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Title: View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed
Source: www.serendipity
URL Source: http://www.serendipity.li/wot/finn/5/soldier5.htm
Published: Oct 22, 2006
Author: anonymous Finn
Post Date: 2006-10-22 12:30:26 by robin
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View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed

The airplanes did not a have true effect on the destruction of towers; they were needed to give an excuse for odd Orwellian wars at the same time when the USA is turned into a police nation, like the German Third Reich, to some extent. The towers took the impacts of crushing Boeing 767's. The towers were originally built to take impacts of Boeing 707's, which are approximately of the same size and was widely used in the 1970's.

Fires that kindled from the fuel in the planes were too shortlasting and weak to be able to severely damage the structure of the skyscrapers. Even in the extreme situation, the heat from a kerosene fire cannot threat the durability of a steel trunk. With the temperature of carbohydrate fires that reaches only 825 °C (approx. 1517 °F) steel weakens at 800 °C (approx. 1470 °F) and melts at 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F). In the skyscrapers of the WTC the surroundings were not at all ideal as there were far too many steel columns and they led heat away from the burning area. WTC 1 burned for 102 minutes and WTC 2 for 56 minutes only. A fire burning much longer, from 10 to 20 hours, could slowly increase the burning temperature down to perhaps 1100 °C (approx. 2010 °F). Provided there is more substance to burn, such a fire will damage concrete and irons, but not severely heavy steel constructions.

In mid-February in Madrid, the Windsor Tower (see above) burned for over 20 hours, which led to a fire stronger and hotter than that in the WTC, but even the collapses of the Windsor Tower caused by the very strong and long-enduring fire were minimal and limited to the upper floors. If either of the WTC tower had started to collapse because of fires the collapse would have been limited to only a few of the floors and then stopped.

The impossibility of a gravitational collapse is closer seen in other documents. A collapse would produce large pieces, and does not explain reports of fine dust from concrete, huge amounts of dust and pieces of steel ejected outwards.

Destruction of the towers by explosions is clear according to the photographs and reports of the eye witnesses. In the picture below, a range of cutting charges have just exploded in the down left sector and a typical white cloud is formed outwards from the wall. Down right, explosions are seen as well. Even a flame is seen.

In video tapes taken of the so-called collapses of the WTC, more explosions of these cutting charges can be seen. The explosions advance quickly, with a gap of a couple of floors, cutting the strong steel pillars in the outer wall. The explosions are timed so that it appears that the tower collapses occur in the same timing as in a gravitational collapse. The explosions are not completely synchronized in timing, probably a few charges are triggered by radio, and other charges explode out of the impulses of one of these charges (infrared, pressure wave).

More challenging problems to the demolition men, however, were the central cores of the buildings and the 47 steel pillars more robust than the ones on the outer rounds. The pillars of the central cores were made of steel even 100 + 100 mm thick, thicker than the side armours of a battle tank. Cutting those, even with explosives, is extremely difficult. One would need to surround the whole pillars, every single pillar on every floor intended to get blasted, with powerful cutting charges. These charges would have needed to be placed in such a way that the users of the skyscrapers could not notice these preparations.

As seen in the following pictures, the cores of the towers were not distracted by thousands of powerful cutting charges but by a modern thermonuclear explosive, a small hydrogen bomb. In the picture below, a hydrogen bomb explosion, the bomb having been placed in the cellar and directed to the core, has reached the roof of the tower and the upper parts of the outer walls. On its way up the waves of fire pressure partially penetrated about 100 floors of concrete and steel. Over ten million degrees of heat caused by a hydrogen bomb sublimised all water within the concrete in a moment. Water exploded extremely quickly into 24-fold volume and totally pulverized the concrete. Even people and computers that were in the buildings disappeared turning into heat and light. That is why almost nothing of them was found in the ruins.

Burning radiation is absorbed in steel so quickly that steel heats up immediately over its melting point 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F) and above its boiling point around 3000 C (approx. 5430 °F). In the pictures down below, super hot groups of steel pillars and columns, torn from wall by pressure wave, are sublimized. They immediately turn into a vaporized form, binding heat as quickly as possible. Bursts upwards, even visible in the picture below, are not possible for a gravitational collapse or for cutting charges which are used horizontally.


Storax Sedan 104 Kt shallow underground

In the upper picture the explosion is in theory 100 times stronger than in the picture below, but in practice the difference is only four times due to the capability of direction of the small hydrogen bomb.

In the picture at the right, the brown shades caused by a hydrogen bomb are seen, while the top of the tower that is already collapsing is breaking down and the posture straightens up as the hydrogen bomb pulverized the core and it lost all its resistance. The piles point the blasts of the cutting charges. (Gehue plate 12)

Steel pillars are turned into dust.

Extremely hot, sublimating pieces are not created with many methods.

For comparison, pictures of subterranean nuclear explosions where the explosion is blasting onto surface and into the air:

Ess1.2 Kt

WTC 2

Banberry 10 Kt underground

Radioactivity in air creates shades of brown. (The subterranean nuke in the picture on the right is 10 times stronger than the small nuke on the left.) This is the reason why the FBI did not search the crime scene. Ground zeros of nuclear weapons are a health risk and belong to the FEMA.


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For the rest of this: Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11

Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11

Written in spring 2005, a modestly language-corrected version Corrected by another person than the original author.

