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Title: Free Stater faces year in Jail for standing up to the theft of private property by the U.S. Government via the 'new Eminent Domain' standard Source: http://www.nhfree.com/ URL Source: http://www.nhfree.com/ Published: Oct 29, 2006 Author: Activist Post Date: 2006-10-29 12:19:06 by Ferret Mike Keywords: NoneViews: 308 Comments: 28
Lauren Canario Arrest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaITPIRHJ3c NEW LONDON, Conn, Oct. 23, 2006 - After serving 31 days in prison, Free State Project member Lauren Canario of New London was ordered at yesterday's hearing to be held indefinitely pending a future trial. Canario was arrested on Sept. 22 for refusing to leave one of the properties seized in the controversial Kelo vs. New London decision, in which the Supreme Court ruled that government can take homes and give the land to private corporations. Anti-eminent-domain protestors held "Free Lauren Canario" signs at the city jail after she was arrested for sitting down in an attempt to prevent the boarding up of Fort Trumbull homes. The neighborhood was recently seized by the City of New London. She has been held for the past month pending a hearing and she is refusing to be represented by a lawyer. Protesters arrived early Monday to support Canario. But, according to Free State Project member Kat Kanning, "They told us she wouldn't be brought in until 2 p.m., so we went out until about 1:30 p.m. When we came back, it was done and no one got to see her." 10-year-old protester William asked his father, "Why would they trick us like that, Dad?" Video of last month's arrest shows two police officers dragging her away, leaving her on her knees in the street at one point, then forcing her into a police vehicle. In a Sept. 21 phone call, New London City Police Lt. Ackley claimed that Canario "victimized" him by refusing to cooperate. "I hurt my back when I had to drag her off the floor," he said. After the arrest, Judge Kevin P. McMahon ordered an evaluation of Canario's mental competence and raised her bond from $5,000 to $20,000. Recently, she was found competent to stand trial, and today she was ordered held until an unknown future trial date, sometime within the next year. The Connecticut jail system received global attention two weeks ago when Human Rights Watch censured the state, in a 20-page report, for using police attack dogs to force people from their cells. "Corrections officials in Connecticut and Iowa insist the use of attack dogs is justified because they deter prisoner misconduct and reduce staff injuries," the report said. "But 45 other states and the Federal Bureau of Prisons reject their views." Canario was also arrested during a public town meeting in September of 2005 after city officials refused to let voters into the room. Canario refused to leave the stairwell leading to the meeting room. For several weeks, she left the court, judge, and police in disarray while refusing to speak or walk as ordered. "I don't know what to do with this," Judge Hillary Strackbein said during Canario's second silent court appearance last year. Canario was eventually released and sentenced to time served. Fort Trumbull residents were forced to leave their homes after the New London Development Corporation seized the properties with the June 2005 approval of the U.S. Supreme Court. The case received global publicity at the time, and supporters across the country rallied to help, but failed to stop the city's property confiscations. The remaining families moved out of their homes in August, and the city has apparently left the abandoned neighborhood standing for the foreseeable future. Canario was on the porch of one of these properties reading a book when police arrested her. The property's ownership status was in limbo at the time; the owner had sold to the authorities but still had a transition phase ahead of him. She had his permission to be there but not that of the authorities who forced him to sell it. The Free State Project is an organization attempting to draw pro-liberty activists to New Hampshire. Canario and her husband are members who divide their time between New London, CT and Winchester, NH. Poster Comment:Stealing private property because corporations and capitalists can make more money on it for the state in taxes and revenue for business is classic corporate fascism. Without private property right respected profoundly, we are mere slaves or serfs, at best occasionally humored and tolerated by the system.
Lauren Canario Arrest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaITPIRHJ3c
NEW LONDON, Conn, Oct. 23, 2006 - After serving 31 days in prison, Free State Project member Lauren Canario of New London was ordered at yesterday's hearing to be held indefinitely pending a future trial.
Canario was arrested on Sept. 22 for refusing to leave one of the properties seized in the controversial Kelo vs. New London decision, in which the Supreme Court ruled that government can take homes and give the land to private corporations.
Anti-eminent-domain protestors held "Free Lauren Canario" signs at the city jail after she was arrested for sitting down in an attempt to prevent the boarding up of Fort Trumbull homes. The neighborhood was recently seized by the City of New London. She has been held for the past month pending a hearing and she is refusing to be represented by a lawyer.
