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Title: College removes cross – from chapel!
Source: WND
URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52646
Published: Oct 27, 2006
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2006-10-27 12:39:53 by bluegrass
Ping List: *New History*
Keywords: None
Views: 7897
Comments: 252

The cross from the altar area of the chapel at the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Va., has been removed to ensure the space is seen as a nondenominational area, explains Melissa Engimann, assistant director for Historic Campus.

"In order to make the Wren Chapel less of a faith-specific space, and to make it more welcoming to students, faculty, staff and visitors of all faiths, the cross has been removed from the altar area," Engimann announced in an e-mail to staff.

The cross will be returned to the altar for those who wish to use it for events, services or private prayer.

The cross was in place because of the college's former association with the Anglican Church. Though the college is now nondenominational and became publicly supported in 1906, the room will still be considered a chapel, college officials said.

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#1. To: bluegrass (#0)

This is kind of a private matter - it's not like this came from a court order, etc.

So it really is non of our business.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-27   12:50:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Destro, bluedogtxn (#1)

The chapel is part of the Wren Building, the oldest academic building in America. It's had a cross in it since the chapel was added in 1732.

This is akin to what the Bolsheviks did to Russian religious history during their tyranny.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-27   13:05:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: bluegrass, bluedogtxn (#3)

The chapel is part of the Wren Building, the oldest academic building in America. It's had a cross in it since the chapel was added in 1732.

It's a private matter - none of my business or yours.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-27   14:16:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Destro (#7)

It's a private matter - none of my business or yours.

I live in Virginia. W&M is a "public" school.

It's my biz.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-27   14:20:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: bluegrass (#8)

I live in Virginia. W&M is a "public" school.

Then the cross should be removed since the state should not fund a religous specific chapel.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-27   14:22:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Destro (#9)

By that reasoning, the publicly funded 'Holocaust' Museum in DC should have all of the six-pointed stars removed.

The larger issue is that the State has no business supporting universities.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-27   14:25:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: bluegrass (#10)

By that reasoning, the publicly funded 'Holocaust' Museum in DC should have all of the six-pointed stars removed.

A) I am against the existence of the Holocaust musuem in America - if it should exist anywhere it should be in Berlin/Europe.

With that said:

B) The Star of David was used as a identifying symbol by the Nazis so you could not have it removed from a museum that touches on the subject.

C) Was not the schismatic and heretical Anglican church founded by an overweight serial killer?

Destro  posted on  2006-10-27   14:28:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Destro (#11)

The German Nazis used the genocide and 'ethnic cleansing' of Native Americans as one of the models to plan and execute their genocide and ethnic cleansing of those they found odious.

I would keep the museum and make the Shoah exhibit a wing. It needs exhibits showing what happened to 'New World' peoples, and to peoples in all the other corners of the world when their particular 'holocausts' happened.

The lesson that the museum teaches is an important one, it just need to be reorganized and changed to show that this is a sort of thing that has happened in different degrees at different times in human history.

To make it just cover the Shoah, it sends the false message that what the Nazis did was highly unusual, when in fact, it isn't. The museum is needed because this sort of thing will happen again if we don't use all the tools at our disposal to remember history to keep from repeating it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-27   14:39:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

The German Nazis used the genocide and 'ethnic cleansing' of Native Americans as one of the models to plan and execute their genocide and ethnic cleansing of those they found odious.

I don't know if any Nazi ever said that but they did openly modeled their laws on the Jews on the American South's Jim Crow laws.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-27   15:01:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Destro, Ferret Mike (#20)

In Nazi Germany, Jews were prohibited by law from marrying non-Jews. There's only one country in the world that still has this law: Israel.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-27   15:15:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: bluegrass, Ferret Mike (#26)

In Nazi Germany, Jews were prohibited by law from marrying non-Jews. There's only one country in the world that still has this law: Israel.

The Jim Crow laws of the South - including laws against race mixing - were defended by referring to the Old Testament as recently as the 1960s.

The Nazi legal system was based on the American Jim Crow laws.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-27   15:40:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Destro, Ferret Mike (#28)

BTW, is Jim Crow also the source of Israel's current marriage laws?

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-27   15:53:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: bluegrass, Ferret Mike (#30) (Edited)

BTW, is Jim Crow also the source of Israel's current marriage laws?

Who cares? I don't live there. Do you get all upset women can't drive cars in Saudi Arabia? That girls get their labia sliced off in Africa?

Mind your business.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-27   16:14:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Destro, Ferret Mike (#34)

BTW, is Jim Crow also the source of Israel's current marriage laws? Who cares? I don't live there. Do you get all upset women can't drive cars in Saudi Arabia? That girls get their labia sliced off in Africa?

Mind your business.

Does Israel mind it's own business? NOOOOOOOO!

Very hypocritical Destro.

Diana  posted on  2006-10-27   18:29:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Diana (#59)

Does Israel mind it's own business? NOOOOOOOO!

What does Israel have to do with this college removing a cross from a non denominational chapel?

Destro  posted on  2006-10-28   15:35:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Destro (#101)

What does Israel have to do with this college removing a cross from a non denominational chapel?

I didn't say it did you word-twister you.

Diana  posted on  2006-10-28   18:43:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Diana (#125)

What does Israel have to do with this college removing a cross from a non denominational chapel?

Then why did you and Bluegrass harp on about Israel?

Destro  posted on  2006-10-28   19:00:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#135. To: Destro (#129)

Then why did you and Bluegrass harp on about Israel?

Now what are you referring to?

I thought I was harping on about how what happened to the American Indians.

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