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Title: Someone trying to log keystrokes here
Source: me
URL Source: http://me
Published: Nov 15, 2006
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2006-11-15 05:15:16 by YertleTurtle
Keywords: None
Views: 647
Comments: 23

I was just trying to write a letter here using Mail, and my firewall told me someone was trying to log my keystrokes. I denied the attempt, and my connection disconnected and wouldn't connect. I had to restart the computer, and it happened again. I was using IE, so I restarted with Opera, and the problem is gone.

I find it interesting that someone, or some program, was trying to read what I wrote to someone here.

I've never had this happen before in my life.

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I was just trying to write a letter here using Mail

How do you write a letter here using Mail?

Do you mean you were sending someone on the forum a private mail?

I’m no pro, but wouldn’t it seem that if your firewall detected the attempt it was amateurish? Coming to the net I assume two things; 1) every word we post is read by someone other than the intended audience, and 2) our government, ever growing, is curious about all things internet. That said if we aren’t bold enough to continue to exchange ideas and comments, publicly, we best start looking for a cave to live in.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-11-15   7:44:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How do you write a letter here using Mail?

There is a mail function here to write a private letter to another member.

My firewall (Windows) did not detect the attempt. Another program I run -- Cyberhawk -- caught it. When I switched from IE to Opera, the problem was taken care of.

I do not know what happened, but I'll never use IE again.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-11-15   11:47:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Okay, that's helpful to know it was pmail and not email, though.... I'm not sure what to make of it. Short of giving your PC an autopsy it's hard to be certain.

Technically, firewalls only screen your computer from the outside world. Many programs running on your computer will readily process information sent to it from the internet on the assumption that the information is innocent. The "firewall" is there to make sure that only information your computer is expecting is accepted. Any information that doesn't pass the sniff test is thrown away, maybe alerting you if it looks really suspicious. Anything that looks good is accepted and passed on to the program that it's suitable for.

Keystroke monitoring is normally conducted by hostile software installed on your PC, called "spyware" as it's software that spies on you. I don't know that it's possible for outside internet attacks on your PC to monitor your every keystroke without spyware being installed on your PC. Since firewalls normally monitor just data going into & (maybe) out of the PC, I wouldn't expect firewalls to monitor any internal keystroking, but maybe it just saw the keystroke info going out and alerted you. On the other hand, maybe your firewall software monitors not only data going into and out of the PC but also programs that might spy on you. What firewall package are you using? Does it advertise spyware detection or just keystroke transmission detection?

Either way, *IF* you really did encounter some spying activity on your PC, my best opinion is that it means there is/was keyboard monitoring spyware on your computer, and that switching from MSIE to Opera or firefox may or may not be a suitable solution. It depends on where this spyware is. If it's running as an independent program then I'd expect it to not matter what browser you were using, or even if you were doing regular email, editing a word document or anything else. OTOH, If the spyware was part of MSIE, then not using it would adequately evade the spyware.

Maybe the spyware was in the form of a java program from a website you visited earlier. I'd open up the browser again just to look at past sites you visited to see any of them might be suspicious candidates.

I'm no fan of MSIE anyway, and because it's proprietary code, MSIE users are trusting MS to have not installed any spyware in it. Some years ago MS was accused of installing encryption keys for the NSA when a test release errantly containing some inert labels which are normally not needed for end users. One of them was "NSA_KEY" or something like that. The accusation was that whenever the PC did some encryption for visiting secure sites or encryping email, it encrypted not just for the recipient but for the NSA also, allowing either party to decrypt it. MS denied it, and that's where it ended. Maybe.

The other possibility is that it was a false alarm. Are you sure your firewall package alerted you and not some pop-up browser box advertising something? If so, are you sure your firewall's message was reliable and accurate? Many times such software can't be as certain of the information it's examining, but makes the best guess it can.

On a parting note, if I've not yet done so, can I recomend switching from Windows to Linux.... ;^)

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-11-15   15:25:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

hihi

if its a keylogger its going to try to record all the keystrokes no matter what the software but they are generally believed to be restricted to Windows PCs. there are some useful tools that can detect and remove things like this such as Spybot Search & Destroy http:// www.safer-networking.org or A-squared http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/ - they will help but if you are really worried, use the advice at Spywarewarrior's forum http://spywarewarrior.com/sww-help.htm - they also keep a blacklist of bogus or suspect anti-spyware tools which can actually make things worse!

ruthie  posted on  2006-11-15   15:43:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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