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Title: Need Some Health Help from Informed Healthy People
Source: me
URL Source: http://www.mydesperatebrain.com
Published: Nov 11, 2006
Author: Cappy
Post Date: 2006-11-11 08:37:38 by CAPPSMADNESS
Keywords: None
Views: 4927
Comments: 167

Hey all! I could use some advice. As some of you know, I have been fighting some health issues for quite some time. I have been to more doctors and specialists then my memory can hold and take so many pills that I am called the Department Pharmacy at work.

I have come to you - oh great and all knowing people of healthy stuff, for advice. Zip and Chris know that I have a few permanent conditions that I don't want to share, but I have some really odd non-related stuff as well.

1. The corners of my mouth crack and bleed for no reason. My son says it scares him because he is afraid that it means that my mouth is getting bigger. Anyways, I have seen multiple causes for this - but no real cures. Are there any vitamins that I should be taking to help at least prevent this?

2. I have NO energy, I am nearly always half asleep no matter how much I drink cofee.

3. I have no apetite. A few of my meds cause this - but is there something out there that I can take to stimulate my apetite?

4. My immune system sucks eggs - this is due to a few meds too - but is there anything *natural* that I should take to try to boost it?

And on a side note - pay no attention to Zip when she starts yelling at me to go to the doctor - I hate going to the doctors.

;0)

Thanks for any ideas you offer!

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#116. To: innieway (#111)

Riding horses is something I dearly miss. And I've never got to do it very much since I was a kid. I'm afraid I'm still much of a novice at it.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-11-11   13:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: innieway, christine, black walnut hull hunters here (#115)

Here's one place of tons of places to buy.

Lod  posted on  2006-11-11   13:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: lodwick (#114)

My great-nephew won the "bucking bull" (really a barrel with a saddle on it) contest at the State Fair this year in the three-year-old class

That's really cool!!! Congrats, you have a natural in the family!!

He'll love it!!! Won't be long, and he'll be gone for hours at a time with his best friend in the whole world...

Our lives with horses are rich with feeling. If you've ever... choked back tears watching a new foal wobble to his feet for the first time... or watching your good horse wobble to his feet after surgery... or seen the ends of the reins float straight out as a reining horse spins beneath them... or chuckled to yourself as you watched a tiny tot on a patient pony trot through a barrel pattern at a saddle club playday... or felt the building tremble as an eight-up hitch of feather-legged giants towed a hand-carved beer wagon into the arena... or had your heart stop when you saw your horse lying motionless in the pasture on a sunny day -- and waited breathlessly to see an ear flicker... or cheered at the screen when The Man From Snowy River slid Dunnie down the mountainside, or when Seabiscuit made his final surge to best War Admiral... or cruised along the highway and seen a horse in the pasture and wondered what he's like to ride... or pictured him as a prospect... or sucked in your breath as a horse and rider approached a six-foot wall... or sworn a solemn oath to your horse that together you would triumph... or flipped through the TV channels and stopped when you saw a horse... even when it was a commercial... or laughed aloud when you rubbed your horse's face and he rubbed back... or gotten chills hearing Dave Johnson's "...and DOWN THE STRETCH THEY COME!" (Or "Run For The Roses" circa 1980 ish?) or stood in awe at your horse in morning play as he sprinted around the pasture, then stopped, head erect, and snorted defiance at the rest of the world... or been thankful to see wild horses grazing casually at the foot of a hill... or felt calmed by the sleekness of a silky haircoat beneath your hand... or felt your jaw drop as you watched a Lipizzan perform a capriole... or if you've ever seen someone in the grocery store wearing a certain kind of hat or boots or buckle, or have a certain cut and length to their jeans... and felt some remote kind of connection... or felt warmed by a soft-nicker greeting you as you entered the barn... If you've ever been moved by any of these feelings, then you've seen the awesome power of God's creations.

Some people are like slinkies - they serve no useful purpose, except to put a smile on your face when you push them down stairs.

innieway  posted on  2006-11-11   13:57:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: innieway (#118)

If you've ever been moved by any of these feelings, then you've seen the awesome power of God's creations.

