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Title: View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed
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Published: Oct 22, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-10-22 12:30:26 by robin
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View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed The airplanes did not a have true effect on the destruction of towers; they were needed to give an excuse for odd Orwellian wars at the same time when the USA is turned into a police nation, like the German Third Reich, to some extent. The towers took the impacts of crushing Boeing 767's. The towers were originally built to take impacts of Boeing 707's, which are approximately of the same size and was widely used in the 1970's. Fires that kindled from the fuel in the planes were too shortlasting and weak to be able to severely damage the structure of the skyscrapers. Even in the extreme situation, the heat from a kerosene fire cannot threat the durability of a steel trunk. With the temperature of carbohydrate fires that reaches only 825 °C (approx. 1517 °F) steel weakens at 800 °C (approx. 1470 °F) and melts at 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F). In the skyscrapers of the WTC the surroundings were not at all ideal as there were far too many steel columns and they led heat away from the burning area. WTC 1 burned for 102 minutes and WTC 2 for 56 minutes only. A fire burning much longer, from 10 to 20 hours, could slowly increase the burning temperature down to perhaps 1100 °C (approx. 2010 °F). Provided there is more substance to burn, such a fire will damage concrete and irons, but not severely heavy steel constructions. In mid-February in Madrid, the Windsor Tower (see above) burned for over 20 hours, which led to a fire stronger and hotter than that in the WTC, but even the collapses of the Windsor Tower caused by the very strong and long-enduring fire were minimal and limited to the upper floors. If either of the WTC tower had started to collapse because of fires the collapse would have been limited to only a few of the floors and then stopped. The impossibility of a gravitational collapse is closer seen in other documents. A collapse would produce large pieces, and does not explain reports of fine dust from concrete, huge amounts of dust and pieces of steel ejected outwards. Destruction of the towers by explosions is clear according to the photographs and reports of the eye witnesses. In the picture below, a range of cutting charges have just exploded in the down left sector and a typical white cloud is formed outwards from the wall. Down right, explosions are seen as well. Even a flame is seen. In video tapes taken of the so-called collapses of the WTC, more explosions of these cutting charges can be seen. The explosions advance quickly, with a gap of a couple of floors, cutting the strong steel pillars in the outer wall. The explosions are timed so that it appears that the tower collapses occur in the same timing as in a gravitational collapse. The explosions are not completely synchronized in timing, probably a few charges are triggered by radio, and other charges explode out of the impulses of one of these charges (infrared, pressure wave). More challenging problems to the demolition men, however, were the central cores of the buildings and the 47 steel pillars more robust than the ones on the outer rounds. The pillars of the central cores were made of steel even 100 + 100 mm thick, thicker than the side armours of a battle tank. Cutting those, even with explosives, is extremely difficult. One would need to surround the whole pillars, every single pillar on every floor intended to get blasted, with powerful cutting charges. These charges would have needed to be placed in such a way that the users of the skyscrapers could not notice these preparations. As seen in the following pictures, the cores of the towers were not distracted by thousands of powerful cutting charges but by a modern thermonuclear explosive, a small hydrogen bomb. In the picture below, a hydrogen bomb explosion, the bomb having been placed in the cellar and directed to the core, has reached the roof of the tower and the upper parts of the outer walls. On its way up the waves of fire pressure partially penetrated about 100 floors of concrete and steel. Over ten million degrees of heat caused by a hydrogen bomb sublimised all water within the concrete in a moment. Water exploded extremely quickly into 24-fold volume and totally pulverized the concrete. Even people and computers that were in the buildings disappeared turning into heat and light. That is why almost nothing of them was found in the ruins. Burning radiation is absorbed in steel so quickly that steel heats up immediately over its melting point 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F) and above its boiling point around 3000 C (approx. 