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Title: View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed
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View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed The airplanes did not a have true effect on the destruction of towers; they were needed to give an excuse for odd Orwellian wars at the same time when the USA is turned into a police nation, like the German Third Reich, to some extent. The towers took the impacts of crushing Boeing 767's. The towers were originally built to take impacts of Boeing 707's, which are approximately of the same size and was widely used in the 1970's. Fires that kindled from the fuel in the planes were too shortlasting and weak to be able to severely damage the structure of the skyscrapers. Even in the extreme situation, the heat from a kerosene fire cannot threat the durability of a steel trunk. With the temperature of carbohydrate fires that reaches only 825 °C (approx. 1517 °F) steel weakens at 800 °C (approx. 1470 °F) and melts at 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F). In the skyscrapers of the WTC the surroundings were not at all ideal as there were far too many steel columns and they led heat away from the burning area. WTC 1 burned for 102 minutes and WTC 2 for 56 minutes only. A fire burning much longer, from 10 to 20 hours, could slowly increase the burning temperature down to perhaps 1100 °C (approx. 2010 °F). Provided there is more substance to burn, such a fire will damage concrete and irons, but not severely heavy steel constructions. In mid-February in Madrid, the Windsor Tower (see above) burned for over 20 hours, which led to a fire stronger and hotter than that in the WTC, but even the collapses of the Windsor Tower caused by the very strong and long-enduring fire were minimal and limited to the upper floors. If either of the WTC tower had started to collapse because of fires the collapse would have been limited to only a few of the floors and then stopped. The impossibility of a gravitational collapse is closer seen in other documents. A collapse would produce large pieces, and does not explain reports of fine dust from concrete, huge amounts of dust and pieces of steel ejected outwards. Destruction of the towers by explosions is clear according to the photographs and reports of the eye witnesses. In the picture below, a range of cutting charges have just exploded in the down left sector and a typical white cloud is formed outwards from the wall. Down right, explosions are seen as well. Even a flame is seen. In video tapes taken of the so-called collapses of the WTC, more explosions of these cutting charges can be seen. The explosions advance quickly, with a gap of a couple of floors, cutting the strong steel pillars in the outer wall. The explosions are timed so that it appears that the tower collapses occur in the same timing as in a gravitational collapse. The explosions are not completely synchronized in timing, probably a few charges are triggered by radio, and other charges explode out of the impulses of one of these charges (infrared, pressure wave). More challenging problems to the demolition men, however, were the central cores of the buildings and the 47 steel pillars more robust than the ones on the outer rounds. The pillars of the central cores were made of steel even 100 + 100 mm thick, thicker than the side armours of a battle tank. Cutting those, even with explosives, is extremely difficult. One would need to surround the whole pillars, every single pillar on every floor intended to get blasted, with powerful cutting charges. These charges would have needed to be placed in such a way that the users of the skyscrapers could not notice these preparations. As seen in the following pictures, the cores of the towers were not distracted by thousands of powerful cutting charges but by a modern thermonuclear explosive, a small hydrogen bomb. In the picture below, a hydrogen bomb explosion, the bomb having been placed in the cellar and directed to the core, has reached the roof of the tower and the upper parts of the outer walls. On its way up the waves of fire pressure partially penetrated about 100 floors of concrete and steel. Over ten million degrees of heat caused by a hydrogen bomb sublimised all water within the concrete in a moment. Water exploded extremely quickly into 24-fold volume and totally pulverized the concrete. Even people and computers that were in the buildings disappeared turning into heat and light. That is why almost nothing of them was found in the ruins. Burning radiation is absorbed in steel so quickly that steel heats up immediately over its melting point 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F) and above its boiling point around 3000 C (approx. 