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Title: Persecution
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Published: Nov 5, 2006
Author: Berkano
Post Date: 2006-11-05 10:28:03 by richard9151
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The following was written by a man that I have just become acquainted with, and I found this paper to be of very great interest. Perhaps you will as well. This is one of the groups that I belong to and which is researching means and methods of making ourselves seperate, as we are commanded to be. As you read this, please consider reading the post, God is Eternal as well.

Also, the link below is to a group which is working on a Jural Society handbook.

Persecution

Many people believe that we are supposed to change the world. This is dangerous, and wrong. We are not called to change the world. We are called to change ourselves, show forth pure honor, and in God's time the world will follow.

People want to fight the system, or get out of the system, but they're approaching it from an outward view, rather than inward to the substance of the heart. The goal is not to get out of Egypt, find your island, have your "holy compound." The goal is to be untainted by Egypt and its many benefits. Many great prophets in the scriptures were fully entrenched as slaves to the system, some even holding office in courts of unrighteous rulers...Joseph...Daniel...Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego...Moses...God did not tell them to renounce their servitude. God said keep my commandments and in my time I will lead you to the promised land or deliver you from the lion's den or let you walk through the fire without so much as a singed hair.

By gathering and networking, we can eventually have a system of social service and wealth that eliminates the need for government benefits. If you are in the system, it does NOT mean you are a sinner or wicked and you should immediately go live in a straw hut to avoid using the SSN. That bunch of patriot mythology has gotten a lot of people hurt and ruined. That is not what God has called us to do. Use the system while you are still in bondage and export its resources into the network of lawful Christians until their numbers grow so great that nobody is interested in free bennies anymore. Use they system while you are still in bondage, just as the Israelites gleaned the stubble of the fields.

You are not sinning just because you have an SSN. The fact that you despise that number and what it means shows your heart is with God, if you despise it for the right reasons. If you stand up and say, "I will not be treated as a slave," then you will be whipped by the man. Just because you don't volunteer for a whipping does not make you a traitor to the Kingdom of Heaven. That's false guilt...taking the sins of others on your own back...that's Christ's job, not yours, not mine.

Setting oneself up to be persecuted does not make one Jesus or even like him. We cannot of ourselves build one brick of the Kingdom of Heaven. We are called simply to obey, gather together, and care for each other. By doing these things, God will build the kingdom through us and with us, for we are the stones of that building. He is the builder, not us. It is his rock, he cut it, and he is rolling it on. It's his work, not our work. Our work is to keep the commandments and listen to his Spirit in our daily walk through the world. If you look around you will see the kingdom of heaven is already here. Millions of living stones just needing to be cut and polished before God puts them in their places.

Berkano, The GuerillaVille Vanilla Guerilla

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Setting oneself up to be persecuted does not make one Jesus or even like him. We cannot of ourselves build one brick of the Kingdom of Heaven. We are called simply to obey, gather together, and care for each other. By doing these things, God will build the kingdom through us and with us, for we are the stones of that building. He is the builder, not us. It is his rock, he cut it, and he is rolling it on. It's his work, not our work. Our work is to keep the commandments and listen to his Spirit in our daily walk through the world. If you look around you will see the kingdom of heaven is already here. Millions of living stones just needing to be cut and polished before God puts them in their places.

The author makes some interesting points, some I will have to mull over.

I think the time is much later than most people think. All this hoopla and depravity surrounding this farce of an election is a strong indication of that.

I just happened to have some articles on my computer that tie in with all of this. One has to do with the government that usurped God's plan for this country [as symbolized by Ezekiel 17:1-10]. The conspirators behind the contrived American Revolution came preaching such things as liberty, justice, and equality, all things that can only be achieved when all believe in the one God of the Bible; otherwise, everyone will "do what's right in his own eyes", which leads to such despotic systems as we find ourselves under today.

from MASONRY EXPOSED:

"...The masonic world view. All men are created equal with certain unalienable rights. Among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These are fine ideals when placed into proper perspective. Unfortunately masons and associates believe that they are entitled to preferential shares of these rights.

Concepts commonly found in masonic writings. The key words of free masonry are liberty, fraternity, and equality;

Liberty - to choose as they desire for their own purposes;

Fraternity - a brotherhood that primarily serves the advancement of its own membership and the development of its goals;

Equality - first among its own membership and then concerning others so long as it does not interfere with Masonic activities. It is only at the highest levels of masonry that membership is privy to the entirety of its goals.