5430 °F). In the pictures down below, super hot groups of steel pillars and columns, torn from wall by pressure wave, are sublimized. They immediately turn into a vaporized form, binding heat as quickly as possible. Bursts upwards, even visible in the picture below, are not possible for a gravitational collapse or for cutting charges which are used horizontally. In the upper picture the explosion is in theory 100 times stronger than in the picture below, but in practice the difference is only four times due to the capability of direction of the small hydrogen bomb. In the picture at the right, the brown shades caused by a hydrogen bomb are seen, while the top of the tower that is already collapsing is breaking down and the posture straightens up as the hydrogen bomb pulverized the core and it lost all its resistance. The piles point the blasts of the cutting charges. (Gehue plate 12) Extremely hot, sublimating pieces are not created with many methods. For comparison, pictures of subterranean nuclear explosions where the explosion is blasting onto surface and into the air: Ess1.2 Kt WTC 2 Banberry 10 Kt underground Radioactivity in air creates shades of brown. (The subterranean nuke in the picture on the right is 10 times stronger than the small nuke on the left.) This is the reason why the FBI did not search the crime scene. Ground zeros of nuclear weapons are a health risk and belong to the FEMA. Poster Comment: For the rest of this: Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11 Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11 Written in spring 2005, a modestly language-corrected version Corrected by another person than the original author. The photographs attached in this non-profit distribution are for securing volatile, important evidence on 9/11 for discussion and education. Author hereby grants full permission to reproduce the drawing 'The Bombs in the WTC' and his writings. You are encouraged to mail, publish and mass produce these documents or your enhanced versions of them. Due to concerns for his personal safety, the author has chosen to remain anonymous. And a glance at some of what he's fighting for (to keep it fair and balanced): 
Storax Sedan 104 Kt shallow underground
Steel pillars are turned into dust. 
The author has chosen to remain anonymous so I'll post this photo of a Finnish soldier. Why? Well because I like looking at Finns, even with green faces.
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#39. To: robin (#20)
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What kind of life is there for someone to deny the Laws of Physics because the govt tells them they don't matter anymore? I don't believe anything the government tells me. You have used "the Laws of Physics" so often, and capitalized it every time, that it is clear to me you know nothing about them.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
Are you of the "wet noodle" theory that Destro holds to? http://srikant.org/core/phy11sep.html Laws of Physics : A Primer Belal E. Baaquie Core Curriculum National University of Singapore (corbeb@nus.edu.sg)
I was raised in a steel mill town and understand steel a lot better then you do. Heat doesn't turn steel into wet noodles. It just weakens it. I'll give you another hint as to what happened. Steel joints in buildings aren't welded; they're riveted. And those joints pop loose. I've seen medium-sized tornadoes bend steel I-beams and pop the joints loose. Wind, not 20 tons of flying metal, going over 300 mph, loaded with over 10,000 gallons of jet fuel.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html "Never before in history has a steel high rise building collapsed simply because of fire. On 9/11, by coincidence, three such buildings collapsed in ten to fifteen seconds, almost freefall speed. In other words, if you dropped a brick from the top of the World Trade Center it would have taken about that time to hit the ground." The NIST/FEMA/SILVERSTEIN/ASCE/911 COMMISSION reports are mostly fiction with very little truth, research, and science. These "reports" are cartoon comic books to provide a cover for the pre conceived conclusion paid by for by the feds. NIST states that the "impacts" and "pancaking" didn't cause the collapse of 1, 2. NIST doesn't explain how asymmetrical damage and asymmetrical fire caused 2 towers to fall exactly symmetrical. NIST never explains how 480 degree girder heat exposure causes "probabable" collapse initiation". NIST never explains how streams of molten iron occured from jet fuel. NIST never explains how steel was evaporated. NIST never explains how the fireproofing was "stripped" clean of all girders and trusses. NIST never explains how 1,000's and 1,000's and 1,000's of girders, trusses and couplings all fail at once to have the towers fall at 1/7th of a second per floor. NIST never explains what type of computer software was used to generate the theories it has came up with. NIST never explains why it could never duplicate any of its claims when live scale floor loads and models were built. Where is NISTS', independent of government employees, peer reviewed report? NISTS' entire report is a criminal cover up.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
According to one of the design engineers of the towers, their joints were both bolted AND welded together - those buildings were engineered to take two hits, simultaneously, from the largest civilian plane of the day, Boeing 707's.
This is a bad article. There were no H-bombs used on 911.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
I try to give the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty. I once believed the govt official version of 9/11. I try to remember that.
!! Welllllllll....
It's just a theory. I hope we can examine them all. You like the thermite theory? Which article (not video) do you think explains it best?
