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Title: View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed
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Published: Oct 22, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-10-22 12:30:26 by robin
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View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed The airplanes did not a have true effect on the destruction of towers; they were needed to give an excuse for odd Orwellian wars at the same time when the USA is turned into a police nation, like the German Third Reich, to some extent. The towers took the impacts of crushing Boeing 767's. The towers were originally built to take impacts of Boeing 707's, which are approximately of the same size and was widely used in the 1970's. Fires that kindled from the fuel in the planes were too shortlasting and weak to be able to severely damage the structure of the skyscrapers. Even in the extreme situation, the heat from a kerosene fire cannot threat the durability of a steel trunk. With the temperature of carbohydrate fires that reaches only 825 °C (approx. 1517 °F) steel weakens at 800 °C (approx. 1470 °F) and melts at 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F). In the skyscrapers of the WTC the surroundings were not at all ideal as there were far too many steel columns and they led heat away from the burning area. WTC 1 burned for 102 minutes and WTC 2 for 56 minutes only. A fire burning much longer, from 10 to 20 hours, could slowly increase the burning temperature down to perhaps 1100 °C (approx. 2010 °F). Provided there is more substance to burn, such a fire will damage concrete and irons, but not severely heavy steel constructions. In mid-February in Madrid, the Windsor Tower (see above) burned for over 20 hours, which led to a fire stronger and hotter than that in the WTC, but even the collapses of the Windsor Tower caused by the very strong and long-enduring fire were minimal and limited to the upper floors. If either of the WTC tower had started to collapse because of fires the collapse would have been limited to only a few of the floors and then stopped. The impossibility of a gravitational collapse is closer seen in other documents. A collapse would produce large pieces, and does not explain reports of fine dust from concrete, huge amounts of dust and pieces of steel ejected outwards. Destruction of the towers by explosions is clear according to the photographs and reports of the eye witnesses. In the picture below, a range of cutting charges have just exploded in the down left sector and a typical white cloud is formed outwards from the wall. Down right, explosions are seen as well. Even a flame is seen. In video tapes taken of the so-called collapses of the WTC, more explosions of these cutting charges can be seen. The explosions advance quickly, with a gap of a couple of floors, cutting the strong steel pillars in the outer wall. The explosions are timed so that it appears that the tower collapses occur in the same timing as in a gravitational collapse. The explosions are not completely synchronized in timing, probably a few charges are triggered by radio, and other charges explode out of the impulses of one of these charges (infrared, pressure wave). More challenging problems to the demolition men, however, were the central cores of the buildings and the 47 steel pillars more robust than the ones on the outer rounds. The pillars of the central cores were made of steel even 100 + 100 mm thick, thicker than the side armours of a battle tank. Cutting those, even with explosives, is extremely difficult. One would need to surround the whole pillars, every single pillar on every floor intended to get blasted, with powerful cutting charges. These charges would have needed to be placed in such a way that the users of the skyscrapers could not notice these preparations. As seen in the following pictures, the cores of the towers were not distracted by thousands of powerful cutting charges but by a modern thermonuclear explosive, a small hydrogen bomb. In the picture below, a hydrogen bomb explosion, the bomb having been placed in the cellar and directed to the core, has reached the roof of the tower and the upper parts of the outer walls. On its way up the waves of fire pressure partially penetrated about 100 floors of concrete and steel. Over ten million degrees of heat caused by a hydrogen bomb sublimised all water within the concrete in a moment. Water exploded extremely quickly into 24-fold volume and totally pulverized the concrete. Even people and computers that were in the buildings disappeared turning into heat and light. That is why almost nothing of them was found in the ruins. Burning radiation is absorbed in steel so quickly that steel heats up immediately over its melting point 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F) and above its boiling point around 3000 C (approx. 5430 °F). In the pictures down below, super hot groups of steel pillars and columns, torn from wall by pressure wave, are sublimized. They immediately turn into a vaporized form, binding heat as quickly as possible. Bursts upwards, even visible in the picture below, are not possible for a gravitational collapse or for cutting charges which are used horizontally. In the upper picture the explosion is in theory 100 times stronger than in the picture below, but in practice the difference is only four times due to the capability of direction of the small hydrogen bomb. In the picture at the right, the brown shades caused by a hydrogen bomb are seen, while the top of the tower that is already collapsing is breaking down and the posture straightens up as the hydrogen bomb pulverized the core and it lost all its resistance. The piles point the blasts of the cutting charges. (Gehue plate 12) Extremely hot, sublimating pieces are not created with many methods. For comparison, pictures of subterranean nuclear explosions where the explosion is blasting onto surface and into the air: Ess1.2 Kt WTC 2 Banberry 10 Kt underground Radioactivity in air creates shades of brown. (The subterranean nuke in the picture on the right is 10 times stronger than the small nuke on the left.) This is the reason why the FBI did not search the crime scene. Ground zeros of nuclear weapons are a health risk and belong to the FEMA. Poster Comment: For the rest of this: Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11 Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11 Written in spring 2005, a modestly language-corrected version Corrected by another person than the original author. The photographs attached in this non-profit distribution are for securing volatile, important evidence on 9/11 for discussion and education. Author hereby grants full permission to reproduce the drawing 'The Bombs in the WTC' and his writings. You are encouraged to mail, publish and mass produce these documents or your enhanced versions of them. Due to concerns for his personal safety, the author has chosen to remain anonymous. And a glance at some of what he's fighting for (to keep it fair and balanced): 
Storax Sedan 104 Kt shallow underground
Steel pillars are turned into dust. 