Literature containing the concepts of liberty, fraternity, and equality are commonly of masonic origin. Note: Masonic rules state that one member may not have sexual relationship with another member's wife. This limitation is clearly not in accordance with the sound principles of moral religions that are opposed to adultry, period......."

http://www.trosch.org/bks/msnc/masonry-exposed.html

Your article here, ties in with your article on the CIVILIAN INMATE LABOR PROGRAM [re Concentration Camps for Americans. see also Janet Reno on people who read the Bible and homeschool their children, etc., meaning Christians, as terrorists/see Project Megiddo].

http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=38755

A footnote from the excellent article The Christmas Conspiracy: The Last Days of the Old World Order, leading me again to think the time is later than some think, or at least, they misperceive WHY all these things are happening. The truth is, it's the manifestation of the Holy War against God and His church, that began in Genesis 3:15, and declared in Psalm 2, and was also declared by Cornwallis to George Washington, when he said "A holy war will now begin against America...." It's all reaching a crescendo, because they know they have but a short time to fulfill their 2,000+ year plot, and because they know WE know, or at least some of us do.

Under "Persecution: Violent Resistance to Jesus' New World Order"

".....In the Bible, whenever God revealed part of His Conspiracy, rebels in the Establishment went crazy. This was especially true during those first days of the New Covenant.

When the Magi from the East alerted Herod to an Outside Agitator Who had come to disrupt his reign, Herod lashed out against all the infants in the realm (Matthew 2:16). Matthew's history jumps ahead 30 years to the next occurrence of revelation and persecution: John the Baptizer announces that the conspiratorial New World Order is about to begin (Matthew 3:1-2). The Baptizer would eventually be beheaded by Republican Guard loyalists.

Then Jesus is found announcing the same news: "The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17,23). The prophets had announced the coming of a New King and the crushing of the Old Dictator; Jesus said that "The time is fulfilled" (Mark 1:15). It was happening right before the eyes of the Republican Guard (Matthew 12:28; Luke 10:9-11; 17:21), and it irritated them no end. This Conspirator would also be killed, but would be raised up to the Ancient of Days to assume His Kingship (Daniel 7:13-14).

But it wasn't just Herod and the Romans, nor the demons (who egged them on) - even Israel was less than happy that the Messiah had come. God had continually sent His Prophets to warn Israel about their disobedience and promise them that the Messiah was coming. Just as consistently, they put those Messengers to death (Hebrews 11:37-38; Acts 7:51-52). Jesus' Word to them was particularly stern: They had been rejected and would have no place in the coming Kingdom (Matthew 21:33ff.). Israel was without fruit (Luke 13:6-9) and would have to be cut down (Matthew 3:8-10). The "Good News" of The Christmas Conspiracy was bad news for Israel.[22]

Since Israel was about to be destroyed, the apostles spent much of their time during the Last Days summoning God's people to a total separation from her, urging them to align themselves instead with the Church (cf. Acts 2:37-40; 3:19-26; 4:8-12; 5:27-32), the New Israel (Galatians 4:26; 6:16; Hebrews 12:22). Not the kind of propaganda that agents of the Old Order wanted to hear.

Even though Jesus had made it clear that Legitimate Rule was being transferred from their Old Order to the New, the Jewish leaders continued to tell the weak and fearful that they were still in control: the blind were leading the blind (Matthew 15:14). Jesus' message to them was clear: theirs was the "terminal generation" (Matthew 23; 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16; Hebrews 6:4-8). They rejected the reign of the New King, preferring the dying Saddam instead (Luke 19:14; John 19:15), but in their hearts they knew the jig was up. They were Apostates and they lashed out at The Christmas Conspirators in violent frustration.