5430 °F). In the pictures down below, super hot groups of steel pillars and columns, torn from wall by pressure wave, are sublimized. They immediately turn into a vaporized form, binding heat as quickly as possible. Bursts upwards, even visible in the picture below, are not possible for a gravitational collapse or for cutting charges which are used horizontally. In the upper picture the explosion is in theory 100 times stronger than in the picture below, but in practice the difference is only four times due to the capability of direction of the small hydrogen bomb. In the picture at the right, the brown shades caused by a hydrogen bomb are seen, while the top of the tower that is already collapsing is breaking down and the posture straightens up as the hydrogen bomb pulverized the core and it lost all its resistance. The piles point the blasts of the cutting charges. (Gehue plate 12) Extremely hot, sublimating pieces are not created with many methods. For comparison, pictures of subterranean nuclear explosions where the explosion is blasting onto surface and into the air: Ess1.2 Kt WTC 2 Banberry 10 Kt underground Radioactivity in air creates shades of brown. (The subterranean nuke in the picture on the right is 10 times stronger than the small nuke on the left.) This is the reason why the FBI did not search the crime scene. Ground zeros of nuclear weapons are a health risk and belong to the FEMA. Poster Comment: For the rest of this: Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11 Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11 Written in spring 2005, a modestly language-corrected version Corrected by another person than the original author. The photographs attached in this non-profit distribution are for securing volatile, important evidence on 9/11 for discussion and education. Author hereby grants full permission to reproduce the drawing 'The Bombs in the WTC' and his writings. You are encouraged to mail, publish and mass produce these documents or your enhanced versions of them. Due to concerns for his personal safety, the author has chosen to remain anonymous. And a glance at some of what he's fighting for (to keep it fair and balanced): 
Storax Sedan 104 Kt shallow underground
Steel pillars are turned into dust. 
The author has chosen to remain anonymous so I'll post this photo of a Finnish soldier. Why? Well because I like looking at Finns, even with green faces.
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#96. To: RickyJ (#92)
I agree Rick to a point. The dust has traces of a plastic molecule that could be tied to a sol-gel compound. In a airport warehouse is sitting girders and molten slag/meteorites that has been "saved". All that is needed is multiple independent tests on this evidence. The thermate and nano thermite are perfect because of no tags, thermate is quiet, and can cut girders without the extra numerous cracks of high explosives, and is very powerful.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
If they are in the basement how did they survive? if it was a controlled demo designed to make the building collapse on its foot print you would have to have the charges set in the basement! Oops on your part.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
The truth to some people is a religion. The truth shall set you free. You should try it sometime.
God is always good! I was planting trees to the southwest of Mt. Saint Helens when it blew. I saw what enormous amounts of energy are required to create pyroclastic flows such as we saw blasting down the canyons of NY streets after the blasts reduced concrete to sand and mixed it with superheated gases. Those debris laden clouds were not and cannot be explained by gravity alone. The were caused by the use of carefully placed ordinance taking the buildings down/ The shear size of the bloom of material from these explosions as well as the lack of remaining steel core which would have been left standing if the floors had pancaked taking the extra time resisting the effect of the debris falling on them which they didn't do. No, this was a demolition of these buildings, done for political and economic gain, pure and simple. Anyone who thinks gravity alone can melt steel, blast apart the foundation, create pyroclastic flows and atomize thing so profoundly only things like pieces of keyboards were found is either living in la la land, or has a vested interest in trying to keep the truth about 9 11 from coming out.
They also don't understand when implosion charges go off it's a low, dull roar, not "kerpow!" like a firecracker. It's a very distinctive sound; I've heard it several times. And true, anyone in a building being imploded would never get out alive.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
Au contraire, the obviousness of there having had been explosions at and below ground level bodes bad for your fairy tale. There were plenty of rooms and other complex structure allowing some survivors. This firemen who survived the collapse by being in the stair area they were in when the buildings fell prove that.
People in the death zone of Mt. Saint Helens survived as well. That you would resort to such a desperately simplistic and foolish notion that everyone in the entire structure would be killed by the ordinance used is just flat ridiculous.
In your world they would, but not in reality.