Protesters arrived early Monday to support Canario. But, according to Free State Project member Kat Kanning, "They told us she wouldn't be brought in until 2 p.m., so we went out until about 1:30 p.m. When we came back, it was done and no one got to see her." 10-year-old protester William asked his father, "Why would they trick us like that, Dad?"
Video of last month's arrest shows two police officers dragging her away, leaving her on her knees in the street at one point, then forcing her into a police vehicle. In a Sept. 21 phone call, New London City Police Lt. Ackley claimed that Canario "victimized" him by refusing to cooperate. "I hurt my back when I had to drag her off the floor," he said.
After the arrest, Judge Kevin P. McMahon ordered an evaluation of Canario's mental competence and raised her bond from $5,000 to $20,000. Recently, she was found competent to stand trial, and today she was ordered held until an unknown future trial date, sometime within the next year.
The Connecticut jail system received global attention two weeks ago when Human Rights Watch censured the state, in a 20-page report, for using police attack dogs to force people from their cells. "Corrections officials in Connecticut and Iowa insist the use of attack dogs is justified because they deter prisoner misconduct and reduce staff injuries," the report said. "But 45 other states and the Federal Bureau of Prisons reject their views."
Canario was also arrested during a public town meeting in September of 2005 after city officials refused to let voters into the room. Canario refused to leave the stairwell leading to the meeting room. For several weeks, she left the court, judge, and police in disarray while refusing to speak or walk as ordered. "I don't know what to do with this," Judge Hillary Strackbein said during Canario's second silent court appearance last year. Canario was eventually released and sentenced to time served.
Fort Trumbull residents were forced to leave their homes after the New London Development Corporation seized the properties with the June 2005 approval of the U.S. Supreme Court. The case received global publicity at the time, and supporters across the country rallied to help, but failed to stop the city's property confiscations. The remaining families moved out of their homes in August, and the city has apparently left the abandoned neighborhood standing for the foreseeable future.
Canario was on the porch of one of these properties reading a book when police arrested her. The property's ownership status was in limbo at the time; the owner had sold to the authorities but still had a transition phase ahead of him. She had his permission to be there but not that of the authorities who forced him to sell it.
The Free State Project is an organization attempting to draw pro-liberty activists to New Hampshire. Canario and her husband are members who divide their time between New London, CT and Winchester, NH.
Poster Comment:
Stealing private property because corporations and capitalists can make more money on it for the state in taxes and revenue for business is classic corporate fascism. Without private property right respected profoundly, we are mere slaves or serfs, at best occasionally humored and tolerated by the system.
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#1. To: Ferret Mike, *Eminent Domain* (#0) Most Profound Man in Iraq An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you." robin posted on 2006-10-29 12:22:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #2. To: Ferret Mike (#0) In a Sept. 21 phone call, New London City Police Lt. Ackley claimed that Canario "victimized" him by refusing to cooperate. "I hurt my back when I had to drag her off the floor," he said. Wouldn't it be a damned shame if that "brave public servant" ended up getting hit by an 18-wheeler during a traffic stop? "First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk." orangedog posted on 2006-10-29 12:24:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #3. To: orangedog (#2) It would be just like someone like that to delay the flow of commerce by making it necessary to clean and repair a truck in to process of making money for a corporation in order to help them and the government be strong enough to conduct normal animal husbandry as they tend to their flock of humans once called citizens and owners of this country. /sarcasm Ferret Mike posted on 2006-10-29 12:28:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #4. To: Ferret Mike (#3) t would be just like someone like that to delay the flow of commerce by making it necessary to clean and repair a truck... Trains used to have cattle-catchers mounted to the front of them. Maybe we could come up with pig-catcher for the trucking industry. "First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk." orangedog posted on 2006-10-29 12:34:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #5. To: orangedog (#4) (Edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVdH1G0KQt4 Watch the above video also found at this 4UM thread; http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=38227&Disp=89#C89 I myself have been arrested for doing 'cop watch' in Eugene and had a pig by the name of Larry Crompton blow in my ear to try to get me to break from the modality of passive resistance Lauren Canario uses in her arrest. Not to mention hopefully accrue a charge of resisting arrest on top of trespassing for unknowingly walking on the part of the sidewalk that belonged to a business in the course of being an observer of a sweep of 'vagrants' just before parent's week at the University of Oregon. This stuff