Indeed, all true.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-11-11   14:02:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: lodwick (#117)

Man...is that ever a great resource. There is such a wealth of information on this thread re: health issues; I am bookmarking it, and suggest everyone else do the same.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-11-11   14:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: who knows what evil (#120)

good idea

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-11-11   14:09:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: lodwick (#110)

I have had experience with people who have that sort of competitive personality. Steve Prefontaine used to live down the street from me and owned a gold MGB (the car he crashed and died of suffocation in).

Mom bought an MG Midget and was off at the office and driving the Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser. Steve gave a quick knock on the screen door the week she got it and said hi as he walked in without an invite. He commented on the Midget and scooped up the keys on the table in the dining room and said he was going to try it and that he'd be right back. Me and my brother had not said yes or no, he just grabbed the keys and drive off with it.

I called Mom and told her and there was silence at her end for a minute. All she said was, "call me when he comes back." I did and put him on the phone.

All they did was talk for half an hour about sports cars. After that, Mom would tell everyone who broached the topic of her car with pride that Steve Prefontaine himself had driven her car. Go figure.

I was on the road in Connecticut when the news about his death came. I barely made it to the side of the road to stop I was so grieved. We sure miss him here in Eugene. He too was a great man, a firebrand, a trend setter and a free independent spirit.

We were lucky and blessed to have him. I sure miss him.

Sheldon McMurphy Johnson house Tree sit, Eugene, Oregon

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-11   14:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: lodwick (#80)

Thanks for the CelticSeaSalt information - I see that our local WholeFoods stores carry it.

You are killing me here today...my wife and I LOVE 'Whole Foods' markets; everyone should shop there, if you are fortunate enough to have one nearby. (Click here to find out.)

While living in the Upper Connecticut River valley; we would travel 240 miles ROUND TRIP just to shop at the Whole Foods market in Hadley, Mass. (The only reason I would visit that sewer.) Shopping there is almost a religious experience for those of us who don't have local access to one. I just found one in Greenville SC (coincidentally; home of my favorite chicken wing/cold beer establishment), and am more than willing to make the trip just to shop there. For some odd reason, there is NO ACCESS to any establishment selling nutrional/healthy FOOD in East Tennessee. No wonder the medical cartel rules this area with an iron fist.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-11-11   14:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#0)

Feeling tired and loss of appetite without a concomitant loss in weight and poor immune system - have you been tested for hypothyroidism? You need a physician to administer the tests - TSH and Free T3 and Free T4 levels.

There are other symptoms of hypothyroidism which you may or may not have - hair breaking or some hair loss, pale dry skin, outside edges of eyebrows thinning, nails not growing or splitting if they do grow, consistently low body temperature than normal, cold intolerance, constipation, memory loss.

scrapper2  posted on  2006-11-11   14:50:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: innieway (#111)

are those pics of you and your horses? if so, can i come visit? ;)

When will they learn that a heart doesn't draw the line...

christine  posted on  2006-11-11   15:05:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: who knows what evil, ALL (#120)

bookmarking. me too. a lot of 4'ers don't know that's an option we have here. the link is under each article. click bookmark. then go to setup page and click the homepage tab. bookmarks are listed on that page.

When will they learn that a heart doesn't draw the line...

christine  posted on  2006-11-11   15:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: innieway (#118)

...or felt your jaw drop as you watched a Lipizzan perform a capriole... or if you've ever seen someone in the grocery store wearing a certain kind of hat or boots or buckle, or have a certain cut and length to their jeans... and felt some remote kind of connection... or felt warmed by a soft-nicker greeting you as you entered the barn... If you've ever been moved by any of these feelings, then you've seen the awesome power of God's creations.

Part of a wonderful tribute - thanks.

We were fortunate to see a Lipizzaner's practice session while in Vienna - I believe it was even more amazing than watching one of their touring shows because you could see all ages, and all stages, of what they go through to achieve the perfection that they take on the road.

Cutting and roping quarter horses, Tennessee Walkers, Arabians, and the American thoroughbred are my "favorites."