God is always good! you don't even know rodriguez' story. Rodriguez heard and felt explosions in the basement a long time before the collapse. then he spent much time helping to get people out of the building. then shortly before the collapse he was up well above ground level and heard/saw evidence of a second explosion. then he got out of the building. then the building collapsed. then he dove under an SUV for cover as debris fell all around. Then he was the last survivor to be dug out. he was un-hurt under the SUV that was completely covered by rubble. There were 15 or so people who were inside one of the buildings at the time of the collapse who did survive due to the fact that between approximately 10'th and 15'th floors a stairwell provided shelter and it did not fall in on them, the debris just fell all around, but did not kill them. one of those survivors was quoted in People magazine as saying she was on the 12'th floor and she saw a big explosion right in front of her. this occurred 10-15 seconds before the collapse began. She went immediately in the stair well after seeing the explosion and survived. another woman was quoted in new york times as saying that a friend of hers inside the building told her via cell phone that he witnessed explosions before the collapse. there is in reality a mountain of evidence of explosions before the collapse. it was even broadcast right on tv - Fox, MSNBC, CNN, etc. their own journalists said they witnessed explosions up & down the building before the collapse. I guess you're still working out your spiel. good luck.
There were other construction workers 3, 4, and 5 sub-basements down, Philip Morelli and others that reported walls blown out, walls exploding and caving in, parking garages blown, machine shops destroyed, 50 ton presses gone. There are "newly discovered" clips of news reporters near the towers before their collapse, that have sharp cracks of explosions on the audio.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
Its a preposterous lie. You and I know Ricky that those temps can barely melt and burn paint.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
no, oops on your part. William Rodriquez's testimony was featured extensively in 911 Mysteries: Demolitions. you didn't watch it.
I did. Assuming he is telling the truth and his times are correct, I have no explanation. I have wondered if at any time anyone posed the question to demolition experts as to how many men, how long it would take and what would be the cost to rig the three buildings for controlled failure. I think an answer would be interesting.
LOL - then they could not have brought the building down if some rooms allowed survivors. For a demolition to bring the building down on its footprints as you say - you need them placed in the basement - and no way is anyone getting out alive- especially the amount of explosive you will need - unlike normal demolitions - no gutting is taking place of the structure - you are overcompensating the explosives - plus how they could get by drilling all those hols to wrap a HUGE amount of explosives around beams/columns without anyone noticing is impossible. You guys are in the comic book world where they slap explosives on the wall and set some wires in it or something. You guys are all over the place - explosives on every floor - explosives in the basement - but survivors in the basement - no knowledge on how much more explosives is needed to compensate for not gutting the building's structural strength before hand. Dudes..enough.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
It is my world - I work for a steel beam maker.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Open space of thousands of acres vs a building - why the comparisons are dead on - OK, Sherlock.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
LOL - then they could not have brought the building down if some rooms allowed survivors. For a demolition to bring the building down on its footprints as you say - you need them placed in the basement - and no way is anyone getting out alive- especially the amount of explosive you will need - unlike normal demolitions - no gutting is taking place of the structure - you are overcompensating the explosives - plus how they could get by drilling all those hols to wrap a HUGE amount of explosives around beams/columns without anyone noticing is impossible. You guys are in the comic book world where they slap explosives on the wall and set some wires in it or something. You guys are all over the place - explosives on every floor - explosives in the basement - but survivors in the basement - no knowledge on how much more explosives is needed to compensate for not gutting the building's structural strength before hand. Dudes..enough.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Cyni. Had the government the interest they could take Rodriquez, and the survivors from the basement explosions to the Manhattan Grand Jury, let them testify, and I'd guarantee an indictment against unknown conspirators. In the case of Larry Silverstein (“Lets pull it”), he’d be indicted.