The author has chosen to remain anonymous so I'll post this photo of a Finnish soldier. Why? Well because I like looking at Finns, even with green faces.
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#18. To: robin (#13)
Prove it. Or did you mean near freefall speeds?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I saw what happened same as everyone else. The law of gravity ruled.
What kind of life is there in swallowing everything the govt tells you, without question? What kind of life is there for someone to deny the Laws of Physics because the govt tells them they don't matter anymore? That what they saw is not what they saw on 9/11? To paraphrase Burkeman1 this morning, If Tony Snow got up and said the sun now rises in the west and sets in the east, there are people who would just accept it.
The law of gravity does not allow for free fall speed w/o explosives removing the floor beneath each floor falling.
Who says I have not? How do you know the CIA did not back the creation of such video exposes to throw people off track and off balance? to taint the truth movement? Like using UFOs as a way to hide and explain experimental secret airplane testing and so on.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
In one conversation I heard the term of "weight compression" being used. Being not too bright, I kept my mouth closed so as to not show my ignorance. I did gather it had too do with weight of one floor being lowered to the one below and overstressing the structure.
Watch the videos, they explain it all with high school physics, the camera footage and graphs. There are many good sources of information on the web. But you don't really want to know. http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm That's the "pancake" theory. It doesn't work well with the speeds attained. WTC7 is really glaringly so. Unfortunately, there was a steel core that had no flooring. Yet it all came down too. No one govt even tries to explain that. And that Popular Science explanation written by the cousin of DHS Michael Chertoff, what a joke! The best part is, he tried to deny any connection at first. These people are all idiots. I'm convinced of it. And their arrogance allows them to believe they are actually smarter than the rest of us. Nothing could be further from the truth. They are all devoid of any morals that's all.
There are conspiracies. Roosevelt conspired to bring the U.S. into WWII. But the idea of a bunch of evil psychopathic geniuses pulling off an impossibly complex conspiracy like 9-11....it belongs in a cartoon, not in the realm of serious discussion.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
If the intent was to bring it down within its own footprint, and cause minimal damage, I wonder why they did not blast two corners low down and topple the entire structure and really spread the destruction? Remember death and destruction was their goal?
There were no "litle people" involved with the Pearl Harbor thing. The death and destruction was left for the Japanese. Only the instigation came from the conspiritors.
Why didn't they hit several buildings throughout the city and really overwhelm the police, fire and rescue crews? If they were incredibly brilliant psychopathic geniuses it should have been a cinch. Blast Wall Street, blast the IRS, hit the White House with three planes (don't forget the explosives planted in the White House)...the possibilities are endless!
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
Good question, but with the 47 interior columns, I don't know that your plan would have achieved the desired result - but I'm not an engineer or demolition expert. After viewing the Finn's bomb photo comparisons, I find his theory compelling.
Was it? Or just a big event, a "new Pearl Harbor" as PNAC wanted. To bring down these buildings in this way accomplished that, gave Larry Silverstein an extremely handsome profit, also allowed him to avoid the expensive demolition required for buildings with asbestos. These buildings were operating at a loss according to the Port Authority. Only Larry's buildings fell that day. Others were damaged. This was catastrophic enough. And so dramatic. All demolitions are.