Lod  posted on  2006-11-11   15:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: christine (#125)

are those pics of you and your horses?

No, I wouldn't want to put pics of my horses on the web.. I don't want Homeland Security to be able to identify my getaway vehicle...

What, you wouldn't come visit otherwise?? ;)

Some people are like slinkies - they serve no useful purpose, except to put a smile on your face when you push them down stairs.

innieway  posted on  2006-11-11   15:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: who knows what evil (#120)

There is such a wealth of information on this thread re: health issues; I am bookmarking it, and suggest everyone else do the same.

algore did very well when he invented the internet.

The Herbs Place is indeed worthy of bookmarking.

Lod  posted on  2006-11-11   15:23:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Ferret Mike (#122)

We were lucky and blessed to have him. I sure miss him.

I feel very lucky that I made it long enough to slow my ass down - besides, I have no desire to make any new cop-type acquaintances while on the road. I've had the MGB, BMW, Mercedes SL and other rigs that could have been my demise, back when. Now, my pick-up gets me where I need to be in a timely enough manner.

Lod  posted on  2006-11-11   15:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: who knows what evil (#123)

For some odd reason, there is NO ACCESS to any establishment selling nutritional/healthy FOOD in East Tennessee. No wonder the medical cartel rules this area with an iron fist.

One thing I learned way back from my HomeEc teacher mom, was that if you want some product stocked in a store, go to the manager and ask for it. Here in Austin, the "organic" sections of the groceries seem to be growing daily as more people are learning of the crap that's in many of our food-stuff, and are willing to pay a bit more for better quality product.

Lod  posted on  2006-11-11   15:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: lodwick (#127)

We were fortunate to see a Lipizzaner's practice session while in Vienna - I believe it was even more amazing than watching one of their touring shows because you could see all ages, and all stages, of what they go through to achieve the perfection that they take on the road.

Few people realize just how amazing the feats those magnificent beauties perform really are. They make it look so simple and natural in their "road shows".

If cost were no object, it would be a lot easier for me to name the very few breeds I wouldn't care about owning, rather than the ones I would.. I'd love to have a Cleveland Bay, Friesan, Salerno, and of course a Shire... BTW, the largest horse ever on record was a Shire named Samson - he measured 21.2 hh, and weighed 3360 lbs!!!

Some people are like slinkies - they serve no useful purpose, except to put a smile on your face when you push them down stairs.

innieway  posted on  2006-11-11   15:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: lodwick (#131)

One thing I learned way back from my HomeEc teacher mom, was that if you want some product stocked in a store, go to the manager and ask for it.

The locals aren't interested. They like it deep-fried, with plenty of lard, to boot. I give up..."pearls before swine", and all that.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-11-11   15:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: christine (#98)

do you do these essential oils orally?

I use the lavender for surface wounds.

I use the peppermint, a drop in a glass of water, if I have a queasy stomach.

The lemon I mostly use for cleaning all kinds of things -- a drop in the dishwater, bath, cleaning furnitive.

A little of all of them go a long way.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-11-11   17:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#0)

Somebody here mentioned something about parasites, but I'm not going through 134 posts to find out who.

Best thing for that, probably, is wormwood.

DO NOT USE THE ESSENTIAL OIL. It's poisonous, not to mention unbearably bitter.

Tea's fine. Just type "wormwood parasites" into Google and you'll get all kinds of info.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-11-11   17:25:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: YertleTurtle, christine, all (#134)

A little of all of them go a long way.

As pricey as they are, they need to go a long way.

Commercial grade lemon and orange oil are great for furniture as well as stainless steel surfaces, I learned way back while working for PizzaInn. FWIW

Lod  posted on  2006-11-11   17:26:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: who knows what evil, christine, lodwick, CAPPSMADNESS, All (#95) (Edited)

The nutritional drink is called Vibe.

https://www.enivamembers.com/? ID=286225

Here is an mp3 also http://ourbest4u.com/audio/1025 06vibe.mp3

And this one with Dr. Burba, a Naturopath for 33 years.
http://ourbest4u.com/audio/0413 06drb3.mp3

More product info:http://www.enivamembers.com/zvibe_1.aspx?ID=286225 Also, from the nanotechnology people who brought you the Energy Enhancer patch, we have the Skin Care system which has a Glutathione patch that is the master anti-oxidant and detoxifier. It recycles Vitamin C and E, CoQ10 and CoA.

