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Title: Someone trying to log keystrokes here
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Published: Nov 15, 2006
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2006-11-15 05:15:16 by YertleTurtle
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Comments: 23
I was just trying to write a letter here using Mail, and my firewall told me someone was trying to log my keystrokes. I denied the attempt, and my connection disconnected and wouldn't connect. I had to restart the computer, and it happened again. I was using IE, so I restarted with Opera, and the problem is gone. I find it interesting that someone, or some program, was trying to read what I wrote to someone here. I've never had this happen before in my life.
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#1. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
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Oh Jesus! Of course I've assumed that I'm monitored for many years, ever since the first time when they let me know I was.
Well, they're wasting their time with me, unless they want to read posts about my pug Norman or others about what people eat. What a bunch of goofballs.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
There's no doubt that web-worms (scum) slither around the net and into forums to track dissidents. The scumbags that invent tracking software are simply spying for their zionazi masters. When our numbers are too great for them to handle, they'll slither back under the rocks they belong under.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
Well, if they want to read my posts about my trying to talk women into dressing up like female Klingons, or look at pictures of my pug, or read about Celtic sea salt, they're welcome to. They're completely wasting their time with me, or, for that matter, with anyone else here. What a bunch of paranoid fricking morons.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
I went back to Indianapolis a few years ago for about a year. While I was there I frequented a couple of bars known to be hang-outs where my high school chums could be found. These bars were located in the more "seedy" part of town, and most patrons blue collar types. I overheard two hill-billies discussing the fact that they thought their phones were tapped ... and I nearly busted out laughing in their face, thinking sheesh, what has the world come to when these know nothing, do nothing hill- jacks think someone wants to listen in on their phone calls. (Maybe I was wrong).
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
In my case it was the re-election campaign of DE Sen. William Roth. (of ROTH IRA infamy) I was upset because he took NRA money for years and sported an "A" rating every election, then voted for the so called "assault weapons and magazine ban". So, I went on talk radio and cable access TV and made fun of his bad rug every chance I got, and I even met him at an open house held at a nearby chemical plant. When he realized that I was giving him hell he threw his palms up and walked away, and within two weeks I had an IRS letter claiming I "owed" 40 bazillion bux. (This is the best reason why they won't abolish the tax or the IRS-it's a weapon against dissidents) All through the campaign (which he was sweating because he was opposed by our popular 3-term AG) there were scratching and clicking noises every time I used the phone-even the people on the other end asked about it, and the day after the campaign when he was re-elected, the noises stopped. At that time they WANTED ME TO KNOW, and now I assume they monitor without the clicks.
How do you write a letter here using Mail? Do you mean you were sending someone on the forum a private mail? I’m no pro, but wouldn’t it seem that if your firewall detected the attempt it was amateurish? Coming to the net I assume two things; 1) every word we post is read by someone other than the intended audience, and 2) our government, ever growing, is curious about all things internet. That said if we aren’t bold enough to continue to exchange ideas and comments, publicly, we best start looking for a cave to live in.
i've never had anything like this happen to me and i'm the owner of the forum. Neil, you have any idea what happened here?
This election was a planned step back to take two steps forward.
I am a hill billy.
Original or swiped?
i don't understand the question?
This election was a planned step back to take two steps forward.
Is the abv saying yours or did u swipe it????
swiped. i heard it said by someone on a RBN radio show. i thought it was astute.
This election was a planned step back to take two steps forward.
There is a mail function here to write a private letter to another member. My firewall (Windows) did not detect the attempt. Another program I run -- Cyberhawk -- caught it. When I switched from IE to Opera, the problem was taken care of. I do not know what happened, but I'll never use IE again.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
Me too !
