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Title: THE HIGHJACKING OF A NATION by Sibel Edmonds
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National Security Whistleblowers Coalition
URL Source: http://www.nswbc.org/Op%20Ed/Op-ed-Part1-Nov15-06.htm
Published: Nov 15, 2006
Author: By Sibel Edmonds
Post Date: 2006-11-15 18:09:12 by palo verde
Keywords: Sibel Edmonds, corruption, traitorsim
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November 15, 2006 THE HIGHJACKING OF A NATION Part 1: The Foreign Agent Factor By Sibel Edmonds In his farewell address in 1796, George Washington warned that America must be constantly awake against “the insidious wiles of foreign influence…since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government.” Today, foreign influence, that most baneful foe of our republican government, has its tentacles entrenched in almost all major decision making and policy producing bodies of the U.S. government machine. It does so not secretly, since its self-serving activities are advocated and legitimized by highly positioned parties that reap the benefits that come in the form of financial gain and positions of power. Foreign governments and foreign-owned private interests have long sought to influence U.S. public policy. Several have accomplished this goal; those who are able and willing to pay what it takes. Those who buy themselves a few strategic middlemen, commonly known as pimps, while in DC circles referred to as foreign registered agents and lobbyists, who facilitate and bring about desired transactions. These successful foreign entities have mastered the art of ‘covering all the bases’ when it comes to buying influence in Washington DC. They have the required recipe down pat: get yourself a few ‘Dime a Dozen Generals,’ bid high in the ‘former statesmen lobby auction’, and put in your pocket one or two ‘ex-congressmen turned lobbyists’ who know the ropes when it comes to pocketing a few dozen who still serve. The most important facet of this influence to consider is what happens when the active and powerful foreign entities’ objectives are in direct conflict with our nation’s objectives and its interests and security; and when this is the case, who pays the ultimate price and how. There is no need for assumptions of hypothetical situations to answer these questions, since throughout recent history we have repeatedly faced the dire consequences of the highjacking of our foreign and domestic policies by these so-called foreign agents of foreign influence. Let’s illustrate this with the most important recent case, the catastrophe endured by our people; the September Eleven terrorist attacks. Let’s observe how certain foreign interests, combined with their U.S. agents and benefactors, overrode the interests and security of the entire nation; how thousands of victims and their loved ones were kicked aside to serve the interests of a few; foreign influence and its agents. Senator Graham’s Revelation It has been established that two of the 9/11 hijackers had a support network in the U.S. that included agents of the Saudi government, and that the Bush administration and the FBI blocked a congressional investigation into that relationship. In his book, "Intelligence Matters," Senator Bob Graham made clear that some details of that financial support from Saudi Arabia were in the 27 pages of the congressional inquiry's final report that were blocked from release by the administration, despite the pleas of leaders of both parties in the House and Senate intelligence committees. Here is an excerpt from Senator Graham’s statement from the July 24, 2003 congressional record on the classified 27 pages of the Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11: “The most serious omission, in my view, is part 4 of the report, which is entitled Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters. Those 27 pages have almost been entirely censured….The declassified version of this finding tells the American people that our investigation developed information suggesting specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. In other words, officials of a foreign government are alleged to have aided and abetted the terrorist attacks on our country on September 11, which took over 3,000 lives.” In his book Graham reveals, “Our investigators found a CIA memo dated August 2, 2002, whose author concluded that there is incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government. On September 11, America was not attacked by a nation-state, but we had just discovered that the attackers were actively supported by one, and that state was our supposed friend and ally Saudi Arabia.” He then cites another case, “We had discovered an FBI asset who had a close relationship with two of the terrorists; a terrorist support network that went through the Saudi Embassy; and a funding network that went through the Saudi Royal family.” The most explosive revelation in Graham’s book is the following statement with regard to the administration’s attitude on page 216: “It was as if the President’s loyalty lay more with Saudi Arabia than with America’s safety.” Further, he states that he asked the FBI to undertake a review of the Riggs Bank records on the terrorists’ money trail, to look at other Saudi companies with ties to al-Qaeda, to plan for monitoring suspect Saudi interests in the United States; however, Graham adds: “To my knowledge, none of these investigations have been completed…Nor do we know anything else about what I believe to be a state-sponsored terrorist support network that still exists, largely undamaged, within the United States.” What Graham is trying to establish in his book and previous public statements in this regard, and doing so under state imposed ‘secrecy and classification’, is that the classification and cover up of those 27 pages is not about protecting ‘U.S. national security, methods of intelligence collection, or ongoing investigations,’ but to protect certain U.S. allies. Meaning, our government put the interests of certain foreign nations and their U.S. beneficiaries far above its own people and their interests. While Saudi Arabia has been specifically pointed to by Graham, other countries involved have yet to be identified. In covering up Saudi Arabia’s direct role in supporting Al Qaeda, the 9/11 Commission goes even a few steps further than the congress and the Executive Branch. The report claims "there is no convincing evidence that any government financially supported al-Qaeda before 9/11." Their report ignores all the information provided by government officials to Congress, as well as volumes of published reports and investigations by other nations, regarding Muslim and Arab regimes that have supported al Qaeda. It completely disregards the terrorist lists of the Treasury and State Departments, which have catalogued the Saudi