Demolitions. you didn't watch it. I did. Assuming he is telling the truth and his times are correct, I have no explanation. I have wondered if at any time anyone posed the question to demolition experts as to how many men, how long it would take and what would be the cost to rig the three buildings for controlled failure. I think an answer would be interesting. For a demolition to bring the building down on its footprints as you say - you need them placed in the basement - and no way is anyone getting out alive- especially the amount of explosive you will need - unlike normal demolitions - no gutting is taking place of the structure - you are overcompensating the explosives - plus how they could get by drilling all those hols to wrap a HUGE amount of explosives around beams/columns without anyone noticing is impossible. You guys are in the comic book world where they slap explosives on the wall and set some wires in it or something. You guys are all over the place - explosives on every floor - explosives in the basement - but survivors in the basement - no knowledge on how much more explosives is needed to compensate for not gutting the building's structural strength before hand.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Who said this?
you just don't know the subject matter. Your efforts at thinking are undisciplined. you can't even discuss this stuff rationally. but you can believe whatever you're told on tv. We told you the guy rodriguez was in the basement LONG BEFORE the collapse and saw/heard evidence of explosions in the basement at that time. Then later he got out of the building and survived. the people inside the building who survived were in the 10'th-15'th floor range of 1 of the buildings and all in a stairwell that was mostly unharmed on those floors. this is well documented, I saw a special on PBS about it, and you deny it. there are a ton of people who witnessed the explosions. But in the basement there were chemical based devices set off to melt major columns at the very lowest level in the 10 seconds before the collapses began in both buildings. We know this because Syracuse University recorded earthquakes occurring at the locations of these buildings and in the 10 seconds before the collapses of both tall buildings. These earthquakes were 2-2.5 on Richter scale. That could only have been caused by the large steel columns bolted to bedrock being melted by very violent chemical action. then later pools of melted steel were found at the bottom of the rubble. so demolitions were placed in the basement. and Syracuse University people gave absolute evidence of this when they spoke about the earthquakes they recorded. Something tells me Destro(y) is a complete idiot who will say the earthquakes were caused by the collapses of the buildings. First, the earthquakes occurred in the 10 seconds BEFORE the collapses began. Second, the collapses of large buildings are known to only cause readings of less than 0.1 on richter scale. these readings were 2.0 - 2.5 on richter scale which are over 100 times larger than a 0.1. the theory that these earthquakes were caused by building collapse is just foolish.
yes it would be interesting. we know from reports that in the several days before this sept 11 events occurred there were unusual occurrences inside the building. The night before the lights on both buildings were completely off, first time in the 30 years that the buildings had been completed from construction. and there were reports of a large number of workmen brought into the building in the nights before these events. the normal security and the normal maintenance people were changed up and unusual occurrences happened.
WTC& fell because a huge gash from falling debris destroyed its integrity from the 18th floor all t he way down the building was cut open - in addition the mayor had placed his command bunker at the top floor - crazy - but the basement was filed with a I think 16K Gallon diesel fuel tank designed already cited as a safety hazard - because fuel and fumes could spread throughout the building via the elevator shaft. That combination was what brought down the building. They was no need to knock it down hours later for the insurance money as you intimate. The building was already at a total loss. Its a shock to me that you guys reduce the complexities of 9/11 to a real estate insurance scam - complete with making Silverstein into some sort of commando team leader handing out covert ops instructions like Dr. Evil. By the way was the 'pull it' comment intercepted by some Ham radio operator? No, He said it in a PBS interview as he reflected on the day's events - but you twist that to make it seem you found out his secret radio transmissions or something.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Guys??? Firstly, Christine aint no guy, I am. Secondly your reading comprehension has slipped. I asked a logical question...Did anyone ever ask a demolition expert his opinion.
Who said this? You did at # 78: I can't square the testimony of William Rodriquez, and others, who were in the basement of the N. tower? when they heard - and felt - explosions. and Red Jones @ # 104: you don't even know rodriguez' story. Rodriguez heard and felt explosions in the basement a long time before the collapse
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
One more time - For a demolition to bring the building down on its footprints as you say - you need them placed in the basement and he would not have been alive to witness them in the basement.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I asked a logical question...Did anyone ever ask a demolition expert his opinion. Yea - and they were called CIA agents by the other side.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Good for you, but that has nothing to do with your world vs. reality. Gravity throwing objects "downward" and steel losing half its strength by 400 to 500 F temperatures are facts in your world but not in reality. Your world is a comic book world. The world I and others who believe that the towers were brought down with explosives is rooted in reality, not fantasy as your views are.
