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Title: Joe Wilson: There are no tinfoil hats anymore
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Published: Nov 3, 2006
Author: "Brainwrap"
Post Date: 2006-11-03 16:47:54 by bluedogtxn
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Joe Wilson: "There are no tinfoil hats anymore." by Brainwrap Thu Nov 02, 2006 at 09:17:50 PM PST NOTE: I posted a much shorter diary about this event late last night. Unfortunately, due (I presume) to the brevity of the diary and the lateness of the hour, it didn't get much attention before being shoved off the list. I expanded it this morning, and several of those who read it indicated that it had become significant enough to recommend...but it was too late by then. I've decided to re-post the full, complete diary in the hopes of it getting a second look. Hope I'm not coming off as being egotistical; I just think some of this is truly of interest. Last night I attended a fundraising dinner featuring MI-09 challenger Nancy Skinner , MI-08 challenger Jim Marcinkowski and the featured guest of the evening, former Ambassador Joe Wilson . Brainwrap's diary :: :: Note that my referring to him without his title in the title of this diary is deliberate--he specifically requested that we call him simply "Joe"; he only requires Republicans to use his full official title (he also told us a great story behind this). All three gave speeches, of course, and after dinner, the floor was opened to a handful of questions. I have a few pictures from the event, for anyone who's interested: Given that it was a semi-private fundraiser, I wasn't sure whether it was appropriate to go into too much detail. However, I now see that info about the event is posted on Jim Marcinkowski's campaign website, so I guess it's ok to discuss. It was held at the Sangria Tapas Cafe in Royal Oak. Wilson had spent the whole day attending events with Marcinkowski, and they decided to wrap it up with a co-sponsored dinner thing with Skinner in her district. I'd say there were about 50 people. Standard schedule--some pre-dinner chit-chat, intros, speeches by all three (the candidates gave half-length versions of their standard stump speeches; Wilson gave an overview of his own situation and what the stakes were this year, etc etc. He also specifically asked all of us to call him "Joe"; he said that these days, he requires only Republicans to call him by his official title, because he loves watching them have to force themselves to show him the respect that he's due. This led into an amusing tale about an appearance he gave on one of the talking head shows with Congressman Chris Shays (R, CT-04) early on in the CIA leak brouhaha. Apparently Shays--grossly outmatched, outwitted and out of his league--had exactly two talking points in his head: One, that he should refer to Wilson as "just an angry husband" and two, that he should avoid using Wilsons' official title as a former Ambassador and chief dignitary. Shays, right off the bat, managed to do both in his very first sentence: "I think that JOE is AN ANGRY HUSBAND", followed by him repeatedly and pointedly calling him "Joe" over and over again for the next several minutes--"Joe" this and "Joe" that. Wilson responded by repeatedly referring to how CHRIS didn't know what the hell CHRIS was talking about, and CHRIS should study up on his history, etc etc. After that, CHRIS referred to Wilson as "Ambassador" for the rest of the show. Anyway, after dinner, they each spoke again, then Wilson took a total of three questions. I don't recall the first one; the second gave Wilson the opportunity to tell the real tale behind the "Ambassador Wilson Almost Hanged by Sadaam Hussein" story 15 years ago (big surprise: it involved sloppy journalism on the part of an over-eager reporter). The final question came from, as it turned out, myself. I asked a serious question about how he thinks the Bush administration will respond if the Dems DO retake both houses of Congress, considering that a) Bush can now LEGALLY arrest, lock up and torture any U.S. citizen he wants to; b) Bush can now declare martial law anywhere and anytime he wants to; and c) Rumor has it that FEMA has contracted with Halliburton to build dozens of detention centers here in the U.S.. His response was, let's just say, not encouraging. Let me put it this way: Did you see the Oliver Stone/Anthony Hopkins take on Nixon? Towards the end, when his administration is crumbling all around him, he takes Alexander Haig (Power Boothe) aside and asks him what options he has left. Haig rattles off a few last-ditch legal maneuvers, and then states, somberly, that "you do still have...the military..." ...at which point Nixon basically folds, pulling himself and the nation back from the brink of insanity. Well, apparently something like this really happened, because Wilson described Nixon's final days very similarly. His point was this: Nixon, while deeply flawed, did in the end show some respect for the Constitution. George W. Bush is the one who (allegedly?) once literally referred to the Constitution as "just a G-dd*mn piece of paper" some months ago. In short, Wilson anticipates that starting November 8th (or more likely in January, when the new Congress takes office), the United States will very likely have not one, but several Constitutional crisis' occur. I prefaced my question by admitting that I might be going into tinfoil hat territory. Unfortunately, Wilson stated that at this point, under this administration "there are no tinfoil hats anymore." The look on my face in the last photo was still there from his answer. He was able to recover and smile for the camera faster than I could; makes sense, given how much crap he's had to deal with for the past 3 years. It wasn't Wilson's response itself that made me think this was worthy of re-posting; it was the fact that he was the one who made it. This wasn't some paranoid guy at the bowling alley; this was Ambassador Joseph friggin' Wilson, and he was deadly serious.