And who profited from the Pentagon attack? That cost taxpayers a billion dollars. Or was that and the other aircraft diversions?
The NeoSheviks have been robbing the US Treasury like there's no tomorrow. While Dov Zakheim was Comptroller of the Pentagon upwards of $3 trillion went missing. On 9/10/01 the day before 9/11, Rumsfeld held a news conference about the missing trillions under Zakheim's watch. The next morning the section of the Pentagon where the auditors work is demolished, along with a lot of important papers and computers and people. http://benfrank.net/patriots/news/national/pentagon_missing_trillions http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL Also it was the spot that had just been renovated: http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/11/where-pentagon-was-hit.html http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1047.shtml
A mass murder to cover up a massive heist?? In the movies, it's usually the other way around. Calling Perry Mason...
But Sam Danner, a poster here said it was a drone not a piloted aircraft. He was a "witness". How could a drone possibly pick out the right section?
Sam Danner was banned. He is not a well person. And a drone, a missile or a piloted jet could easily have targeted the correct section, as you well know.
There may have been a heist too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html But the real purpose was the one stated in a PNAC report, a "new Pearl Harbor". Cui Bono? Well, that's where we come to greater Israel. Don't forget the 5 dancing Israelis videotaping the fall of the towers. And never forget Dick Cheney's offshore accounts.
What kind of life is there for someone to deny the Laws of Physics because the govt tells them they don't matter anymore? I don't believe anything the government tells me. You have used "the Laws of Physics" so often, and capitalized it every time, that it is clear to me you know nothing about them.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
Are you of the "wet noodle" theory that Destro holds to? http://srikant.org/core/phy11sep.html Laws of Physics : A Primer Belal E. Baaquie Core Curriculum National University of Singapore (corbeb@nus.edu.sg)
I was raised in a steel mill town and understand steel a lot better then you do. Heat doesn't turn steel into wet noodles. It just weakens it. I'll give you another hint as to what happened. Steel joints in buildings aren't welded; they're riveted. And those joints pop loose. I've seen medium-sized tornadoes bend steel I-beams and pop the joints loose. Wind, not 20 tons of flying metal, going over 300 mph, loaded with over 10,000 gallons of jet fuel.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html "Never before in history has a steel high rise building collapsed simply because of fire. On 9/11, by coincidence, three such buildings collapsed in ten to fifteen seconds, almost freefall speed. In other words, if you dropped a brick from the top of the World Trade Center it would have taken about that time to hit the ground." The NIST/FEMA/SILVERSTEIN/ASCE/911 COMMISSION reports are mostly fiction with very little truth, research, and science. These "reports" are cartoon comic books to provide a cover for the pre conceived conclusion paid by for by the feds. NIST states that the "impacts" and "pancaking" didn't cause the collapse of 1, 2. NIST doesn't explain how asymmetrical damage and asymmetrical fire caused 2 towers to fall exactly symmetrical. NIST never explains how 480 degree girder heat exposure causes "probabable" collapse initiation". NIST never explains how streams of molten iron occured from jet fuel. NIST never explains how steel was evaporated. NIST never explains how the fireproofing was "stripped" clean of all girders and trusses. NIST never explains how 1,000's and 1,000's and 1,000's of girders, trusses and couplings all fail at once to have the towers fall at 1/7th of a second per floor. NIST never explains what type of computer software was used to generate the theories it has came up with. NIST never explains why it could never duplicate any of its claims when live scale floor loads and models were built. Where is NISTS', independent of government employees, peer reviewed report? NISTS' entire report is a criminal cover up.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
According to one of the design engineers of the towers, their joints were both bolted AND welded together - those buildings were engineered to take two hits, simultaneously, from the largest civilian plane of the day, Boeing 707's.
This is a bad article. There were no H-bombs used on 911.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
I try to give the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty. I once believed the govt official version of 9/11. I try to remember that.
!! Welllllllll....
It's just a theory. I hope we can examine them all. You like the thermite theory? Which article (not video) do you think explains it best?
NISTS own report backs away from the couplings failing. All the reports involved in 911 contradict each other. The interesting thing is the same government "engineers" worked and put together all the reports.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
I pretty much stick with Jim Hoffman, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, Jeff King, Gordon Ross. Thermate and nano thermite are the leading candidates because other explosives have chemical "tags" that can be traced to a single source.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
I sent a link to Joyce Riley at the PowerHour: we'll see if she or Dave mentions it. This would be one heck of a lot easier done than placing all the thermite/thermate that would have been needed. That said, there was strategic placement of the cutting charges, as Steven Jones has outlined for us.
thanks BTW, the Dr. Stephen Jones links I tried (the BYU ones), don't work anymore. (sigh)
What station time for that program? I don't listen to these programs really, but I know I should.
