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Title: Woman, 92, in Shootout With Police
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URL Source: http://www.amatechtel.com/news/wed/az/Aelderly-shootout.R6xF_GNL.asp
Published: Nov 22, 2006
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2006-11-22 01:39:11 by innieway
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Comments: 35
ATLANTA (AP) -- A 92-year-old woman was shot to death Tuesday after she fired at three narcotics officers trying to serve a warrant at her house, officials said. Neighbors and relatives said it must have been a case of mistaken identity. Police said they had the right address. Police said the woman, identified as Kathryn Johnson, was the only person home at the time, and had lived there for about 17 years. As the plainclothes Atlanta police officers approached the house about 7 p.m., a woman inside started shooting, striking each of them, said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman. Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and "knocked and announced" before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in returning fire when they were fired upon. One was hit in the arm, another in a thigh and the third in a shoulder. The officers were taken to a hospital for treatment, and all three were conscious and alert, police said. Sarah Dozier, identified as a niece of the woman, told WAGA-TV that there were never any drugs at the house. "My aunt was in good health. I'm sure she panicked when they kicked that door down," Dozier said. "There was no reason they had to go in there and shoot her down like a dog."
Poster Comment: At least she winged all 3 of the bastards first!!!!
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#1. To: All, Indie TX, Lodwick, BTP Holdings, Noone222, Christine (#0)
PING!!
No absurdity is so palpable but that it may be firmly planted in the human head if you only begin to inculcate it before age five, by constantly repeating it with an air of great solemnity. - Arthur Schopenhauer
The concern of the government for it's citizens.
So that's why they want us all to be prepared for the bird flu, and vaccinate our kids, and keep a close eye on us, and all the other little goodies we've come to expect from them? With friends like Big Bro, who needs enemies.
No absurdity is so palpable but that it may be firmly planted in the human head if you only begin to inculcate it before age five, by constantly repeating it with an air of great solemnity. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Its a Big Bird, Barney the dionsaur farce of the first order.
We all know that don't mean crap, especially with the many mistakes these bastards make, and the dead, innocent citizens to prove it. It sounds like she did the right thing. When armed thugs break in your door, shoot the bastards.
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
One was hit in the arm, another in a thigh and the third in a shoulder That means there was a high likelihood she hit them in the torso as well but the ballistic vests saved the SS bastards. What innocent person in their right mind would NOT shoot when their door gets kicked in??? ANYONE can yell "police" including robbers. She just needed bigger bullets like a 44 mag. A "wing" would have turned into limb removal. LOL. More taxpayer money and more needless deaths and injuries for the fraudulent "warondrugs."
"My aunt was in good health. I'm sure she panicked when they kicked that door down," ... I wonder how many witnesses there were to the "Knock and Announce" ??? I'll guess 3 ... cops.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
Yeah, they were there for her own good. After all, she might of had a bag of killer cannabis she was smoking that could have kept her from growing old safe warm and happy in her own home. /sarcasm I hope she has grandsons that hunt down these dogs and pumpkin heads each and every one of these fascist bastards.
you're right. the article says they were in plain clothes, not in uniforms. I'm sure they took the time to wear armor under clothes, but they did not take the time to wear proper uniforms. and as a result they're alive, but she's dead. who knows what kind of manner these men carried with them when they knocked on door and talked to her. police today like to shout and threaten people. they are usually not polite.
Psalm 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
It's also interesting that they are adamant that they were at the correct address, yet there is no mention of any drugs being found. There'll probably be another "Police investigate self, find no wrongdoing" type of response to this.
The lesson to be learned here boys and girls is ALWAYS go for the head shot...
