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Title: Some great replies to Doug from Upchuck on the subject of libertarianism at FreeRepublic
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URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1734843/posts
Published: Nov 9, 2006
Author: Doug from Upland, Various, Coral Snake
Post Date: 2006-11-09 01:49:07 by Coral Snake
Keywords: Libertarianism, Doug from Upchuck, FreeRepublic
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Comments: 9
(Coral Snake) This is a really great reply to Doug from Upland at FreeRepublic about the subkect of libertarianism that reallt tells it all on the importance of Gun Rights. The Libertarian Party is for totally open borders and not defending our country. They are a problem, not a solution. 43 posted on 11/08/2006 8:26:10 AM PST by doug from upland That, is an outright lie. In fact, allowing completely unrestrained RKBA would do more to prevent crime and terroism here in the US than Bush's TSA and Homeland Security Departments ever could. 45 posted on 11/08/2006 8:27:20 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.) But to be fair....at least the Libertarian party would allow you to protect YOUR own boarders. 59 posted on 11/08/2006 8:36:01 AM PST by fatboynic While I don't doubt that is what the Libertarian Party says, most libertarians aren't in the party. They are independents or Republican, trying to change the party from within. Most support controlling the border as that is a legitimate power of the state. Not every libertarin subscribes to the LP platform. FWIW. ;-) 111 posted on 11/08/2006 9:07:44 AM PST by Unknown Pundit (I really do post with a paper bag over my head.) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1734843/posts?q=1&&page=1
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To: doug from upland The Libertarian Party is for totally open borders and not defending our country. They are a problem, not a solution.
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#1. To: Coral Snake (#0)
I respect Libertarians very much (in protest against this GOP party I voted for the LP in this election) but I consider them more of a debate society than a real political party.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Doug From Upland fails to realize that if we want to elect Democrats, we will elect Democrats. If we want Republicans, we will elect Republicans. Why would anyone vote for a Republican who acts like a Democrat when you can get the real thing? Its sour grapes time and the "party faithful" are simply unwilling to realize that the real blame starts by pointing a finger at the mirror, not by alienating the independents. If they keep this up, they'll be a minority party FOREVER.
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Exactly. I want Democrats to stay sober and responsive to the needs of the people and to consolidate and expand on the win Tuesday. I found it encouraging Democrats could take the leadership in Congress, but I am still suspicious that cheating was done to leverage he gains to make them as small as it was plausible to get away with. I want to see election security to be made a key consideration and to be achieved with no thought of compromise in this regard. If you cannot secure the result of an election and keep it honest, you cannot realistically expect people to believe you care about keeping the rest of the country secure from anything else; especially boy George's favorite bogeymen, the dark, shapeless and always redefined specter of the terrorist menace.
We both know that both the Democrats and Republicans engage in vote fraud when it is convenient for them. When I lived in the Bay Area, there were always ballot boxes found floating in the Bay some weeks after an election. Security is of paramount concern, indeed, but that also includes purging illegal voters from the rolls - something the DNC will never agree to.
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You disappoint me Mike. Your democrat party partisanship is showing as I had come to think you were a thinking person, one that was an American, not a dem or a pub. Very disappointed.
I have taken hits these past couple of days on DU as I posted comments directed at Democrats who didn't like my lecturing them on how to do things. You can believe what you wish, but I am from a clan of McCarthys in Sprague, Connecticut with a whole row of relatives living on the same road. They are all Catholic and all yellow dog Democrats. I am influenced by my upbringing, as well as having had a very conservative Mom who was a Republican when she died of cancer in recent years. I was just as happy when they lost power in the Reagan years after too many decades of being fat arrogant and full of hubris, and after a period of controlling Congress, I will be happy to see it roll over once more. If you think I want Congress to just be continually controlled by th same party, you are just flat wrong. In this instance, I am very aggrieved and angry about the Neocon wars. I want the Demos to solidly take Congress and show if they can end them and possibly do better. Realistically, both parties are way way too much like one another for my taste. I more feel like the vanilla republicans now hold Congress then a bona fide genuine opposition party, so I have no illusions about what is going on in Washington,and my comments merely reflected pragmatism and no doubt some coloration unavoidable considering my back ground. ;-)
I have no party. I want no party. I am disappointed that you have fallen into line with a party partisanship. Anyone thinking there will any difference, any change with a change of party is deluding themselves. The powers that be have already decided what changes to make in Iraq. That part has NOTHING to do with party. Will the Patriot Act and all the other horrors visited upon us be stripped away???? Not a chance. Pelolsi and the others have already given Bush and his pals a free pass, how come? Don't tell me it is because they want to heal the country, that smoozz BS wont wash. Disappointed, I am
You cannot deny that two parties, whether they are too close in composition, nature and outlook are still two very separate sets of people. Having a different set take power in one of the three branches does make some difference. It will be harder for Bush to get the sort of SCOTUS justice as he would like. The war and aspects of it will be leveraged in ways to damage and hurt Bush. The people taking over in Congress are subject to reacting to their constituents differently and new opportunities for leverage are opened up. You forget too I am a forest activist and the Bush administration has done incredible damage to policy and planning in our national forests from now accepting our survey results showing endangered species such as voles who live in the tops of old growth are in timber sales and thus forcing them to modify them making them smaller or canceling them. Clinton for all his faults was far kinder in terms of those natural resource issues near and dear to my heart. So with a return of control to of Congress to the Democrats, it will be far easier to get th government to dialog on natural resource issues then when the Republicans had control. There are several natural resource political action groups here where my office is, and everyone is excited at the thought of containing, controlling and reversing the damage done to our pet issues under Bush. Therefore I apologize for nothing, and while I am indeed deeply disgusted and cynical concerning the two party system, I know where a change effects me where I live, and I am happy to be relieved more old growth is going to be back off the chopping block with the Dems in control of Congress.
I would point out too that my focus in happiness in the change is very much reflected in my choice of a picture of me up in a tree that was one of several I tried to save here in Eugene in a sit. I put it in as the positives of the switchover in my pet advocacy is very much paramount in my mind at this point in time.
#2. To: Coral Snake (#0)
#3. To: mirage (#2)
"Why would anyone vote for a Republican who acts like a Democrat when you can get the real thing?"
Tree sit, Eugene, Oregon
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
I want Democrats to stay sober and responsive to the needs of the people and to consolidate and expand on the win Tuesday.
#6. To: Cynicom (#5)
"Your democrat party partisanship is showing as I had come to think you were a thinking person, one that was an American, not a dem or a pub."
Tree sit, Eugene, Oregon
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
If you think I want Congress to just be continually controlled by th same party, you are just flat wrong.
#8. To: Cynicom (#7)
"I am disappointed that you have fallen into line with a party partisanship. Anyone thinking there will any difference, any change with a change of party is deluding themselves."
Tree sit, Eugene, Oregon
#9. To: Cynicom (#7)
Tree sit, Eugene, Oregon
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