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Title: Creationist Dr. Dino goes to jail
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Published: Nov 4, 2006
Author: Boing Boing
Post Date: 2006-11-04 09:13:04 by Zipporah
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Creationist Dr. Dino goes to jail Link to Pensacola News Journal article, Link to Scientific American's "15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense"
Kent "Dr. Dino" Hovind, founder of Creation Science Evangelism and the Dinosaur Adventure Land creationist theme park in Florida ("where Dinosaurs and the Bible meet!"), and his wife face more than 200 years in jail for tax fraud. (Previous post with background here.) Yesterday, Dr. Dino was found guilty on 58 counts, including not paying an $845,000 employee-related tax bill. From the Pensacola News Journal: U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers released Jo Hovind until sentencing but denied Kent Hovind's request to be released. He most likely will be detained at either Escambia County Jail or Santa Rosa County Jail until sentencing.
(Assistant US Attorney Michelle) Heldmyer said Kent Hovind was a flight risk and a "danger to the community."
His attorney, Alan Richey, argued that the Internal Revenue Service pursued his client because of his religious beliefs.
Kent Hovind, whose life's mission is to debunk evolution, says he and his employees are workers of God and therefore exempt from paying taxes. He pays his employees in cash and does not withhold their taxes or pay his share as an employer.
UPDATE: At Cryptomundo, Loren Coleman draws the link between Dr. Dino and cryptozoology. It seems that Hovind has been funding a search for Mokele-mbembe because, Loren writes, "He felt if he could prove that a living dinosaur species existed, it would overthrow evolution. Of course, such a discovery would do no such thing, and there are many 'prehistoric' species that exist little changed today." Link
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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)
Man...rough week for the "Christian" community.
Towering over your head.
I've never understood why people feel they have to go forth and prove their beliefs. Religions describe themselves as "beliefs" or "faith" and describe their adherents as "members" or "followers" -- there is no allusion to anything requiring proof, at least not in classical denominations. Since it is impossible to "prove" a religion other than to produce a God, why do they bother?
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gad its been years since I heard this one :P
its all nonsense.. things that matter not.. either in their daily lives or to their faith.. distractions .. majoring on the minors..
Evangelicals = a few quarts short of brain cell fuel
the lunacy gets more and more evident .. and these are the people that criticize the muslims.. ?? Uh they are loose cannons IMO.. very scarey and more than nutso.. I think about what Leon Strauss said of religion.. different than Marx of course .. and these dolts are clueless.. For Strauss, "religion is the glue that holds society together", said Drury, who added that Irving Kristol, among other neo-conservatives, has argued that separating church and state was the biggest mistake made by the founders of the U.S. republic. "Secular society in their view is the worst possible thing", because it leads to individualism, liberalism and relativism, precisely those traits that might encourage dissent, which in turn could dangerously weaken society's ability to cope with external threats. "You want a crowd that you can manipulate like putty," according to Drury
Assistant US Attorney Michelle) Heldmyer said Kent Hovind was a flight risk and a "danger to the community." His attorney, Alan Richey, argued that the Internal Revenue Service pursued his client because of his religious beliefs. Kent Hovind, whose life's mission is to debunk evolution, says he and his employees are workers of God and therefore exempt from paying taxes. He pays his employees in cash and does not withhold their taxes or pay his share as an employer. ------------- its all nonsense.. things that matter not.. either in their daily lives or to their faith.. How do you figure...since the evolutionists and the Christian's perpetual enemy fronting them, seek to destroy his faith and his religion from the standpoint of evolution: From this site [Seventh-Day-Adventist?]: ".... According to evolution, there could have been no Adam -- no clearly defined first man. Therefore there could have been NO FALL OF MAN! The Devil is not content with destroying the proof of God, the Father. He must go farther. The only FALL OF MAN has been upward -- ever UPWARD! The first human beings were mere ape-men, -- almost as much ape as man. Virtually no intelligence. No language, nor intelligent speech. According to science, the process of development continued for millions of years, from this ape-man beginning through various familiar ages -- the "Old Stone Age," the "Iron Age," the "Bronze Age," and