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Title: Jury Orders Rancher to Pay Hunting Party
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www.wilmingtonstar.com
URL Source: http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/ ... le?AID=/20061123/APA/611232426
Published: Nov 25, 2006
Author: AP
Post Date: 2006-11-25 17:37:41 by Ferret Mike
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Views: 1042
Comments: 107
SIERRA VISTA, Ariz. | An anti-illegal immigration activist accused of threatening to shoot a Mexican-American family of hunters with an assault rifle and using racial slurs against them was ordered to pay them $98,000. A civil jury held rancher Roger Barnett only partly responsible, saying some of the blame lay with the man who sued and the man's father. Ronald Morales and his father, Arturo, were with his two young daughters and their friend when Barnett confronted them near his Douglas-area ranch and accused them of trespassing Oct. 30, 2004. Morales' lawsuit claims they were legally crossing land Barnett leases from the state. The Moraleses are U.S. citizens of Mexican descent. Barnett, who claims to have detained more than 10,000 migrants in the last 10 years, denied threatening the hunting party. He testified that he only took out his AR-15 rifle because the adults in the group were carrying rifles. Morales, a Navy veteran, said he felt justice had been served by the verdict. "We came to court and spoke the truth, and the jury heard that truth," Morales said. "Hopefully this sends a message that you can't point a gun at little kids - or anybody for that matter - and then threaten to shoot them." Barnett declined to comment, saying his lawyer advised him against speaking. His brother, Donald Barnett, expressed disappointment. "In the Morales family, the father taught the son to trespass, and now the father's teaching the daughters how to trespass in blatant disregard for the law," said Donald Barnett, who was initially named in the suit but later dropped as a defendant. "I guess in this country, private property and a person's rights don't mean much any more." The lawsuit was sponsored by the Border Action Network and the Southern Poverty Law Center, civil rights groups that have accused Barnett of acting as a vigilante and abusing illegal immigrants he detains on his ranch. The family sued Barnett for assault, false imprisonment, negligence and intentional infliction of emotional distress. The jury found in favor of all five plaintiffs Wednesday. Morales said he asked the Cochise County Attorney to press criminal charges against Barnett, but was told no jury would convict him.
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#67. To: buckeroo (#66)
I copied her tagline. I thought it was appropriate for this evening.
I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo
i think the tagline is correct. click the link and you can see the quote.
I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo
You are too paranoid of JT. He enjoys watching you thrash around. He doesn't want to hurt you.
I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo
But Morgana made that up. I didn't say that. And she is lying about that exact quote. is this better? II am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo Morgana le Fay posted on 2006-11-26 2:35:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #62. To: buckeroo (#58) Tagline Check. II am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo Minerva posted on 2006-11-26 2:38:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply You mean you two fixed your tagline. Aren't you happy I caught your grammatical and weblink errors?
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo
the weblink works. i just checked it. it is post #222 where you tell us you are the liberace of the internet.
I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo
Are you (both of you) aware that it took you about one hour to finally get the tag line correct? I was worrying about you JT. But, now that you got your literals and URL pointers correct, you deserve a prize.
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
(That's a guy there on the right.)
I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo
No, it only took about three minutes. We went down to the bar while you were bitching and didn't fix it until we got back.
I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo
BTW, you could reduce the font size and subdue the colour so as to ensure that your point about me is not overwhelming in everypost you make.
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
it's fine the way it is. we are going to bed now. we are going skiing tomorrow and we can't stay up all night listening to your blather.
I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo
My heavens ... what are you two going to do without me?
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
People would still see it. We will take it down if you donate $200 to the site. Like Morgan said, we have to go to bed now. We are driving to Wyoming tomorrow to go skiing and we can't stay up all night.
I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo
we can get you over here anytime we want. so we don't worry about it.
I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo
Why won't you take me with you?
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
Thats exactly what I want to hear.