Tragically, these loyalists infiltrated the Camp of the Messiah's followers, and caused many to remain loyal to the Old World Order. A Council was called to reassure the Christians that things were in fact changing (Acts 15). Paul met this great apostasy with some of the most severe terminology of his career (Galatians 1:6-9; 2:5,11-21; 3:1-3; 5:1-12). Especially in the outskirts of the New Empire, where communication is sometimes interrupted, Paul warned of apostasy (Acts 20:28-30), which had broken out by the time of the writing of the Book of Revelation (2:2,6,14-16,20-24; 3:1-4,15-18). The outbreak of disinformation was widespread (2 Timothy 2:18; 1 Corinthians 15:12; Colossians 2:8,18-23; 1 Timothy 4:1-3), causing lawlessness to break out (2 Pet. 2:1-3,10- 22; Jude 4,8,10-13,16). Again and again the apostles found themselves issuing warnings against tolerating the theologians of the Republican Guard (Romans 16:17-18; 2 Corinthians 11:3-4,12-15; Philippians 3:18-19; 1 Timothy 1:3-7; 2 Timothy 4:2-5), for these had been the cause of massive defections, and the extent of apostasy was increasing as the Last Days of the Old Order progressed (1 Timothy 1:19-20; 6:20-21; 2 Timothy 2:16-18; 3:1-9,13; 4:10,14-16). We think of the first generation of the Christian Church as filled with faith and miracles. But it was also afflicted by lawlessness, rebellion, and heresy - just as Jesus had foretold in Matthew 24.

What better term for this anti-Christian disinformation than "anti-Christ"? In our time, some await a future day when, it is said, "the anti-Christ" will appear. But that time was in the generation of the Apostle John:

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that anti-Christ shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. He is antichrist who denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:18-22; also 1 John 4:1-6; 2 John 7-11

New Testament writers warned the early Church to build themselves up on the most holy faith through the Holy Spirit, in order to discern those who were loyalists for the Old Regime, those who have not the Spirit. The need for such discernment, and the presence of such wolves, was foretold by Paul (Acts 20:29) and was a mark of those final days (Jude 18; 2 Peter 3:3; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 3:1).

Praise God! we live in the New World Order of Jesus the Christ, and by His Spirit can see through the mythology and disinformation of the Old World Order. Godly patriarchs continue to be persecuted by those dominated by the lies of the Serpent. But if we correctly understand what the Old Testament predicted about the Messiah, avoiding the errors of the politically-minded Jews of His day, and seeing the Kingdom not as another military empire, but as a Kingdom of Peace, we will see that every prophecy of the Old Testament Prophets, and every promise made to the patriarchs of old, is fulfilled in Christ in this age (2 Corinthians 1:20).

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Acts 3:24-26 ........."

read entire article..... http://members.aol.com/xmaspi racy/1/1_b.htm It's a big site, also dedicated to teaching Christians how to "come out and be separate".

I believe the kingdom of heaven in all its fullness, IS at hand, and the CIVILIAN INMATE LABOR PROGRAM is one definitive proof of it. The devil knows he has but a little time, and is prepared to make war with the saints in America. Ezekiel 17:1-10/Matthew 15:13, Mat. 13/Rev. 20:7-10.

Instead of voting, Christians might want to heed these words from the Christmas Conspiracy:

"....(22) History tells us in shocking detail about the Great Tribulation that Israel experienced in A.D. 70. Roman armies put Israel to siege. It was horrible genocide. It was "The Great Tribulation." Jesus said it was part of His Conspiracy.

Then what about His claim to be a non-violent Prince of Peace? His destruction of Israel was certainly very violent.

The Jews rejected Christ's Kingdom and chose instead to serve and honor the violent Empire of Rome. "We have no king but Caesar," they shouted as they assassinated the sinless Jesus. It was this same Caesar - the god they chose - that wiped them out. They should have been co-conspirators with Christ against the Empire.

Are you hoping to be saved by the Empire? Will détente with evil bring peace?....."

http://members.aol.com/xmaspiracy/1/1_b.htm

2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

2Cr 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr006.html#16

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-11-06   9:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The author makes some interesting points, some I will have to mull over.

He does, indeed. I thanked him for this paper, as it made so many things clearer to me. Things which I have fought with/over for a quite a number of years. Esp. the part with how to be separate. I have had a lot of trouble with accepting that it was not up to me to fight the system; I just could not accept that there was not some magic bullet that would set me free.... That is was not possible for me to change the world, and, it was not my responsibility either! It is His.

Well, there is a way to be separate, but it has nothing to do with paper and filing and studying the world´s system. And it does not have anything to do with making myself into a target, either. It has to do with being a servant, both to Him, and to His people. Boy, do I need to work on my patience!