God is always good! I asked a logical question...Did anyone ever ask a demolition expert his opinion. I posted this link and all he usual suspects called the link a CIA web site, such is their delusion. http://www.implosionworld.com/wtc.h tm THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSE Questions & Answers WHY DID THEY COLLAPSE? Each 110-story tower contained a central steel core surrounded by open office space, with 18-inch steel tubes running vertically along the outside of the building. These structural elements provided the support for the building, and most experts agree that the planes impacting the buildings alone would not have caused them to collapse. The intense heat from the burning jet fuel, however, gradually softened the steel core and redistributed the weight to the outer tubes, which were slowly deformed by the added weight and the heat of the fire. Eventually, the integrity of these tubes was compromised to the point where they buckled under the weight of the higher floors, causing a gravitational chain reaction that continued until all of the floors were at ground level. DID THE TERRORISTS PLANT ANY BOMBS IN THE BUILDINGS IN ADVANCE TO GUARANTEE THEIR DEMISE? To our knowledge there is no evidence whatsoever to support this assertion. Analysis of video and photographs of both towers clearly shows that the initial structural failure occurred at or near the points where the planes impacted the buildings. Furthermore, there is no visible or audible indication that explosives or any other supplemental catalyst was used in the attack. READ IMPLOSIONWORLD'S PAPER ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSE'S
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Nice post Robin. Thank you for keeping it balanced ;-)
#97. To: christine, Jethro Tull, yertleturtle, Cynicom (#95)
can't square the testimony of William Rodriquez, and others, who were in the basement of the N. tower? when they heard - and felt - explosions.
#98. To: Destro (#64)
Can I ask why you think this subgroup has latched on to this complex conspiracy like a religion?
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#99. To: Destro (#91)
"Ooo, you got me mistyping - the force of gravity throws the building debris off course causing the banana peel effect."
#100. To: Destro (#97)
If they are in the basement how did they survive? if it was a controlled demo designed to make the building collapse on its foot print you would have to have the charges set in the basement!
#101. To: Destro (#97)
"Oops on your part."
#102. To: Destro (#97)
#103. To: Destro (#68)
It would not matter - just 400-500 degrees F would reduce the strength of steel by half.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#104. To: Destro (#97)
If they are in the basement how did they survive?
#105. To: christine (#95)
#106. To: RickyJ (#103)
#107. To: Destro (#97)
If they are in the basement how did they survive?
#108. To: christine (#107)
Demolitions. you didn't watch it.
#109. To: Ferret Mike, YertleTurtle (#101)
There were plenty of rooms and other complex structure allowing some survivors
#110. To: RickyJ (#103)
In your world they would, but not in reality.
#111. To: Ferret Mike, yertleturtle (#102)
People in the death zone of Mt. Saint Helens survived as well.
#112. To: Red Jones (#104)
you don't even know rodriguez' story. Rodriguez heard and felt explosions in the basement a long time before the collapse. then he spent much time helping to get people out of the building.
#113. To: Cynicom (#108)
Assuming he is telling the truth and his times are correct, I have no explanation.
#114. To: Cynicom, christine (#108)
#115. To: Destro (#112)
but survivors in the basement
#116. To: Destro (#109)
For a demolition to bring the building down on its footprints as you say - you need them placed in the basement
#117. To: Cynicom (#108)
how many men, how long it would take and what would be the cost to rig the three buildings for controlled failure. I think an answer would be interesting.
#118. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom, yertleturtle (#113)
Cyni. Had the government the interest they could take Rodriquez, and the survivors from the basement explosions to the Manhattan Grand Jury, let them testify, and I'd guarantee an indictment against unknown conspirators. In the case of Larry Silverstein (“Lets pull it”), he’d be indicted.
#119. To: Destro (#114)
You guys are in the comic book world where they slap explosives on the wall and set some wires in it or something.
#120. To: Jethro Tull (#115)
but survivors in the basement
#121. To: Red Jones (#116)
We told you the guy rodriguez was in the basement LONG BEFORE the collapse and saw/heard evidence of explosions in the basement at that time. Then later he got out of the building and survived.