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
It doesn't sound like something he would do. I will look on U Tube. the guy at the hotel desk said it was the same guy who sang 'King of the Road' and 'Kansas City Star'. whoever that was. King of the Road was by Roger Miller. Two Roger Miller songs appear in the film "Duane Hopwood" from 2005 (Dang Me and You Can't Rollerskate in a Buffalo Herd). Let's Talk Dirty in Hawaiian also appears in the film and is by John Prine. The film starred David Schwimmer and Janeane Garofalo. The song appears to have been first released in 1985 on the album "German Afternoons" by John Prine. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0398982/soundtrack "LET'S TALK DIRTY IN HAWAIIAN" http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/prine-john/lets-talk-dirty-in-hawaiian-15772.html Artist/Band: Prine John Well, I packed my bags and bought myself a ticket Hey, Let’s talk dirty in Hawaiian [snip]
K. When hunting, fishing, or trapping on state land, a license holder shall not: 1. Break or remove any lock or cut any fence to gain access to state land; 2. Open and not immediately close a gate; It would appear that hunters may lawfully access state lands that are leased to citizens except when limited permits are issued to deny access, and then for no more than 30 days. And, I'm betting that this individual could tell at a glance that these Mexican-Americans were lawfully hunting or plinking, and were not your average mojados. In other words, he was wrong to confront them. An experienced "Wet Mex herder" should be savvy enough to tell the diff between them and legal residents and citizens. So, he may have been venting his frustrations on browns with little regard for their rights, in which case the judgment was proper.
Thank heaven for little girls for little girls get bigger every day! Thank heaven for little girls they grow up in the most delightful way!
Good post. I am irritated to see so many at LP sounding and acting so FReeperish on this story. Goldi has succeeded in driving any element of reasoned voice out of an argument when you hear a lynch mob's chorus instead of a reasoned discussion on issues. This forum has that fault to in the irrational timbre of discussions on Zionists and Jews that begs a sane response of not wanting to listen to any of it the blurred dog snarl barking with the chain a tight guitar string between post and dog tightened to the key of blind hate. I am disappointed that Goldi after flirting with free speech has donned the garb of an SS lyncher, baiter and whiner. This guy got what he deserved, even thought the judgment was on the low side. I a satisfied by it. The immigration problem denotes why I throw up at the hypocrisy of Christianity. Anti-immigration people are so self righteous in decrying how they are hated and disrespected so much as Americans by the influx, but they are too chicken to take on those promoting the influx scared by their political and economic power and do exactly the wrong thing which is hate and bait the desperate mases coming in scapegoating them as the easier target. Why can't they see how much like a cowardly bully this makes them look? Criticism of one's neighbor as these folks surely are should come with an acknowledgment of their humanity and a warm hand of friendship and empathy. Even if it is extended with the desire for them to go back home in he heart of the hand's owner. Being concerned on an issue never is an excuse to blindly hate a group of people. That is just wrong.
It was a civil suit. Why did he deserve a $98,000 judgement against him when he was defending his own cattle from rustlers?
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
Where did he prove they were rustlers? Oh, I get it, if you look Mexican you are automatically guilty of the worst thing assumable. Figures.
Personally, I like Lewis' solution to dealing with molesters of the hunt he used in the book Deliverance by James Dickie.
The rustlers had highpowered loaded rifles.
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
You didn't answer my question as to where is the proof these were rustlers. I generally hunt with one of my compound bows myself. But I do carry the glock too.
You people in Azlan sure are grumpy.
I think the "proof" was in the over 10,000 illegal aliens the rancher had already captured or runoff his property.
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
Poor baby. He is annoyed so he has to harass and lynch Americans who are of Mexican decent to show he has full diapers. He fucked up, and he didn't follow the standard of innocent until proved guilty. I would have taken his land away from him over this being he obviously is too immature to handle the stewardship responsibilities of it. I have had to walk into a patch of government land through private property too. If a land owner pulled a piece on me and irrationally tried to make me his bitch because he was annoyed at dealings with other people in the past, I'd center shoot him at first opportunity for having put me in fear of my life.
Actually, he didn't "fuck up." The US government is responsible for border oversight ... they did not do their job. The State of Arizona is responsible for ensuring licensed hunters operate on state approved land. He was simply doing the job he had to, since the government on all levels, neglected their duties. They must have been out to Starbucks for a coffee.
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
Using easement rights to get to government land is not 'fucking up.' He only has redress of grievances with hunters if he has posted his land as off limits to hunting and catches people violating that. He caught them traversing his land to get to public land. The easement for people to do that was something he could not prevent as per well established custom with easements for access. He was wrong and was admittedly rude and nasty because of their ethnic background assuming incorrectly they were Mexicans. He got off light in this tort filing.
If you read the article you also would see this cat is a lessee, not owner of the land anyway, the state owns it. He merely has temporary license to look at it as his land.
So that's worth $98,000? The case was already thrown out of criminal court (Ronald, the gun toting Mexican, attempted to file criminal charges), so they used this back-handed venue which has little or no evidence requirements. You buy that sort of stuff?