No absurdity is so palpable but that it may be firmly planted in the human head if you only begin to inculcate it before age five, by constantly repeating it with an air of great solemnity. - Arthur Schopenhauer
The shooting comes at a time when there is already concern over use of force by police in the area. Earlier in the day, the district attorney in neighboring DeKalb County, where 12 people have been killed by police so far this year, said her office may present evidence to a grand jury that could bring criminal charges. Rev. Markel Hutchins, a civil rights leader, said Johnston's family deserves an apology. "Of the police brutality cases we've had, this is the most egregious because of the woman's age," Hutchins said. Hutchins said he would try to meet with Atlanta Police Chief Richard Pennington and would also meet with lawyers." http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=83581 This makes me very angry. I am working as a telephone order taker for Harry and David this year after a long five year absence from this holiday job. One of the absolutely hardest and heart breaking parts of the job is when a lonely old woman or man calls to place an order with a gift list of youngsters too busy for them anymore. Harry and David is an icon of a vanished Americana to them as it is a company started by two brothers who took their boxes of Royal Riviera Pears door to door around the country to sell them in the early 20th Century and it grew into a company offering products of exceptional quality with products of taste smell and sight that reminds them of a time when family was more substantial then a few echoy cell phone calls a year from ghosts of times past. You know these people instantly, they can't hide their lonliness when they call and ask me, "I talked to Janice last year, is she there this year?" I will look up at the room of hundreds of "associates" (I hate that word) siting in front of computers with flickering screens filled with Windows applets from the company Intranet and say, "I'm sorry, I don't see her here today." You know that if she or he knew Harry and David was now a jewel on a Japanese corporation's crown that owns many companies they would find it hard to bear. I spend as much time as they want to talk as I know this is an annual ritual and they are sitting in a quiet home with many old pictures as the memories of sights, smells, taste and touch warm their hearts as they dream of finding a door back into the summers of their years past when America meant something quite different then it does now drifts through their mind's eye. You don't fuck with grandma's annual rituals, you just don't. It's the law when I have her on the phone. I used to get into trouble when the monitors caught me prompting her (many hers and hims) to look in her catalog for that coupon for a box of free truffles they can get if they happen to see it. I was told, "you always make people very satisfied and happy, but......" You see, the corporation wanted them to find it and only those who did to get the truffles when this was a sales gambit. Now I not only will sit wondering how many of those people whom I took orders from at those addresses in that one zip code that got rubbed out in New York a the World Trade Center are dead or who know people who are; I will wonder if I ever talked to Kathryn Johnston and sold her any baskets, towers, or pears. This pisses me off. I wish she had killed each and every one of these bastards before they got to her. It would have served them right. A basket for you grandma Kathryn; (Why they pick us as a candle of rememberance of a past America: "The Strongest Guarantee in the Business You and those who receive your gifts must be delighted, or we'll make it right with either an appropriate replacement or a full refund - whichever you prefer. ...We never leave quality to chance. From the crunch of our apples to the curl of our ribbons - if something doesn't meet our rigorous (some say fanatical) standards, you won't see it in the gifts we offer. We pick, sort, wrap and pack every gift individually, by hand - just like you'd do it yourself. We also grow our own fruit, make our own cakes, cookies and chocolates, design our own gift wraps. This extraordinary attention to detail lets you rest assured that every gift you order is the perfect reflection of your thoughtfulness and good taste....") H&D is a Disney ride into a dead past they remember. harryanddavid. com ...end of rant of a big torment about this seasonal job.
