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Title: College removes cross – from chapel!
Source: WND
URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52646
Published: Oct 27, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-10-27 12:39:53 by bluegrass
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The cross from the altar area of the chapel at the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Va., has been removed to ensure the space is seen as a nondenominational area, explains Melissa Engimann, assistant director for Historic Campus.

"In order to make the Wren Chapel less of a faith-specific space, and to make it more welcoming to students, faculty, staff and visitors of all faiths, the cross has been removed from the altar area," Engimann announced in an e-mail to staff.

The cross will be returned to the altar for those who wish to use it for events, services or private prayer.

The cross was in place because of the college's former association with the Anglican Church. Though the college is now nondenominational and became publicly supported in 1906, the room will still be considered a chapel, college officials said.

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Up until a few decades ago, all the stores were closed on Sunday. People were not even inclined to travel on Sunday. Everyone went to church. These were real Christians, who studied and worshipped and prayed together. Not the lazy, backsliding apologists we've become today.

God of Our Fathers By GEORGE F. WILL:

What Allen calls Washington’s “famous gift of silence” was particularly employed regarding religion. But his behavior spoke. He would not kneel to pray, and when his pastor rebuked him for setting a bad example by leaving services before communion, Washington mended his ways in his austere manner: he stayed away from church on communion Sundays. He acknowledged Christianity’s “benign influence” on society, but no ministers were present and no prayers were uttered as he died a Stoic’s death.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   1:33:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Up until a few decades ago, all the stores were closed on Sunday. People were not even inclined to travel on Sunday. Everyone went to church.

I think the stores were closed on Sunday because there were blue laws in place. Some of these were put in place during the Christian revival of the mid 1800s and some came about during the labor reform that took place in the 1880s and then again after WW I. When the blue laws were rescended in the late 1960s Sunday shopping immediately came on line. I don't think it was general holiness that prevented the shopping. Were that the case, it would not be profitable to keep Wall-Mart open on Sunday today.

I could be wrong, but the figures I remember never show church attendance topping about 50%.

But the point isn't whether or not there are Christians in the United States, the question is whether the United States was founded as a Christian Nation. It wasn't and thet's why the effort to pass a constitutional amendment to this effect failed. That's also why the founding fathers clearly stated that this was not a Christian nation in the treaty of tripoli. That is why there is such an thing as the fist Amendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ..". Note that if the United states was founded as a "Christian Nation" Congress, or whoever, would have already made a law "respecting the founding of religion". The words of the fist amendment are plain on their face and 200 years of case law bears out this interpretation.

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...  posted on  2006-10-30   1:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Magna Carta is not mentioned in the Constitution either, but its influence is obvious. So is the influence of Christian men as the signers of the Declaration of Independence.

Sunday was a day of worship, before the blue laws. The blue laws are because of this belief.

No one needed a law not to shop and travel on Sunday, it was a day that Christian America simply observed in worship.

Do you know why there is a morning and then evening service? To allow time for people to go home, have a midday meal a few farm chores; then return to church.

Midweek there was bible study. The majority of Americans went to church. That you don't see this anymore is no reason rewrite history.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   1:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Protestants do not kneel to pray, perhaps he agreed with that group. Not staying to take communion is a very personal reason between a human being and God. The Scripture says not to partake in Holy Communion unless you are spiritually prepared. Maybe he was honoring that, and not ready for whatever personal reason.

You must have never read that Washington was a Christian man of prayer:

http://personal.pitnet.net/primarysources/george.html

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   1:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Magna Carta is not mentioned in the Constitution either, but its influence is obvious. So is the influence of Christian men as the signers of the Declaration of Independence.

For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law, or lex non scripta, and commences that of the statute law, or Lex Scripta. This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here, then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it. If it ever was adopted, therefore, into the common law, it must have been between the introduction of Christianity and the date of the Magna Charta. But of the laws of this period we have a tolerable collection by Lambard and Wilkins, probably not perfect, but neither very defective; and if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents. These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. - Thomas Jefferson's letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, from Monticello, February 10, 1814.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   9:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wonder if anyone actually uses this "chapel"? or if the students care. Ordinarily I wouldn't care much about what this private school does except that I'm so totally sick of the PC crap.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-10-30   9:49:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thomas Jefferson's letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, from Monticello, February 10, 1814.

The Magna Carta was 1215, well after Christianity was introduced, so using Jefferson's logic, Christianity had influence to its inception and influence in the creation of statute law over common law. The common laws of the time were not very fair to the serfs, that's what made the Magna Carta so important.

Thank you for continuing to make my point of the wonderful influence of Christianity on Western Civilization, this nation and the Constitution.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   9:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Magna Carta is not mentioned in the Constitution either, but its influence is obvious. So is the influence of Christian men as the signers of the Declaration of Independence.

I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Charta of our country. -- George Washington, responding to a group of clergymen who complained that the Constitution lacked mention of Jesus Christ, in 1789, Papers, Presidential Series, 4:274, the "Magna-Charta" here refers to the proposed United States Constitution

"Dr. Rush told me (he had it from Asa Green) that when the clergy addressed General Washington, on his departure from the government, it was observed in their consultation that he had never, on any occasion, said a word to the public which showed a belief in the Christian religion, and they thought they should so pen their address as to force him at length to disclose publicly whether he was a Christian or not. However, he observed, the old fox was too cunning for them. He answered every article of their address particularly, except that, which he passed over without notice." -- Thomas Jefferson, quoted from Jefferson's Works, Vol. iv., p. 572. (Asa Green "was probably the Reverend Ashbel Green, who was chaplain to congress during Washington's administration." -- Farrell Till in "The Christian Nation Myth.")

"[Washington was] a total stranger to religious prejudices, which have so often excited Christians of one denomination to cut the throats of those of another." -- John Bell, in 1779, in Paul F Boller, George Washington & Religion, Dallas: Southern Methodist University Press, 1963, p. 118, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner, "Quotations that Support the Separation of State and Church"

"I know that Gouverneur Morris, who claimed to be in his secrets, and believed himself to be so, has often told me that General Washington believed no more in that system [Christianity] than he did." -- Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, February, 1800, quoted from Jefferson's Works, Vol. iv., p. 572 ("Gouverneur Morris was the principal drafter of the Constitution of the United States; he was a member of the Continental Congress, a United States senator from New York, and minister to France. He accepted, to a considerable extent, the skeptical views of French Freethinkers." -- John E Remsberg, Six Historic Americans.)

"I never witnessed his private devotions. I never inquired about them." -- Eleanor "Nellie" Parke Custis Lewis, Martha Washington's granddaughter from a previous marriage, quoted from Sparks' Washingon, also from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, p. 22

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   9:51:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"[Washington was] a total stranger to religious prejudices, which have so often excited Christians of one denomination to cut the throats of those of another." -

That's the bottom line in all of these quotes. It is about equality and tolerance of beliefs that was so important. This is what Christianity allows.

Just go to Israel if you want to see how another Democracy that has no Christianity is devoid of equality and tolerance.

For example:

A Jew cannot marry a non-Jew in Israel.
A Christian cannot become a citizen of Israel.

At the time of Washington, there were many religious prejudices among the individual and distinct Christian denominations (as directly referenced in the quote above).

Washington was trying to avoid all that mess, and he did.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   10:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Magna Carta was 1215,

America uses English Common law which predates Christianity - the Magna Carta is not part of the common law. The magna carta was a deal between nobles and the king on what powers he could have over them - it is not a religous inspired document of law.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   10:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But English Common Law now includes the influence of the Magna Carta and Christianity.

As I pointed out the common laws of the time Jefferson refers to were so inferior, they did not protect the average serf at all. That's why the Magna Carta was so important. And not until 1215, after Christianity had had plenty of time to influence everything.

from Wikipedia about Statute Law, also used by the United States.

A statute is a formal, written law of a country or state, written and enacted by its legislative authority, perhaps to then be ratified by the highest executive in the government, and finally published. Typically, statutes command, prohibit, or declare policy. Statutes are sometimes referred to as legislation or "black letter law."

In many countries, published statutes are organized in topical arrangements called codes, such as the Civil Code of Quebec or the United States Code.

Washington pointedly avoided the inter-denominational infighting among the various Christian groups, as the quotes you posted are evidence.

And why don't you tell me what makes Israel so racist and intolerant if it is a Democracy with a rule of law?

You have stated that afterall you are not a Greek Orthodox, although you certainly led many of us to believe that.

So what do you believe?

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   10:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You have stated that afterall you are not a Greek Orthodox, although you certainly led many of us to believe that.

Do I have to be a worshiper to defend what was done to the Orthodox peoples in by the USA?

I don't understand why also you assume that if I am an Orthodox believer that means I would lie about the nature of the USA like some Protestants do? Or that I want a theocracy? Orthodoxy is against a theocracy - unlike in England where the king/queen is head of the church which is impossible under Orthodoxy or how the pope is king of the Papal States and heads his own govt in the Vatican - forbidden under Orthodoxy or how Calvinists and other Protestant churches ran there own city-states as seen in Switzerland and Germany.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   10:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So what do you believe?

That the USA was not founded on religous principles and was founded to be a secular republic. Something that pissed off the religous folk even then.

"I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Charta of our country." -- George Washington, responding to a group of clergymen who complained that the Constitution lacked mention of Jesus Christ, in 1789, Papers, Presidential Series, 4:274, the "Magna-Charta" here refers to the proposed United States Constitution

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   10:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't understand why also you assume that if I am an Orthodox believer that means I would lie about the nature of the USA like some Protestants do?

The facts do not lie. Your chosen faith or lack of it, may be the reason you fail to see the importance of the influence of Christianity in the foundation of this nation.

Orthodoxy is against a theocracy - unlike in England where the king/queen is head of the church which is impossible under Orthodoxy or how the pope is king of the Papal States and heads his own govt in the Vatican - forbidden under Orthodoxy or how Calvinists and other Protestant churches ran there own city-states as seen in Switzerland and Germany.

Thanks to the American Revolution and the French Revolution monarchies are mere figure-heads today, and the Vatican has no influence over governments today. America is not a theocracy, but Christianity has played a huge part in its very inception and growth.

Those Calvinist and Protestant churches who ran their own city-states in Switzerland and Germany were undoubtedly very fair, equitable, tolerant and safe places to live.

Twice I have mentioned Israel as having a rule of law, a so-called Democracy, yet totally racist and intolerant. Its very laws are racist and intolerant.

You have not answered my question, how that happened.

I will answer it for you. Because Israel's laws are not founded in Christianity. They are influenced by the Torah, which hates anything non-Jew.

Christianity makes a difference, it is that difference that makes Western Civilization and America different, in a good way; not perfect, but you cannot perfection anywhere on this planet.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   10:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That is because these were Christian men who understood that religious freedom should be available to all within our borders. Where did they get that understanding?

Perhaps some history into the intense differences of opinions about the various Christian denominiations at the time would help you understand why Washington avoided taking any sides.

Israel has a rule of law that is racist and intolerant. There is a difference when the laws are written by true Christians, not the Hagees and Robertsons of today.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   10:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Those Calvinist and Protestant churches who ran their own city-states in Switzerland and Germany were undoubtedly very fair, equitable, tolerant and safe places to live.

Twice I have mentioned Israel as having a rule of law, a so-called Democracy, yet totally racist and intolerant. Its very laws are racist and intolerant

Those Calvinist and Protestant churches who ran their own city-states in Switzerland and Germany were undoubtedly very fair, equitable, tolerant and safe places to live???? Except for those they burned at the stake I assume.

As for Israel? I don't get your point? I don't support a theocratic state like Israel and I consider democracies a form of mob rule. Beyond that I don't get how bringing in Israel out of the blue has any bearing on this conversation.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   10:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Perhaps some history into the intense differences of opinions about the various Christian denominiations at the time would help you understand why Washington avoided taking any sides.

Which is why the Founding Fathers gave the boot to you religous impositionists.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   11:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And I mentioned that they were not perfect, but that no place is.

I don't support a theocratic state like Israel and I consider democracies a form of mob rule.

So what form of govt do you admire?

Israel is an example of a democracy that has a rule of law but is intolerant and racist. And I submitted that one difference would be that the laws were written without any Christian influence.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   11:04:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which is why the Founding Fathers gave the boot to you religous impositionists.

I am not a religious impositionist, just the opposite.

You really are missing my point. Among the teachings of Christianity are tolerance, equality of man and free will. These teachings influenced our Constitution.

I should add, that ancient Rome found the ideas of Christianity very radical and not good for their totalitarian government, ruled by a small elite.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   11:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So what form of govt do you admire?

The Constitution of our Founding Fathers - a Constitution not based on religion - which went out if it's way not to include God or the Bible in its formulation.

If you are a nut job that thinks Calvinist Geneva was a just place then you are no better than the Israelis you claim you hate.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   11:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You cannot compare the attitudes and superstitions of people from centuries ago to those of today. Well if you can compare them that shows just how "advanced" that modern nation must actually be.

And again, the reason the Founding Fathers went out of their way not to specify any Christian denomination over another, but to insure religious freedom for all, including future generations, is because they were learned Christians, who understood the teachings of Christianity itself; free will, the equality of man, do unto others as you would have them do unto you (The Golden Rule), etc..

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   11:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Some where Christians some were not. The 'some were not' part is what you deny.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   11:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jefferson was not, but a deist; Washington and most of them were.

And even those who were not, would have had the benefit of early Christian teachings to help form their ideas.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   11:25:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Stop dancing around the issue - you are for the imposition of religious values on people.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   11:31:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Stop dancing around the issue - you are for the imposition of religious values on people.

If by "imposition of religious values" you mean I think that all men are created equal, that all men are equal under that law, that a man has the right to stand before his accuser, and the right to a speedy trial, that torture is morally wrong, that murder is morally wrong, that we all have the right to private property, freedom of speech, to learn to read, etc; yes, these values (religious or otherwise), I would impose on people.

These are also values that Christians hold dear and I gave the example of Israel to make my point that not all democracies believe these values are important to uphold.

Of course, GW Bush has changed all that, we're looking more like Israel everyday. They have 9,000 Palestinians rotting in jail, without any due process. We're new at this, and the Bush govt won't even say how many they have tortured and sent to secret prisons.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   11:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If by "imposition of religious values" you mean

teaching creationisim or having prayer in school.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   12:05:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

teaching creationisim or having prayer in school.

I don't think these should be mandatory, but private schools should be allowed to, of course. I don't see a problem with "a moment of silence", no one is saying how to spend those few minutes. I would prefer that Evolution be taught as a theory, not as fact (which in a way it is, without any other choice).

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   12:19:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here are some good quotes from the founding fathers on this subject:

Can you direct me to the quotes where the founding fathers advocate the removal of crosses from Christian chapels on campuses? What if we were to go into synagogues and mosques on campuses and remove their symbols, turning their houses of worship into 'non-denominational' spaces? They wouldn't mind, would they?

I'm appalled that anyone would agree with this outrage to Christianity, and to religious belief in general, in America.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-30   13:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The West, including America, is determined to commit cultural suicide. There is so much self-loathing among our "intelligentsia" that they really should all just join hands and jump off the Golden Gate Bridge in one mass plunge.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-10-30   14:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The West, including America, is determined to commit cultural suicide.

We committed cultural suicide in 1913. It's taken this long for the corpse to rot.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-30   14:14:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What if we were to go into synagogues and mosques on campuses and remove their symbols, turning their houses of worship into 'non-denominational' spaces? They wouldn't mind, would they?

Nah, it's all for a good cause. I forget what is the purpose?

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-30   14:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What if we were to go into synagogues and mosques on campuses and remove their symbols, turning their houses of worship into 'non-denominational' spaces?

that wouldn't be PC !

christine  posted on  2006-10-30   14:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I would prefer that Evolution be taught as a theory, not as fact (which in a way it is, without any other choice).

Theory in relation to science does not mean a guess.

Like Music theory. Art theory. The theory of gravity.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   15:14:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you direct me to the quotes where the founding fathers advocate the removal of crosses from Christian chapels on campuses?

If it's not my church why should I care? I consider female clergy an abomination before God - you don't see me torching heretical Protestant churches with female priests and bishops do you? (All Protestants are heretics).

Plenty of Protestant churches change with the wind. Their right. None of my business. Thank God.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-30   15:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If it's not my church why should I care?

Dunno. You're all over this thread so you must care on some level. You certainly don't seem to care about Christian chapels being de-Christianized.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   12:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dunno. You're all over this thread so you must care on some level. You certainly don't seem to care about Christian chapels being de-Christianized.

A) I tend not to consider Protestants true Christians so that may be why I don't get all upset also and most importantly - none of my business.

B) I do care if others use these issues to make up a crusade.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   12:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

most importantly - none of my business.

So why are you on this thread?

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   12:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The basic doctrine of Christianity is shared by Protestants, Roman Catholics and Greek Orthodox.

That is, that Christ is God Incarnate, the existence of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity, the virgin birth.

The Vatican acknowledges this shared faith, permitting Protestants to participate in Communion; I don't know about the Orthodox.

There are certainly differences in tradition and interpretation of some Scripture, but not the really important ones that define Christianity.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-31   12:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If it's not my church why should I care?

Dunno. You're all over this thread so you must care on some level. You certainly don't seem to care about Christian chapels being de-Christianized.

He also advocates disunity among Christendom. What's that about if he is not a Christian? He posted he is not Greek Orthodox, so why bother?
And he hates America and he hates Muslims; he has posted so in very strong terms that would have him in trouble if it were another group he was posting about.

Yet this American government that he hates, he backs completely when it comes to the official story about 9/11.

Correct me if I have mischaracterized you Destro.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-31   13:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the official story about 9/11.

When it comes to separating the conditioned sheep from the other barnyard animals, that's the new line of demarcation for me.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   13:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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