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Title: College removes cross – from chapel!
Source: WND
URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52646
Published: Oct 27, 2006
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2006-10-27 12:39:53 by bluegrass
Ping List: *New History*
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Comments: 252

The cross from the altar area of the chapel at the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Va., has been removed to ensure the space is seen as a nondenominational area, explains Melissa Engimann, assistant director for Historic Campus.

"In order to make the Wren Chapel less of a faith-specific space, and to make it more welcoming to students, faculty, staff and visitors of all faiths, the cross has been removed from the altar area," Engimann announced in an e-mail to staff.

The cross will be returned to the altar for those who wish to use it for events, services or private prayer.

The cross was in place because of the college's former association with the Anglican Church. Though the college is now nondenominational and became publicly supported in 1906, the room will still be considered a chapel, college officials said.

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The basic doctrine of Christianity is shared by Protestants, Roman Catholics and Greek Orthodox.

That is, that Christ is God Incarnate, the existence of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity, the virgin birth.

The Vatican acknowledges this shared faith, permitting Protestants to participate in Communion; I don't know about the Orthodox.

There are certainly differences in tradition and interpretation of some Scripture, but not the really important ones that define Christianity.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-31   12:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If it's not my church why should I care?

Dunno. You're all over this thread so you must care on some level. You certainly don't seem to care about Christian chapels being de-Christianized.

He also advocates disunity among Christendom. What's that about if he is not a Christian? He posted he is not Greek Orthodox, so why bother?
And he hates America and he hates Muslims; he has posted so in very strong terms that would have him in trouble if it were another group he was posting about.

Yet this American government that he hates, he backs completely when it comes to the official story about 9/11.

Correct me if I have mischaracterized you Destro.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-31   13:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the official story about 9/11.

When it comes to separating the conditioned sheep from the other barnyard animals, that's the new line of demarcation for me.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   13:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It could mean even more than that.

Did you catch this Madsen report?

Lani Kass: Israeli Defense Force veteran heading up Air Force Cyberpace warriors. (WMR)

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-31   13:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yet this American government that he hates, he backs completely when it comes to the official story about 9/11.

Correct me if I have mischaracterized you Destro.

Wrong on all counts.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   13:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wrong on all counts.

How so?

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-31   14:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't hate America - I hate her foreign policy (see Kosovo and Bosnia) and in some cases how she has strayed from her constitution where so called conservatives like you actually want the govt involved in some areas but not involved in others. Basically, you types what the govt on your side and when its not on your side advocating your position then you bitch about govt interference.

I don't accept the whole govt story on 9/11 - I just scoff at the notion of a Rube Goldberg like conspiracy where there is coordination between the flights and a whole ground team of demolition experts who prepped the sight with explosives days or hours in advance. That's an example of limited American intellect not able to grasp how the real world works.

I try not to hate Muslims but what's to like? Their whole belief system is alien to my classical Western sensibilities and they are hostile to the way the West thinks - while other alien cultures like Hinduisim for example and Japanese Shintoisim seem to co-exist fine with the West.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   14:15:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He also advocates disunity among Christendom. What's that about if he is not a Christian?

What Christians? American Christians who did what they did to Serbia? That back Turkey over Greek Cyprus? Those Christians? I am sure you guys are the exception - sorry in America the exception is not the rule.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   14:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't accept the whole govt story on 9/11 - I just scoff at the notion of a Rube Goldberg like conspiracy where there is coordination between the flights and a whole ground team of demolition experts who prepped the sight with explosives days or hours in advance. That's an example of limited American intellect not able to grasp how the real world works.

We've been over this and you could not disprove any of the evidence presented on any of the 9/11 threads.

how she has strayed from her constitution where so called conservatives like you actually want the govt involved in some areas but not involved in others.

I want the government involved only as far as the Constitution allows, which is some but not much. Labels don't mean much anymore.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-31   14:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We've been over this and you could not disprove any of the evidence presented on any of the 9/11 threads.

1) You can't prove a negative.

2) You guys have not proved a thing - where are your court cases? If your evidence is good enough go to court and charge the govt with wrongful death and get a jury of your peers to agree or rise up and start killing the govt men.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   14:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1) You can't prove a negative.

It's not about proving negatives. There's no evidence to back up the original claims of 19 Arabs hijacking planes.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   14:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There's no evidence to back up the original claims of 19 Arabs hijacking planes.

Why not? I saw America training and arming thousands of jihadi Muslims in the 90s so they can do their master's bidding.

See Bosnia and Kosovo (where the 9/11 Muslims organized from with help from MI6 and the CIA and Pentagon).

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   15:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Then post the hard evidence of 19 Arabs hijacking planes on 9/11. It should be easy to do.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   15:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Then post the hard evidence of 19 Arabs hijacking planes on 9/11. It should be easy to do.

Prove they were not.

Like I said I accept the hypothesis of collusion between the CIA and al-Qaeda. I accept that 9/11 was either a collusion (they worked with al-Qaeda) or omission (it was allowed to happen) or blow-back.

You on the other hand are a deluded dogmatist who thinks he has all the inside knowledge by virtue of some sort of psychic osmosis of fact you have no first hand knowledge about.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   15:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Prove they were not.

You just contradicted yourself. Gain a little consistency and you'll be worth debating.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   15:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You just contradicted yourself. Gain a little consistency and you'll be worth debating.