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#1. To: bluedogtxn (#0)
It just take some longer to catch on, than others.
Well done Ambassador Wilson. In short, Wilson anticipates that starting November 8th (or more likely in January, when the new Congress takes office), the United States will very likely have not one, but several Constitutional crisis' occur. I prefaced my question by admitting that I might be going into tinfoil hat territory. Unfortunately, Wilson stated that at this point, under this administration "there are no tinfoil hats anymore." The look on my face in the last photo was still there from his answer. He was able to recover and smile for the camera faster than I could; makes sense, given how much crap he's had to deal with for the past 3 years. It wasn't Wilson's response itself that made me think this was worthy of re-posting; it was the fact that he was the one who made it. This wasn't some paranoid guy at the bowling alley; this was Ambassador Joseph friggin' Wilson, and he was deadly serious. Most interesting and frightening.
I went ahead and voted yesterday. I hit the libertarian button whenever I could find a libertarian candidate, the Dem when I couldn't; except for congress because I personally know the Democratic candidate (he's a friend and his opponent is a bought and sold GOP shitbag) and voted for him. Sadly, this is Lubbock, where they still think abstinence only sex education works and they have the highest STD/abortion/unwed mommas rate in the state... Just like they thought prohibition worked... They'll re-elect the shitbag.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Was your polling place packed? Today, mine was swamped with voters, and they didn't look like happy campers - it could get interesting.
not at all. You can vote now in Lubbock from any polling place, no matter which district you reside in. It's pretty cool. I work downtown anyway, and you can always vote at the elections office, which is walking distance.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
I can echo all of that from Houston. (Was going to say "dittos", but well . . .)
The Kinkster was who got me out to vote at all.
Wilson's and Valerie Plame's lawyer is Christopher Wolf, topgun ADL lawyer and a partner at Proskauer Rose, one of the more highpowered Jewish law firms in the country. Wolf will keep the sharks aways from Wilson and Plame as long as Wilson and Plame divert attention away from the Jewish lobby and focus attention on Bush.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
LOL. Don't wind me up, buddy.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
I neglected to mention that I actually voted for him, too.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Wolf will keep the sharks aways from Wilson and Plame as long as Wilson and Plame divert attention away from the Jewish lobby and focus attention on Bush. Oh that's interesting.
Excellent - I truly believe that unless the machines screw him out of it, the Kink will be our new governor. How hard can it be?
How hard can it be? Hate to bust your bubble, lodwick, but here's the first of three promised Chron polls, this one for the Governor's race. Perry leads a five-person field with 38 percent support, according to the survey. Democrat Chris Bell has 22 percent support, and independent Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn has 21 percent - a statistical tie. Independent Kinky Friedman trails badly at 10.5 percent, and Libertarian James Werner has just 1 percent support. Disapproval of Perry's job performance is almost universal across Texas' demographic groups, according to the survey. Perry still has solid support from conservatives and Republicans. "Could this have been a competitive two-person race? Absolutely. But it was never a competitive two-person race," said pollster John Zogby. "You get back to that one point: Bell and Strayhorn are blocking one another." Bell - despite a saturation television-advertising buy paid for by $2.5 million in donations and loans from Houston trial lawyer John O'Quinn - remains largely unknown to four of every 10 voters. And Bell has yet to consolidate even his own Democratic base. Strayhorn shows strength among women, blacks and self-identified independents, but she has failed to make significant inroads with Democrats or Republicans. [...] "The difficulty here is Perry has solidified in the high 30s," Zogby said of the challengers. "It would take two candidates to implode, and the odds of that happening are very, very nil." The Zogby International telephone survey of 1,003 likely voters was conducted between Oct. 23 and Oct. 25. The margin of error in the survey is plus or minus 3.2 percentage points. The sample was 63 percent white, 23 percent Hispanic, 12 percent black and 2 percent other. Perry spokesman Robert Black said the survey did not reflect a large Republican turnout that the campaign is expecting. "The governor believes that the Texas voters are going to prove the national pundits wrong. They're going to turn out, and they're going to re-elect