#122. To: Cynicom (#119)
Firstly, Christine aint no guy, I am. Secondly your reading comprehension has slipped.
#123. To: Destro (#110)
It is my world - I work for a steel beam maker.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#124. To: Cynicom, yertleturtle (#119)
(Edited)
Firstly, Christine aint no guy, I am. Secondly your reading comprehension has slipped.
#125. To: robin (#0)
(Edited)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
#126. To: RickyJ (#123)
Read # 124.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#127. To: IndieTX (#125)
Beautiful girl, but you just screwed up the whole thread. Could you please edit it and resize it with the width and height attributes of the IMG tag to fit most people's screen resolution? 800X600 should be OK.
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#128. To: Destro (#120)
Are you confusing explosions prior to the plane strike and the subsequent collapse? People - Rodriquez and others - survived the basement explosions. They could be featured on Larry King or Oprah this week if the MSM had the interest. Nobody here claims people survived in the basement after the collapse.
#129. To: Destro (#126)
Why is #124 the comic book source for your world?
Read # 124.
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#130. To: ALL, robin (#124) (Edited)
Even if the premise were true, this would have required perfectly even heat distribution in all 3 buildings. As I've posted before, with different damage and phyical variables in all 3 buildings, this explanation is impossible for a straight down collapse accompanied by "vaporization" to dust of the buildings. IOW, physically impossible, especially without the core being taken out. Multiply by 3 buildings with exactly the same collapse profiles and the absurdity of the government explanation is even more obvious. It sure "sounds" good though to the sheople who have an average intelligence level less than most high school kids.
he intense heat from the burning jet fuel, however, gradually softened the steel core and redistributed the weight to the outer tubes, which were slowly deformed by the added weight and the heat of the fire
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#131. To: RickyJ (#127) (Edited)
I resized it to 500x700..is it better now??
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#132. To: RickyJ, yertleturtle (#123)
http://www.concretethinking.org/main.asp?page=827 The ability of structural steel to withstand major fires is under scrutiny. The latest findings of the US-based National Institute of Standards and Technology into the collapse of the World Trade Center couple with the recent collapse in fire of the perimeter steel columns of the Madrid Windsor Torre building question the performance of structural steel in fires in high rise buildings. And it is not just in high rise buildings. The avocation by the UK Chief Fire Officers' Association of a boycott of fire fighters entering burning steel framed superstores and warehouses is also raising questions about the use of steel for low rise buildings reports Anna Scothern, Head of Performance at The Concrete Centre. http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/nc/ne/?id=101283 Madrid: A fire of an unknown source has affected one of Madrid's most famous skyscraper. The fire began at the 21st floor at about 22.30 GMT Saturday 12th of February and rapedly extended along the building. Torre Windsor had been under renovation works for the past year and fortunately the building remained empty. Part of the facade has collapsed and firefighters had to abandoned the building due to the risk of collpasing of the structure.
and steel losing half its strength by 400 to 500 F temperatures are facts in your world but not in reality.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#133. To: IndieTX, yertleturtle (#130)
Let me see your calculations. What engineering program does your PC run that you used to crunch the numbers?
As I've posted before, with different damage and phyical variables in all 3 buildings, this explanation is impossible for a straight down collapse accompanied by "vaporization" to dust of the buildings
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#134. To: IndieTX (#131)
Yeah it's good. Thanks.
I resized it to 500x700..is it better now??
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#135. To: Destro, rickyj, robin, all (#133) (Edited)
It's called Statistics. You don't need engineering for Statistics to make the entire premise mathematically impossible for 3 different damage patterns in 3 different buildings with 3 different sets of temperature/damage variables to collapse in the SAME way. The laws of Probability have been broken wide open if so. LOL
What engineering program does your PC run that you used to crunch the numbers?
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#136. To: Destro (#132) (Edited)
Are you trying to make a fool of yourself on purpose, or are you really a 9/11 truther just trying to get people to see the truth from the asinine position the government takes on the destruction of the twin towers? Either way you are indeed helping the cause of spreading the truth of the towers being brought down by our government with explosives if you know it or not. :)
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
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