You are correct, one was hit center mass, another bullet grazed a pig's face" Atlanta, Georgia- Three Atlanta narcotics officers were wounded in a Tuesday evening shootout with a 92-year-old woman in northwest Atlanta. She was shot and killed. This was supposed to be the routine serving of a search warrant, but things went very wrong, very fast. Once the gunfire ended, three APD narcotics officers had been shot: one with a graze-wound to the face, and another hit dead-on, center of mass in the bulletproof vest. They were all transported to Grady Memorial Hospital with non-life threatening injuries. A 92-year-old woman — Catherine Johnson — lived in the home where the officers tried to execute the warrant. She was killed in the gun battle. “The female victim shot and wounded all three of them (the officers),” said deputy police chief Allen Dreher. “The investigation is going to be ongoing — I'd say it would be all wrapped up in a period of time, but as we have it, she opened fire on the officers. The officers returned fire, struck and killed her.” Johnston's relatives arrived at the scene of the shootout, distraught and upset. The warrant was served at Johnson's home at 933 Neal Street. The victim's family says they are convinced the police made a mistake and went to the wrong house. “They done the wrong house,” said Johnson's niece, Sarah Dozier. “And they killed her! This lady lived to be 92. She lived to be 92 and in good health. They went in there and she was scared to death.” According to family members, Johnson lived alone. Dozier says that Johnson did have a firearm. She says she took her aunt to get a permit for that firearm, for her own protection. Community activist Markel Hutchins has said that he will be in contact with the family to provide support, and to talk to officials to try to find out why this happened. http://www.tampabays10.com/news/national/article.aspx? storyid=44187 Note to myself: "Practice head shots the next time I am at the range."
she did a pretty good job hitting them. and she likely died without even knowing they were police. and the police went home and said that they did their jobs. another victory for the state.
Psalm 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
And each and every one of them should be hunted down like a dog and drug to death behind a fast moving truck or hung with their bodies left as maggot food.
Sounds like Grandma was a pretty good shot, too bad she wasn't using something like this. That should have put them down. Not too many vests the lazy-ass cops wear would be effective against 5.56 NATO rounds.
#2. To: innieway (#0)
There was no reason they had to go in there and shoot her down like a dog."
#3. To: tom007 (#2)
(Edited)
The concern of the government for it's citizens.
#4. To: innieway (#3)
So that's why they want us all to be prepared for the bird flu, and vaccinate our kids, and keep a close eye on us, and all the other little goodies we've come to expect from them? With friends like Big Bro, who needs enemies.
#5. To: innieway (#0)
Police said they had the right address.
"My aunt was in good health. I'm sure she panicked when they kicked that door down," Dozier said.
#6. To: innieway (#0)
At least she winged all 3 of the bastards first!!!!
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
#7. To: innieway (#0)
A 92-year-old woman was shot to death Tuesday after she fired at three narcotics officers trying to serve a warrant at her house, officials said.
#8. To: IndieTX (#6)
#9. To: IndieTX (#6)
#10. To: IndieTX (#6)
#11. To: IndieTX (#6)
What innocent person in their right mind would NOT shoot when their door gets kicked in??? ANYONE can yell "police" including robbers. She just needed bigger bullets like a 44 mag. A "wing" would have turned into limb removal. LOL.
#12. To: IndieTX, christine, Neil McIver, BTP Holdings, lodwick, all (#6)
(Edited)
"...The street in front of the small, single-story house remained blocked by police early Wednesday.
#13. To: IndieTX (#6)
#14. To: Red Jones (#9)
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
#16. To: Red Jones (#15)
"she did a pretty good job hitting them. and she likely died without even knowing they were police. and the
police trespassers went home and said that they did their jobs. Another victory for the state."
#17. To: Ferret Mike, lodwick, christine (#13)
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#12) (Edited)
You've got a gift for words. That post got to me. We used to use Harry & David's catalogue [our perogative], along with vouchers to apologize to folks, or to thank them. Unfortunately, due to so many "professional complainers" polluting the pool of truly burned customers, H&D is no longer an option and was phased out a few years ago as a concession perogative :(
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
#19. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
Note to self: Keep the 30-30 Winchester closer than the pistol to the bed. :)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
talk all you want, we all know what the final statement will be, either they were at the wrong address, or right address wrong street or town or some stupid thing...and once fired upon, our wonderful, always right, police force not only has the right, but the duty to fire back, and shoot to kill. If they shoot back, they must be a danger to society. It does not matter that granny was probably hard of hearing and may not have heard or understand thier "announcment" that they were police. and even if she did, being plain clothes officers, what reason would she have to believe them. All in all, she was in the right. NO ONE should have the right to kick in the door to your home. I think that it is best that she did get killed, after she shot back. Imagine the HELL she would have been put through if they had only wounded her. Trying to heal from her wound(s), jail time, fighting her way through court, that would have been horrible for her. My prayers are with her family, they must be really distraught losing a loved elderly member of the family this close to the holiday season. I am not a big fan of the holidays, but I can understand the family togetherness that makes this season so special for most people. In closing, I must also say that I hope that on my last day, I have the chance to take a few of the bastards out with me. I AM fond of head shots :)
talk to officials to try to find out why this happened.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
#21. To: innieway (#0)
Poster Comment: At least she winged all 3 of the bastards first!!!! I'm sure she never heard them knock and she was just trying to protect herself from gangsters (and she was absolutely correct).
"My aunt was in good health. I'm sure she panicked when they kicked that door down," Dozier said. "There was no reason they had to go in there and shoot her down like a dog."
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973
#22. To: ladybug (#20)
My prayers are with her family, they must be really distraught losing a loved elderly member of the family this close to the holiday season. I am not a big fan of the holidays, but I can understand the family togetherness that makes this season so special for most people. In closing, I must also say that I hope that on my last day, I have the chance to take a few of the bastards out with me. I AM fond of head shots :) well said!
All in all, she was in the right. NO ONE should have the right to kick in the door to your home. I think that it is best that she did get killed, after she shot back. Imagine the HELL she would have been put through if they had only wounded her. Trying to heal from her wound(s), jail time, fighting her way through court, that would have been horrible for her.
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973
#23. To: innieway (#1)
Another victim of our insane WOD - I just wish that her aim had been better.
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
I enjoyed reading your rant, tree-hugger. Happy turkey day to you.
...end of rant of a big torment about this seasonal job.
#25. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
I love their clearance section.
Harry and David
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973
#26. To: innieway (#0)
Wow, I beat they're proud. How many people can claim to fatally shooting a 92 year old grandma? Cheney must be envious. On a serious note - don't the police do some kind of...oh, I don't know...INVESTIGATION...to find out who might be living in a particular house????
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#27. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
God bless you for caring, Mike. Not many people do any more. Too bad Grandma didn't get all these bastards, but she made a valiant effort on behalf of freedom loving Americans everywhere.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#28. To: mehitable (#27)
this story made national news. I heard it on the radio as I drove home. They said 92 year old woman shot dead in atlanta shoot-out with narcotics officers. they played a clip from the daughter who seemed a very rough cut black woman. daughter could've been 60-70 year old I'd think. she yelled loudly that it wasn't right what they did. that was end of report.
Psalm 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
#29. To: innieway (#0)
Okay, first things first. 1. The police all know who the bad people are in every neighborhood. I know this all to well, because I used to live in a bad neighborhood, and the cops knew everyone, EXCEPT me, which is why when they came to my apartment complex on more than one occasion, they had to figure out why I lived there. 2. The police have these people, called Detectives. Now these detectives actually spend their days looking for clues, criminals, and of course getting background on houses that they intend to serve warrants on. 3. With Detectives on the payroll, 99 percent of the time, they gather good intelligence on who is living where, and if this person had been living in this place for 17 years, had been paying all her bills, the cops would know and see that without so much as having to go knock on her door. 4. They could very well have had the right address. Here's why. I can go to the DMV, get a driver's license and just give them any address I want to. That's right folks, you don't even have to live somewhere on your driver's license. They say that they want you to provide proof of your address, but hell, you can pretty well get anything you want at the DMV for the right price. 5. It is indeed a tragedy that this poor 92 year old woman was shot to death. I wonder if one of her idiot grandchildren lived there and sold dope? I wonder if one of her idiot children or grandchildren were dealing and were being looked for at this woman's house? If So, then that means the cops didn't do their job by staking out the house looking for the perpetrators of the crimes in question. 6. The cops chances are, are at fault for a lack of police work. 10 minutes of research could have told them that this 92 year old woman lived there all alone, and that they should deal with her in a way more becoming of a woman her age. 92 year old people as far as I know aren't able to answer the door, very fast, or hear very good, let alone see. Which is why all three of these guys survived. Had her aim been better, they'd be dead, and she'd be incarcerated for shooting 3 cops. 7. It would just be simpler if people her age would just go into a retirement home to die like the social cast offs old people are. Old people once they reach a point in their lives when they don't actually contribute to society have a duty to go out on that proverbial ice floe, and die like good little eskimos. Please know that paragraph 7 is sarcasm, and not meant as serious. I am appalled that this person was shot to death in her own home by 3 cops who obviously could have been much better trained, or at the very least informed. They could have also realized that they were going to raid a house of someone who was 92 fucking years old.
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#30. To: innieway (#11)
Body armor ain't stopping what I'm going to be shooting. :p
The lesson to be learned here boys and girls is ALWAYS go for the head shot...
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#31. To: Critter, innieway (#30)
Body armor ain't stopping what I'm going to be shooting. :p I bet it is not. But for defensive action head shots are pretty good, the denfensive actions I am thinging of being ten feet or less. Groin shots seem to work pretty well, cut the femeral artery, the perp has maybe two seconds before he's falling down? This isn't academic for me, we had a clown come into our store with a .380 and shot it off missing my clerk and friend's head by eighteen inches. I was wearing a Taurus .38 all day untill an hour ago.(Gave all of our employees the week off so I am running the register alot) We have an SKS, for show at the front of the counter, a Mossberg 20 G pistol grip at the hallway, a Dan Wesson .357 quick reach under the register and the small Taurus hammerless for carry. One clerk carries a 9mm auto, that's his personally, but if he had it to do over again, he tells me he would go for a revolver. I agreee.
he lesson to be learned here boys and girls is ALWAYS go for the head shot...
#32. To: Critter (#30)
If it has enough velocity, kevlar will not stop it.
Body armor ain't stopping what I'm going to be shooting. :p
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
#33. To: Critter (#30)
it doesn't stop a broadhead, either. hehehehe
#34. To: TommyTheMadArtist, IndieTX, christine (#29)
I don't think so Tommy. First, from www.theagitator. com Coachman, who did yard work for Johnston, said she always urged him to get his work done early. "She was scared, she would go to bed around 5 or 6 and she wouldn't open her door for anybody," he said. "When she is in, she is in." Neighbors said Johnston didn't even take her trash to the street. Sanitation workers came to her side door to get it. Sallie Strickland, who has lived on the street for 51 years, agreed the old woman lived in fear. "I'd bring groceries and she'd say, 'Set them on the porch,' " said Strickland. "Then she'd lock the doors right away." The only people she ever saw in the house were her niece and some nephews" Second, the bunkering down begins, a sure sign of a cop related major fuck up: 5. "It is indeed a tragedy that this poor 92 year old woman was shot to death. I wonder if one of her idiot grandchildren lived there and sold dope? I wonder if one of her idiot children or grandchildren were dealing and were being looked for at this woman's house? If So, then that means the cops didn't do their job by staking out the house looking for the perpetrators of the crimes in question."
"Neighbors Keith Coachman, Reginald McAfee and Thomas Benjamin milled around outside Johnston's house Wednesday recalling her as a nice old woman who was cautious.
"The basis for the search warrant was not known because State Court Administrator Stefani Searcy refused to release a copy of the warrant Wednesday. State law considers all such documents public record but Searcy cited "office policy" as her reason for withholding the warrant."
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
There in lies the rub. It is said that she had a niece and some nephews that would visit the house. I would imagine that one of those relatives is under some scrutiny. I would bet a dollar to a donut that they weren't looking for some 92 year old woman, they were looking for one of her relatives. Either that, or her house had some real value to it, and she didn't want to sell. I wonder how many real estate agents or developers are interested in that area? Of course, the cops and the local establishment walk hand in hand. One is the enforcing arm of the other.
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