makes me livid with anger. I read the comments in youtube. com concerning this woman's arrest calling her a foul trespasser and it truly pisses me off. Patrick Henry said; "Give me Liberty, or give me death," and people with the same feelings today are having people just as oppressed as they are saying, "Sure," and going after them because the system gives them chump change to be the whores of oppression and lets them wear guns and really neat little badges too. She is a trespasser and the government that steals this land to award it to capital investment projects aren't? We have some people in this country with really screwed up priorities and are ignorant dupes as they enable this once proud, free country's slide into fascism. Ferret Mike posted on 2006-10-29 12:48:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #6. To: Ferret Mike (#5) Read the comments in youtube. com concerning this woman's arrest calling her a foul trespasser and it pisses me off. They'll change their tune when it is THEIR property being seized. Of course; that will NEVER happen. Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org who knows what evil posted on 2006-10-29 12:53:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #7. To: who knows what evil, IndieTX (#6) I love the look of dazed outrage when a smug enabler becomes a victim of the same oppression they had been lauding. Of course one must welcome the convert into the ranks of those getting the religion concerning the new American Fascism, but you are not human if you can't enjoy an, "I told you so" every now and then. Ferret Mike posted on 2006-10-29 13:25:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #8. To: Ferret Mike (#7) Of course one must welcome the convert into the ranks of those getting the religion concerning the new American Fascism, but you are not human if you can't enjoy an, "I told you so" every now and then. That is so true. :-) Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org who knows what evil posted on 2006-10-29 14:01:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #9. To: Ferret Mike (#0) After the arrest, Judge Kevin P. McMahon ordered an evaluation of Canario's mental competence and raised her bond from $5,000 to $20,000. Challenge the Nazis and you're called "insane..."..a very typical NAZI tactic. Law Enforcement Against Prohibition IndieTX posted on 2006-10-29 14:03:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #10. To: orangedog (#2) Wouldn't it be a damned shame if that "brave public servant" ended up getting hit by an 18-wheeler during a traffic stop? If you can find an 18-wheeler, I'm not doing anything of importance for now. ;0) The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal. James Fenimore Cooper BTP Holdings posted on 2006-10-29 14:10:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #11. To: orangedog (#4) Trains used to have cattle-catchers mounted to the front of them. Maybe we could come up with pig-catcher for the trucking industry. They do, sort of. Trucks up north have tubular bumbers on the front of the tractor since there are so many accidents with deer. It keeps these flimsy fiberglass hoods on the tractors from crumbling. The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal. James Fenimore Cooper BTP Holdings posted on 2006-10-29 14:13:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #12. To: Ferret Mike (#0) First, you need to lose the notion that you actually can own property. You can have a house and lands paid off, and the second you don't pay your property taxes, it can be seized, and taken from you. Your car, if your tags aren't up to date, can be towed, impounded and auctioned off. Your bank accounts, on a whim can be seized, all your assets forfeited. The idea that you as a citizen, a private individual have any rights what so ever, is an illusion. Sorry Mike, but we're all serfs and slaves.
Most Profound Man in Iraq An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."
robin posted on 2006-10-29 12:22:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
In a Sept. 21 phone call, New London City Police Lt. Ackley claimed that Canario "victimized" him by refusing to cooperate. "I hurt my back when I had to drag her off the floor," he said. Wouldn't it be a damned shame if that "brave public servant" ended up getting hit by an 18-wheeler during a traffic stop?
In a Sept. 21 phone call, New London City Police Lt. Ackley claimed that Canario "victimized" him by refusing to cooperate. "I hurt my back when I had to drag her off the floor," he said.
Wouldn't it be a damned shame if that "brave public servant" ended up getting hit by an 18-wheeler during a traffic stop?
"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk."
orangedog posted on 2006-10-29 12:24:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
It would be just like someone like that to delay the flow of commerce by making it necessary to clean and repair a truck in to process of making money for a corporation in order to help them and the government be strong enough to conduct normal animal husbandry as they tend to their flock of humans once called citizens and owners of this country. /sarcasm
Ferret Mike posted on 2006-10-29 12:28:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
t would be just like someone like that to delay the flow of commerce by making it necessary to clean and repair a truck... Trains used to have cattle-catchers mounted to the front of them. Maybe we could come up with pig-catcher for the trucking industry.
t would be just like someone like that to delay the flow of commerce by making it necessary to clean and repair a truck...
