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Title: Jury Orders Rancher to Pay Hunting Party
Source: www.wilmingtonstar.com
URL Source: http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/ ... le?AID=/20061123/APA/611232426
Published: Nov 25, 2006
Author: AP
Post Date: 2006-11-25 17:37:41 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 842
Comments: 107

SIERRA VISTA, Ariz. | An anti-illegal immigration activist accused of threatening to shoot a Mexican-American family of hunters with an assault rifle and using racial slurs against them was ordered to pay them $98,000.

A civil jury held rancher Roger Barnett only partly responsible, saying some of the blame lay with the man who sued and the man's father.

Ronald Morales and his father, Arturo, were with his two young daughters and their friend when Barnett confronted them near his Douglas-area ranch and accused them of trespassing Oct. 30, 2004.

Morales' lawsuit claims they were legally crossing land Barnett leases from the state. The Moraleses are U.S. citizens of Mexican descent.

Barnett, who claims to have detained more than 10,000 migrants in the last 10 years, denied threatening the hunting party. He testified that he only took out his AR-15 rifle because the adults in the group were carrying rifles.

Morales, a Navy veteran, said he felt justice had been served by the verdict.

"We came to court and spoke the truth, and the jury heard that truth," Morales said. "Hopefully this sends a message that you can't point a gun at little kids - or anybody for that matter - and then threaten to shoot them."

Barnett declined to comment, saying his lawyer advised him against speaking. His brother, Donald Barnett, expressed disappointment.

"In the Morales family, the father taught the son to trespass, and now the father's teaching the daughters how to trespass in blatant disregard for the law," said Donald Barnett, who was initially named in the suit but later dropped as a defendant. "I guess in this country, private property and a person's rights don't mean much any more."

The lawsuit was sponsored by the Border Action Network and the Southern Poverty Law Center, civil rights groups that have accused Barnett of acting as a vigilante and abusing illegal immigrants he detains on his ranch.

The family sued Barnett for assault, false imprisonment, negligence and intentional infliction of emotional distress. The jury found in favor of all five plaintiffs Wednesday.

Morales said he asked the Cochise County Attorney to press criminal charges against Barnett, but was told no jury would convict him.

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#1. To: All, buckeroo (#0)

74. To: Gatlin (#72)

Those scammers have no compassion or compunction and don't care who they bilk, nor who or what cause they hurt; they have theirs and that's all that matters to them. You are referencing Chris Simcox.

If I thought I had a chance to punch your face in, I would take it. You are as disgusting here on LP as you are on CP. But you have no shame. You hide behind mastermind's asshole.

buckeroo posted on 2006-11-25 17:38:15 ET

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=167297&Disp=73#C73

Shut-up you coward piece of shit. Buck, you only know how to beat up your own coward, loud mouthed ass.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-25   17:41:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ferret Mike (#1)

If I thought I had a chance to punch your face in, I would take it. - buckeroo

Don't you just love guys with internet balls?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-11-25   17:43:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull, all (#1)

Why do you think that christine had Neil make a buckeroo filter here?

And why the hell don't you use it?

"Taxes are not raised to carry on wars, wars are raised to carry on taxes."
-Thomas Paine

Lod  posted on  2006-11-25   19:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lodwick (#3)

buckeroo filter

my bad. it's just been activated.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-11-25   21:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

my bad. it's just been activated.

Sanity saver enacted.

Good job.

I sometimes wonder what I've missed, but then, I snap to, and go on to real posters here.

"Taxes are not raised to carry on wars, wars are raised to carry on taxes."
-Thomas Paine

Lod  posted on  2006-11-25   21:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull, buckeroo (#4)

Ponchy is posting here now. We tried to talk to him but he won't speak to us. Maybe buckeroo can keep him entertained.

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-25   21:12:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Minerva (#6) (Edited)

You know what's saddest of all is I agree with Bucky and Ponchy on the most important issues, but they are too busy pretending to be stoic to realise it.

When the going gets weird the weird turn pro. - Hunter S Thompson

Dakmar  posted on  2006-11-25   21:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike, buckeroo (#1)

Shut-up you coward piece of shit.

I went up to my brothers for Thanksgiving and wished I hadn't, he was sloppy drunk. Reminded me of the two of you. :)

When the going gets weird the weird turn pro. - Hunter S Thompson

Dakmar  posted on  2006-11-25   21:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Minerva (#6)

Ponchy? Here?? WTF??? Have you made him look silly yet????

