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Title: View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed
Source: www.serendipity
URL Source: http://www.serendipity.li/wot/finn/5/soldier5.htm
Published: Oct 22, 2006
Author: anonymous Finn
Post Date: 2006-10-22 12:30:26 by robin
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View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed

The airplanes did not a have true effect on the destruction of towers; they were needed to give an excuse for odd Orwellian wars at the same time when the USA is turned into a police nation, like the German Third Reich, to some extent. The towers took the impacts of crushing Boeing 767's. The towers were originally built to take impacts of Boeing 707's, which are approximately of the same size and was widely used in the 1970's.

Fires that kindled from the fuel in the planes were too shortlasting and weak to be able to severely damage the structure of the skyscrapers. Even in the extreme situation, the heat from a kerosene fire cannot threat the durability of a steel trunk. With the temperature of carbohydrate fires that reaches only 825 °C (approx. 1517 °F) steel weakens at 800 °C (approx. 1470 °F) and melts at 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F). In the skyscrapers of the WTC the surroundings were not at all ideal as there were far too many steel columns and they led heat away from the burning area. WTC 1 burned for 102 minutes and WTC 2 for 56 minutes only. A fire burning much longer, from 10 to 20 hours, could slowly increase the burning temperature down to perhaps 1100 °C (approx. 2010 °F). Provided there is more substance to burn, such a fire will damage concrete and irons, but not severely heavy steel constructions.

In mid-February in Madrid, the Windsor Tower (see above) burned for over 20 hours, which led to a fire stronger and hotter than that in the WTC, but even the collapses of the Windsor Tower caused by the very strong and long-enduring fire were minimal and limited to the upper floors. If either of the WTC tower had started to collapse because of fires the collapse would have been limited to only a few of the floors and then stopped.

The impossibility of a gravitational collapse is closer seen in other documents. A collapse would produce large pieces, and does not explain reports of fine dust from concrete, huge amounts of dust and pieces of steel ejected outwards.

Destruction of the towers by explosions is clear according to the photographs and reports of the eye witnesses. In the picture below, a range of cutting charges have just exploded in the down left sector and a typical white cloud is formed outwards from the wall. Down right, explosions are seen as well. Even a flame is seen.

In video tapes taken of the so-called collapses of the WTC, more explosions of these cutting charges can be seen. The explosions advance quickly, with a gap of a couple of floors, cutting the strong steel pillars in the outer wall. The explosions are timed so that it appears that the tower collapses occur in the same timing as in a gravitational collapse. The explosions are not completely synchronized in timing, probably a few charges are triggered by radio, and other charges explode out of the impulses of one of these charges (infrared, pressure wave).

More challenging problems to the demolition men, however, were the central cores of the buildings and the 47 steel pillars more robust than the ones on the outer rounds. The pillars of the central cores were made of steel even 100 + 100 mm thick, thicker than the side armours of a battle tank. Cutting those, even with explosives, is extremely difficult. One would need to surround the whole pillars, every single pillar on every floor intended to get blasted, with powerful cutting charges. These charges would have needed to be placed in such a way that the users of the skyscrapers could not notice these preparations.

As seen in the following pictures, the cores of the towers were not distracted by thousands of powerful cutting charges but by a modern thermonuclear explosive, a small hydrogen bomb. In the picture below, a hydrogen bomb explosion, the bomb having been placed in the cellar and directed to the core, has reached the roof of the tower and the upper parts of the outer walls. On its way up the waves of fire pressure partially penetrated about 100 floors of concrete and steel. Over ten million degrees of heat caused by a hydrogen bomb sublimised all water within the concrete in a moment. Water exploded extremely quickly into 24-fold volume and totally pulverized the concrete. Even people and computers that were in the buildings disappeared turning into heat and light. That is why almost nothing of them was found in the ruins.

