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Title: Leave Christmas alone, say Muslims (Muslims side with Christians)
Source: Telegraph.co.uk
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai ... l=/news/2006/11/13/nxmas13.xml
Published: Nov 13, 2006
Author: Jonathan Petre
Post Date: 2006-11-12 22:14:48 by scrapper2
Keywords: Christmas, Muslims
Views: 959
Comments: 40

Muslim leaders joined their Christian counterparts yesterday to launch a powerful attack on politicians and town halls that play down Christmas.

They warned that attempts to remove religion from the festival were fuelling Right-wing extremism.

A number of town halls have tried to excise references to Christianity from Christmas, in one case by renaming their municipal celebrations "Winterval". They have often justified their actions by saying Britain is now a multi-faith society and they are anxious to avoid offending minority groups.

But the Muslim leaders said they honoured Christmas and that local authorities were playing into the hands of extremists who were able to blame Muslim communities for undermining Britain's Christian culture.

The unprecedented broadside was delivered by the Christian Muslim Forum, which was launched this year by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, with the support of Tony Blair.

The forum's reaction reflects growing anger among Christians and other faiths about the efforts of secularists to push religion to the margins of public life.

In 1998 Birmingham renamed its celebrations "Winterval", and in 2001 Luton described its Christmas lights as "luminos", taken from Harry Potter.

Last week, the Church of England criticised Royal Mail for issuing Christmas stamps with no Christian theme.

The forum, which draws half its membership from senior members of the Muslim community, said in a statement that "as Muslims and Christians together" it was "wholeheartedly committed" to the religious recognition of Christian festivals.

"Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus and we wish this significant part of the Christian heritage of this country to remain an acknowledged part of national life.

"The desire to secularise religious festivals is offensive to both of our communities."

The statement, signed by the forum's chairman, the Bishop of Bolton, the Rt Rev David Gillett, and its vice-chairman, Dr Ataullah Siddiqui, urged society to promote religious freedom.

"Those who use the fact of religious pluralism as an excuse to de-Christianise British society unthinkingly become recruiting agents for the extreme Right. They provoke antagonism towards Muslims and others by foisting on them an anti-Christian agenda they do not hold."

Bishop Gillett said in a separate article that it was strange that so many public bodies were nervous or dismissive about Christmas when 72 per cent of Britons described themselves as Christian in the 2001 Census.

Any repetition by councils to rename Christmas so as not to offend other faith communities will "backfire badly" on the Muslim community, he said. "Sadly it is they who get the blame — and for something they are not saying."

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#2. To: scrapper2 (#0)

PROPHET JESUS (PBUH) IN QURAN 2-87 5-73 19-21 6-85 3-45

2-136 5-75 19-35 3-55 3-49

2-253 19-19 43-64 4-171 3-59

5-72 19-20 4-157 5-116 5-17

2-87 We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. We gave Jesus, the Son of Mary clear signs and strengthened Him with the Holy Spirit.

2-136 Say Ye "We believe in God and the revelation given to us, to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, to the tribes, to Moses, Jesus and to all prophets from their Lord." We make no difference between them, and we bow to Allah as a Muslim.

2-253 To Jesus, the son of Mary, we gave clear signs and strengthen Him with the Holy Spirit.

5-72 They do blasphemy on those who say, "God is Christ, the son of Mary". Christ said, "O children of Israel worship God my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins God with other gods will not go to heaven, the hell fire will be his resting place. These are the wrongdoers.

5-73 They do blasphemy on those who say, "Allah is one of three in a Trinity", for there is no God but one God.

5-75 Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger like the messengers that passed away before Him. His mother was a woman of truth. God makes His signs clear to them, yet they are deluded away from the truth.

19-19 Then we sent her our Angel and he appeared before her as a man in all respects, she said, "I seek refuge from thee to God most gracious." He said, "Nay I am only a messenger from thy Lord to thee with the Gift of a Holy son."

19-20 She said, "How shall I have a son when no man has touched me and I am not unchaste?"

19-21 He said, "So it will be", thy Lord saith, "That is easy for me and we wish to appoint Him as a sign unto man and a mercy from us", and so it was decreed.

19-35 It is not fitting to God that He should beget a Son. Glory be to Him. When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. (KON FA YAKOON).

43-64 Jesus said, "For Allah, He is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him".

4-157 They said in boast, "We killed Jesus Christ, son of Mary, the messenger of God." But they killed Him not, nor crucified Him, but so it was made to appear to them. Those who differ are full of doubts with no certain knowledge. Nay Allah raise him up unto Himself.

SOURCE: http://www.icbh.org/topics/issa.htm

Max  posted on  2006-11-12   22:27:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Max (#2)

A Muslim friend has told me of the honor Jesus, and also Mary, are revered in Islam. More alliances as this should happen to fight against the secular and religious extremists. Those are enemies of both the faiths. And these British Christians and Muslims are smart enough to realize that and act as one against them.

gargantuton  posted on  2006-11-12   22:44:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: gargantuton (#12)

A Muslim friend has told me of the honor Jesus, and also Mary, are revered in Islam. More alliances as this should happen to fight against the secular and religious extremists. Those are enemies of both the faiths. And these British Christians and Muslims are smart enough to realize that and act as one against them.

This sort of alliance will cause a lot of heartburn in some quarters.

robin  posted on  2006-11-12   22:50:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: robin, gargantuton, BTP Holdings (#15)

gargantuton: A Muslim friend has told me of the honor Jesus, and also Mary, are revered in Islam. More alliances as this should happen to fight against the secular and religious extremists. Those are enemies of both the faiths. And these British Christians and Muslims are smart enough to realize that and act as one against them.

robin:This sort of alliance will cause a lot of heartburn in some quarters.

I remember distinctly that when Mike Wallace interviewed Iranian PM Ahmadinejad, the fact that Muslims honor Jesus Christ was brought up by Ahmadinejad...Wallace did not pursue that topic at all.

Interesting....

scrapper2  posted on  2006-11-12   22:56:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: scrapper2 (#19)

I remember distinctly that when Mike Wallace interviewed Iranian PM Ahmadinejad, the fact that Muslims honor Jesus Christ was brought up by Ahmadinejad...Wallace did not pursue that topic at all.

Mary is honored. Jesus is a prophet. He just didn't get the job done, so to speak I look at it this way -- Muslims think that Christians undershot the runway, while Christians think Muslims overshot it... either way, the plane didn't land on the right spot.

gargantuton  posted on  2006-11-12   22:58:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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