the others, thru which science imagines man has traveled. Man has continued to progress according to science, clear down to the present day, when man is supposed to be progressing faster than ever before. Isn't PROGRESS the gospel of the day? Isn't it the religion of the world? PROGRESS! Yes, but where? Toward God, or toward Satan? Material progress, perhaps. But spiritual and moral progress, NO. Now note where this leads us. Since man is not fallen, but has ever continued to progress upward, MAN NEVER HAD ANY NEED OF A SAVIOUR! Thus does evolution dispose of the great purpose -- the great proof -- of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, -- the second member of the Trinity......." http://www.giveshare. org/library/hwa/evolution.html This doesn't even take into account that evolution is the wellspring from which fascism and communism flow....if there is no God, then man's rights do not come from Him, but are afforded him by his rulers....If there is no loving God who created and owns all life, then one's life is just a commodity in the hands of a despot, who also happens to rule over you. The other great issue is the tax issue...and the power to tax is the power to destroy, and the conspirators have stated that their plot cannot succeed until Christianity is destroyed. The NWO crowd refers to America as New Egypt; you can see the symbolism on their phony $1 bill. Pharaoh is refusing to let God's people go, that they may do what God has ordained for them......Genesis 15:13- 14/Micah 4:1-2/Rev. 5:9-10. They would rather "crucify" them for daring to defy the same sort of money-changers that God threw out of the Temple 2,000 years ago, and make an example out of them as they did with Jesus: "JESUS OF NAZARETH ILLEGAL-TAX PROTESTER By Ned Netterville Rome executed Jesus for teaching his followers that paying taxes violates God’s law. The number of his disciples was increasing daily as he worked miracles of healing among the poor. Thus, Jesus had become a serious threat to Rome’s revenues in Judea and Galilee. Pontius Pilate was the Roman procurator of revenues for Judea, a position analogous to a District Director of the Internal Revenue Service in the United States. He dare not allow a notorious tax resister to continue preaching inflammatory anti-tax rhetoric in his imperial-tax territory, lest he lose his lofty position--and his head. So, he crucified Jesus." http://www.jesus-on-taxes.com/Page2.html From Becraft Briefs: "Biblical Observations: The Bible contains some interesting comments regarding the subjects of taxation by the "kings of the earth." [Psalm 2:1 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together [definition of a CONSPIRACY], against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying 3Let us break their bands asunder, And cast away their cords from us....]: VARIOUS VERSIONS OF MATTHEW 17:24-27 King James 24: And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and saith, Doth not your master pay tribute? 25: He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? 26: Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. 27: Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money; that take, and give unto them for me and thee......... The New Testament in the Language of the People by Charles B. Williams When they reached Capernaum, the collectors of the temple tax came to Peter and asked, "Does your Teacher pay the temple tax?" He answered, "Yes." When Jesus reached home -- He got there ahead of Simon -- He asked him, "What do you think about it, Simon? From whom do civil rulers collect duties or taxes, from their own citizens of from aliens?" He answered, "From aliens." Jesus said to him, "So their own citizens are exempt, but still, that we may not influence them to do anything wrong, go down to the sea and throw over a hook. Pull in the first fish that bites, open its mouth and you will find in it a dollar. Take it and pay the tax for both of us." The charges against Jesus included telling others not to pay taxes to the Emperor; see Luke 23:2. [And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Luk/23/2.html Roman Citizens: Acts 16:37-38. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Act/Act016.html#37 "Some History of the Gaspee The following is an interesting but little known fact of pre- revolutionary American history which is based upon Matthew 17. The British schooner, the Gaspee, plagued Rhode Island. The colonists burned it and the justification for doing so was based upon this Biblical admonition. The following is a short explanation of the destruction of the Gaspee: "The taking of the schooner Gaspee, eight guns, commanded by Lieutenant Duddington, at Gaspee Point, R.I., on June 9, 1772, has been held to be the first assault against the crown, but erroneously, for it in nowise differs in principle from the act of firing upon the schooner St. John in July, 1764; the seizure of the Maidstone's boat at Newport in May, 1765, or the scuttling of the British armed sloop Liberty at Newport, in 1769. All were directed against the vessels of the British navy carrying