Burning radiation is absorbed in steel so quickly that steel heats up immediately over its melting point 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F) and above its boiling point around 3000 C (approx. 5430 °F). In the pictures down below, super hot groups of steel pillars and columns, torn from wall by pressure wave, are sublimized. They immediately turn into a vaporized form, binding heat as quickly as possible. Bursts upwards, even visible in the picture below, are not possible for a gravitational collapse or for cutting charges which are used horizontally.


Storax Sedan 104 Kt shallow underground

In the upper picture the explosion is in theory 100 times stronger than in the picture below, but in practice the difference is only four times due to the capability of direction of the small hydrogen bomb.

In the picture at the right, the brown shades caused by a hydrogen bomb are seen, while the top of the tower that is already collapsing is breaking down and the posture straightens up as the hydrogen bomb pulverized the core and it lost all its resistance. The piles point the blasts of the cutting charges. (Gehue plate 12)

Steel pillars are turned into dust.

Extremely hot, sublimating pieces are not created with many methods.

For comparison, pictures of subterranean nuclear explosions where the explosion is blasting onto surface and into the air:

Ess1.2 Kt

WTC 2

Banberry 10 Kt underground

Radioactivity in air creates shades of brown. (The subterranean nuke in the picture on the right is 10 times stronger than the small nuke on the left.) This is the reason why the FBI did not search the crime scene. Ground zeros of nuclear weapons are a health risk and belong to the FEMA.


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For the rest of this: Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11

Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11

Written in spring 2005, a modestly language-corrected version Corrected by another person than the original author.

The photographs attached in this non-profit distribution are for securing volatile, important evidence on 9/11 for discussion and education. Author hereby grants full permission to reproduce the drawing 'The Bombs in the WTC' and his writings. You are encouraged to mail, publish and mass produce these documents or your enhanced versions of them. Due to concerns for his personal safety, the author has chosen to remain anonymous.


The author has chosen to remain anonymous so I'll post this photo of a Finnish soldier. Why? Well because I like looking at Finns, even with green faces.

And a glance at some of what he's fighting for (to keep it fair and balanced):

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#224. To: Destro, christine (#219)

Do you think they fire proof steel beams for show?

It's fire proofed because even small fires can compromise the integrity of the heat treating and the structure would have to be razed because it's not possible to replace or even shore up main beams in most locations.

So, one critical member that is ten pounds below the rated tensile strength could result in the demolition of a multi million dollar structure simply because the beam although still safe, no longer exceeds the minimum rating standards for structural steel.

Fire Proofing is to protect insurance company stock holders, not occupants of steel framed structures.

If there is a fire and the fire proofing is still intact, it tells the inspectors that NDT is not necessary and the building can be renovated.

Although steel can burn (fast oxidation as opposed to slow-rust) it requires blast furnace temperatures, and structural fires rarely approach the required heat or burn time for that.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-23   13:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: HOUNDDAWG (#224)

Fire Proofing is to protect insurance company stock holders, not occupants of steel framed structures.

Do you make stuff up by pulling them out of your arse because you don't want to be one upped without a comeback?

The planes slamming into the building scrapped the sprayed on fireproofing off the beams or the building would have stood up. That plus the unique design of using the outer skin as a load bearing wall also helped wealen the structure - if the WTC had been built in the classic design of internal steel girders then the building may have stood up at least below the impact zone.

http://www.nwcb.org/fire.php

The spray-on fireproofing to the steel structure (beams, columns and decking) prevented the collapse of this Los Angeles high-rise in 1988. A sprinkler system had recently been installed but was not yet activated. The spray-on fireproofing saved lives and property. The First Interstate Bank Building was back in use a few months after the incident.

http://www.concretethinking.org/main.asp?page=827

The ability of structural steel to withstand major fires is under scrutiny. The latest findings of the US-based National Institute of Standards and Technology into the collapse of the World Trade Center couple with the recent collapse in fire of the perimeter steel columns of the Madrid Windsor Torre building question the performance of structural steel in fires in high rise buildings. And it is not just in high rise buildings. The avocation by the UK Chief Fire Officers' Association of a boycott of fire fighters entering burning steel framed superstores and warehouses is also raising questions about the use of steel for low rise buildings reports Anna Scothern, Head of Performance at The Concrete Centre.

http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/nc/ne/?id=101283

Madrid: A fire of an unknown source has affected one of Madrid's most famous skyscraper. The fire began at the 21st floor at about 22.30 GMT Saturday 12th of February and rapedly extended along the building. Torre Windsor had been under renovation works for the past year and fortunately the building remained empty.