You can see more here: http://www.lifewave.com/nanopower19 Click on the Skin Care system. The patch may be ordered alone. You do not need to get the whole Skin Care package.

This patch increases glutathione by 300% in 24 hours. The closest competitor is 30% in 30 days.

I will hold off with the zeolite product for now since the Vibe is so much better.

And the glutathione patch is a monstrous success as far as results. Even people who have quit smoking 20 years ago can smell the nicotine coming out of their skin.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-11-11   17:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: lodwick (#136)

Commercial grade lemon and orange oil are great for furniture as well as stainless steel surfaces, I learned way back while working for PizzaInn. FWIW

Lemon makes things smell good and it disinfects. Great for wood, too. I put a couple of drops in a water spritzer, and it goes a long, long way.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-11-11   17:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: YertleTurtle, christine, romantic devils and dolls (#134) (Edited)

I use the lavender for surface wounds.

I have another use for lavender...combine a few drops with a mixing oil, and massage it into your wife/girl friend's back. Two essential steps: make sure the phone is off the hook, and your kids are nowhere around (preferably a friend/relative's house).

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-11-11   17:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: who knows what evil (#139)

I have another use for http://lavender...combine a few drops with a mixing oil, and massage it into your wife/girl friend's back. Two essential steps: make sure the phone is off the hook, and your kids are nowhere around (preferably a friend/relative's house).

Lavender smells great, and it drives women nuts.

Check out a lavender cologne called Puig.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-11-11   18:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: who knows what evil, Yertle Turtle, lavender fans here (#139)

Oddly, Mrs.L does NOT like the scent of lavender - I believe that she OD'ed on it at her grandmothers' place way back when.

Lod  posted on  2006-11-11   18:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: who knows what evil (#139)

I use the lavender for surface wounds.

sounds like a soothing cure

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-11-11   18:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: YertleTurtle (#140)

Check out a lavender cologne called Puig.

I "googled" it, but I'm a bit confused. The Quorum? The splash? The unisex one? Inquiring minds, and all that...

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-11-11   18:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: who knows what evil (#143)

I "googled" it, but I'm a bit confused. The Quorum? The splash? The unisex one? Inquiring minds, and all that...

They're all nice, but I just liked the plain old cologne. It tends to be a bit expensive, but on the Internet you can find some pretty inexpensive prices on it.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-11-11   19:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: YertleTurtle (#144)

They're all nice, but I just liked the plain old cologne. It tends to be a bit expensive, but on the Internet you can find some pretty inexpensive prices on it.

My wife LOVES lavender, so I will give it a try. Thanks!

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-11-11   19:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: who knows what evil, christine, lodwick, CAPPSMADNESS, All (#137) (Edited)

BTTT

Just so you do not miss the info.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-11-12   15:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: who knows what evil, Yertle Turtle, lodwick, ALL (#74)

my source for coconut milk powder. i put a tablespoon in my one cup of morning coffee. it makes it thick, frothy, and delicious.

christine  posted on  2006-11-12   16:42:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: christine (#147)

You should try coconut rum in coffee.. gawd its so good :P

Zipporah  posted on  2006-11-12   16:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Zipporah (#148)

where do you get it?

christine  posted on  2006-11-12   16:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#0)

Hi Cappy! I read an article about the sides of the mouth being cracked and/or chapped, and they say this is often caused by too much yeast in the system. Yeast can also make a person feel very tired, and some people, especially if their immune system is not up to par can have this condition. Most people associate yeast with vaginal yeast infections, but men can have this condition too, often it will reside in the intestines and other parts of the body.