the king's colors, but they were directed against the particular vessel that suffered on account of real injuries to the participants or to the community, and not from any uprising against the general authority of Great Britain. Arnold states in his account of the destruction of the Gaspee that 'Lieut. Duddington, the commander, had practiced every arrogance upon vessels in the bay, detaining them often without a colorable pretext, stopping even market boats, and in some cases plundering people on shore.' " The following are several excerpts from John Allen's "An Oration, Upon the Beauties of LIBERTY, of the essential RIGHTS of the AMERICANS" delivered "at the Second Baptist Church in Boston, Upon the last Annual THANKSGIVING." "My Lord, I hope I need not remind your Lordship of the inquiry that the divine Messiah made to Peter, when they required a tax, or tribute, from him. Of whom, says CHRIST, to Peter, do they gather tax, or tribute, of the children, or of strangers? And Peter said of strangers. Then, says CHRIST, the children are free. Now, the Gaspee schooner, my Lord, was a stranger; and they should, if it was in their commission, have gathered tax from strangers: But instead of which, they would have gathered it from the children. They forgot that children were free: Therefore, my Lord, must it certainly be, that Gaspee schooner has committed the transgression & broke the laws, of the freedom of this country. No doubt, my Lord, but they have a right to tax the strangers, that come to dwell in their country; but to tax the children, which are free in their own native country, this will not do! Nature forbids it; the law of GOD condemns it. And no law, but that of tyranny, can desire it. "And therefore it was, my Lord, that the children (who are by the law of GOD, and the law of nature free), looked upon the Gaspee schooner as stranger, as such they treated her; but when the schooner as a stranger, attempted to gather tax of the children who are free then they looked upon her, as a pirate, who took away their property without their consent, by violence, by arms, by guns, by oaths and damnations: This they thought looked so like piracy, that the children did not like it; and they thought their behavior as strangers, was very unpolite, that they could not so much as pass by these strangers, but the children must bow to them, and come to them; this, the children being free, did not like, and they thought was best for the children, and the strangers, all to be free: And therefore, one night, my Lord they went and set the strangers (who, by the way, were all prisoners), free-free, they burnt their prison. Now, my Lord, would it not be hard to hang these poor men for it? " * * * That kings are made for the people, and not the people for them. Was not David made a king for the people? Was not Saul? Was not Solomon? Then let not kings think too highly of themselves; for the GOD of heaven never intended they should be any more than the servants of the people;.... " * * * my dear Americans, you think hard to pay duties for teas, imports, clearances, entries, etc. etc. But what will you farmers and landholders think, of paying a fixed tax for every acre of land you enjoy? for every apple tree you rear? for every barrel of cider you make, for every pound of candles you burn? for every pound of soap you use, for every pair of shoes you wear, for the light of the morning, and the sun that a kind heaven gives you; what do you think of paying a continual tax for all these? this is contain'd in the mischievous design. Stand alarm'd, O ye Americans." Some interesting cases regarding taxes imposed in the insular possessions: DeLima v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 1, 21 S.Ct. 743 (1901), and Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244, 21 S.Ct. 770 (1901). Please examine Form W-7, which is used to obtain a "taxpayer identification number." There are only 3 such forms, one in Spanish, another for adoption of children; both of these are irrelevant for a domestic American. The third and final form can only be used by one who is not a citizen." http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/matthew.htm more: "In his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus denounced the use of force--even in self- defense. He also vividly stated that a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Thus, in accordance with Jesus' principles, taxes, which depend on force for their collection, cannot produce anything good. Some will protest, "But taxes go to feed the hungry, succor the poor, and what's more, America could never have put a man on the moon or developed the Internet without taxes. Besides who, if not government, will build and maintain the roads, bridges, schools, hospitals and other critical components of modern society's infrastructure?" Answer: If mankind's ability to think is so limited as to be unable to create such "goods" without resorting to force (viz., taxation), then either Jesus didn't know what he was taking about, or we aren't worthy of the redeeming principles for