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-11-25   21:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

Ponchy? Here?? WTF??? Have you made him look silly yet????

He is posting as "RedHeadedStranger". I think he wants us to think he is Tori Amos.

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-25   21:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

Tahtitian Moon - Porno for Pyros:

When the going gets weird the weird turn pro. - Hunter S Thompson

Dakmar  posted on  2006-11-25   22:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lodwick, Jethro Tull, Minerva, buckeroo (#3) (Edited)

--

You are right. But here is a how to post like Buck video I was hoping to share with him, so forgive the ping to him in his vernacular. I know it is crude, abusive and rude, but how else to get a guy like him pinged to a video that has him written all over it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   0:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ferret Mike (#1)

Shut-up you coward piece of shit. Buck, you only know how to beat up your own coward, loud mouthed ass.

Hiya punk. What was that above remark? You think you can make a thread and play with yourself? Well, of course you can. Thats all you do.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   0:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo (#13)

"Hiya punk. What was that above remark? You think you can make a thread and play with yourself? Well, of course you can. Thats all you do."

Watch the video, it's you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   0:28:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

Don't you just love guys with internet balls?

Cheap government jobs with cheap retirement accounts. Blah blah blah

But hows your cheap website going ... PostLiberty ... its a smash across the Internet really racking up the acclaim, correct?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   0:30:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Dakmar (#7)

You don't even know what stoic means. You probably mean to suggest, "sowhatitis" ... something like that.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   0:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo (#16)

Do you remember an old Country and Western song that went "wiki wiki wiki let's talk dirty in Hawaiian"?

Who did it?

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   0:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

You aren't doing anything anymore. You are lost. You think because you can suggest some sort of rap where you feel safe and secure doesn't dismiss you from being objective.

OK, treeclimber.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   0:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Minerva (#17)

ArloGuthrie

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   0:38:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo (#18)

You are abusive and ignorant. You are a joke. Thanks for sharing your arrogance; I knew you would, you are very predictable.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   0:39:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: buckeroo (#18)

Ponchy was over here tonight. JT says he drinks those little umbrella drinks. Do you want me to introduce you?

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   0:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#18)

ArloGuthrie

It doesn't sound like something he would do. I will look on U Tube.

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   0:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ferret Mike (#20)

You are a joke.

Sure tree climber, what ever you say. What else do you want from me tonite?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   0:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Minerva (#22)

ArloGuthrie

It doesn't sound like something he would do. I will look on U Tube.

the guy at the hotel desk said it was the same guy who sang 'King of the Road' and 'Kansas City Star'. whoever that was.

Remember, free speech is a privilege, not a right. In time of war speech should be censored and even prosecuted if it crosses the line. ~ Aaron on LP

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   0:43:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#23)

"Sure tree climber, what ever you say. What else do you want from me tonite?"

That's it buck. Thanks for the rare show of adult maturity in that last post. I knew you have it in you, sometimes.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   0:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Minerva (#21)

ContinentalOp has an excellent perspective. You wouldn't understand his point of view would you .... unless he leashed your neck with a steel chain an lead you to the trough of reason and truth ... correct?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   0:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

That's it buck.

You begged ... I delivered.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   0:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#23)

we are staying at a lodge in estes park colorado. there are elk all over the town. the bar serves a big orange drink with antlers on it. no umbrella but i thought of you when i saw it.

Remember, free speech is a privilege, not a right. In time of war speech should be censored and even prosecuted if it crosses the line. ~ Aaron on LP

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   0:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#26)

ContinentalOp has an excellent perspective. You wouldn't understand his point of view would you .... unless he leashed your neck with a steel chain an lead you to the trough of reason and truth ... correct?

why does he want us to think he is tori amos? we know he isn't.

Remember, free speech is a privilege, not a right. In time of war speech should be censored and even prosecuted if it crosses the line. ~ Aaron on LP

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   0:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

Since you begged for my presence for your attempt to play around ... I just thought of a question that may be of interest to your friends at large here upon 4um .... just what else do you do besides climb trees?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   0:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Morgana le Fay (#28)

Why don't you like ContinentalOp?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: buckeroo (#30)

just what else do you do besides climb trees?

He hangs out on the internet and baits you.

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   1:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Morgana le Fay (#29)

You have the tenacity to make some of the best people on the Internet cry. Are you aware of your personal quality?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#31)

Why don't you like ContinentalOp?

i like him. we would rehabilitate him if he would stay around long enough.