Pray tell show me where. I am used to the prattling of dim witted Americans - I relish this opportunity for one to show me up.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   15:29:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In post #223, you stated: "You can't prove a negative" and then you asked that a negative be proven.

A little consistency would serve you well.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   15:32:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Pray tell show me where. I am used to the prattling of dim witted Americans - I relish this opportunity for one to show me up.

Several posters have many times on several threads.

Your cartoon identity was also revealed.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-31   15:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In post #223, you stated: "You can't prove a negative" and then you asked that a negative be proven.

A little consistency would serve you well.

Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is usually the right one.

Evidence does exist which I am sure you do not accept of Arabs in the airplanes.

The communication with air traffic controllers by the Arabs, the video from the security cameras showing them at the airport.

I am sure that you will find reasons enough to reject such facts but what that is not a sign of no evidence - just evidence you discount.

On the other hand you have nothing to indicate that what took the place on those airplanes to make them act as they did - unless you delve into robot planes and such.

Americans are not a bright people - hence their being butchered in Iraq.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   15:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The simplest explanation is usually the right one.

There's no video from Logan. None. Please post all the links to video that you know of. You'd be the first person to be able to find any video from the primary airports.

Address the issue of why you insist that others debate in a manner that you're not willing to also follow.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   15:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sorry, Occam's Razor still slices to ribbons your robot airplane theory.

Come up with something that trumps Occam's razor if you can.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   15:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Invoking Occam's razor after a blatant self-contradiction is lame.

Take the beam out of your eye before trying to tell me what's wrong with my sight.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   15:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Americans are not a bright people - hence their being butchered in Iraq.

The Bush Cabal is full of idiots, especially in Cheney's office; they're NeoConservatives who sprang from Straussian Trotskyites. Wolfowitz promised it would be a cake walk that would require just a few troops, since our troops would be welcomed as liberators. That's the NeoCons that are running this war, not the American people, the polls show the people want out of this war.

That the WTC was a demolition is the simplest explanation. Pancaking buildings do not fall at that rate. They fell into their own footprint, there are even variously sourced videos showing the typical squibs known to the industry. But then, this has been explained to you many times now.

It looks just like a demolition. That's the simplest answer.

And then there's Lucky Larry Silverstein.

Plenty of motive too. The NeoCons published how much they wanted "a new Pearl Harbor" event to justify all their wars.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-31   15:59:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That the WTC was a demolition is the simplest explanation.

Only if you are ignorant.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   16:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's not even a logical answer, but it's all you have just personal attacks.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-31   16:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Invoking Occam's razor after a blatant self-contradiction is lame.

Ah, yes - dogma as science.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   16:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I try not to hate Muslims but what's to like? Their whole belief system is alien to my classical Western sensibilities and they are hostile to the way the West thinks - while other alien cultures like Hinduisim for example and Japanese Shintoisim seem to co-exist fine with the West.

All of what you speak there is more a matter of culture than religion.

People tend to impose their cultural values onto their religion.

Diana  posted on  2006-10-31   16:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

dogma

Is dogma how you justify holding one standard for everyone but yourself?

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   16:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

personal attacks.

That's all that's left when reason is gone.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-10-31   16:09:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Very logical answer to anyone who thinks demolition work on that scale is easy and can be camouflaged and set off with Rube Goldberg like precision timing.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   16:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

American Christians who did what they did to Serbia?

Many Americans were outraged over what happened to Serbia, and American Christianity had nothing to do with it as the Albanians were some sort of Muslim.

Diana  posted on  2006-10-31   16:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yet, America is still enforcing the loss of Kosovo on the Serbian Christians in favor of Albanian gangster Muslims. And you left out American support for Turkey still over the Greek Cypriots.

So spare me. America has no moral leg to stand on. This is a nation of butchers who butcher.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-31   16:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The communication with air traffic controllers by the Arabs, the video from the security cameras showing them at the airport.

I saw those pictures too where they had the real Mohammad Atta and another guy at the airport. Funny how small and gentle he looked compared to the monster wearing eyeliner with the massive jaw/chin we all saw who was identified as Mohammad Atta in that now famous picture that appeared shortly after 911.

Diana  posted on  2006-10-31   16:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There's no video from Logan. None. Please post all the links to video that you know of. You'd be the first person to be able to find any video from the primary airports.

I saw some pictures of the real Mohammad Atta at an airport, he was with another guy, but I don't know which airport now. I've seen a few pictures of the real guy and he looks nothing like the scary-looking guy we are all now so familiar with.

Diana  posted on  2006-10-31   16:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It looks like I will have to go hunting for Mohommad Atta pictures now.

Diana  posted on  2006-10-31   16:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That was in Portland, Maine.

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

"At temperatures above 800º C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7."-http://www.911research.net

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-31   16:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Buildings are demolished with that timing all the time. Yes it takes lots of preparation and there is eyewitness testimony to just such a possibility.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-31   16:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I would never want to be associated with bad acts commited by whites just because I am white.

No one's associated you personally with any bad acts.

Don't be so touchy. These are facts, or not, as your POV may be.

Though considering how any Israeli or Jew gets slammed here, that's a pretty funny comment.

I mean, aren't Jews white after all? To go off on a tangent ;>

swarthyguy  posted on  2006-11-03   12:54:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jews are individuals first like the rest of us, and should also be judged as individuals and not be held responsible for past acts by other Jews they never knew.

Diana  posted on  2006-11-03   17:26:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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