Trains used to have cattle-catchers mounted to the front of them. Maybe we could come up with pig-catcher for the trucking industry.
orangedog posted on 2006-10-29 12:34:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVdH1G0KQt4 Watch the above video also found at this 4UM thread; http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=38227&Disp=89#C89 I myself have been arrested for doing 'cop watch' in Eugene and had a pig by the name of Larry Crompton blow in my ear to try to get me to break from the modality of passive resistance Lauren Canario uses in her arrest. Not to mention hopefully accrue a charge of resisting arrest on top of trespassing for unknowingly walking on the part of the sidewalk that belonged to a business in the course of being an observer of a sweep of 'vagrants' just before parent's week at the University of Oregon. This stuff makes me livid with anger. I read the comments in youtube. com concerning this woman's arrest calling her a foul trespasser and it truly pisses me off. Patrick Henry said; "Give me Liberty, or give me death," and people with the same feelings today are having people just as oppressed as they are saying, "Sure," and going after them because the system gives them chump change to be the whores of oppression and lets them wear guns and really neat little badges too. She is a trespasser and the government that steals this land to award it to capital investment projects aren't? We have some people in this country with really screwed up priorities and are ignorant dupes as they enable this once proud, free country's slide into fascism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVdH1G0KQt4
Watch the above video also found at this 4UM thread;
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=38227&Disp=89#C89
I myself have been arrested for doing 'cop watch' in Eugene and had a pig by the name of Larry Crompton blow in my ear to try to get me to break from the modality of passive resistance Lauren Canario uses in her arrest. Not to mention hopefully accrue a charge of resisting arrest on top of trespassing for unknowingly walking on the part of the sidewalk that belonged to a business in the course of being an observer of a sweep of 'vagrants' just before parent's week at the University of Oregon.
This stuff makes me livid with anger. I read the comments in youtube. com concerning this woman's arrest calling her a foul trespasser and it truly pisses me off.
Patrick Henry said; "Give me Liberty, or give me death," and people with the same feelings today are having people just as oppressed as they are saying, "Sure," and going after them because the system gives them chump change to be the whores of oppression and lets them wear guns and really neat little badges too.
She is a trespasser and the government that steals this land to award it to capital investment projects aren't? We have some people in this country with really screwed up priorities and are ignorant dupes as they enable this once proud, free country's slide into fascism.
Ferret Mike posted on 2006-10-29 12:48:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Read the comments in youtube. com concerning this woman's arrest calling her a foul trespasser and it pisses me off. They'll change their tune when it is THEIR property being seized. Of course; that will NEVER happen.
Read the comments in youtube. com concerning this woman's arrest calling her a foul trespasser and it pisses me off.
They'll change their tune when it is THEIR property being seized. Of course; that will NEVER happen.
who knows what evil posted on 2006-10-29 12:53:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I love the look of dazed outrage when a smug enabler becomes a victim of the same oppression they had been lauding. Of course one must welcome the convert into the ranks of those getting the religion concerning the new American Fascism, but you are not human if you can't enjoy an, "I told you so" every now and then.
Ferret Mike posted on 2006-10-29 13:25:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Of course one must welcome the convert into the ranks of those getting the religion concerning the new American Fascism, but you are not human if you can't enjoy an, "I told you so" every now and then. That is so true. :-)
Of course one must welcome the convert into the ranks of those getting the religion concerning the new American Fascism, but you are not human if you can't enjoy an, "I told you so" every now and then.
That is so true. :-)
who knows what evil posted on 2006-10-29 14:01:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
After the arrest, Judge Kevin P. McMahon ordered an evaluation of Canario's mental competence and raised her bond from $5,000 to $20,000. Challenge the Nazis and you're called "insane..."..a very typical NAZI tactic.
After the arrest, Judge Kevin P. McMahon ordered an evaluation of Canario's mental competence and raised her bond from $5,000 to $20,000.