Part of the facade has collapsed and firefighters had to abandoned the building due to the risk of collpasing of the structure.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-23   15:08:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: Destro (#225)

"Do you make stuff up by pulling them out of your arse because you don't want to be one upped without a comeback?"

You sure are a smat ass. Actually my little baby blue eyed bouncing baby of a magic fall down building bot, we were wondering much the same thing about you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-23   15:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#227. To: Destro (#225)

http://www.concretethinking.org/main.asp?page=827

Your above re-posted citation is moot. It is about posturing AFTER the false flag operations and as cover to prop up the extremely weak official story. Naturally people are going to investigate or call for agencies to investigate the steel to try to fudge over the obvious fact that there was not enough fire damage or heat to bring those buildings down that way especially that quickly.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-23   15:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#228. To: RickyJ, Robin, Christine, Angle, Ferret Mike, Red Jones, SCOTTISH MOLE ALERT!!!!! (#196)

He is a Scottish mole.

http://www.libertyforum.org/showprofile.php? Cat=&User=Destro&Board=consp_911&what=wwwthread s&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21

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Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

"At temperatures above 800º C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7."— Esso-Freedom4um - 10/23/2006

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-23   15:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#229. To: Kamala (#228)

Name James McCullen Destro XXIV

Title agent provocateur

Total Posts 4663

Thanks laddie,

We'll add him to the Scottish Hall of Shame.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-23   15:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: Kamala (#228)

Well, Palo ain't here to do this, so here is some Scot's broom flowers to congratulate you on some kick as ferreting out of a scoundrel. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-23   15:38:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#231. To: Ferret Mike (#230)

That bouquet is too tasteful for a palo bouquet.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-23   15:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: robin (#231)

"That bouquet is too tasteful for a palo bouquet."

Maybe so my dear, but Scot's Broom is an invasive horror story that crowds out native plants destroying the integrity of an ecosystem.

We have a terrible time trying to control it here in Oregon. Actually I think the plant fits the planted operator well. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-23   15:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#233. To: Kamala, Destro (#228)

Care to comment about your bio my little self described agent provocateur? We know you are out there. Come in and amuse us by trying vainly to convince us you are not shitting a brick over that posting about you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-23   15:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: Ferret Mike (#226)

You sure are a smat ass. Actually my little baby blue eyed bouncing baby of a magic fall down building bot, we were wondering much the same thing about you.

You may not agree with my sources but I post a source - you make stuff up - like fireproofing is only done for BS insurance purpuses.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-23   16:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: Ferret Mike (#227)

Your above re-posted citation is moot. It is about posturing AFTER the false flag operations and as cover to prop up the extremely weak official story.

You woul dthink people in the industry would be wise to this rather than repeating it.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-23   16:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: Destro (#225)

What do cases of raging fires in high rises around the world have to do with the smokey little camp fires that burned briefly in NY?

Hell, the buildings were down in an hour, and there no raging infernos according to the firefighter who calmly radioed that they could knock it down with two lines. (Actually one but he didn't want to be a hotdog)

You are getting so frantic that you're projecting raging infernos from other parts of the world to the WTC, and putting up a smoke screen of bad language to boot.

That ain't what happened.

And, there will be no costly changes to the building codes. They know it's bullshit and so do you. And, too many Jewish landlords that are presently envious would start to squeal if they had to pay to maintain the lie!