Remember, free speech is a privilege, not a right. In time of war speech should be censored and even prosecuted if it crosses the line. ~ Aaron on LP

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   1:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Minerva (#32)

He hangs out on the internet and baits you.

WOW, I am flattered.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeroo (#30)

"just what else do you do besides climb trees?"

What do you do besides get drunk and abusive on BBS sites?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   1:06:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Morgana le Fay (#34)

we would rehabilitate him if he would stay around long enough.

What do you mean, "we?" Whom would be involved?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#31)

Why don't you like ContinentalOp?

Why is he so angry all the time? Is it true what JT says about the "angry inch"?

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   1:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeroo (#35)

I like your tag line.

tom007  posted on  2006-11-26   1:06:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: buckeroo (#37)

What do you mean, "we?" Whom would be involved?

minerva and i. we have another friend who might help too. but she is not nice like we are and we are afraid she might scare ponchy off.

Remember, free speech is a privilege, not a right. In time of war speech should be censored and even prosecuted if it crosses the line. ~ Aaron on LP

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   1:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeroo (#37)

I have to get up early and work tomorrow buck. Try to be good,you hear?;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   1:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Morgana le Fay, buckeroo (#40)

She is liable to lose patience and slap ponchy around. That might be counter productive.

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   1:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ferret Mike (#36)

You increasingly remind me of my pet dawg. I can scratch her back all the time but she is a mean ol' reprobate animal. She snaps at me and begs and sometimes licks.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: tom007 (#39)

I offer only the best, Tom. I swear its true.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Morgana le Fay, Continental Op (#40)

This is awesome. I am sending ContinentalOp an email abour your courtesous regards right now!

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeroo (#44)

Why are you picking on Christine with your tag line?

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   1:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: buckeroo (#45)

This is awesome. I am sending ContinentalOp an email abour your courtesous regards right now!

he was already here tonight. pretty sober too. i am sure he knows.

Remember, free speech is a privilege, not a right. In time of war speech should be censored and even prosecuted if it crosses the line. ~ Aaron on LP

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   1:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Minerva (#46)

Why are you picking on Christine with your tag line?

Its the truth, isn't it?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: buckeroo (#48)

Its the truth, isn't it?

How so?

Remember, free speech is a privilege, not a right. In time of war speech should be censored and even prosecuted if it crosses the line. ~ Aaron on LP

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   1:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: buckeroo (#48)

Its the truth, isn't it?

Opposing the Bush corporate police state makes one a fascist?

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   1:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Morgana le Fay (#49)

Christine said it. Its posted by her and its the truth, correct?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:32:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeroo (#51)

Christine said it. Its posted by her and its the truth, correct?

I see. She said it while she was taking control of you. It was sort of an apology for having to shut you down. Makes sense now.

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   1:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: buckeroo (#51)

did you run off jessejane?

I am the cyber Liberaci -- buckeroo

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   1:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Minerva (#52)

It was sort of an apology for having to shut you down.

Oh, I see .. Christine needs to be apologetic to me. Why didn't I think of that? And, here all along .. I thought it was funny.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: buckeroo (#54)

It was funny, but probably not in the way you thought it was.

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   1:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Minerva (#55)

Oh no, it was very funny. The tag line besides the thread grabbed your attention didn't it?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:48:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Morgana le Fay (#53)

That's a nice tag as well. We're all swell here.

tom007  posted on  2006-11-26   1:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: tom007 (#57)

But Morgana made that up. I didn't say that. And she is lying about that exact quote.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   1:56:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: buckeroo (#58)

I thought that tricky Morgana was up to something sinister. Thanks for the tip off.

tom007  posted on  2006-11-26   2:02:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: tom007 (#59)

Not her. She is just Jethro Tull's puppet from PostLiberty which doesn't exist anymore. Its not her fault.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   2:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: buckeroo (#58)

But Morgana made that up. I didn't say that. And she is lying about that exact quote.

is this better?

II am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   2:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: buckeroo (#58)

Tagline Check.

II am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   2:38:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: buckeroo (#60)

JT says your head got run over by a truck when you were a kid. Is that true?

II am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   2:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Minerva (#62)

Still, you are in error both literally and without the essence of which I delivered.

Can't you get anything right, girl?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   2:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: buckeroo (#64)

II am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   2:49:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Minerva (#63)

I just noted that Morgana has the same or identical tagline as yourself. Complete with errors and URL pointers. Kinda odd, isn't it that two posters attempt to play with me within five minutes?