You can buy those healthy bacterias (can't think of what they are called now) that are healthy for the gut and keep yeast in check. In Europe they used to sell small bottles of this in their grocery stores, and I'm sure you can find it in health food stores near where you live. They sell it in pill form, but the liquid form works better as the bacteria survive longer in liquid.

I just saw this thread and have not read it yet, perhaps someone else has already written about this, but it wouldn't hurt to buy some of this stuff and see if it does not help clear up the problem.

This might sound gross, but you could also buy over the counter yeast infection cream and put dabs of it on the sides of your mouth before going to bed, and that would most likely help clear up the cracking at the sides of the mouth.

I am often tired too, and will have to start working full time soon. It's tough to always feel tired, and have to deal with a family and a job, that in itself is enough to wear a person out. Good luck to you, I am sure there will be many helpful hints in this thread, maybe I'll run across some info on fatigue as I need to increase my energy level as well.

Diana  posted on  2006-11-12   16:57:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Diana (#150)

Probiotics can be found at http://www.vitacost.com .

Five billion microorganisms per cap is what they claim - my tummy should be crawling with'em.

Lod  posted on  2006-11-12   17:03:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Diana, CAPPSMADNESS (#150)

yeast

Probiotics is the remedy for yeast infections. There are many good products.

The idea is to populate your gut with the good bacteria. These bacteria then keep the bad bacteria, such as Candida, under control. But you have to keep up with it since our diets do not give us what we need to keep the good bacteria thriving. Also, taking drugs and antibiotics will kill the good bacteria and allow the yeast to take hold.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-11-12   17:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: innieway (#111)

Sure looks like SE Utah there, Innie. Ceader Mesa area. Is it?

tom007  posted on  2006-11-12   17:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#0)

Where are you?

Are you allright?

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-11-12   17:15:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: CAPPSMADNESS, all women here (#2)

Another thing, I don't know how old you are, though it seems I've heard you're one of the babies here.

It's now known that when women reach their late 30s (don't know if you are there yet), their bodies don't produce as much progesterone as they once did. This can cause fatigue, PMS, insomnia, grouchiness, and weight gain. Many women in their 40s are affected by this, and they now have bio-identical natural progesterone cream that you simply rub on your skin (anywhere on your body where there is thin skin) and it soaks in and helps to relieve some of those symptoms.

This past year I started having problems with insomnia, and occasional bad moods and such, and I found a pharmacy in Anchorage that has bio-identical hormones that they compound, so you know the stuff is fresh and an exact dose. I started using their progesterone cream and it has helped somewhat with the insomnia and other things. They now make bio-identical estrogen too, but most women don't need that until after menopause, and many women decide they don't want to use any hormones.

You can buy progesterone cream over the counter, they probably have that at health food stores also. Some brands are better than others, many are just as good as the natural bio-identical progesterone compounded at pharmacies.

The pharmaceutical hormones, such as progestin and premarin are not natural to our bodies, and many women can't take those as they cause too many unwanted side effects. For instance I was never able to take birth control pills. In order for the pharmaceutical companies to make a profit on women's hormones, they have to change the molecular structure somewhat in order to have a patent. The big pharms don't like compounding pharmacies as they make natural hormones which women's bodies soak right up and use correctly, because they are a competition to their adulterated hormones which aren't as good since they tend to have the side effects.

However the natural progesterone has no bad side effects, is easy to use and is also amazingly cheap. There is information on the internet about this, along with brands that are good, the progesterone has to be in a cream that makes it absorb in the body, and the expiration date is very short, so these are important factors when choosing a brand to use.

Diana  posted on  2006-11-12   17:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: YertleTurtle (#11)

I've got blond hair and blue eyes, and the last time I saw the doctor (in the winter) he tested the Vitamin D in my blood and told me I had only half what I should have. He told me to take cod liver oil during the winter. So I did, and the change in how I feel during the winter has been very noticeable.

There's very little sun here now and many people in this area don't have enough vitamin D. I know they sell vitamin D pills, but I wonder if it's best to take it in the form of cod liver oil??

Diana  posted on  2006-11-12   17:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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