I want to thank you as well, for the excellent, very detailed and thought out reply. You have included a lot of very good info, esp. about the Declaration of Independence and the Masonic thinking behind it. It is really amazing how Masonic thought flows through all of the evil that has beset America. Well, not that amazing, I guess, given what Masonry is. Anyway, thank you, and now I have to get busy and go through some more of your info! Blessings, Richard

The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.

richard9151  posted on  2006-11-06   11:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The following would qualify as Persecution II. Written by the same man, and just sent to me today. Richard

According to some people's definitions of being "unspotted by the world," neither Moses, nor Daniel, nor Jesus would qualify for a Kingdom of Heaven Passport. They all were numbered as slaves, too, and Jesus was the head of the *worldly* state of Israel, proclaimed King by the will of the people. He did have an exercising authority, but what he did was turn that authority back to the people instead of letting the money-changers continue to get fat. That's why they killed him. He was a leader in their world, as well as in heaven, and they did not like it.

We are to come out of the world, but as a body, not as individuals. The sheep that runs ahead of the flock gets picked off by the wolves. Please do not put yourself in harm's way unnecessarily just to prove you are righteous. Better to help people who are ready to come out, such as Gregory's congregation, while getting your own congregations together but not requiring people to throw away their ID or become tax protestors. Even Jesus paid the tax when it became apparent that it would offend the bureaucrats if he did not, rather than say, "I'm Jesus and I'm unspotted by your system." (Peter and the fish)

Being unspotted by the world is not something that Minister X can see or say about minister Z based whether or not he has state-issued ID. It has nothing to do with using a SSN although an SSN may be evidence of being tainted by the world, but not the cause of the taint. In many cases the world will kill you if you resist being identified or numbered by them. A cop once seriously injured me because I would not identify myself, but I was not in the right (neither was he, it was just a conflict of force at that point). The people who told me that I would be sinning if I identified myself or gave a name were not there to defend me from being assaulted, were they? Which of you is gonna use force to defend the people you are sending down that path? We are to save lives, not doom them with a self-righteous interpretation of being separate from the world. Some are ready to defy all marks of the system. Some are not ready. This does not make one more righteous than the other.

There is no infrastructure set up to care for and properly network people so they don't need to use an SSN, yet people are demanding they renounce the SSN before they can represent the church. Interesting. You might as well shoot, starve, and burn out those converts yourself if you are demanding that they throw their driver license in the trash and quit their job so they don't pay withholding tax.

The requirements of such an exclusive club would mean that it could never even be built, because no one would be worthy of representing it and no one would have any money to fund it. Each congregation will be at its own stage of progress toward freedom and artificial requirements should not be imposed as doctrine for a congregation to be allowed in fellowship with others.

"But, you can't serve two masters." Just because they take your money at gunpoint to fund social security does not mean you are accepting a benefit. A benefit is being forced on you against your will, so is that your choice to serve? It is not a voluntary system anymore, although they try to make it look that way. It was voluntary for our grandparents, but they sold us into bondage for a quick buck. Involuntary servitude under threat of imprisonment and death is very different than serving two masters. It is those that cry for imposition of benefit programs that are trying to serve two masters.

Moses went back to Egypt under the same bondage as everyone else so he could set them free. He was authorized by God and he did not need a letter of passport from any congregation to prove it. Let us be careful what criteria we use to judge how righteous people are.

Remember that while you are still in bondage you should spend every spare moment you can muster gleaning stubble from the fields so you have something to contribute to the building up of a parallel system of service. If you can't help personally with the work, consider contributing funds to the work that people like Gregory Williams do. I'm sure every little bit helps.

If three families believe and are moved to form a congregation, there you have a powerful force for taking care of the poor, widowed, orphaned, etc. We move toward freedom as a body. In the Jural Society handbook I'm working on, this process is spelled out on the county level and shows how to legally unencumber a county from federal rule, and it must be done as a body, not as individuals. It starts with the families getting together and networking and teaching all the other families until the majority are in agreement that they have no more need of defacto power. Then you hold a county election without inviting the defacto county officers, and because it is the will of the people, the majority, under the defacto law the majority rules and organic government is restored with de jure officers instead of defacto. Then everyone in the county can toss their social security cards in the trash at the same time, and the government can't oppose because you've done it according to their own law. Your county automatically becomes regarded as a foreign state. They will quietly ignore your county as long as you don't dance and thumb your noses at them. You can still trade with the rest of the world, and you can even tax them if they want to do business in your county, for maintenance of roads and public buildings. But you can't tax the denizens, or exercise authority over them.