Challenge the Nazis and you're called "insane..."..a very typical NAZI tactic.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
IndieTX posted on 2006-10-29 14:03:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Wouldn't it be a damned shame if that "brave public servant" ended up getting hit by an 18-wheeler during a traffic stop? If you can find an 18-wheeler, I'm not doing anything of importance for now. ;0)
If you can find an 18-wheeler, I'm not doing anything of importance for now. ;0)
The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal. James Fenimore Cooper
BTP Holdings posted on 2006-10-29 14:10:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Trains used to have cattle-catchers mounted to the front of them. Maybe we could come up with pig-catcher for the trucking industry. They do, sort of. Trucks up north have tubular bumbers on the front of the tractor since there are so many accidents with deer. It keeps these flimsy fiberglass hoods on the tractors from crumbling.
They do, sort of. Trucks up north have tubular bumbers on the front of the tractor since there are so many accidents with deer. It keeps these flimsy fiberglass hoods on the tractors from crumbling.
BTP Holdings posted on 2006-10-29 14:13:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
First, you need to lose the notion that you actually can own property. You can have a house and lands paid off, and the second you don't pay your property taxes, it can be seized, and taken from you. Your car, if your tags aren't up to date, can be towed, impounded and auctioned off. Your bank accounts, on a whim can be seized, all your assets forfeited. The idea that you as a citizen, a private individual have any rights what so ever, is an illusion. Sorry Mike, but we're all serfs and slaves.
The idea that you as a citizen, a private individual have any rights what so ever, is an illusion.
Sorry Mike, but we're all serfs and slaves.
TommyTheMadArtist posted on 2006-10-29 15:39:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
"Sorry Mike, but we're all serfs and slaves." Agreed. A down on his luck friend of mine had his car towed for "storage on the street" and couldn't pay the tow, ticket and daily 20 impound fee, so they converted the title, an insider bought the car for a dollar, and the approximately 1000 dollar cost and fee tab was put on his credit report. The process server never found him, but he has lost his car and his credit rating is again in the toilet. In fact, as he gets his mail at my office the oinker came here looking for him. I said "I think you'd better leave." and did the rhetorical merry go round with the oinker. I also told him he was fat as the average jailer at the Lane County Jail, and asked him how it felt to be so big they'd have to do his portrait in 1/24th scale to fit it on the broad side of a barn. I don't think he likes me much.
"Sorry Mike, but we're all serfs and slaves."
Agreed. A down on his luck friend of mine had his car towed for "storage on the street" and couldn't pay the tow, ticket and daily 20 impound fee, so they converted the title, an insider bought the car for a dollar, and the approximately 1000 dollar cost and fee tab was put on his credit report.
The process server never found him, but he has lost his car and his credit rating is again in the toilet. In fact, as he gets his mail at my office the oinker came here looking for him. I said "I think you'd better leave." and did the rhetorical merry go round with the oinker.
I also told him he was fat as the average jailer at the Lane County Jail, and asked him how it felt to be so big they'd have to do his portrait in 1/24th scale to fit it on the broad side of a barn.
I don't think he likes me much.
Ferret Mike posted on 2006-10-29 15:49:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
You know, I'm beginning to think you're pretty cool Mike.
TommyTheMadArtist posted on 2006-10-29 15:53:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
As I ride my bicycle everywhere and dress counterculturish I occasionally have a young one stop me. They always want me to sit on the curb. I always say kiss my ass, call your sergeant. They always get angry and call in back-up saying a 'perp' who IDs himself as an Earth First! terrorist is causing problems. (I say that too, you get such nice red little faces and hyperventilation out of that line.) As all the older cops know me, the supervisor gets out of his car and says, "Hello Mike, how are you today?" They tell the youngster I am non-violent and a wise ass and to leave me be. It is great fun, but something I'd never do where I am not well known. Ah, the perks of home turf. ;-D
(I say that too, you get such nice red little faces and hyperventilation out of that line.)
As all the older cops know me, the supervisor gets out of his car and says, "Hello Mike, how are you today?" They tell the youngster I am non-violent and a wise ass and to leave me be.
It is great fun, but something I'd never do where I am not well known. Ah, the perks of home turf. ;-D
Ferret Mike posted on 2006-10-29 15:56:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
First, you need to lose the notion that you actually can own property. You can have a house and lands paid off, and the second you don't pay your property taxes, it can be seized, and taken from you. The second sentence is the key to the reason of truth for the first sentence.. Look at this legal scenario. If I give a note to my son to take to the grocery store that says "Greg, please let Bobbie have a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread, and I'll pay you next time I'm in the store. Joe Sixpack"; and Greg does it - legally, who is the owner of the milk and bread while Bobbie is on the way home with it? The answer (and it will hold up in any court in America) is ME, because I am the ISSUER of the note!!!! Greg is no longer the legal owner, because he agreed to take the note on it's terms. Bobbie is not the owner, he is merely the agent for me - the note issuer. When you "pay" for something, you use Federal Reserve Notes - a debt NOTE issued by the Federal Reserve... LEGALLY, you are nothing more than an agent for the Federal Reserve, and the purchase actually belongs to them!!! They will allow you use of THIER property, so long as you pay "rent" (via property taxes), but have no problem reclaiming THIER property the moment you become delinquent.