government's decades of support for Bin Laden and al-Qaeda. Why in the world would the United States government go so far to protect Saudi Arabia in the face of what itself declares to be the biggest security threat facing our nation and the world today? Why is the United States willing to set aside its own security and interests in order to advance the interests of another state? How can a government that’s been intent upon using the terrorist attacks to carry out many unjustifiable atrocities, prevent bringing to justice those who’ve been established as being directly responsible for it? More importantly, how is this done in a nation that prides itself as one that operates under governance of the people, by the people, for the people? How did our government bodies, those involved in drafting and implementing our nation’s policies, evolve into this foreign influence-peddling operation? In order to answer these questions one must first establish who stands to lose and who stands to gain by protecting Saudi Arabia from being exposed and facing consequences of its involvement in terrorist networks activities. In addition to identifying the nations in question, we must identify the interests as well as the actors; their agents. Let’s look at Saudi Arabia as one of the successful foreign nations that have mastered the art of ‘covering all the bases’ when it comes to buying and peddling influence in Washington DC, and identify its hired ‘agents’ and ‘agents by default.’ Foreign Agents by Default Although when it comes to our complex diplomatic threading with Saudi Arabia the easiest answer appears to be the ‘oil factor,’ upon further inspection the Saudi’s influence and role extends into other areas, such as the Military Industrial Complex and the too familiar Lobbying Games. According to the report published by the Federation of American Scientists (FAS), Saudi Arabia is America’s top customer. Since 1990 the U.S. government, through the Pentagon’s arms export program, has arranged for the delivery of more than $39.6 billion in foreign military sales to Saudi Arabia, and an additional $394 million worth of arms were delivered to the Saudi regime through the State Department’s direct commercial sales program. Oil rich Saudi Arabia is a cash-paying customer; a compulsive buyer of our weaponry. The list of U.S. sellers includes almost all the major players such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Boeing. The report by FAS establishes that despite the show of U.S. support demonstrated by this astounding quantity of arms sales, Saudi Arabia’s human rights record is extremely poor; see the U.S. State Department’s 2000 Human Rights Report. Saudi Arabia’s position as a strategic Gulf ally has blinded U.S. officials into approving a level and quality of arms exports that should never have been allowed to a non-democratic country with such a poor human rights record. Further, there are indications of Saudi’s active role as a player in the nuclear black-market. According to Mohammed Khilewi, first secretary at the Saudi mission to the United Nations until July 1994, the Saudis have sought a bomb since 1975; they sought to buy nuclear reactors from China, supported Pakistan's nuclear program, and contributed $5 billion to Iraq's nuclear weapons program between 1985 and 1990. While the U.S. government vocally opposes the development or procurement of ballistic missiles by non-allies, it has been very quiet in Saudi Arabia’s case, considering the fact that it possesses the longest-range ballistic missiles of any developing country. The Military Industrial Complex certainly seems to be a winner in having the congressional report pertaining to the Saudi government’s role in supporting the 9/11 terrorist activities being classified. The exposure would have meant grounds for U.S. sanctions and retributions; it would have risked the loss of billions of dollars in revenue from its ‘top customer.’ These companies don’t even have to officially register as foreign agents; after all, their strong loyalty and unbreakable bond with foreign elements exists by default; it is called mutual benefit. They are ‘Foreign Agents by Default.’ This holds true for other parties and players involved within the MIC network; the contractors and the investors. Let’s look at one of these famous and influential players; another foreign agent even if only by default; a man who defended the Saudis against a lawsuit brought by the 9/11 victims’ family members; a man who happens to be the senior counsel for the Carlyle Group, which invests heavily in defense companies and is the nation's 10th largest defense contractor with ties to the Saudi Royal Family, Enron, Global Crossing, among others; James Baker; Papa Bush’s Secretary of State. On the morning of September 11th, 2001, Baker was reportedly at a Carlyle investor conference with members of the Bin Laden family in the Ritz Carlton in Washington DC, while Bush Sr. was on the payroll of the Carlyle group. The Carlyle Group, a Washington, DC based private equity firm that employs numerous former high-ranking government officials with ties to both political parties, was the ninth largest Pentagon contractor between 1998 and 2003, an ongoing Center for Public Integrity investigation into Department of Defense contracts found. According to this report, overall, six private investment firms, including Carlyle, received nearly $14 billion in Pentagon deals between 1998 and 2003. Considering the fact that Saudi Arabia is the top buyer of the U.S. weapons industry, Carlyle’s investment and its stake, and of course Jimmy Baker’s far reaching influence within the Pentagon and congress, everything seems to come together and fit perfectly to shield this foreign interest no matter the price to be paid by the American public. The political action committees (PACs) of the biggest defense companies have given $14.2 million directly to federal candidates since Clinton's first presidential bid, according to the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP). In 1997 alone the defense industry spent $49.5 million to lobby the nation's decision-makers. Between 1998 and 2004, for the six-year period, Boeing Company spent more than $57 million in lobbying. For the same period of time, Lockheed Martin poured over $55 million into lobbying activities. Northrop Grumman exceeded both by investing $83 million in lobbying, and based on a report issued by POGO, it contributed over $4 million to individuals and PACs. With ‘dime a dozen’ generals on their boards of directors, numerous high-powered ex congressmen and senators at their disposal in the ‘K Street Lobby Quarter,’ tens of millions of dollars in campaign donations, and billions of dollars at stake, the Military Industrial Complex surely had all the incentives to act just as foreign agents would, and fight for their highly valued client; the Saudi