him by an overwhelming margin," Black said. "This poll confirms that those two campaigns (Bell and Strayhorn) are getting awfully close to throwing in the towel." [...] Perry's greatest weakness is that 54 percent of those surveyed said his performance as governor has been fair or poor. Among independent voters, 62 percent disapproved of Perry as governor. Of those who say Perry has done only a fair job as governor, a third are supporting Strayhorn and a quarter are voting for Bell. Among those who say Perry has done a poor job, 45 percent are for Bell and 30 percent back Strayhorn. Slightly more than half of those surveyed said Texas is headed in the right direction, but 40 percent said the state is off track. Out of wrong-track voters, Zogby noted, 39 percent favor Bell; 23 percent Strayhorn; and 15 percent Friedman. [...] Bell holds 53 percent of support among Democrats, but 18 percent say they will vote for Strayhorn and 10 percent for Friedman. And 29 percent of the Democrats surveyed said they are too unfamiliar with Bell to have an opinion about him. "There's no way a Democrat can win getting just 53 percent of the Democrats, and that's where Bell is," Zogby said. And the two ethnic groups that usually provide strength to Democratic candidates are divided. Blacks typically vote almost exclusively Democratic, but this year 43 percent say they support Bell and 35 percent name Strayhorn. Hispanics typically throw three-quarters of their vote to Democrats, but only 25 percent said they will vote for Bell. Perry has the strongest showing among Hispanic voters, netting 37 percent.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Wolf is Chair of the Washington, DC Governing Board of the Anti-Defamation League and is the chairman of the International Network Against Cyber-Hate (INACH) and the Anti-Defamation League's National Committee on the Internet. He also chairs the ADL Technology Committee and previously was regional chair of the Washington, DC ADL Board (1998 - 2002) as well as the national ADL Strategic Planning Committee. Why would a guy like this be interested in Plame and Wilson?
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
They're as trustworthy as the goob reports. Go Kinks. Why the Hell Not?
Geez...the ones supporting bell and strayhorn rather than kinky must be totally ignorant.
I thought we weren't supposed to have titles in this country.
Komvrade, vhy do you ask sutch qvestions? Do you tsink ze pahrty has nought tsought of dis? Nutzing but traouble kan kom from pfurzing zis line of inqveery.
Hereditary titles.
Titles of nobility.
The Party has not yet paid for my Reeducation Vacation.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
BTW, if the guy that the ADL is protecting says that there are no more tin-foil hats and I bring up the fact that the ADL is protecting him, how will they smear me? : )
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
ping...
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
Maybe it's the # of layers of tinfoil that's important.
Quayle says two or three for a good baked potatoe.
Wilson stated that at this point, under this administration "there are no tinfoil hats anymore."
#2. To: All (#1)
Having his spook wife outed by the WhiteHouse was Joe's wake-up call, I guess.
#3. To: bluedogtxn (#0)
After that, CHRIS referred to Wilson as "Ambassador" for the rest of the show.
#4. To: lodwick (#1)
#5. To: bluedogtxn (#4)
#6. To: lodwick (#5)
Was your polling place packed?
#7. To: bluedogtxn (#4)
#8. To: bluedogtxn, randge, Texans (#6)
#9. To: bluedogtxn, robin, Cynicom, Tauzero, christine, Zipporah (#0)
(Edited)
Wilson stated that at this point, under this administration "there are no tinfoil hats anymore."
#10. To: randge (#7)
(Was going to say "dittos", but well . . .)
#11. To: lodwick (#8)
#12. To: bluegrass, *Plamegate* (#9)
Wilson's and Valerie Plame's lawyer is Christopher Wolf, topgun ADL lawyer and a partner at Proskauer Rose, one of the more highpowered Jewish law firms in the country.
#13. To: bluedogtxn (#11)
I neglected to mention that I actually voted for him, too.
#14. To: lodwick (#13)
Excellent - I truly believe that unless the machines screw him out of it, the Kink will be our new governor.
#15. To: robin (#12)
#16. To: bluedogtxn (#14)
F**k zobs.
#17. To: bluedogtxn, lodwick (#14)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
#18. To: bluedogtxn (#0)
he requires only Republicans to call him by his official title, because he loves watching them have to force themselves to show him the respect that he's due.
God is a motherfunctor.
#19. To: bluegrass (#15)
Why would a guy like this be interested in Plame and Wilson?
God is a motherfunctor.
#20. To: Tauzero (#18)
#21. To: randge (#20)
God is a motherfunctor.
#22. To: Tauzero (#19)
(Edited)
Komvrade, vhy do you ask sutch qvestions?
#23. To: Tauzero, Cynciom, robin (#19)
#24. To: bluedogtxn, scrapper2 (#23)
#25. To: bluegrass (#23)
#26. To: robin (#25)
Maybe it's the # of layers of tinfoil that's important.
God is a motherfunctor.
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