First, you need to lose the notion that you actually can own property. You can have a house and lands paid off, and the second you don't pay your property taxes, it can be seized, and taken from you.
The second sentence is the key to the reason of truth for the first sentence..
Look at this legal scenario. If I give a note to my son to take to the grocery store that says "Greg, please let Bobbie have a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread, and I'll pay you next time I'm in the store. Joe Sixpack"; and Greg does it - legally, who is the owner of the milk and bread while Bobbie is on the way home with it? The answer (and it will hold up in any court in America) is ME, because I am the ISSUER of the note!!!! Greg is no longer the legal owner, because he agreed to take the note on it's terms. Bobbie is not the owner, he is merely the agent for me - the note issuer.
When you "pay" for something, you use Federal Reserve Notes - a debt NOTE issued by the Federal Reserve... LEGALLY, you are nothing more than an agent for the Federal Reserve, and the purchase actually belongs to them!!! They will allow you use of THIER property, so long as you pay "rent" (via property taxes), but have no problem reclaiming THIER property the moment you become delinquent.
"Give me liberty, or give me death!" - Patrick Henry
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Ben Franklin
innieway posted on 2006-10-29 16:00:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Ah, the perks of home turf. ;-D WOW. How on Earth do you manage these antics with your busy schedule sitting in tree-tops?
Ah, the perks of home turf. ;-D
WOW. How on Earth do you manage these antics with your busy schedule sitting in tree-tops?
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
buckeroo posted on 2006-10-29 16:13:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I also told him he was fat as the average jailer at the Lane County Jail, and asked him how it felt to be so big they'd have to do his portrait in 1/24th scale to fit it on the broad side of a barn. i'm amused.
i'm amused.
christine posted on 2006-10-29 17:03:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Wouldn't it be a damned shame if that "brave public servant" ended up getting hit by an 18-wheeler during a traffic stop? i like the way you think. :P
i like the way you think. :P
christine posted on 2006-10-29 17:13:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
i like the way you think. :P I'm glad someone does....
I'm glad someone does....
orangedog posted on 2006-10-29 18:50:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
First, you need to lose the notion that you actually can own property. You can have a house and lands paid off, and the second you don't pay your property taxes, it can be seized, and taken from you. Your car, if your tags aren't up to date, can be towed, impounded and auctioned off. Your bank accounts, on a whim can be seized, all your assets forfeited. That was my thought too. There is no such thing as real property ownership in this country anymore.
First, you need to lose the notion that you actually can own property. You can have a house and lands paid off, and the second you don't pay your property taxes, it can be seized, and taken from you. Your car, if your tags aren't up to date, can be towed, impounded and auctioned off. Your bank accounts, on a whim can be seized, all your assets forfeited.
That was my thought too. There is no such thing as real property ownership in this country anymore.
Diana posted on 2006-10-29 19:10:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Wouldn't it be a damned shame... I think the tactics BushCheneyInc use to keep their power is very effective. They send messages in the language public officials understand. For example, there was no clearer message than when Paul Wellstone and family were murdered when Wellstone showed forceful opposition to the Iraq war.This is the effective kind of tactic that BushCheneyInc prove works.Perhaps the good people of Connecticut need to learn a new language.
Wouldn't it be a damned shame...
I think the tactics BushCheneyInc use to keep their power is very effective. They send messages in the language public officials understand. For example, there was no clearer message than when Paul Wellstone and family were murdered when Wellstone showed forceful opposition to the Iraq war.
This is the effective kind of tactic that BushCheneyInc prove works.
Perhaps the good people of Connecticut need to learn a new language.