Government. They appear to have had all the reasons to ensure that the report would not see the light of the day; no matter what the effect on the country, its security, and its interests. K Street Lobby Quarter The fact that Saudi Arabia pours large sums into lobbying firms and public relations companies with close ties to congress does not come as a big surprise. The FARA database under the DOJ website lists Qorvis Communications as one of Saudi Arabia’s registered foreign agents. In 2003, for only a six months period, Qorvis received more than $11 million from the Saudi government. Another firm, Loeffler Tuggey Pauerstein Rosenthal LLP, another registered foreign agent, received more than $840,000 for the same six-month period, and the list goes on. Just for this six month period the government of Saudi Arabia paid a total of more than $14 million to 13 lobbying and public relations companies; all registered as foreign agents. Why do the Saudis spend nearly $20 million per year in lobbying activities in the U.S. via their hired agents? What kind of return on investment are they getting out of the United States Congress? Let’s take Loeffler’s group and examine its value for the Saudi government, since it was paid over $3 million in three years between 2003 and 2005. The firm was founded by former Republican Congressman Tom Loeffler of Texas. Loeffler served in the Republican Leadership as Deputy Whip, and as Chief Deputy Whip during his third and fourth term. He was a member of the powerful Appropriations Committee, Energy and Commerce Committee and Budget Committee. In the two Bush campaigns for governor, Loeffler, who contributed $141,000, was the largest donor. In 1998, he served as national co-chair of the Republican National Committee's "Team 100" program for donors of $100,000 or more, and afterwards held the same title during George W. Bush's presidential campaign. Loeffler’s generosity extends to the members of congress as well. In 6 years, he has given more than $185,000 to members of congress, 97% of it going to only Republican members. During the same six-year period, Loeffler’s firm received more than $18 million in lobbying fees. The firm’s managing director happens to be William L. Ball. Ball served as Chief of Staff to Senators John Tower (R-TX) and Herman Talmadge (D-GA). In 1985, he joined the Reagan Administration as Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs. Later he was assigned to the White House to serve President Reagan as his chief liaison to the Congress. Wallace Henderson is also a Partner; he was Chief Counsel and Chief of Staff to Representative W. J. Tauzin (R-LA), Chief of Staff to U.S. Senator John Breaux (D-LA). By having foreign agents such as the Loeffler Group, in addition to their foreign agents by default, the MIC, the Saudis seem to have all their bases covered. Former secretaries and deputy secretaries with open access to the current ones, former congressmen and senators who used to be positioned on strategically valuable committees and know the rules of the congressional game, and millions of dollars available to be spent and channeled and re-channeled to various PACs go a long way toward ensuring results. Money counts. Money is needed to bring in votes. Professional skills and discretion are required to get this money to various final destinations. The registered foreign agents, the lobby groups, are geared for this task. The client is happy in the end; so are the foreign agents and the congressional actors. Other Savvy Nations Of course, the sanction and legitimization of far reaching foreign influence and strongholds in the U.S., despite the many dire consequences endured by its citizens, is not limited to the government of Saudi Arabia. Numerous well-documented cases can be cited for others such as Turkey, Pakistan, and Israel, to name a few. I won’t get into the details and history of my own case, where the government invoked the state secrets privilege to gag my case and the congress in order to ‘protect certain sensitive diplomatic relations.’ The country, the foreign influence, in this case was the Republic of Turkey. The U.S. government did so despite the far reaching consequences of burying the facts involved, and disregarded the interests and security of the nation; all to protect a quasi ally engaged in numerous illegitimate activities within the global terrorist networks, nuclear black-market and narcotics activities; an ally who happens to be another compulsive and loyal buyer of the Military Industrial Complex; an ally who happens to be another savvy player in recruiting top U.S. players as its foreign agents and spending million of dollars per year to the lobbying groups headed by many ‘formers.’ Turkey’s agent list includes generals such as Joseph Ralston and Brent Scowcroft, former statesmen such as William Cohen and Marc Grossman, and of course famous ex-congressmen such as Bob Livingston and Stephen Solarz. Turkey too seems to have all its bases covered. Another well-known and documented case involves Pakistan. Over two decades ago Richard Barlow, an intelligence analyst working for then-Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney issued a startling report. After reviewing classified information from field agents, he had determined that Pakistan, despite official denials, had built a nuclear bomb. In the March 29, 1993 issue of New Yorker, Seymour Hersh noted that “even as Barlow began his digging, some senior State Department officials were worried that too much investigation would create what Barlow called embarrassment for Pakistan.” Barlow's conclusion was politically inconvenient. A finding that Pakistan possessed a nuclear bomb would have triggered a congressionally mandated cutoff of aid to the country, and it would have killed a $1.4-billion sale of F-16 fighter jets to Islamabad. A few months later a Pentagon official downplayed Pakistan's nuclear capabilities in his testimony to Congress. When Barlow protested to his superiors, he was fired. A few years later, the Executive Branch would slap Barlow with the State Secrets Privilege. As we all now know, Pakistan provided direct nuclear assistance to Iran and Libya. During the Cold War, the U.S. put up with Pakistani lies and deception about their nuclear activities, it did not enforce its restrictions on Pakistan's nuclear program when it counted, and as a result Pakistan ended up with a U.S.