The photographs attached in this non-profit distribution are for securing volatile, important evidence on 9/11 for discussion and education. Author hereby grants full permission to reproduce the drawing 'The Bombs in the WTC' and his writings. You are encouraged to mail, publish and mass produce these documents or your enhanced versions of them. Due to concerns for his personal safety, the author has chosen to remain anonymous.


The author has chosen to remain anonymous so I'll post this photo of a Finnish soldier. Why? Well because I like looking at Finns, even with green faces.

And a glance at some of what he's fighting for (to keep it fair and balanced):

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#1. To: robin (#0)

View of a Military Expert:

Uhhhhhhhhhh...

Cynicom  posted on  2006-10-22   12:35:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1) (Edited)

Hey, he might be. What do you find wrong with his conclusions? BTW, there are other links I listed above the silly photos.

robin  posted on  2006-10-22   12:37:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#2)

What do you find wrong with his conclusions?

Uhhhhhhhhh.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-10-22   12:40:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

Do you really believe the official govt story about how the towers "pancaked" and fell?

robin  posted on  2006-10-22   12:43:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: robin, Cynicom (#4)

Do you really believe the official govt story about how the towers "pancaked" and fell?

Is that not what the second picture from the top looks like?

You say - explosives did that? How did the wires and detonation initiating devices survive the fire to allow them to be set off? And if they did plant explosives they were damn good in placing the explosive charges just where the plane hit to make it seem the plane did it..

Occam's Razor tares that argument a new ream hole.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-22   13:07:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Destro (#8)

you wouldn't be asking those questions, Destro, if you really watched 911 Mysteries: Demolitions. oh, but that's right, you explained it all here:

"they failed because they were softened by the fire. Steel turns to wet noodles in fire"

christine  posted on  2006-10-22   13:44:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine (#16)

you wouldn't be asking those questions, Destro, if you really watched 911 Mysteries: Demolitions. oh, but that's right, you explained it all here:

Who says I have not?

How do you know the CIA did not back the creation of such video exposes to throw people off track and off balance? to taint the truth movement?

Like using UFOs as a way to hide and explain experimental secret airplane testing and so on.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-22   13:57:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Destro (#22) (Edited)

How do you know the CIA did not back the creation of such video exposes to throw people off track and off balance? to taint the truth movement?

They very well could have. There are some glaring errors of fact in that video even though for the most part it is very good. I could see the CIA or Mossad doing something like this. Mixing the truth with just enough absurd lies to discredit the whole thing. But you have to ask yourself why would they want to discredit the notion that the WTC towers were brought down with explosives? For what reason would they possibly do this? I can think of only one logical reason: they want to discredit the notion that the WTC towers were brought down with explosives because that is exactly what happened.

RickyJ  posted on  2006-10-22   18:58:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: RickyJ (#88)

But you have to ask yourself why would they want to discredit the notion that the WTC towers were brought down with explosives?

You don't get it - the theory of demolition charges is a honey trap - so delicious a scenario people will waste their time and resources trying to prove that and ignore any real conspiracy.

Sort of how they used UFO's as a cover story to explain away secret X planes. People spent decades looking for little green men and ignored the black budget that finances the development of all these toys our military plays with.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-22   19:26:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Destro (#94)

The demolition of the towers and wtc7 is no honey trap...it's a fact. That's why you're so heavily invested in steering the discussion elsewhere.

angle  posted on  2006-10-22   22:09:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: angle (#146)

The Towers were not "demo'ed" - all such discussion serves to deflect attention the American regimes implication in 9/11 and serves as a 'honey trap' to deflect resources from legit inquiries and discredit any notion of a conspiracy (and there is one). Where did these websites get their financing for their investigations? Pay for their webpages?

Destro  posted on  2006-10-22   22:39:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: Destro (#152)

Where did these websites get their financing for their investigations? Pay for their webpages?

Disinformation is part art and part science. The CIA has been perfecting it for years. I have no doubt many 9/11 sites are meant to keep people away from the real truth and discredit it among others. You have to have the intelligence to see through the crap and do your own independent investigations based on the only hard evidence that has survived since 9/11, the videos of the buildings collapsing. No amount of disinformation in the world will be able to cover up the fact they were brought down on cue by our government with explosives as long as those many original eyewitness pictures and videos remain available to the masses. Some day this will be common knowledge and people like you will either be known as idiots, or agents of the evil regime that carried out this atrocity upon the citizens of the USA.

RickyJ  posted on  2006-10-22   23:48:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#166. To: RickyJ (#165)

No amount of disinformation in the world will be able to cover up the fact they were brought down on cue by our government

You actually think stuff like that happens on cue? Like some Rube Golberg device? The world does not work that way.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-23 01:40:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: RickyJ (#165)

Some day this will be common knowledge and people like you will either be known as idiots, or agents of the evil regime that carried out this atrocity upon the citizens of the USA.

You know what we will think? Why are the American people - well you poseurs that think the demolitions were planted in any case - not rising up in arms?

Ambushing soldiers? Police? Targeting political officials and govt employees?

In Hungry the people are rioting in the streets over the govt fudging the economic data and you saps sit around saying the govt dynamited buildings down.

I don't know about you but if I accepted the govt was dynamiting buildings I wold arm myself get some guys and start killing the enemy. The fact that you types have not risen up in arms to end this evil to me indicates that this is an intellectual fantasy on your parts - a way to give form to your fears of Big Brother. The Black Helicopter - FEMA is the shadow govt - UN troops are hiding in American bases ready to take over the USA for the UN crowd from the 90s who found a new expression for their frights after 9/11.

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