I can't remember who, but I think it was Clarence, that beautifully illustrated how the worldly government is actually an appendage to the Kingdom of Heaven. We are not to fight it, we are not to replace it, we are to let it run its course while building up our congregations for the day when it self-destructs. --

Berkano, The GuerillaVille Vanilla Guerilla http://groups.yahoo.com/group /GuerillaVille Guerilla Information Warfare Tactic 1-Truth

The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.

richard9151  posted on  2006-11-06   16:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

whew...lots to think about.

We are not to fight it, we are not to replace it, we are to let it run its course while building up our congregations for the day when it self- destructs. --

....well, with a little help.....

Ezekiel 34:27.

I 'voted' all day long.....Matthew 15:13.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-11-07   17:52:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

well, with a little help.....

Well, you see, that is the problem............ We are specifically told not to help. It is not our fight. It is not our responsibility. And we can not help without opposing, and as I have said before, that which you oppose, you make stronger. And thus, you accept responsibility for the additional strength.

Please note that you can not help without opposing something; that is how man´s system is organized, and it is exactly wrong and contrary to God´s system. Just by opposing, you participate, and we are told to be in the world, but not to be a part of it. Now, we return to what I have said several times.... I do not vote, and will never do so again, for to do so, makes me a part of the world. No, thank you.

The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.

richard9151  posted on  2006-11-08   10:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt

well, with a little help.....

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Well, you see, that is the problem............ We are specifically told not to help. It is not our fight.

richard......

you said...

We are not to fight it, we are not to replace it, we are to let it run its course while building up our congregations for the day when it self- destructs. --

I said....

....well, with a little help.....

Ezekiel 34:27.

I 'voted' all day long.....Matthew 15:13.

Eze 34:27 And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze034.html#27

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Eze/34/27.html

Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#13

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/15/13.html

I started to add the following, but thought the above was sufficient:

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Mat 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [this is what I 'voted' all day long]

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat021.html#21

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/21/21.html

Now, that being said:

We are appointed KINGS and Priests, and told to OCCUPY until He comes:

Luk 19:13 — And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. Occupy is an ACTIVE VERB.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Luk/Luk019.html#13

Christians are the BODY of Christ, and advance His kingdom. We don't do this by SITTING on our hands:

As I see it, here is where we are today. We are the Second Israel in our Promised Land. We rejected God when we took on a king [George Washington et al]. We are seeing the fruits of that, as God told Samuel would happen:

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/1Sa/1Sa008.html#7 - end of chapter.

So here we are....We rejected God for Man [Psalm 118:7-16]. God said He would hide His face from Israel, and see what their end would be.....and slaves to this unGodly government is where He finds us. "Told you so....." :

Mic 4:9 ¶ Now why dost thou cry out aloud? [is there] no king in thee? is thy counsellor perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.

Mic 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go [even] to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

Mic 4:11 Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.

Mic 4:12 But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor. [He brought them here! "Because you have made me envious with that which was not God, I will make you envious with a foolish nation." What did Rothschild say? "That nation must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the continent." "Kings of the earth", Psalm 2, ring a bell?]

Now note, we are to :

Mic 4:13 Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Mic/Mic004.html#13

please see: http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Mic/4/13.html

It appears to me it is a "joint effort" between Christ and us.....to bring every thought into obedience to Him.....

Does this mean we are to join forces with the "unclean thing"? No; you'd be hard-pressed to find me saying that in any of my posts, which I am sure "endears" me to a lot of people who still think we can salvage something good out of this monster. I agree with Pat Buchanan, and now Michael Hoffman, both say the parties are just two wings of the same bird of prey, [the second one in Ezekiel 17:1-10!] No, my battle cry has become "Pluck, Lord, PLUCK!." [Matthew 15:13]. I cast no Rothschild/Diebold ballot.

I refer you again to the Vine and Fig Tree Website

A World Without the "State"

http://vftonline.org/VFTfiles/Directory/5a_state.htm

Now, I think the Bible mentions a verse about "when I see their power is gone, I will repent myself of my servants...." I believe we are fast approaching that time, if not having already reached it.

On the other hand, He said, "He [Holy Spirit] who is in you is greater than he who is in the world".....and that brings us back to "occupy".

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-11-11   12:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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