Even if there was no fireproofing, the heat sink effect of interconnected steel would never allow any of the skeleton to reach critical failure temperatures. The building would have been condemned, but that would have still left Silverstein with a cost prohibitive demolition. The estimated cost of the scaffolding alone was over two billion dollars!

Instead of relying on frightened govt licensed "experts" (who saw what happened to the first who spoke the truth) you need to ask mathematicians to calculate the odds. It's no accident that not one has calculated the odds of three steel framed high rises owned by the same man collapsing the same day, and each into their own footprints!

HAH! Can you say "Mathematically impossible"? And, then ask for the calculations on mysterious players betting that the airlines stocks would also freefall! And, since it's virtually impossible to buy untraceable stocks, why is it that those mystery "speculators" are yet to be identified?

And, here is the simplest way to prove that you're shilling for the murdering bastards. Why don't you explain what FEMA could not and tell us why WTC 7 collapsed into it's own footprint? You dare not admit that you don't know, even though FEMA apparently doesn't. And that will be ample proof of your desperation to safely dismiss you as the govt/Zionist tool that you are.

And NORAD does 100 intercepts a year without a miss, but that day they missed four, including a penetration into the most protected airspace in the world! What are the odds?

Save your frantic, frightened obscene fairie tales for the kiddies. In fact, they'll know that you're either lying or demented or both soon enough.

And then you won't be here to hurl insults anymore.

I know what you're going to say. "Shit, fuck, cunt, piss, doo doo caca wee wee BJ", right?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-23   16:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#237. To: robin, Destro (#231)

I think Bistro Destro, the maestro of the government's 1st symphony of the dancing false flags crawled up his asshole and is trying to look as small as possible as he hides.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-23   16:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: Destro (#234) (Edited)

You may not agree with my sources but I post a source - you make stuff up - like fireproofing is only done for BS insurance purposes.

That post referenced your derogatory comment. Anyone doing a trace sees that, so cut the shit. That was not what I spoke of in that post.

Someone else talked about fire proofing and insurance, I sure didn't.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-23   16:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: Ferret Mike, RickyJ, Robin, Christine, Angle, Red Jones, SCOTTISH MOLE ALERT!!!!! (#233) (Edited)

Care to comment about your bio my little self described agent provocateur?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-23   16:07:40 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#240. To: Ferret Mike (#237)

DES-in-TRO-mation!!!!!!!!!

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

"At temperatures above 800º C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7."— Esso-Freedom4um - 10/23/2006

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-23   16:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: Ferret Mike (#233)

Care to comment about your bio my little self described agent provocateur? We know you are out there. Come in and amuse us by trying vainly to convince us you are not shitting a brick over that posting about you.

Jesus, I thought he was a grownup!

LMAO!

Ok, I get it now.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-23   16:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#242. To: HOUNDDAWG (#236)

And, there will be no costly changes to the building codes. They know it's bullshit and so do you. And, too many Jewish landlords that are presently envious would start to squeal if they had to pay to maintain the lie!

That right there is a red flag. If there was a real threat of fires collapsing skyscrapers the codes would have been passed.

All the "engineers" know deep down, fire didn't bring down the towers.

It would cost trillions of dollars to upgrade all the highrises in the U.S.

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

"At temperatures above 800º C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7."— Esso-Freedom4um - 10/23/2006

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-23   16:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: HOUNDDAWG, COMIC BOOK MOLE ALERT!!!!! (#241)

COMIC BOOK MOLE ALERT!!!!!

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

"At temperatures above 800º C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7."— Esso-Freedom4um - 10/23/2006

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-23   16:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#244. To: Ferret Mike (#232)

You're right! A Kiwi told me a similar story.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-23   16:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: Destro (#239) (Edited)

Wow, nice bio, and here I thought all this time you were Destro/Godwinson/Pericles and Spar formerly of the Free Republic.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-23   16:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: Kamala (#242)

That right there is a red flag. If there was a real threat of fires collapsing skyscrapers the codes would have been passed.