-made nuclear weapons system. Yet again, after 9/11, the Bush administration issued a waiver ending the implementation of almost all sanctions on Pakistan because of the perceived need for Pakistani assistance in the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, who ironically were brought to power by direct U.S. support in the 1980s in the first place. Weiss, in the May-June 2004 issue of the Bulletin states: “We are essentially back where we were with Pakistan in the 1980s. It is apparent that it has engaged in dangerous nuclear mischief with North Korea, Iran, and Libya (and perhaps others), but thus far without consequences to its relationship with the United States because of other, overriding foreign policy considerations--not the Cold War this time, but the war on terrorism.” He continues: “But now there is a major political difference. It was one thing for Pakistan, a country with which the United States has had good relations generally, to follow India and produce the bomb for itself. It is quite another for Pakistan to help two-thirds of the "axis of evil” to get the bomb as well.” FARA & LDA An agent of a ‘foreign principal’ is defined as any individual or organization which acts at the order, request, or under the direction or control of a foreign principal, or whose activities are directed by a foreign principal who engages in political activities, or acts in a public relations capacity for a foreign principal, or solicits or dispenses any thing of value within the United States for a foreign principal, or represents the interests of a foreign principal before any agency or official of the U.S. government. In 1938, in response to the large number of German propaganda agents in the pre-WWII U.S., Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) was established to insure that the American public and its lawmakers know the source of propaganda intended to sway public opinion, policy, and laws. The Act requires every agent of a foreign principal to register with the Department of Justice and file forms outlining its agreements with, income from, and expenditures on behalf of the foreign principal. Any agent testifying before a committee of Congress must furnish the committee with a copy of his most recent registration statement. The agent must keep records of all his activities and permit the Attorney General to inspect them. However, as is the case with many laws, the Act is filled with exemptions and loopholes that allow minimization of, and in some cases complete escape from, warranted scrutiny. There are a number of exemptions. For example, persons whose activities are of a purely commercial nature or of a religious, academic, and charitable nature are exempt. Any agent who is engaged in lobbying activities and is registered under the Lobbying Disclosure Act (LDA) is exempt. The LDA of 1995 was passed after decades of effort to make the regulation and disclosure of lobbying the federal government more effective. However, LDA also has serious and important loopholes and limitations that can be summed up as: Inadequate Disclosure, Inadequate Enforcement, and Inadequate Regulation of Conduct. The recent congressional scandals make this point very clear. In addition, neither act deals with an important issue: Conflict of Interest. Many of these agents, with their loyalty to the foreign hand that feeds them, end up being appointed to various positions, commissions and special envoys by our government. Recall Kissinger and his appointment to head the 9/11 Commission, and of course the recent revelation by Woodward on his advisory position to the current White House. Take a look at Jimmy Baker’s current appointment on the Iraq commission. Same goes for the father of all the ‘dime a dozen generals’, Brent Scowcroft, and one of his new protégés, General Joseph Ralston. In short, neither FARA nor LDA creates meaningful oversight, control, or enforcement; neither deals with conflict of interest issues, and neither provides any deterrence or consequences for unethical or illegal conduct. It used to be congressional ‘pork projects’ and ‘corporate influence’ that raised eyebrows now and then; here and there. Gone are those days. Today the unrestricted and uncontrollable money game and influence peddling tricks within the major decision-making and policy producing bodies of the U.S. government have reached new heights; yet, no raised eyebrows are registered. Sadly, today, a new version of ‘The Manchurian Candidate’ would have to be produced as a documentary. The other day I received a request to sign on to a petition put forth by a group of 9/11 family members urging the congress to reopen the investigations of 9/11 and declassify the infamous 27-pages which deal with foreign governments, U.S. allies, that provided support for those who carried out the attacks on our nation. My heart goes out to them. I do sympathize with them. I am known to take on similar propositions and methods of activism myself. However, looking at the realities, seeing what it takes to get things done in Washington, realizing how this beast works in the Real Sin City, I would encourage them to look at the root cause, rather than the symptoms. There are only two ways I can see that can bring about what they have been fighting for and what the majority of us desire to see in terms of bringing about Truth, Oversight, and Accountability; Justice. The family members, and their supporters, us, either have to tackle the major cause; the corruption of our government officials via unrestricted and undisciplined ‘revolving doors’ and ‘foreign influence & lobby’ practices, and push for expedient meaningful reforms by the new ambitious congress, and have them prove to us their worth. Or, they may as well give up their long-held integrity, go bid high for one or two former statesmen, hire a few dime a dozen generals, and buy themselves a couple of ex-congressmen turned lobbyists; that will do the job. # # # # Sibel Edmonds is the founder and director of National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC). Ms. Edmonds worked as a language specialist for the FBI. During her work with the bureau, she discovered and reported serious acts of security breaches, cover-ups, and intentional blocking of intelligence that had national security implications. After she reported these acts to FBI management, she was retaliated against by the FBI and ultimately fired in March 2002. Since that time, court proceedings on her case have been blocked by the assertion of “State Secret Privilege”; the Congress of the United States has been gagged and prevented from any discussion of her case through retroactive re-classification by the Department of Justice. Ms. Edmonds is fluent in Turkish, Farsi and Azerbaijani; and has a MA in Public Policy and International Commerce from George Mason University, and a BA in Criminal Justice and Psychology from George Washington University. PEN American Center awarded Ms. Edmonds the 2006 PEN/Newman's Own First Amendment Award. (Sibel provides links to everything she mentions here, but it was too much for me to copy. If you click on Sibel's own posting of this article, you can press all her links)
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#5. To: palo verde (#0)
Wow, hi palo! When I saw your name at first I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me.