Nano thermite is around 1000% more powerful than conventional demo explosives. I don't think it took as much as we imagine. I also think 911 was going to happen no matter what. It was in the planning much before this current administration.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
You knew when smirk finally allowed the commission to happen and his first choice for the chair was HeinzKissinger, things would not go well for the truth.
http://www.gnclive.com from 7 - 10am CDT - you might have to roll out of the rack a bit early to catch the entire program.
I take make audio research tapes and take them with me while I drive my truck around while I'm working. I also listen to archived research while surfing. I have forgotten more about 911 than these three moles will ever know. You did not answer how the buildings fell at the rate of a free fall w/o demolitions.
#19. To: robin (#15)
You heard the govt version and believed it.
#20. To: YertleTurtle, Burkeman1 (#14)
#21. To: Cynicom (#19)
#22. To: christine (#16)
you wouldn't be asking those questions, Destro, if you really watched 911 Mysteries: Demolitions. oh, but that's right, you explained it all here:
#23. To: robin (#0)
Compelling photographic evidence - thanks for this one.
#24. To: robin (#21)
The law of gravity does not allow for free fall speed w/o explosives removing the floor beneath each floor falling.
#25. To: Destro (#18)
#26. To: Cynicom (#24)
#27. To: Cynicom (#17)
Conspiracies do exist..However they have bounds.
#28. To: robin (#26)
That's the "pancake" theory.
#29. To: YertleTurtle (#27)
Roosevelt conspired to bring the U.S. into WWII.
#30. To: Cynicom (#28)
If the intent was to bring it down within its own footprint, and cause minimal damage, I wonder why they did not blast two corners low down and topple the entire structure and really spread the destruction?
#31. To: Cynicom (#28)
I wonder why they did not blast two corners low down and topple the entire structure and really spread the destruction?
#32. To: Cynicom (#28)
Remember death and destruction was their goal?
#33. To: robin (#32)
To bring down these buildings in this way accomplished that, gave Larry Silverstein an extremely handsome profit, also allowed him to avoid the expensive demolition required for buildings with asbestos.
#34. To: Cynicom (#33)
#35. To: Cynicom (#33)
Or was that and the other aircraft diversions?
#36. To: robin (#34)
The next morning the section of the Pentagon where the auditors work is demolished, along with a lot of important papers and computers and peopl
#37. To: Cynicom (#36)
#38. To: jessejane, Cynicom (#35)
#39. To: robin (#20)
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What kind of life is there in swallowing everything the govt tells you, without question?
#40. To: YertleTurtle (#39)
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#41. To: robin (#40)
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Are you of the "wet noodle" theory that Destro holds to?
#42. To: YertleTurtle (#41)
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#43. To: christine, Robin, TRIPLE MOLE ALERT!!!! (#16)
Why are you two wasting your time with these posters?
#44. To: YertleTurtle (#41)
Steel joints in buildings aren't welded; they're riveted. And those joints pop loose.
#45. To: robin (#0)
#46. To: Kamala (#43)
#47. To: robin (#38)
There may have been a heist too.
#48. To: Kamala (#45)
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#49. To: lodwick (#44)
#50. To: robin (#48)
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#51. To: robin (#48)
It's just a theory. I hope we can examine them all.
#52. To: Kamala (#50)
I pretty much stick with Jim Hoffman, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, Jeff King, Gordon Ross.
#53. To: lodwick (#51)
#54. To: lodwick (#51)
#55. To: Kamala (#49)
The interesting thing is the same government "engineers" worked and put together all the reports.
#56. To: robin (#53)
The Power Hour
#57. To: robin (#52)
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I know this is alot of reading and listening.
http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/06/presentatio n- by-kevin-ryan-from.html
http://worldtradecentertruth.com/volume /200609/ DrJonesTalksatISUPhysicsDepartment.pdf
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/stevenjone s_b7.htm l
http ://www.journalof911studies.com/
Mark
The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent
Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
#58. To: lodwick (#55)
Philip Zelakow(SP) was even more a worse choice for the truth. We might as well as had the 911 Commission held in the white house itself.
Mark
The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent
Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
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