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Title: Leave Christmas alone, say Muslims (Muslims side with Christians)
Source: Telegraph.co.uk
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai ... l=/news/2006/11/13/nxmas13.xml
Published: Nov 13, 2006
Author: Jonathan Petre
Post Date: 2006-11-12 22:14:48 by scrapper2
Keywords: Christmas, Muslims
Views: 958
Comments: 40

Muslim leaders joined their Christian counterparts yesterday to launch a powerful attack on politicians and town halls that play down Christmas.

They warned that attempts to remove religion from the festival were fuelling Right-wing extremism.

A number of town halls have tried to excise references to Christianity from Christmas, in one case by renaming their municipal celebrations "Winterval". They have often justified their actions by saying Britain is now a multi-faith society and they are anxious to avoid offending minority groups.

But the Muslim leaders said they honoured Christmas and that local authorities were playing into the hands of extremists who were able to blame Muslim communities for undermining Britain's Christian culture.

The unprecedented broadside was delivered by the Christian Muslim Forum, which was launched this year by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, with the support of Tony Blair.

The forum's reaction reflects growing anger among Christians and other faiths about the efforts of secularists to push religion to the margins of public life.

In 1998 Birmingham renamed its celebrations "Winterval", and in 2001 Luton described its Christmas lights as "luminos", taken from Harry Potter.

Last week, the Church of England criticised Royal Mail for issuing Christmas stamps with no Christian theme.

The forum, which draws half its membership from senior members of the Muslim community, said in a statement that "as Muslims and Christians together" it was "wholeheartedly committed" to the religious recognition of Christian festivals.

"Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus and we wish this significant part of the Christian heritage of this country to remain an acknowledged part of national life.

"The desire to secularise religious festivals is offensive to both of our communities."

The statement, signed by the forum's chairman, the Bishop of Bolton, the Rt Rev David Gillett, and its vice-chairman, Dr Ataullah Siddiqui, urged society to promote religious freedom.

"Those who use the fact of religious pluralism as an excuse to de-Christianise British society unthinkingly become recruiting agents for the extreme Right. They provoke antagonism towards Muslims and others by foisting on them an anti-Christian agenda they do not hold."

Bishop Gillett said in a separate article that it was strange that so many public bodies were nervous or dismissive about Christmas when 72 per cent of Britons described themselves as Christian in the 2001 Census.

Any repetition by councils to rename Christmas so as not to offend other faith communities will "backfire badly" on the Muslim community, he said. "Sadly it is they who get the blame — and for something they are not saying."

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#10. To: scrapper2 (#0)

Much ado about nothing. Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-11-12   22:43:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: who knows what evil (#10)

Much ado about nothing. Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

While it's true that Christ's birthday has been woefully commercialized, there's still the belief with 80% of Americans and probably a similar percentage in Western nations who self identify as Christians that Jesus Christ was born on an approx. date that the religious holiday,Christmas, celebrates and it was this same Jesus Christ who was later crucified on the cross by people known as ..."Christ killers" for no better descriptor I can think of at this moment...

The whole point of efforts to do away with Christmas is to have Western societies not honor the birth of Jesus Christ, the Saviour, yes?

scrapper2  posted on  2006-11-12   22:51:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: scrapper2, BTP Holdings, whoknowswhatevil (#17)

While it's true that Christ's birthday has been woefully commercialized, there's still the belief with 80% of Americans and probably a similar percentage in Western nations who self identify as Christians that Jesus Christ was born on an approx. date that the religious holiday,Christmas,

agreed, but even ignorance does not allow for the fact that God specifically told "Christians" in Jeremiah, 10, NOT to have a Christmas tree.

Now God referred to a Christmas tree as "the way of the heathen", is that any way to celebrate His son's birthday? Of course not, but then again, Christians are NOT celebrating his son's birthday, they are celebrating Mithra's birthday!!

Most knowledgable Christians will admit that it is generally assumed that the Christ was NOT born in the winter, and that December 25th is simply a day CHOSEN to celebrate his birth. Kind of odd that they chose the birthday of a pagan God, whose traditions were warned against in the Bible, who was born of a virgin, the human son of a God, who is part of a holy trinity???

http://www.geocities.com/birthofjesus/enchr5.pdf

ladybug  posted on  2006-11-12   23:22:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: ladybug (#26) (Edited)

NOT to have a Christmas tree.

Right, it's a Hanukah bush. I gave up the heathen holidays, including the pagan Easter celebrations. The Christmas shopping commercial BS just makes me nuts. All that garbage was already on display in the big box stores right after the first of November.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-11-12   23:30:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: BTP Holdings (#27)

The Christmas shopping commercial BS just makes me nuts.

me too! the traffic around here on weekends from 11/1 through 1/2 is horrendous.

christine  posted on  2006-11-12   23:50:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: christine (#30)

the traffic around here on weekends from 11/1 through 1/2 is horrendous.

you'll have that when delusional people get behind the wheel. ;)

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