Palo Verde? From Liberty Post? You finally made it over here?
#6. To: palo verde (#0)
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#7. To: robin (#4)
Edmonds is hustling a buck... She posts at LP and palo is touting for her here. I do not care for such. 1. To: All, Goldi-Lox, Sherlock, Fred Mertz, apple, *Sibel Edmonds* (#0) I am on Sibel Edmonds' email list I just received this from Sibel she asked me to post it here palo verde posted on 2006-11-15 10:50:14 ET Reply Trace 2. To: palo verde (#1) she asked me to post it here No offense palo, but the fact she requires you to carry her water is pretty telling. Badeye posted on 2006-11-15 10:51:20 ET Reply Trace
It's mentioned once in passing. But Sibel wrote it and she's been muzzled.
#8. To: palo verde, aristeides, Zipporah, mehitable, scrapper2, Diana, Eoghan, Cynicom, Tauzero, christine (#1)
Edmonds is pushing the "19 Arabs dun it cuz we say so" routine and purposefully obscuring Israel's control of Capitol Hill and the Executive Branch. The mass media does the same thing.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
#9. To: bluegrass (#8)
Palo is pushing her pro Israel trash here on 4um.
Edmonds is pushing the "19 Arabs dun it cuz we say so
#10. To: bluegrass (#8)
i noticed that. what is edmonds' nationality? isn't she herself arab?
Edmonds is pushing the "19 Arabs dun it cuz we say so" routine and purposefully obscuring Israel's control of Capitol Hill and the Executive Branch.
#11. To: christine, Cynicom (#10)
Edmonds is Turkish/Azerbaijani with Iranian ties. No friend of the Arabs is she.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
#12. To: palo verde (#0) (Edited)
Deceiving article, must be written by a Satan_worshipper or it’s WHORE, Israheel is the foreign gov. that has high jacked America & the West. Talmudic oppression is coming to a town near you, or its already here, all good jobs are outsourced with our freedom, so we suffer & the future is bleaker
#13. To: Max (#12)
Sibel Edmonds wrote this and as a whistleblower who has been muzzled, take from it what you will.
#14. To: bluegrass, cynicom (#8) (Edited)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
#15. To: bluegrass (#11)
Old game, if you want to hide an evil, you paint another larger evil for the masses to hate. Plus for Edmonds to use 4um for personal gain is rather seedy.
No friend of the Arabs is she.
#16. To: bluegrass, Cynicom (#8)
I'm a little bit confused because I thought the Edmonds story was about this translater woman who worked for the FBI and ran across some damaging material, and found evidence of spying? That's all I knew about it, and I could be wrong as I did not really keep up with that story.
Edmonds is pushing the "19 Arabs dun it cuz we say so" routine and purposefully obscuring Israel's control of Capitol Hill and the Executive Branch.
#17. To: bluegrass (#11)
Now I'm really confused.
Edmonds is Turkish/Azerbaijani with Iranian ties. No friend of the Arabs is she.
#18. To: Diana (#17)
Diana: Now I'm really confused. Turks and Persians and Azeris are Muslims but they are not Arabs.
bluegrass: Edmonds is Turkish/Azerbaijani with Iranian ties. No friend of the Arabs is she.
#19. To: scrapper2 (#18)
No! I was confused because I thought Sybil Edmonds was Jewish.
#20. To: Diana, scrapper2, Cynicom, christine, Eoghan, BTP Holdings, palo verde, Bub (#19)
Her father's Azerbai and there's no mention of her mother anywhere. Her uncle is Bedrettin Dalan, former mayor of Istanbul and a Kurd. There's 200,000 Kurdish Jews in Israel and Israel and the Kurds have a long history of working together. Sibel's shrillery about "19 Arabs dun it!" makes anything else she has to say of dubious value. On top of that, an immigrant blathering on about "foreign influence" and ignoring Israel is highly suspect.