All the "engineers" know deep down, fire didn't bring down the towers.

It would cost trillions of dollars to upgrade all the highrises in the U.S.

You got it!

And, how many changes to the fire code have been passed so far?

Better yet, who is even investigating it?

HEADLINES YOU'LL NEVER SEE:

*CONGRESS AUTHORIZES A BILLION TO REWRITE NFPA CODE!*

I've installed massive transformers in buildings, and I know that if one of them catches fire and alters the structural steel above in any way, the building is totaled. It doesn't have to melt the steel, it only has to alter it's specs in any way and the insurance company is screwed. Fireproofing is cheap insurance against small fires, and it doesn't do much of anything against raging infernos which burn and blast it away like any other paper based product.

Fire proofing (which is paper mache-soaked in flame retardent chemicals sprayed on wet) is to protect the steel from the low end of the fire spectrum. My Bible, The National Electrical Code is a chapter of the National Fire Code.

I've worked with fire prevention for decades, so, I get a little weary when ignorance speaks the loudest.

Let's hear from the "expert" again about how a paper-based coating on steel is all that stood between the WTC standing and collapsing!

HAH!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-23   16:40:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: Ferret Mike (#245)

Wow, nice bio, and here I thought all this time you were Destro/Godwinson formerly of the Free Republic.

I also went under the names Spar and Pericles and a half dozen others as well.

And I will not let America forget what she did in the Balkans - the wars there are directly tied to 9/11.

Blood for blood.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-23   16:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: Destro (#247) (Edited)

32. To: ferret (#28)

On that note you could yet be an emulator, but I know Destro well enough to know that would be a stupid game to play as the real Destro would eat your liver raw for doing that. I was also Pericles and Spar (both banned) before Destro. Then a few after Destro but banned right away.

I also post on http://Libertyforum.org but that place is the zoo and my posts there are like they would be in the 'Biker Bar' section here.

But I am thee Destro from FreeRepublic - those that knew my style there will vouch for me here.

By the by - did you ever converse with me on FreeRepublic?

Destro posted on 2006-02-16 12:24:57 ET Reply Trace

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=129765&Disp=0

Yes, you told me once. In the thread at LP I got the above quoted post I mentioned we had conversed on Free Republic in a few of my returning bannee accounts.

I know who you are.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-23   16:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: Ferret Mike (#248) (Edited)

Yes, you told me once. In the thread at LP I got the above quoted post I mentioned we had conversed on Free Republic in a few of my returning bannee accounts.

I thought I was a CIA disifno agent to you.

What is a shame is the open thinking atmosphere is gone even from here.

Instead of engaging in conversation you all here (that I have conversed with on this issue) are no better than Freeper bots.

Small minded - isolated - dogmatic, etc.

I have a divergent theory on 9/11 - which is not light on the govt at all - but because I disagree with one aspect of the thinking of 9/11 - that the buildings were sabatoged as well as struck by planes - I am called a disinfo agent.

Shame on you guys.

I came here by accident - Libertypost was turning into another version of Freerepublic - the posts regarding the Israeli war in Lebanon turned me off. The Freeper bots just migrated to Libertypost. So by accident I see Freedom4um - and to my shock - they are just bots of another stripe.

Sorry if that sounds harsh. It is a shame, really.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-23   16:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#250. To: HOUNDDAWG (#246)

What you have stated is what Kevin Ryan former UL scientist has stated.

In NISTS own reports, NIST built live scale floor load models of the twin towers.

NIST conducted experiments with and without fireproofing. Each model was fired up at 2000 degrees for 2 hours.

Neither model collapsed, or had any damage what so ever.

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

"At temperatures above 800º C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7."— Esso-Freedom4um - 10/23/2006

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-23   16:55:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: HOUNDDAWG (#246)

Let's hear from the "expert" again about how a paper-based coating on steel is all that stood between the WTC standing and collapsing!