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
Ronald is an American of Mexican decent. I am an American of Irish and Puerto Rican decent. There's the rub. Ronald ain't no Mexican. Many times a DA will avoid cases that are politically contentious or that do not have the chance of meeting the standard of prove of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm sure you like the civil decision proven by preponderance of the evidence in OJ Simpson's case, and civil torts are not validated or invalidated based on criminal court considerations. The ruling was fair and the award was too low, so it goes. He played the bigot game against an ethnic group that has the largest percentage of Medal of Honor awards and is noted for serving in the armed forces with distinction and lost. As he deserved to.
Many times a DA will avoid cases that are politically contentious or that do not have the chance of meeting the standard of prove of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm sure you like the civil decision proven by preponderance of the evidence in OJ Simpson's case, and civil torts are not validated or invalidated based on criminal court considerations. The ruling was fair and the award was too low, so it goes. He played the bigot game against an ethnic group that has the largest percentage of Medal of Honor awards and is noted for serving in the armed forces with distinction and lost. As he deserved to. Very good, Mikey. In the civil proceeding he probably thought he could explain his case and still win. Five bux says the rancher lost his own case through sheer arrogance, and by relying on prejudice that the judge or jury didnt share. There are still those who believe we "did the Japs a favor" by interning them during WWII, even though they were citizens and not one was ever convicted of espionage. They lost their case, too.
Thank heaven for little girls for little girls get bigger every day! Thank heaven for little girls they grow up in the most delightful way!
That was another "horseshit" case. If the man was acquitted of criminal charges there should be no add-on civil suit attempting to overturn the earlier result. Its incredible to see this jurisprudence system all screwed up. You are witnessing the fall of America right before your eyes and more to the point, you are agreeing with a false system of justice.
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
We didn't inter "the Japs" during WW II, we interred American Citizens of Japanese decent. We did not do them a favor, and that action was unconstitutional and a black mark on our collective soul as a nation.
You said it yourself, criminal and civil jurisprudence are two separate things. And you are satisfied with the judgment against OJ in civil court as a consolation prize against the actions of someone about whom there is little doubt to his guilt in those murders. Dummy had a right to ask these folks with courtesy as to their intentions and purpose in traversing the land he leases from the state. Wyatt Earp in his own mind had no right to humiliate and bully anyone merely because he has a hard on about their ethnic background.
Aren't you shackling him with an "obligation?" How is an obligation a "right?"
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
Those folks were not guilty until they could plead and beg on their knees plaintively that they were innocent. They were innocent until proven guilty. If they are American citizens, and moving with a purpose in the direction of known public land where people hunt during hunting season, dummy should leave them the hell alone. But he has a lynch happy mindset in which anyone of Mexican decent or citizenship are evil incarnate and he paid dearly for his lack of maturity, common sense, and malicious rudeness. Just because you are pissed about something doesn't give someone the right to project their anger on another and seek to make them the scapegoat over it. I hate to break it to you Buckeroo, but people who assume the wrong thing and deprive others of certain rights lose in civil court all the time.
The civil case shall be appealed. Lets see the outcome then.
your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine
The judgment will be upheld, and then you'll rant against the only other part of Anglo-American jurisprudence that you haven't already trashed. (And, btw the case isn't re-tried in an appeal, only the procedures and proper admission and/or exclusion of evidence will be reviewed. Since no one made any motions to suppress any evidence, i.e. the AZ hunting laws and the facts cannot be re-tried, there are simply no appealable issues but the size of the award. And even that won't affect the finding of liability on the part of the rancher. Or, perhaps you're hoping that the AZ Court Of Appeals, the state supreme court or even the SCOTUS will find that no white man should ever be criminally convicted or liable for the commission of a willful tort against brown skinned people, or convicted on the testimony of same? Good luck when reality comes crashing in. Hope it doesn't hurt too, too much. If you still don't understand then I'll explain it to you and the rest of your klavern. It's a principle known as "justice" and it doesn't come from a bunch of drunks with a length of rope. Your thought processes resemble the Mexicans' more than you know, amigo. If you believe that might makes right then you'll fit in perfectly in "Nuevo Aztlan". Oh, wait. You're white, right? No justice for you! (And, you certainly understand that.) According to you the innocent are guilty and there's no need for evidence beyond a newspaper clipping, and the guilty are innocent despite a trial. And, now you're pinning your hopes on a higher tribunal of the same system that just "got it 100% wrong" to reinforce your irrational hatred and prejudice. So, is the court of appeals all wise and will you accept their findings? Or, are they bunch of turds despite your confidence in them? Why would you display so much confidence in a bunch of turds? Or, are they wise if they agree with you and turds if they don't? (Mommy, I want what I want when I want it! Good mommies gimme what I want. Baaaad mommies say no to mee! BWAAAAAAAAA!!) Under your system of "justice" newspaper reporters would be virtual gods and citizens would be powerless to resist their powerful spin of newspaper stories and the punishments that would follow. (And, there go your guns, too. Reporters would certainly take them away and who are we to argue with that "wisdom" on your behalf? HAH!) So, you'd cheerfully destroy a thousand years of law and substitute brute force in service to the whims of childish Pollyannas as long as brown people are made to suffer in this case. That makes you appear very ignorant.