All men die. Not all men truly live. Live for something, rather than die for nothing.
angle posted on 2006-10-29 20:00:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Food for thought: WHO OWNS THE PARK? Original position paper of the park's people by F. Bardauke (People's Park, Berkeley, Ca.) Someday an petty official will appear with a piece of paper. called a land title, which states that the University of California owns the land of the People's Park. Where did that piece of paper come from? What is it worth? A long time ago the Costanoan Indians lived in the area now called Berkeley. They had no concept of land ownership. They believed that the land was under the care and guardianship of the people who used it and lived on it. Catholic missionaries took the land away from the Indians. No agreements wee made. No papers were signed. The ripped it off in the name of God. The Mexican Government took the land away from the Church. The Mexican Government had guns and an army. God's word was not as strong. The Mexican Government wanted to pretend that it was not the army that guaranteed them the land. They drew up some papers which said that they legally owned it. No Indians signed the papers. The Americans were not fooled by the papers. They had a stronger army than the Mexicans. They beat them in a war that took the land. Then they wrote some papers of their own and forced the Mexicans to sign them. The American Government sold the land to some white settlers. The Government gave the settlers a piece of paper called a title in exchange for some money. All this time there were still some Indians around who claimed the land. The American army killed most of them. The piece of paper saying who owned the land was passed around among rich white men. Sometimes the white men were interested in taking care of the land. Usually they were just interested in making money. Finally some very rich men, who run the University of California, bought the land. Immediately these men destroyed the houses that had been built on the land.The land went the way of so much other land in America - it became a parking lot. We are building a park on the land. We will take care of it and guard it, in the spirit of the Costanoan Indians. When the University of California comes along with it's land tile we will tell them: "Your title is covered in blood. We won't touch it. You people ripped off the land from the Indians a long time ago. If you want it back now, you will have to fight for it again. Note: People's Park is still there.
WHO OWNS THE PARK?
Original position paper of the park's people by F. Bardauke (People's Park, Berkeley, Ca.)
Someday an petty official will appear with a piece of paper. called a land title, which states that the University of California owns the land of the People's Park. Where did that piece of paper come from? What is it worth?
A long time ago the Costanoan Indians lived in the area now called Berkeley. They had no concept of land ownership. They believed that the land was under the care and guardianship of the people who used it and lived on it.
Catholic missionaries took the land away from the Indians. No agreements wee made. No papers were signed. The ripped it off in the name of God.
The Mexican Government took the land away from the Church. The Mexican Government had guns and an army. God's word was not as strong.
The Mexican Government wanted to pretend that it was not the army that guaranteed them the land. They drew up some papers which said that they legally owned it. No Indians signed the papers.
The Americans were not fooled by the papers. They had a stronger army than the Mexicans. They beat them in a war that took the land. Then they wrote some papers of their own and forced the Mexicans to sign them.
The American Government sold the land to some white settlers. The Government gave the settlers a piece of paper called a title in exchange for some money. All this time there were still some Indians around who claimed the land. The American army killed most of them.
The piece of paper saying who owned the land was passed around among rich white men. Sometimes the white men were interested in taking care of the land. Usually they were just interested in making money. Finally some very rich men, who run the University of California, bought the land.
Immediately these men destroyed the houses that had been built on the land.The land went the way of so much other land in America - it became a parking lot.
We are building a park on the land. We will take care of it and guard it, in the spirit of the Costanoan Indians. When the University of California comes along with it's land tile we will tell them: "Your title is covered in blood. We won't touch it. You people ripped off the land from the Indians a long time ago. If you want it back now, you will have to fight for it again.
Note: People's Park is still there.
Ferret Mike posted on 2006-10-29 20:02:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Note: People's Park is still there. Yes, unfortunately it is a pissed on and crapped on environment where the homeless and druggies spend their days and no person in their right mind would call it much of a "park". However, it is a piece of open space and we can celebrate that very small fact.