living that he preached. This "who-but-government" mind set is a form of idolatry. It is the worship of state force. One of the greatest minds of the twentieth century dubbed it "statolatry." The abominable lie that there is a moral or religious duty to pay taxes to the state most likely first emanated from the unholy alliance of the Christian church and the Roman empire. After that church-state merger, Bible scholars who were financially supported by government taxes interpolated words of praise for taxes and the state into the mouth of Jesus where they had never before been uttered. Now, seventeen-hundred years later, it is time to rescue Jesus' reputation from the minions of the church-state conspiracy, who to this day have the temerity to claim that Jesus endorsed paying taxes. He did not! In fact it is likely that Jesus was crucified for opposing the payment of taxes to Caesar and influencing others not to pay. The man who executed Jesus was a Roman procurator of imperial taxes for Judea, which is the equivalent of an IRS district director of taxation for an area of the United States. Mr. District Director Pontius Pilate had Jesus brutally flogged and mocked and hung on a cross in a form of death reserved for those who dared to threaten Rome's tax-funded hegemony over its vassal territories. The sanction of taxation attributed to Jesus by many church-state scholars would sound plausible if attributed to Pontius Pilate, but would never have been uttered by Jesus. The purpose of this website and the essay, Jesus of Nazareth, Illegal-Tax Protester, is to repair the damage done to Jesus' reputation by orthodox
My point in saying that is that these people focus upon things that matter not.. in the big picture.. rather than focusing upon what the only thing that was appointed to Christians.. that being to be fruitful and multiply .. and I dont mean having children.. what I mean is to go out and evangelize.. I know of people who know all the finer points of religion.. but speak of their faith in terms that he wanted us to .. the the love of God to others.. they are filled with envy ..hate and evil.. call for the deaths of all muslims.. are prowar.. are arrogant that they have the 'truth' and that those others of faith do not.. they could or wouldnt share their faith with anyone.. it's private doncha know.. but they would sure point out the sin of others .. be judgemental and living by the law not by grace.
I can see your point of view. btw, I see the tail end of my post got lost along the way...oh well...not that important.
No offense to either one of you and your POVX2, but I think the evangelicals really should not wear their religion on their sleeves the way they do. They are flawed mortals like all of us belonging to other faiths, and when the evangelicals hold themselves up on high, then when they fall as fall they must - they are human - well, there are a lot of people saying to themselves "serves those holy rollers right." And as for prostelyzing, that's another irritant to other faiths and it's a gift that keeps on giving for you-know who- whose first name is Abe. What's the point of functioning as a useful tool of others? I don't get it frankly. Why not keep your faith to yourself and just get on with life?
If Jesus Christ were alive today, they'd tax him every time he performed a miracle, or an exorcism. They'd tax him on every loaf, and every fish he created. They'd tax him to the point to where he'd just say screw you guys and go home. That's what THIS world is all about.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#2. To: Zipporah (#0)
"where Dinosaurs and the Bible meet!"
I've already said too much.
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#4. To: MUDDOG (#2)
#5. To: mirage (#3)
#6. To: Zipporah (#0)
Kent Hovind, whose life's mission is to debunk evolution, says he and his employees are workers of God and therefore exempt from paying taxes.
#7. To: scrapper2 (#6)
Evangelicals = a few quarts short of brain cell fuel
#8. To: Zipporah (#5)
#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)
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#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Zipporah (#10)
#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)
 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#13. To: Zipporah (#5)
Absolutely. A conversation I had with a friend of mine here (strict Baptist - he'd not only bring back Prohibition but rewrite all laws if given the choice) recently centered around the roles of Government and Religion. My contention is that Government should exist to defend and protect individual rights -- and Religion should give people the moral training and tools needed to *help* them live their lives. His contention is that Religion rules one's life and that Government exists to enforce that. Needless to say, we disagree...but it is always a lively (and friendly) debate.
its all nonsense.. things that matter not.. either in their daily lives or to their faith.. distractions .. majoring on the minors..
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