NISTS own report backs away from the couplings failing. All the reports involved in 911 contradict each other. The interesting thing is the same government "engineers" worked and put together all the reports.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
I pretty much stick with Jim Hoffman, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, Jeff King, Gordon Ross. Thermate and nano thermite are the leading candidates because other explosives have chemical "tags" that can be traced to a single source.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
I sent a link to Joyce Riley at the PowerHour: we'll see if she or Dave mentions it. This would be one heck of a lot easier done than placing all the thermite/thermate that would have been needed. That said, there was strategic placement of the cutting charges, as Steven Jones has outlined for us.
thanks BTW, the Dr. Stephen Jones links I tried (the BYU ones), don't work anymore. (sigh)
What station time for that program? I don't listen to these programs really, but I know I should.
Nano thermite is around 1000% more powerful than conventional demo explosives. I don't think it took as much as we imagine. I also think 911 was going to happen no matter what. It was in the planning much before this current administration.
Mark The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
You knew when smirk finally allowed the commission to happen and his first choice for the chair was HeinzKissinger, things would not go well for the truth.
http://www.gnclive.com from 7 - 10am CDT - you might have to roll out of the rack a bit early to catch the entire program.
I take make audio research tapes and take them with me while I drive my truck around while I'm working. I also listen to archived research while surfing. I have forgotten more about 911 than these three moles will ever know. What kind of life is there in swallowing everything the govt tells you, without question?
#40. To: YertleTurtle (#39)
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#41. To: robin (#40)
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Are you of the "wet noodle" theory that Destro holds to?
#42. To: YertleTurtle (#41)
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#43. To: christine, Robin, TRIPLE MOLE ALERT!!!! (#16)
Why are you two wasting your time with these posters?
#44. To: YertleTurtle (#41)
Steel joints in buildings aren't welded; they're riveted. And those joints pop loose.
#45. To: robin (#0)
#46. To: Kamala (#43)
#47. To: robin (#38)
There may have been a heist too.
#48. To: Kamala (#45)
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#49. To: lodwick (#44)
#50. To: robin (#48)
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#51. To: robin (#48)
It's just a theory. I hope we can examine them all.
#52. To: Kamala (#50)
I pretty much stick with Jim Hoffman, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, Jeff King, Gordon Ross.
#53. To: lodwick (#51)
#54. To: lodwick (#51)
#55. To: Kamala (#49)
The interesting thing is the same government "engineers" worked and put together all the reports.
#56. To: robin (#53)
The Power Hour
#57. To: robin (#52)
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I know this is alot of reading and listening.
http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/06/presentatio n- by-kevin-ryan-from.html
http://worldtradecentertruth.com/volume /200609/ DrJonesTalksatISUPhysicsDepartment.pdf
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/stevenjone s_b7.htm l
http ://www.journalof911studies.com/
Mark
The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent
Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
#58. To: lodwick (#55)
Philip Zelakow(SP) was even more a worse choice for the truth. We might as well as had the 911 Commission held in the white house itself.
Mark
The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent
Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001
#59. To: Kamala (#43)
NIST doesn't explain how asymmetrical damage and asymmetrical fire caused 2 towers to fall exactly symmetrical.
#60. To: robin (#46)
Uhhhhhhhhhh... I take a nap every afternoon.
I try to give the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty.
#61. To: jessejane (#35)
Uhhhhhhhhh...
A mass murder to cover up a massive heist??
#62. To: Cynicom (#61)
I was thinking the same thing.
Uhhhhhhhhh...
#63. To: jessejane (#62)
robin does not think my Uhhhh is a very intelligent answer to anything, think I will tell on her. hehehehehe
I was thinking the same thing.
#64. To: YertleTurtle (#27)
But the idea of a bunch of evil psychopathic geniuses pulling off an impossibly complex conspiracy like 9-11....it belongs in a cartoon, not in the realm of serious discussion. Can I ask why you think this subgroup has latched on to this complex conspiracy like a religion?
There are conspiracies. Roosevelt conspired to bring the U.S. into WWII.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#65. To: Destro (#64)
Why latch onto a story that has been so thoroughly debunked? Anti conspiracy adherence to obvious lies reminds me of membership in a toxic cult. I would say the only ones in it are the truly clueless of shills trying to prop up the wilting patchwork of lies that the official story is.
"Can I ask why you think this subgroup has latched on to this complex conspiracy like a religion?"