Yes, unfortunately it is a pissed on and crapped on environment where the homeless and druggies spend their days and no person in their right mind would call it much of a "park". However, it is a piece of open space and we can celebrate that very small fact.
angle posted on 2006-10-29 20:10:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
When you "pay" for something, you use Federal Reserve Notes - a debt NOTE issued by the Federal Reserve... LEGALLY, you are nothing more than an agent for the Federal Reserve, and the purchase actually belongs to them!!! They will allow you use of THIER property, so long as you pay "rent" (via property taxes), but have no problem reclaiming THIER property the moment you become delinquent. The gist of this is that when you use the slave owner's note to purchase (You can never "pay" for anything since there is no lawful money of account, but only discharge the debt as per "public policy".), the slave owner still holds an interest in the property. We merely have possession and use. We have a court case which states that even though a debt is discharged, it still maintains a legal character, though not of the same quality as one which has not been discharged. In other words, they can come back at you again later to collect on it. This means that unless you are the best record keeper in the world, that traffic ticket you paid 20 years ago may still come back to haunt you. I know of an instance where this happened. Luckily, this guy NEVER threw away his cancelled checks and he slam-dunked the collection outfit which was trying to scam him for a duplicate payment. There is something called the bankers "paramount lien" on which there was a book out. I never was able to pick it up. But the idea is that since all of the money in the world is debt-based, the bankers own everything by virtue of this paramount lien.
The gist of this is that when you use the slave owner's note to purchase (You can never "pay" for anything since there is no lawful money of account, but only discharge the debt as per "public policy".), the slave owner still holds an interest in the property. We merely have possession and use.
We have a court case which states that even though a debt is discharged, it still maintains a legal character, though not of the same quality as one which has not been discharged. In other words, they can come back at you again later to collect on it.
This means that unless you are the best record keeper in the world, that traffic ticket you paid 20 years ago may still come back to haunt you. I know of an instance where this happened. Luckily, this guy NEVER threw away his cancelled checks and he slam-dunked the collection outfit which was trying to scam him for a duplicate payment.
There is something called the bankers "paramount lien" on which there was a book out. I never was able to pick it up. But the idea is that since all of the money in the world is debt-based, the bankers own everything by virtue of this paramount lien.
BTP Holdings posted on 2006-10-29 20:25:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
"Yes, unfortunately it is a pissed on and crapped on environment where the homeless and druggies spend their days and no person in their right mind would call it much of a "park". However, it is a piece of open space and we can celebrate that very small fact." Too many of any creature crowded too close together creates just that sort of environment. I know I used to love Telegraph Avenue and many of the joints there where you could sit for hours talking to your friends. Now they are all owned by immigrants that want you out of there after you eat and are ruthless about enforcing that. I don't like going to the Bay Area, everything is high drama, tension, and expensive. Why, the toll on the Bay Bridge alone blew my mind when I was down there recently .
"Yes, unfortunately it is a pissed on and crapped on environment where the homeless and druggies spend their days and no person in their right mind would call it much of a "park". However, it is a piece of open space and we can celebrate that very small fact."
Too many of any creature crowded too close together creates just that sort of environment. I know I used to love Telegraph Avenue and many of the joints there where you could sit for hours talking to your friends. Now they are all owned by immigrants that want you out of there after you eat and are ruthless about enforcing that.
I don't like going to the Bay Area, everything is high drama, tension, and expensive. Why, the toll on the Bay Bridge alone blew my mind when I was down there recently .
Ferret Mike posted on 2006-10-29 20:27:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
We went out a few days ago to serve a Habeas Corpus on a sheriff in a rural county out here. I had my friend go in, who was an older local man and was well known. The sheriff told him he did not want to get in the middle of this. He told the sheriff he already was. The sheriff refused service and he was told a refusal is still service. The sheriff told the older man, "Tell that lawyer to come in here. Is that him out in the truck?" (meaning me) My friend told the sheriff, "I never said he was a lawyer," and walked out. I told him later that I would have called the SOB a terrorist to his face for refusing service and that is why I wanted him to go in to serve him. It would have done no good for two of us to be locked up in that filthy hole they called the county jail. There are some fireworks scheduled for this incident at a date still to be announced. BTW, my friend who was in jail had his county sheriff call the one who arrested him. He was told he has made a big mistake and he will wish he had not stirred up this hornets nest. ;0)
There are some fireworks scheduled for this incident at a date still to be announced.
BTW, my friend who was in jail had his county sheriff call the one who arrested him. He was told he has made a big mistake and he will wish he had not stirred up this hornets nest. ;0)
BTP Holdings posted on 2006-10-29 20:38:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I don't like going to the Bay Area, everything is high drama, tension, and expensive. Yeah, I visited recently and it has really deteriorated. Too much materialism, less free love.
I don't like going to the Bay Area, everything is high drama, tension, and expensive.
Yeah, I visited recently and it has really deteriorated. Too much materialism, less free love.
angle posted on 2006-10-30 8:28:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply