"The people who shot down the plane over Pennsylvania."
Misspoken my ass! Anyone that knows anything about flight 93 knows that it did not all crash where they claim it did. It was shot down without a doubt and Rumslfeld spilled the beans inadvertently by being so careless about remembering who it was that he was addressing.
Engines don't bounce 1/2 mile away from the crash scene like the idiots in government claim it did. You are again defending the indefensible. Take a course in physics and then get back to me with your absurd theories.
Engines...I assume you do know that the engines are designed and engineered to fall off when under certain stress condidtions.
That's news to me. It's hard for me to fathom engineers making that a design priority, particularly considering the hazard of having only one wing mounted engine drop off.
">>The usual design for a wing-mounted engine intentionally puts the weak
point in the mount at the rear of the engine. This way, if something happens that causes the mount to break, it'll break at the rear. The engine then rotates up around the front mount, breaking it too, and the residual thrust carries the engine up, over the wing, and out of harm's way. (The trajectory is also designed to avoid the horizontal stabilizers.)"
The usual design for a wing-mounted engine intentionally puts the weak point in the mount at the rear of the engine. This way, if something happens that causes the mount to break, it'll break at the rear. The engine then rotates up around the front mount, breaking it too, and the residual thrust carries the engine up, over the wing, and out of harm's way. (The trajectory is also designed to avoid the horizontal stabilizers.)"
This is not the same thing as saying that they are designed to fall off under certain stresses, as though it's better to not have an engine on the wing than to have one. This is saying that, IF "something happens that causes the mount to break" that it would break off a certain way so as to minimize damage. Any time you have something mounted with more than one mount, one will be stronger than the other. In this case, the decided it's advantageous to make the rear one weaker.
Again, I think it's generally better to have a dead wing engine stay attached to the plane than to have it drop off. The plane will be easier to control.
Again, I think it's generally better to have a dead wing engine stay attached to the plane than to have it drop off. The plane will be easier to control.
I'll wait for an authoritative source to state otherwise. I'll qualify this with a description or list of the particular stresses which are intended to result in engine breakaway.
Applying this to the topic at hand, you're suggesting that 93 experienced some of these stresses that resulted in engine breakaway. Do you maintain that a cockpit fight would be one of them?
I am not interested in any theories, only what is realistic and rational about an accident.
Then what stresses, in particular, would realistically and rationally cause the engines of flight 93 to break away on 911 while in flight? Or otherwise cause an 8 mile debris field?
Then what stresses, in particular, would realistically and rationally cause the engines of flight 93 to break away on 911 while in flight?
The cockpit voice recorder and I believe the black box also indicated that the hijacker was putting the acft thru unusual attitudes trying to dislodge the people that were trying to take over.
The cockpit voice recorder and I believe the black box also indicated that the hijacker was putting the acft thru unusual attitudes trying to dislodge the people that were trying to take over.
Yes, I've heard that before.
And you think this would have made the engines break off?
Only if the plane was designed horribly would it be even possible for any pilot to make the engines break off simply by working the control yoke.
Recall a few years ago, an Airbus I believe, that part of the stabilizer fell off because the co pilot exceeded its stress factor.
If that's the aircraft that went down off the coast of California, which I believe was an airbus, I think it lost an elevator.
In that incident, the pilots were experiencing some control difficulty for a while and were trying to diagnose/service it, before deciding to go for an emergency landing. As the excuted the checklist for landing, they at one point lowered the flaps, which has the side effect of altering the aircraft pitch. This is normally compensated for by additional elevator control, and the additional stress on the elevator caused it to separate from the aircraft, which then caused the crash.
That's all from memory. If that's the incident you refer to, it involved an elevator control that was already damaged, not one in normal operation.
Oh... that one. That happened just a few months after 911. Plane took off and then, mysteriously, the rudder fell off.
NTSB decided that the aircraft flew into a vortex caused by another airliner that passed by that way 2 minutes prior, and the extra stresses made the airline fall apart.
Vortexes are basically horizonal tornados that trail behind all fixed wing aircraft, initiated by the natural downdraft of air immediately behind the wings. The center of the vortexes are, more or less, the wingtips. (For the benefit of those reading along).
I personally think that explanation was inadequate, and I recall an airline pilot saying that if 2 minute old vortexes brought down that airliner, all airlines should be grounded.
What makes far more sense, and matches witnesses who claimed it was on fire before it crashed, was a shoe bomber or some other kind of bomb. This was before that Reid guy was caught and before shoe bombing was really discovered. Seemed to me the government needed badly to protect their image as good handlers of security just months after 911 when they were at peak alert.
No, I never did buy the vortex theory on that one. I'm not sure a missing rudder would bring a plane down anyway. It's not nearly as critical as a missing elevator. Certainly make landing in any crosswind difficult or impossible, but it should still fly.