#66. To: lodwick (#44)
Stop trying to confuse him with the facts or the "Laws of Physics". lol. He's good for a laugh and an insight into a shill, but he's not intelligent enough for a good waste of time.
their joints were both bolted AND welded together
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#65) (Edited)
Don't be stupid. You types sound like Catholics who rush to get the flock back in line with the dogma just as dogmatic as the 911 Commission adherents. If you read the conversation between yertle and I you would note that we accept the possibility - nay the probability of a conspiracy - just that we discount the demolitions were part of the equation. Read it again slow and easy.
Why latch onto a story that has been so thoroughly debunked? Anti conspiracy adherence to obvious lies reminds me of membership in a toxic cult.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#68. To: angle, lodwick (#66)
It would not matter - just 400-500 degrees F would reduce the strength of steel by half. "Laws of Physics".
their joints were both bolted AND welded together
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#69. To: Destro (#67)
Who cares what you and yertle turle accept the possibility of? IMO, you're both shills trying desperately to disrupt any exchange regarding the demolition of the towers and wtc7. You're time and energy wasters. The demolitions of the towers are a given. Your continual harping on what is common knowledge is tiresome. The truth will out. Give it up.
#70. To: Destro (#68)
"Laws of Physics". absolute distortion
It would not matter - just 400-500 degrees F would reduce the strength of steel by half.
#71. To: Cynicom (#63)
Now don't go picking on robin. She might not know your sense of humor... :)
robin does not think my Uhhhh is a very intelligent answer to anything, think I will tell on her.
#72. To: angle (#69)
for who when we implicate the govt? maybe for the demolition industry? lol
you're both shills trying desperately to disrupt any exchange regarding the demolition of the towers and wtc7.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#73. To: Destro (#67)
Agreed
we accept the possibility - nay the probability of a conspiracy - juts that we discount the demolitions were part of the equation.
#74. To: jessejane (#71)
People that use the , Uhhhhh. reply are waiting to join the winning or right group, sort of wishy washy.
Now don't go picking on robin.
#75. To: Destro (#67)
Interesting spin, but one of wishful thinking that debunks your efforts, not my belief system. Your choice, I came late and reluctantly to my conclusions regarding this obvious demolition and conspiracy to do do this. I was long a skeptic of this line of thought, but anyone who conscientiously and thoroughly looks at the evidence knows better then to give the official story anything more then a disdainful brush of. It fits in too well with the needs and wants of both the Bushies and the building's owners who had an expensive white elephant removed as well as the Bushies getting their Pearl Harbor effect. You can posture anyway you want, but 9 11 was an inside job, and the buildings were blown up for political and economic reasons. To think otherwise? Don't be so stupid.
"Don't be stupid. You types sound like Catholics who rush to get the flock back in line with the dogma just as dogmatic as the 911 Commission adherents."
"If you read the conversation between yertle and I you would note that we accept the possibility - nay the probability of a conspiracy - just that we discount the demolitions were part of the equation."
#76. To: Cynicom (#74)
I know what happened the last time I asked you to pick wishy or washy.. I'm not going to repeat that mistake. :) Turns out, both can be right.
People that use the , Uhhhhh. reply are waiting to join the winning or right group, sort of wishy washy.
#77. To: Destro (#72)
The administration of GW Bush is guilty of the murder of thousands and the destruction if billions of dollars worth of infrastructure in allowing the aircraft hijacking and using the confusion and damage to permit them to blow up these buildings. We go after the self implicated for justice. Now, what's so hard to understand about that?
"for who when we implicate the govt? maybe for the demolition industry?"
#78. To: What of the explosions in the basement of the towers? (#73) (Edited)
I can't square the testimony of William Rodriquez, and others, who were in the basement of the N. tower? when they heard - and felt - explosions. Countless of people were injured and are available for MSM interview at any time. Of course you'll never see them save for the internet. These explosions were before the planes struck, btw. I've listened to liars all my life and nothing in his testimony suggests he isn't telling the truth.
#79. To: Jethro Tull (#78)
Why, obviously there was a precision earthquake at that moment, and a Uri Geller hard at work making steel melt and bending spoons. Amazing how people can look at the unexplainable by any stretch of the construct of the official story and pretend that what is obvious happened, did not happen.
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