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
Okay, that's helpful to know it was pmail and not email, though.... I'm not sure what to make of it. Short of giving your PC an autopsy it's hard to be certain. Technically, firewalls only screen your computer from the outside world. Many programs running on your computer will readily process information sent to it from the internet on the assumption that the information is innocent. The "firewall" is there to make sure that only information your computer is expecting is accepted. Any information that doesn't pass the sniff test is thrown away, maybe alerting you if it looks really suspicious. Anything that looks good is accepted and passed on to the program that it's suitable for. Keystroke monitoring is normally conducted by hostile software installed on your PC, called "spyware" as it's software that spies on you. I don't know that it's possible for outside internet attacks on your PC to monitor your every keystroke without spyware being installed on your PC. Since firewalls normally monitor just data going into & (maybe) out of the PC, I wouldn't expect firewalls to monitor any internal keystroking, but maybe it just saw the keystroke info going out and alerted you. On the other hand, maybe your firewall software monitors not only data going into and out of the PC but also programs that might spy on you. What firewall package are you using? Does it advertise spyware detection or just keystroke transmission detection? Either way, *IF* you really did encounter some spying activity on your PC, my best opinion is that it means there is/was keyboard monitoring spyware on your computer, and that switching from MSIE to Opera or firefox may or may not be a suitable solution. It depends on where this spyware is. If it's running as an independent program then I'd expect it to not matter what browser you were using, or even if you were doing regular email, editing a word document or anything else. OTOH, If the spyware was part of MSIE, then not using it would adequately evade the spyware. Maybe the spyware was in the form of a java program from a website you visited earlier. I'd open up the browser again just to look at past sites you visited to see any of them might be suspicious candidates. I'm no fan of MSIE anyway, and because it's proprietary code, MSIE users are trusting MS to have not installed any spyware in it. Some years ago MS was accused of installing encryption keys for the NSA when a test release errantly containing some inert labels which are normally not needed for end users. One of them was "NSA_KEY" or something like that. The accusation was that whenever the PC did some encryption for visiting secure sites or encryping email, it encrypted not just for the recipient but for the NSA also, allowing either party to decrypt it. MS denied it, and that's where it ended. Maybe. The other possibility is that it was a false alarm. Are you sure your firewall package alerted you and not some pop-up browser box advertising something? If so, are you sure your firewall's message was reliable and accurate? Many times such software can't be as certain of the information it's examining, but makes the best guess it can. On a parting note, if I've not yet done so, can I recomend switching from Windows to Linux.... ;^)
hihi if its a keylogger its going to try to record all the keystrokes no matter what the software but they are generally believed to be restricted to Windows PCs. there are some useful tools that can detect and remove things like this such as Spybot Search & Destroy http:// www.safer-networking.org or A-squared http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/ - they will help but if you are really worried, use the advice at Spywarewarrior's forum http://spywarewarrior.com/sww-help.htm - they also keep a blacklist of bogus or suspect anti-spyware tools which can actually make things worse!
love ruthie What I usually do if I suspect something is funny with my system is pull up Task Manager (Ctrl + Alt + Del, on Win XP) and look in the "Processes" tab. Then I look in the "Image Name" column. If there is something there that I don't recognize, I'll google it to see if it's spyware or something harmless. But if your system has been blue-pilled or root-kitted it wouldn't show up there. Those are still kinda rare and the only thing you can do at that point is wipe the drive and start over.
"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk."
OD, thanks for this. I just checked mine and all is well. BTW, the last tab shows "USERS" - I assume this will show me if anyone but myself is using this ISP. Right?
"Users" usually just tells you what other computers are on your LAN, if you have more than one computer networked together in the house. If you want to have some real fun seeing what's happening with your PC, download a copy of HijackThis. It's a good diagnostic tool. Just don't let it try to "fix" anything unless you know what you're doing.
"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk."
One odd thing that did happen is that when I turned the computer off I noticed MS had updated the software. Maybe that had something to do with it, and it was just a false alarm. My firewall is the one that comes with XP Pro, and I also run Cyberhawk, which is what alerted me. I also run Ad-Aware, and run the computer through Symantec every week. I've never encountered any problems. I suspect this had something to do with MS, because their firewall did not alert me, but Cyerhawk did.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
My software has caught keyloggers no fewer than three times. I guess they've gotten smarter now and use something that can't be detected by my special software...or else I have and post with Privoxy-Tor-Vidalia..unless I feel especially feisty...like NOW...and want them to see my IP and what I'm typing. So GoToHell you Nazi MotherF**kers! Do you feel lucky? Make my day.
#2. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
#3. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, HOUNDDAWG (#1)
#4. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
#5. To: noone222 (#4)
There's no doubt that web-worms (scum) slither around the net and into forums to track dissidents
#6. To: YertleTurtle (#5)
What a bunch of paranoid fricking morons.
#7. To: YertleTurtle (#3)
#8. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
I was just trying to write a letter here using Mail
#9. To: YertleTurtle, Neil McIver (#0)
#10. To: noone222 (#6)
I overheard two hill-billies discussing the fact that they thought their phones were tapped ... and I nearly busted out laughing in their face, thinking sheesh, what has the world come to when these know nothing, do nothing hill- jacks think someone wants to listen in on their phone calls. (Maybe I was wrong).
#11. To: christine (#9)
This election was a planned step back to take two steps forward.
#12. To: Cynicom (#11)
#13. To: christine (#12)
This election was a planned step back to take two steps forward.
#14. To: Cynicom (#13)
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
How do you write a letter here using Mail?
#16. To: Cynicom (#10)
I am a hill billy.
#17. To: YertleTurtle, Jethro Tull, Christine (#15)
#18. To: Neil McIver (#17)
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#19. To: Neil McIver, YertleTurtle, Jethro Tull, Christine (#17)
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#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
#22. To: Neil McIver (#17)
#23. To: HOUNDDAWG (#2)
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