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Title: College removes cross – from chapel!
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URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52646
Published: Oct 27, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-10-27 12:39:53 by bluegrass
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The cross from the altar area of the chapel at the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Va., has been removed to ensure the space is seen as a nondenominational area, explains Melissa Engimann, assistant director for Historic Campus. "In order to make the Wren Chapel less of a faith-specific space, and to make it more welcoming to students, faculty, staff and visitors of all faiths, the cross has been removed from the altar area," Engimann announced in an e-mail to staff. The cross will be returned to the altar for those who wish to use it for events, services or private prayer. The cross was in place because of the college's former association with the Anglican Church. Though the college is now nondenominational and became publicly supported in 1906, the room will still be considered a chapel, college officials said.
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#14. To: Destro (#11)
The German Nazis used the genocide and 'ethnic cleansing' of Native Americans as one of the models to plan and execute their genocide and ethnic cleansing of those they found odious. I would keep the museum and make the Shoah exhibit a wing. It needs exhibits showing what happened to 'New World' peoples, and to peoples in all the other corners of the world when their particular 'holocausts' happened. The lesson that the museum teaches is an important one, it just need to be reorganized and changed to show that this is a sort of thing that has happened in different degrees at different times in human history. To make it just cover the Shoah, it sends the false message that what the Nazis did was highly unusual, when in fact, it isn't. The museum is needed because this sort of thing will happen again if we don't use all the tools at our disposal to remember history to keep from repeating it.
You and I know that. The world associates it with Judaism.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
Only if one ignores the purposeful distortion of history to benefit Jewish power in America and the world.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
That's an acceptable compromise to me - a museum dedicated to world wide acts of genocide. America had nothing to do with the Nazi Holocaust and ending it was incidental to the allied war effort. It was created because of ethnic American politics. I don't mean that in the context that Jews control the world - only that the Holocaust is now part of the American Jewish culture and politicians love to curry favors with politically connected minority groups. In other words the museum exists for American political reasons.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
When I was in Los Angeles I went into the old city hall bldg (the one on the cops' badges) and there in the middle of the lobby was a 12 ft high Star of David and a banner that read "The B'nai Brith wishes the people of Los Angeles a Happy Hannukah". As you know the CA ACLU and others are very energetic in pursuit of Christian symbols on public property, and someone wants the city the remove the old mission (with the cross on top) from the decals on the police cars and city vehicles. There's also a monument in San Diego that has to go for the same reason, and even the attempt to donate it to a private org to defeat the effort to "secularize the WW One monument" was over ruled by a federal judge. Edit "people" to "B'nai Brith'
I don't know if any Nazi ever said that but they did openly modeled their laws on the Jews on the American South's Jim Crow laws.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Clarification: they curry favor with those groups that can do them benefit or destroy them. Where's the Black Museum, the Indian Museum or even the Irish Museum in DC? We all know why the "holocaust" museum is in DC. It's the temple in Shushan West.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
I see all people of all races, creeds, and ethnic groups as capable of doing genocide and ethnic cleansing by virtue that so many of all varieties have. And I see nothing wrong with a museum that teaches about that in order to help prevent that from happening again. I don't want to see anyone doing this for any reason. No human has a right to judge themselves better and more fitting to own, run or control things then another. So I support a museum like this one. To make it just cover one episode of the problem only helps compound the problems being addressed though. I just do not see the Jewish people as the monsters or monolith of a source of all human greed and intrigue. They are merely a player that has their saints and scoundrels like anyone else. I see using a group to form wedge issues as a component of the problem the museum should be addressing in more expansive a form. Thus I refuse to make people targets based on their race, creed or ethnic background at all. That horrifies me and my mind absolutely rejects doing that. If someone is exploiting someone through economic games, they should be investigated prosecuted and punished for this. But making their faith or ethnic background a paramount aspect of doing so is flat wrong. Whatever a Jewish banker can do, Goyem bankers can do after the Jewish ones are gone. I see a niche that exists that will be filled regardless of who does the filling as nature abhors a vacuum. The important thing is to get rid of the niche, not pick on the occupants and all others like her or him of the same variety. You are free to not agree, but that is how I see the situation and should be addressed to some extent. Example of how the problem is more complex: Mormons, (who also call non believers Goyem) are very fast building a huge financial empire as a component to what is perceived as an attempt for religious, political and economic hegemony. Many want them slapped down systemically, with all Mormons paying for the sins of the leadership. I am also against this, and just want the scammers and power and capital hungry criminals among them investigated, prosecuted and punished too. Get rid of all Jewish people, a faith like the Mormon one will move in and flesh out where they were in every aspect and endeavor any Jews now are engaged in. I feel you look at the problem in too one dimensional and narrow a manner, you likely feel the same about how I look at this. That's politics for you.
Only an anti-semite would notice such a subtle and inconspicuous thing.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
The Nazis modeled their race laws on the Jewish race laws in the Old Testament.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
Do you also support the purposeful and pointed lies about history that are enshrined in the temple?
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
In Nazi Germany, Jews were prohibited by law from marrying non-Jews. There's only one country in the world that still has this law: Israel.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
I didn't know that. A slight change in the works, but it won't help the rapture monkeys
The Jim Crow laws of the South - including laws against race mixing - were defended by referring to the Old Testament as recently as the 1960s. The Nazi legal system was based on the American Jim Crow laws.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
As you yourself stated that the Jim Crow laws were also based on the OT, it's only logical that the Nazi laws were based on the same older source. It's a pretzel twisting of logic otherwise. Streicher himself says that the Nazi race laws were based on the Mosaic laws.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
BTW, is Jim Crow also the source of Israel's current marriage laws?
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
Which is why our Founding Fathers made this a secular nation.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
That's beside the point. The Nazi race laws were based on Mosaic laws. The followers of that Mosaic law are now ensconced in the power structure of this so-called "secular nation".
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
That's exactly the point of this article - secular republic - see conversation above before you introduced the 'Star of David' into the duscussion.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Who cares? I don't live there. Do you get all upset women can't drive cars in Saudi Arabia? That girls get their labia sliced off in Africa? Mind your business.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
You brought up Jim Crow laws and then you inadverently proved that Jim Crow and the Nazi race laws have the same source. So why should we have a museum in DC dedicated to one group of racists over another?
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
Israel takes so much from America that what they do is my biz. An Israeli runs Homeland Security so it's even more my biz. Mind yours if you're not an American.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
So why should we have a museum in DC dedicated to one group of racists over another? Nutso logic on your part as always - a twister of words and thinking - badly done twisting I may add - I questioned why we need that holocaust museum funded by the taxpayer - then I agreed with Feret Mike that museum of the evils done by Americans (to answer your: So why should we have a museum in DC dedicated to one group of racists over another? ) would be more acceptable than a museum dedicated to the crimes committed by another nation in an episode of history America had little part in.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
What about Saudi Arabia? You can hate them too - they are Semetic after all and also run homeland security and take much $$$ from America.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Well, then, whatcha doing here?
Just kidding, BTW.
I think the article deals with how political correctness overtakes what should be common sense. This college has a historic association with Christianity, ergo the cross in its chapel. The US gov't did not ram a cross into this chapel and promote Christianity as the nation's favorite religion. This cross was in this chapel for how many decades with how many hundreds of students of various denominations coming into the chapel to pray to their own individual Lord, without feeling they were being brow beaten into converting to Protestantism. And now some idiot PC ( or maybe aetheist) desk jockey at W&M is using the excuse of "well this is a tax supported school now" and "well the chapel should be non-denominational because it's all the room we've got for prayer and someone (?) might get offended if we don't make this change"...puhleaze this is so transparent. How can you argue that this obvious PC ploy relates to separation of state and religion...you are better than pushing this type of limp wristed milque toast rationale, destro...
