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Title: We Have A Pope! White Smoke and Bells Toll
Source: MSNBC Live
URL Source: [None]
Published: Apr 19, 2005
Author: MSNBC
Post Date: 2005-04-19 12:09:35 by Brian S
Keywords: Pope!, White, Smoke
Views: 463
Comments: 41

We Have A Pope! White Smoke and Bells Toll

Developing...

Announcement of who it is just being within 30-45 minutes.

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#3. To: Brian S (#0)

We Have A Pope!

"We"? You maybe.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-19   12:37:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: CWRWinger (#3)

"We"? You maybe.

"We have a Pope" are the first words spoken when the announcement is made as to whom it is.

I'm Deist at best, not Catholic.

Brian S  posted on  2005-04-19   12:39:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Brian S (#4)

"We have a Pope" are the first words spoken when the announcement is made as to whom it is.

Historic protocol aside, it's an arrogant assumption.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-19   12:43:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: CWRWinger (#6)

it's an arrogant assumption.

What "assumption" might you be referring to?

Brian S  posted on  2005-04-19   12:49:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Brian S (#7)

What "assumption" might you be referring to?

Not you. Their use of "We" in "We have a pope" is an arrogant assumption with no qualifiers.

It would be clearer to state, "The Catholic Church has a pope."

I take offense to their use of a universal sounding "we".

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-19   12:54:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CWRWinger (#8)

Word around the office is that Ratzinger of Germany is their boy.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-04-19   12:59:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#9)

Word around the office is that Ratzinger of Germany is their boy.

Was he in Hitler Youth?

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-19   13:01:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: CWRWinger (#10)

Was he in Hitler Youth?

probably.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-19   13:07:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Continental Op (#14)

Was he in Hitler Youth?

probably.

There seems to be a pattern developing amongst world image figureheads.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-19   13:11:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: CWRWinger (#16)

well, I don't hold it against him. What's a kid in Nazi Germany to do?

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-19   13:16:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#18. To: Continental Op (#17)

well, I don't hold it against him. What's a kid in Nazi Germany to do?

I'll get the facts before I hold it against him.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-19 13:20:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Continental Op (#17)

"Schooled in the Nazis' power of rhetoric during his childhood in Bavaria, the Pope later deserted the German Army during World War II, only to be sent to a POW camp when the Allies reached his hometown." -BBC

I was making a joke. It's not a joke. This dude is a former NAZI YOUTH.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-19 13:35:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Continental Op (#17)

Here is the "Hitler Youth" article from The Times

Papal hopeful is a former Hitler Youth

Justin Sparks, Munich, John Follain and Christopher Morgan, Rome

THE wartime past of a leading German contender to succeed John Paul II may return to haunt him as cardinals begin voting in the Sistine Chapel tomorrow to choose a new leader for 1 billion Catholics.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, whose strong defence of Catholic orthodoxy has earned him a variety of sobriquets — including “the enforcer”, “the panzer cardinal” and “God’s rottweiler” — is expected to poll around 40 votes in the first ballot as conservatives rally behind him.

Although far short of the requisite two-thirds majority of the 115 votes, this would almost certainly give Ratzinger, 78 yesterday, an early lead in the voting. Liberals have yet to settle on a rival candidate who could come close to his tally.

Unknown to many members of the church, however, Ratzinger’s past includes brief membership of the Hitler Youth movement and wartime service with a German army anti- aircraft unit.

Although there is no suggestion that he was involved in any atrocities, his service may be contrasted by opponents with the attitude of John Paul II, who took part in anti-Nazi theatre performances in his native Poland and in 1986 became the first pope to visit Rome’s synagogue.

“John Paul was hugely appreciated for what he did for and with the Jewish people,” said Lord Janner, head of the Holocaust Education Trust, who is due to attend ceremonies today to mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.

“If they were to appoint someone who was on the other side in the war, he would start at a disadvantage, although it wouldn’t mean in the long run he wouldn’t be equally understanding of the concerns of the Jewish world.”

The son of a rural Bavarian police officer, Ratzinger was six when Hitler came to power in 1933. His father, also called Joseph, was an anti-Nazi whose attempts to rein in Hitler’s Brown Shirts forced the family to move home several times.

In 1937 Ratzinger’s father retired and the family moved to Traunstein, a staunchly Catholic town in Bavaria close to the Führer’s mountain retreat in Berchtesgaden. He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941.

He quickly won a dispensation on account of his training at a seminary. “Ratzinger was only briefly a member of the Hitler Youth and not an enthusiastic one,” concluded John Allen, his biographer.

Two years later Ratzinger was enrolled in an anti-aircraft unit that protected a BMW factory making aircraft engines. The workforce included slaves from Dachau concentration camp.

Ratzinger has insisted he never took part in combat or fired a shot — adding that his gun was not even loaded — because of a badly infected finger. He was sent to Hungary, where he set up tank traps and saw Jews being herded to death camps. He deserted in April 1944 and spent a few weeks in a prisoner of war camp.

He has since said that although he was opposed to the Nazi regime, any open resistance would have been futile — comments echoed this weekend by his elder brother Georg, a retired priest ordained along with the cardinal in 1951.

“Resistance was truly impossible,” Georg Ratzinger said. “Before we were conscripted, one of our teachers said we should fight and become heroic Nazis and another told us not to worry as only one soldier in a thousand was killed. But neither of us ever used a rifle against the enemy.”

Some locals in Traunstein, like Elizabeth Lohner, 84, whose brother-in-law was sent to Dachau as a conscientious objector, dismiss such suggestions. “It was possible to resist, and those people set an example for others,” she said. “The Ratzingers were young and had made a different choice.”

In 1937 another family a few hundred yards away in Traunstein hid Hans Braxenthaler, a local resistance fighter. SS troops repeatedly searched homes in the area looking for the fugitive and his fellow conspirators.

“When he was betrayed and the Nazis came for him, Braxenthaler shot himself because he knew he couldn’t escape,” said Frieda Meyer, 82, Ratzinger’s neighbour and childhood friend. “Even though they had tortured him in Dachau concentration camp he refused to give up his resistance efforts.”

Despite question marks over Ratzinger’s wartime conduct, the main obstacle to his prospects in the conclave — the assembly of cardinals to elect the new pope — is the conservative stance he has adopted as guardian of Catholic orthodoxy since John Paul named him to head the congregation for the doctrine of the faith in 1981.

His condemnations are legion — of women priests, married priests, dissident theologians and homosexuals, whom he has declared to be suffering from an “objective disorder”.

He upset many Jews with a statement in 1987 that Jewish history and scripture reach fulfilment only in Christ — a position denounced by critics as “theological anti-semitism”. He made more enemies among other religions in 2000, when he signed a document, Dominus Jesus, in which he argued: “Only in the Catholic church is there eternal salvation”.

Some of his staunchest critics are in Germany. A recent poll in Der Spiegel, the news magazine, showed opponents of a Ratzinger papacy outnumbered supporters by 36% to 29%.

As one western cardinal who was in two minds about him put it: “He would probably be a great pope, but I have no idea how I would explain his election back home.”

One liberal theologian,when asked what he thought of a Ratzinger papacy, was more direct: “It fills me with horror.”

Brian S  posted on  2005-04-19 13:35:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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