Thank heaven for little girls for little girls get bigger every day! Thank heaven for little girls they grow up in the most delightful way!
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#68. To: buckeroo (#66)
#69. To: buckeroo (#66)
JT, is that you hiding behind a skirt?
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#73. To: Morgana le Fay, Minerva (#71)
#74. To: buckeroo (#70)
#75. To: buckeroo (#73)
re you (both of you) aware that it took you about one hour to finally get the tag line correct
#76. To: Morgana le Fay, Minerva (#72)
#77. To: buckeroo (#76)
#78. To: Morgana le Fay (#77)
we are going to bed now.
#79. To: buckeroo (#76)
BTW, you could reduce the font size and subdue the colour so as to ensure that your point about me is not overwhelming in everypost you make.
#80. To: buckeroo (#78)
My heavens ... what are you two going to do without me?
#81. To: Minerva (#79)
Like Morgan said, we have to go to bed now.
#82. To: Morgana le Fay (#80)
we can get you over here anytime we want.
#83. To: Morgana le Fay, Minerva, Buckaroo (#24)
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Performed by John Prine
Published by Universal Music Publishing Group (BMI) / Spoondevil Music and Pink Sky Music
Administered by Bug Music, Inc. (BMI)
Courtesy of Oh Boy Records
Lyrics for Song: Let's Talk Dirty In Hawaiian
Lyrics for Album: Other Songs
For the land of the tall palm tree.
Aloha ol’ Milwaukee,
Hello Waikiki
I just stepped down from the airplane
When I heard her say.
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Would you like a ……Lay
Whisper in my ear
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Are the words I long to hear
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Whata hecka mooka mooka dear.
Let’s talk dirty in Hawaiian
Say the words I long to hear.
#84. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
J. The Commission may grant permission to lock or obliterate a gate or close a road or trail that provides legally available access to state lands for licensed hunters and fishermen if access to such lands is provided by a reasonable alternate route. Under R12-4-610, the Director may grant a permit to a state land lessee to temporarily lock a gate or close an existing road that provides access to state lands if the taking of wildlife will cause unreasonable interference during a critical livestock or commercial operation. This permit shall not exceed 30 days. Applications for permits for more than 30 days shall be submitted to the Commission for approval. If a permit is issued to temporarily close a road or gate, a copy of the permit shall be posted at the point of the closure during the period of the closure.
#85. To: HOUNDDAWG (#84)
#86. To: Ferret Mike (#85)
This guy got what he deserved ...
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#99. To: Ferret Mike (#98)
Ronald is an American of Mexican decent. I am an American of Irish and Puerto Rican decent. There's the rub. Ronald ain't no Mexican.
#100. To: Ferret Mike (#98)
I'm sure you like the civil decision proven by preponderance of the evidence in OJ Simpson's case, and civil torts are not validated or invalidated based on criminal court considerations.
#101. To: HOUNDDAWG (#99)
#102. To: buckeroo (#100)
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#103. To: Ferret Mike (#102)
Dummy [Roger] had a right to ask these folks with courtesy as to their intentions and purpose in traversing the land he leases from the state.
#104. To: buckeroo (#103)
"Aren't you shackling him with an "obligation?" How is an obligation a "right?""
#105. To: Ferret Mike (#104)
Just because you are pissed about something doesn't give someone the right to project their anger on another and seek to make them the scapegoat over it.
#106. To: buckeroo, Ferret Mike, Zipporah, christine, rowdee, robin (#105)
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The civil case shall be appealed. Lets see the outcome then.
#107. To: Ferret Mike, christine, Zipporah, Diana, rowdee, robin (#104)
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