I believe they call us Gentiles, not Goyem. And, if you support this museum in DC, do you also support the mandatory viewing of SCHINDLER'S LIST by all New Jersey public school students at the order of then Gov. Christine Todd Whitman?
If that goddamned snake in the "gardenofEden" hadn't been Jewish, we'd still be in a state of nirvana now.
It's not an example of political correctness - the chapel is being designated for non denominational use - like thousands of such chapels in school and hospitals all over America including the military. Such chapels have no outward signs of religous denomination and symbols are brought ina nd out depending on the services given. This school long ago gave up its denominational links. W&M is not the property of you or the people - they can do whatever they like. This is like me getting upset some Protestnat denominations ordain women while at the same time I am not a Protestant. None of my business.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Enough with the ad hominem.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
Saudi Arabia is as corrupt as Israel and America. The big difference is that a Saudi doesn't run the Federal Reserve and Homeland Security. Americans don't control the money or the Federal police. Two Jews do. Bush's life is literally in Chertoff's hands.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
That is exactly the problem in the minds of those that had this cross removed.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
This is like me getting upset some Protestnat denominations ordain women while at the same time I am not a Protestant. None of my business. This is a taxpayer supported college. W&M is not private; it used to be private but not any longer. It is "our" property. And why are you jumping all over the map with your arguments to support W&M's decision? At first you said that there should be separation between gov't and religion. Now you're claiming this is a private matter even though it says quite clearly in the article that W&M receives taxpayer (gov't) support. "Though the college is now nondenominational and became publicly supported in 1906..."
C'mon, doggie. That movie is 100% true fact and you know it. Hollywood doesn't lie.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
It wasn't a lie but an omission that upset me. Oskar Schindler bribed an official and purchased guns and trained his factory workers in their use, in case the fleeing Joymans decided to slaughter them. This didn't make it into the film because A) much of the organized gun control movement today is funded and driven by non-Christians, particularly those in New York City, and B) it would raise the question of why Jews didn't defend themselves, but allowed one Hitler youth with an unloaded rifle to herd them into box cars?
A good point and one that seems to be lost when the "holocaust" is taught at the various museums. An armed populace is safer from tyranny than an unarmed populace.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
I would keep the museum and make the Shoah exhibit a wing. It needs exhibits showing what happened to 'New World' peoples, and to peoples in all the other corners of the world when their particular 'holocausts' happened. The lesson that the museum teaches is an important one, it just need to be reorganized and changed to show that this is a sort of thing that has happened in different degrees at different times in human history. To make it just cover the Shoah, it sends the false message that what the Nazis did was highly unusual, when in fact, it isn't. The museum is needed because this sort of thing will happen again if we don't use all the tools at our disposal to remember history to keep from repeating it. Hell Mike it's going to happen again no matter how many museums are put up; you can't change human nature and human beings are warlike creatures. In fact it is happening in the Middle East, and other parts of the world that we don't hear much about. If there is one thing I have learned these past few years, it's that people in general can and do behave like monsters. I think your claim about the nazis using the extermination of American Indians as a model is an urban legend of sorts, as the vast majority of Indians died from diseases they had no immunity against, and there was no concrete policy carried out to exterminate Native Americans, it happened over a long period of time, an incident here, incident there, and was not an organized effort. As long as there are people, there will be selfishness, cruelty and cowardly behavior. As this country descends further into dictatorship, look for many cowards to come crawling out of the woodwork (for instance those who rat on others in order to score brownie points with those they perceive as being the powerful ones).
Nice post, Diana. Exactly as you say.
I think you are mistaken. Making the Cherokees walk the Trail of Tears from the Carolinas to Oklahoma may not have been sold as racial extermination but that's pretty much what it accomplished. Killing en masse the "praying" ie Christianized Indians of New England was pretty much the same thing. Handing out smallpox infected blankets as Gen Amherst did was as blatant as it gets. Massacring the families of the tribes encamped in the Palo Duro Canyon was pure genocidal behavior. Take off those rose colored glasses and subscribing to the whitewashing of history. It's nasty.
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#15. To: Lady X (#13)
It's a symbol of the Zionist faith..
#16. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
The lesson that the museum teaches is an important one
#17. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
I would keep the museum and make the Shoah exhibit a wing. It needs exhibits showing what happened to 'New World' peoples, and to peoples in all the other corners of the world when their particular 'holocausts' happened.
#18. To: bluegrass, Lady X (#15)
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The world associates [The Star of David] with Judaism.
#19. To: bluegrass (#12)
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It's a symbol of the Jewish faith. It doesn't belong in a publicly funded building by Jewish reasoning.
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
The German Nazis used the genocide and 'ethnic cleansing' of Native Americans as one of the models to plan and execute their genocide and ethnic cleansing of those they found odious.
#21. To: Destro, Ferret Mike (#17)
the Holocaust is now part of the American Jewish culture and politicians love to curry favors with politically connected minority groups.
#22. To: bluegrass (#16)
"Only if one ignores the purposeful distortion of history to benefit Jewish power in America and the world."
#23. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)
When I was in Los Angeles I went into the old city hall bldg (the one on the cops' badges) and there in the middle of the lobby was a 12 ft high Star of David and a banner that read "The B'nai Brith wishes the people of Los Angeles a Happy Hannukah".
#24. To: Destro (#20)
I don't know if any Nazi ever said that but they did openly modeled their laws on the Jews on the American South's Jim Crow laws.
#25. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
So I support a museum like this one.
#26. To: Destro, Ferret Mike (#20)
#27. To: bluegrass (#26)
In Nazi Germany, Jews were prohibited by law from marrying non-Jews. There's only one country in the world that still has this law: Israel.
#28. To: bluegrass, Ferret Mike (#26)
In Nazi Germany, Jews were prohibited by law from marrying non-Jews. There's only one country in the world that still has this law: Israel.
#29. To: Destro, Ferret Mike, Cynicom (#28)
The Nazi legal system was based on the American Jim Crow laws.
#30. To: Destro, Ferret Mike (#28)
#31. To: bluegrass (#29)
#32. To: Destro (#31)
#33. To: bluegrass (#32)
That's beside the point.
#34. To: bluegrass, Ferret Mike (#30)
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BTW, is Jim Crow also the source of Israel's current marriage laws?
#35. To: Destro (#33)
#36. To: Destro (#34)
Mind your business.
#37. To: bluegrass (#35)
You brought up Jim Crow laws and then you inadverently proved that Jim Crow and the Nazi race laws have the same source.
#38. To: bluegrass (#36)
Israel takes so much from America that what they do is my biz. An Israeli runs Homeland Security so it's even more my biz.
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
I just do not see the Jewish people as the monsters or monolith of a source of all human greed and intrigue
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
#41. To: Destro (#33)
That's exactly the point of this article - secular republic
#42. To: Ferret Mike, bluegrass, christine (#22)
Example of how the problem is more complex: Mormons, (who also call non believers Goyem)
#43. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
#44. To: scrapper2 (#41)
I think the article deals with how political correctness overtakes what should be common sense.
#45. To: Destro (#37)
Nutso
#46. To: Destro (#38)
#47. To: scrapper2 (#41)
This college has a historic association with Christianity
#48. To: Destro (#44)
W&M is not the property of you or the people - they can do whatever they like.
#49. To: HOUNDDAWG, Ferret MIke, christine (#42)
SCHINDLER'S LIST
#50. To: bluegrass (#49)
C'mon, doggie. That movie is 100% true fact and you know it. Hollywood doesn't lie.
#51. To: HOUNDDAWG (#50)
it would raise the question of why Jews didn't defend themselves, but allowed one Hitler youth with an unloaded rifle to herd them into box cars?
#52. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull (#14)
The German Nazis used the genocide and 'ethnic cleansing' of Native Americans as one of the models to plan and execute their genocide and ethnic cleansing of those they found odious.
#53. To: Diana (#52)
#54. To: Diana (#52)
there was no concrete policy carried out to exterminate Native Americans,
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