I thought Sybil Edmonds was Jewish.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
#21. To: Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Brian S, Jethro Tull, Tauzero, Red Jones, Lady X, noone222, Brian S, christine, Zipporah, robin, Peetie Wheatstraw, HOUNDDAWG, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, tom007, aristeides (#20)
See above. Pardon double pings.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
#22. To: bluegrass (#20)
It's interesting because I haven't kept up with the story since it first came out, and it sounds as if it has morphed over time into something different, pointing fingers elsewhere now.
#23. To: Diana (#22)
That's usually a good indication of a disinfo op. Edmonds is a Judas goat. Her job is to confuse and mislead those good-intentioned Americans that know their government is crooked. As Washington said, "Put only Americans on guard!"
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
#24. To: bluegrass, Diana (#23)
Speaking of "Americans' government," you guys might want to read the article I just posted about how Precious is building a center ( with our taxpayers' money, but of course)and dedicating it to our/their President - GWB. If this isn't a wake up call to the American sheeple, I don't know what it will take. Is the center a thank you for the Iraq War or is it brown nosing for an Iran War, still to unfold? We may as well have fun with political forum discussions now while we still have free speech as a guaranteed right because if Abe van Foxie Loxie has his way in the New Year with new "hate/thought speech" Bolshevik laws, we will not be able to say anything except Government Approved Words and slogans. I wonder if the New Testament will be banned or will it be simply re-written, leaving out that bit part role ie. the Jesus character?
Her job is to confuse and mislead those good-intentioned Americans that know their government is crooked.
#25. To: scrapper2 (#24) (Edited)
The CIA Headquarters Building at Langley, Va. is named for Old Man Bush. At the dedication ceremony, George Tenet, made an interesting comment to the effect that "I'd like to thank George H.W. Bush for preserving the CIA. Kennedy's murder preserved the CIA the only time it was threatened with destruction. Kennedy's murder was a coup d etat. Our country has never been the same since that day. It has been directed by the CIA ever since, with a disproportionate amount of influence from Daddy Bush and his CIA thugs.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined."
Patrick Henry
#26. To: bluegrass (#20)
I think it's possible that she's on the level, but was fed dis-information. I think there were some Arabs involved in all of the bombings, OKC WTC I and WTC II, but as contract agents of Mossad/CIA with possible Saudi ties. Keep in mind that 3500 to 4000 Iraqi Republican Red Guard were brought here under Bush 1 and Clinton. Old Man Bush and his henchmen have close associations with them all.
Sibel's shrillery about "19 Arabs dun it!" makes anything else she has to say of dubious value. On top of that, an immigrant blathering on about "foreign influence" and ignoring Israel is highly suspect.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined."
Patrick Henry
#27. To: palo verde (#0)
This is limited hangout nonsense. The Saudis carried our water on 911. The whole operation was funded, protected and guided from here in the good 'ole USA. 4 or 5 of the "hijackers" were trained here on US military installations and handled by a FBI/CIA go betweens. The USA installed "Saudi Visa Express Program" got the rest of the patsies here. The entire funding network was set up in the 80s and 90s using charities and front banks like Standard Charter. This is one of the banks that went down in WTC 7. Read "The Big Wedding" by Sander Hicks to get more info on this picture. All this funding was channeled through to the wind up patsy Al-Qaeda through Pakistan. See the threat to Pakistan to "bomb them into the stone age" if they didn't go along and keep their mouths shut. Bob Graham was having breakfast with the head of intell of the ISI. The very man who wired Atta $100,000. Randy Glass notified Graham early in the summer about the 911 plot. If one does just a basic search, this whole article by Edmonds is rediculous. She is being used, knowingly or unknowingly.
Mark
The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent
"At temperatures above 800º C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7."-http://www.911research.net
#28. To: bluegrass (#20)
I see your point but when she stepped forward as a whistleblower it seemed very sincere. Maybe she's been threatened.
Sibel's shrillery about "19 Arabs dun it!" makes anything else she has to say of dubious value. On top of that, an immigrant blathering on about "foreign influence" and ignoring Israel is highly suspect.
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973
#29. To: bluegrass, Scrapper2, robin (#23)
Edmonds is a Judas goat. Her job is to confuse and mislead those good-intentioned Americans that know their government is crooked. That makes sense because when I left off this story (a couple years ago maybe?), she had just announced she ran into some spying, by our one friend and ally, and now I read this that it's turned into "evidence" that the Arab hijackers did it?! I didn't read the post itself until last night. It's just weird.
That's usually a good indication of a disinfo op.
#30. To: Kamala (#27)
http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=166361&Disp=117#C117
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
#31. To: Cynicom (#23)
not awake yet need more coffee forgot you ping
#32. To: scrapper2 (#24)
That does not sound good, I'll have to look into that. I swear it seems that man has more power world-wide than anyone.
if Abe van Foxie Loxie has his way in the New Year with new "hate/thought speech" Bolshevik laws, we will not be able to say anything except Government Approved Words and slogans.
#33. To: Kamala (#27)
There was something very off about the whole Mohammad Atta story. I think there was an imposter Mohammad Atta.
#34. To: Diana (#32)
I used to be very uncomfortable with people that were critical of Israel or Jews, but it is becoming apparent that organizations like the ADL, AIPAC, and PNAC do NOT have the best interests of this country or its people at heart.
I swear it seems that man has more power world-wide than anyone.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#35. To: who knows what evil (#34)
Likewise.
I used to be very uncomfortable with people that were critical of Israel or Jews, but it is becoming apparent that organizations like the ADL, AIPAC, and PNAC do NOT have the best interests of this country or its people at heart.
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973
#36. To: bluegrass (#21)
no pardons necessary (and no pun intended)
See above. Pardon double pings.
Disobedience must be punished with more boulders.
#37. To: palo verde (#0)
Hi palo, mice to see you. You get tired of the bots on ElPee or are you here slumming? ;0)
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
#38. To: who knows what evil, robin, Tauzero, Cynicom, christine (#34)
That discomfort that is experienced is a direct result of conditioning by the same groups that you mention. The ADL has been in operation since 1913 and they've been "training" various American police forces since the early 1950's. Their presence in American schools wouldn't be tolerated if they were a Christian group. No other private group in America has "trained" more cops and students than the ADL. On top of that, the ADL is merely the tip of the Goldberg.
I used to be very uncomfortable with people that were critical of Israel or Jews, but it is becoming apparent that organizations like the ADL, AIPAC, and PNAC do NOT have the best interests of this country or its people at heart.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
#39. To: Kamala (#27)
well done, Mark
#40. To: palo verde, Destro (#0)
Sibel bump. She, alone almost, talks about the Senate report with its 27 or so censored pages that only Graham had the guts to talk about. Saudi influence runs silent and deep, but it is telling, that not even one Senator defied Bush and read the 27 pages into the record. They could have dared Bush to come arrest them. But,then again, NO ONE wants to talk about the money and influence of the Saudis.
#41. To: swarthyguy (#40)
Certainly not the Bush family.
NO ONE wants to talk about the money and influence of the Saudis.
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973
#42. To: robin (#41)
Or the Dems, for that matter, either.
#43. To: swarthyguy, robin, Diana, All (#40)
Saudi influence runs silent and deep, but it is telling, that not even one Senator defied Bush and read the 27 pages into the record. They could have dared Bush to come arrest them. But,then again, NO ONE wants to talk about the money and influence of the Saudis. So you take Graham's word at face value that only information relating to the Saudis was redacted? Perhaps there was incriminating information about another group whose influence "runs silent and deep." Regardless of the Saudis' ties to the WH due to oil, ( btw this is not too "silent" an issue since numerous books have been written re: the subject) on a more practical level politicians like Senator Graham from Florida relied heavily on votes and campaign contributions NOT from the Saudis but RATHER from American Jews. So common sense would suggest that it would have been in Graham's interest to point away from the hand that kept his butt in office over the years and the Saudis did not represent that hand. Here's some handy dandy stats for you to ponder about campaign contributions: http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp? intarticleid=17212&intcategoryid=3 "...While Arab Americans have made progress in fund raising, they lag considerably behind pro-Israel groups. From 1990 through 2004, Arab Americans gave $788,968 in individual donations, political action committee contributions and soft money to federal parties and candidates, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington-based research and advocacy group. During the same period, pro-Israel groups and individuals donated $56.8 million." Gary Leupp, an an associate professor in the Department of History at Tufts University and coordinator of the Asian Studies Program, wrote an excellent article in counterpunch that reveals that the neocons and their tools ( Graham) made it their project to fault Saudi Arabia for 9/11 and for everything bad in the ME and in the Muslim world generally to purposely re-direct the sheeple's attention from the obvious. And in fact, what people on this forum and elsewhere forget is that the Saudi government begged the US gov't and 9/11 Commission report to release the redacted information to exonerate them from the implication that it was the Saudis that the 9/11 Commission was covering up for. This hardly sounds like the action of a guilty party - the Saudis wanting the information to be released to clear the air. The US gov't did not comply with the Saudis request and so this rumor about them being mentioned in the redacted pages still goes round and round the Internet. http://www.counterpunch.or g/leupp08092003.html "On Terrorism, Methodism, Saudi "Wahhabism" and the Censored 9-11 Report" August 08, 2003 "...Operation Vilify the Saudis began in earnest last summer. As usual, official thinking was first articulated in non-official think tanks. On June 6, 2002 the Hudson Institute (its mission: "to be America's premier source of applied research on enduring policy challenges"), which includes on its Board of Trustees such well-connected figures as Richard Perle, Max Singer, Donald Kagan, and Dan Quayle, sponsored a seminar entitled, "Discourses on Democracy: Saudi Arabia, Friend or Foe?" Among the participants was one Laurent Murawiec, RAND policy analyst, Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute, and author of the (apparently forthcoming) book Taking Saudi Out of Arabia. On June 19, the Institute hosted a discussion of the best seller Hatred's Kingdom: How Saudi Arabia Supports the New Global Terrorism by former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations Dore Gold. On July 10, at the invitation of Perle (fervent Likudist and then chair of that mysterious, unaccountable "advisory" Defense Policy Board at the Pentagon), Murawiec spoke to the DPB as well. Saudi Arabia, he told the illustrious body, is the "kernel of evil" in the Middle East. In both his presentations he averred that Saudi nationals, with regime support, served in capacities "from planners to financiers, from cadre to foot-solider, from ideologist to cheerleader" in global terrorist activities. Murawiec's DPB talk, summarized on the front page of the Washington Post August 6, produced a political firestorm and official disclaimers. Colin Powell (irked by the episode) told the Saudi foreign minister that Murawiec's opinions had no bearing on U.S. policy (but of course, there was already a big and obvious disconnect between Powell-policy and Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz-policy.) Also in August, Hudson Institute's co-founder Max Singer presented a paper to the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment, in which ("thinking outside the box" as Rumsfeld likes to say), he urged the dismemberment of Saudi Arabia, in the spirit of the post-World War I reconfiguration of what had been Ottoman Arab territory. The Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia could, Singer argued, constitute a new "Muslim Republic of East Arabia," peopled primarily by Shiite Muslims unsympathetic to the dominant "Wahhabi" school of Islam in Saudi Arabia, leaving Mecca and Medina in the hands of the "Wahhabis" while placing the oil fields, concentrated in the east, in the hands of western oil companies. [1] (The Saudi regime, meanwhile, was hit that same August with a one trillion dollar lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia by 9-11 family members, firefighters and rescue workers.) Not good times at all for Washington-Riyadh ties. True, President Bush hosted Saudi Arabian ambassador Bandar bin Sultan at an August lunch at his Texas ranch, and called Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to assure him that these recent controversial presentations would not "affect the eternal friendship between the two countries." But in fact the relationship was fraying. The Saudis firmly opposed (in words) the U.S. invasion of Iraq and refused to participate in it. They were quietly requesting that U.S. troops be withdrawn from their country, where they'd been stationed since 1990 as a "temporary" measure preparatory to the Gulf War, their presence producing mounting anger among the citizenry. (The troops are now being redeployed to Qatar and Bahrain.) The Saudis are currently purchasing more weaponry from France, Russia, even China, than from the U.S. In this context, Congress released the above-mentioned report, with its censored pages that constitute the chapter spookily entitled (as if to legitimate in advance its withholding) "Certain Sensitive National Security Matters." The content of those pages has of course been leaked; they charge that Saudi nationals with known contacts to two of the 9-11 hijackers are also known to have received money and had contact with Saudi officials, and that Saudis have willfully provided al-Qaeda with assistance through Muslim charities. Josh Meyer's piece makes the case look really damning. He quotes an unnamed source "familiar with the report" as alleging, "If this comes out, it will blow the top off the relations with [the Saudi] government because the American people will just be outraged." (Imagine how anti-Saudi outrage would advantage the Bushites as their Iraq policy faces further scrutiny.) But if you read way, way down the Meyer article (paragraph 18 out of 19) you learn that "a host of senior intelligence and law enforcement officials" disagree with the report. Says one "official familiar with the classified section": "There is a lot of information in there that's inflammatory but not accurate, or inferential or open to interpretation. Some of it is based on information that is partial, fragmentary and wrong. It is certainly not conclusive." The Saudi government, naturally, was deeply upset by the allegations. On July 26, the Arab News, which reflects Riyadh's views, editorialized that the censored report was "nothing less than a charter for Saudi-bashing an invitation to the U.S. and other media to speculate It will be open season on Saudi Arabia." *****Riyadh urged transparency; Foreign Minister Saud Al-Faisal, who charged that the report "wrongfully and morbidly accused" the kingdom, made an emergency trip to Washington July 29 to urge the censored pages be released so that his government could make a detailed reply. In a statement issued after meeting Bush, he declared, "We have nothing to hide. And we do not seek nor do we need to be shielded. We believe that releasing the missing 28 pages will allow us to respond to any allegations in a clear and credible manner; and remove any doubts about the Kingdom's true role in the war against terrorism and its commitment to fight it." But his plaint was rejected; Bush declared it would make "no sense to declassify [the censored pages]because it would help the enemy." Instead we have instead more secrecy, more scary leaks.****** Sound familiar? Again, it looks like a split between the mainstream, the traditional "host of senior intelligence and law enforcement officials" to whom Meyer alludes, and the cutting-edge proponents of deception-as-policy, in this case operating through a Congressional investigation. (I don't mean to suggest that those steering the investigation at the time of the joint inquiry, Florida Democrat Bob Graham and Alabama Republican Richard Shelby, are full participants in the neocon cabal, but it's quite likely that the intelligence they credit passed through the same hands that provided us with evidence that Saddam and bin Laden have been buddies for a long time. The new chairman and vice-chairman of the committee are Kansas Republican Pat Roberts and West Virginia Democrat Jay Rockefeller. Roberts is a Bush loyalist, Rockefeller a somewhat timid critic of the war.)..."
She, alone almost, talks about the Senate report with its 27 or so censored pages that only Graham had the guts to talk about.
#44. To: scrapper2 (#43)
We'll disagree on Saudi culpability.
#45. To: swarthyguy, scrapper2, all (#44)
Remember that we simultaneously prop up the House of Saud and the House of Zion - it keeps the profits rolling in...
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