Here is another example of voodoo science.

NIST claims that the airplane impact, scraped clean and removed all the fireproofing from all the girders, trusses, couplings and the main core over multiple floors.

Then NIST gives no proof or examples or research how this could be done or where all the needed energy would come from to symmetrically remove this over all the floors.

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

"At temperatures above 800º C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7."— Esso-Freedom4um - 10/23/2006

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-23   17:07:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: Kamala (#250)

NIST conducted experiments with and without fireproofing. Each model was fired up at 2000 degrees for 2 hours.

Neither model collapsed, or had any damage what so ever.

well, well, funny how some are sticking to theories that even NIST has abandoned, isn't it?

Sweet Nothins'

christine  posted on  2006-10-23   17:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: christine (#252)

I've seen the NIST videos and photos of the floor model tests.

It was really something to see. Giant open fire furnaces blowing right on the floor girders and trusses.

NIST didn't "like" the results, so they went to computer modeling.

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

"At temperatures above 800º C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7."— Esso-Freedom4um - 10/23/2006

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-23   17:12:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: Kamala (#251)

Good posts.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-23   17:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: Destro (#249)

"I thought I was a CIA disifno agent to you.

What is a shame is the open thinking atmosphere is gone even from here.

Instead of engaging in conversation you all here (that I have conversed with on this issue) are no better than Freeper bots.

Small minded - isolated - dogmatic, etc."

Actually Destro, other then finding your denial of the obvious, I took what everyone as saying to be more tongue in cheek then you take it.

For example when I saw the G.I Joe grade Bio I laughed until I cried, there is more tongue in cheek humor here then you are detecting.

Why don't you relax and keep on conversing? The atmosphere here can be sharp and derisive, as many here did cut their teeth on Café Paranoia (FR). But you have a right to your opinion - however wrong it is - if you can roll with the flow and not let anyone see you sweat, you are fine, I wouldn't worry about it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-23   19:23:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: Ferret Mike (#255)

Mike, he's not here to relax...he's working.

angle  posted on  2006-10-23   19:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#257. To: Destro (#249)

Mole Alert.

What's a shame is that you're a shill disrupting every demolition thread with your trash. You're not here for discussion...you've made that abundantly clear.

Take your poor me act and shove it.

angle  posted on  2006-10-23   19:47:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: Destro (#249)

I came here by accident...Freedom4um...they are just bots of another stripe.

Feel free to leave.

The towers and wtc7 were demo'ed. BushCheneyInc et al are responsible. Inevitably, they will be made accountable. More and more Americans are understanding this fact. Your shilling to the contrary is pissing in the wind.

angle  posted on  2006-10-23   19:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: Ferret Mike, Kamala (#255)

Actually Destro, other then finding your denial of the obvious, I took what everyone as saying to be more tongue in cheek then you take it.

I am talking about the inability of people here to come to logical conclusions - sorry I take the accusation of mole to be this websites equivalent of Freeperbots using 'troll' and 'DUmmies'.

What I found even funnier is that that Kamala - named after fat black WWF wrestler from the 80s? - went looking for my profile and found my COBRA file and exposed this fact to world!

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-23   20:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: angle, Ferret Mike (#256)

Mike, he's not here to relax...he's working.

Booga! Booga!!

Free Slobo!!! Oh, wait - they killed him.

The reason I came to this article? My radar blinked when I saw 'military expert' associated with 9/11... Who is stringing who along?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-23   20:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: angle (#258)

Feel free to leave.

You can get me banned like they used to on freerepublic.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-23   20:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: Destro (#259)

went looking for my profile and found my COBRA file and exposed this fact to world!

What is a COBRA file?

tom007  posted on  2006-10-23   21:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: tom007 (#262)

See Kamala's expose about me @ #228 - 239 - Will he call GI JOE to come get me?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-23   21:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: tom007 (#262)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destro

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-23   21:30:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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