JT, is that you hiding behind a skirt?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   2:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: buckeroo (#66)

I copied her tagline. I thought it was appropriate for this evening.

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   2:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: buckeroo (#66)

i think the tagline is correct. click the link and you can see the quote.

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   2:53:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: buckeroo (#66)

JT, is that you hiding behind a skirt?

You are too paranoid of JT. He enjoys watching you thrash around. He doesn't want to hurt you.

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   2:55:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Morgana le Fay (#68)

#61. To: buckeroo (#58)

But Morgana made that up. I didn't say that. And she is lying about that exact quote. is this better?

II am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Morgana le Fay posted on 2006-11-26 2:35:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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#62. To: buckeroo (#58)

Tagline Check.

II am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Minerva posted on 2006-11-26 2:38:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

You mean you two fixed your tagline. Aren't you happy I caught your grammatical and weblink errors?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   2:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: buckeroo (#66) (Edited)

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   2:59:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: buckeroo (#70)

the weblink works. i just checked it. it is post #222 where you tell us you are the liberace of the internet.

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   3:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Morgana le Fay, Minerva (#71)

Are you (both of you) aware that it took you about one hour to finally get the tag line correct? I was worrying about you JT.

But, now that you got your literals and URL pointers correct, you deserve a prize.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   3:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: buckeroo (#70)

(That's a guy there on the right.)

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   3:03:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: buckeroo (#73)

re you (both of you) aware that it took you about one hour to finally get the tag line correct

No, it only took about three minutes. We went down to the bar while you were bitching and didn't fix it until we got back.

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   3:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Morgana le Fay, Minerva (#72)

BTW, you could reduce the font size and subdue the colour so as to ensure that your point about me is not overwhelming in everypost you make.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   3:06:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: buckeroo (#76)

it's fine the way it is. we are going to bed now. we are going skiing tomorrow and we can't stay up all night listening to your blather.

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   3:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Morgana le Fay (#77)

we are going to bed now.

My heavens ... what are you two going to do without me?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   3:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: buckeroo (#76)

BTW, you could reduce the font size and subdue the colour so as to ensure that your point about me is not overwhelming in everypost you make.

People would still see it. We will take it down if you donate $200 to the site. Like Morgan said, we have to go to bed now. We are driving to Wyoming tomorrow to go skiing and we can't stay up all night.

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Minerva  posted on  2006-11-26   3:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: buckeroo (#78)

My heavens ... what are you two going to do without me?

we can get you over here anytime we want. so we don't worry about it.

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-11-26   3:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Minerva (#79)

Like Morgan said, we have to go to bed now.

Why won't you take me with you?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   3:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Morgana le Fay (#80)

we can get you over here anytime we want.

Thats exactly what I want to hear.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   3:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Morgana le Fay, Minerva, Buckaroo (#24)

ArloGuthrie

It doesn't sound like something he would do. I will look on U Tube.

the guy at the hotel desk said it was the same guy who sang 'King of the Road' and 'Kansas City Star'. whoever that was.

King of the Road was by Roger Miller. Two Roger Miller songs appear in the film "Duane Hopwood" from 2005 (Dang Me and You Can't Rollerskate in a Buffalo Herd). Let's Talk Dirty in Hawaiian also appears in the film and is by John Prine.

The film starred David Schwimmer and Janeane Garofalo.

The song appears to have been first released in 1985 on the album "German Afternoons" by John Prine.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0398982/soundtrack

"LET'S TALK DIRTY IN HAWAIIAN"
Written by Fred Koller and John Prine
Performed by John Prine
Published by Universal Music Publishing Group (BMI) / Spoondevil Music and Pink Sky Music
Administered by Bug Music, Inc. (BMI)
Courtesy of Oh Boy Records

http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/prine-john/lets-talk-dirty-in-hawaiian-15772.html

Artist/Band: Prine John
Lyrics for Song: Let's Talk Dirty In Hawaiian
Lyrics for Album: Other Songs

Well, I packed my bags and bought myself a ticket
For the land of the tall palm tree.
Aloha ol’ Milwaukee,
Hello Waikiki
I just stepped down from the airplane
When I heard her say.
“Wacka Wacka, nuka, licka
Wacka Wacka nuka licka
Would you like a ……Lay

Hey, Let’s talk dirty in Hawaiian
Whisper in my ear
Kicka puka maka waawaa heenee
Are the words I long to hear
Lay your coconut on my tickie
Whata hecka mooka mooka dear.
Let’s talk dirty in Hawaiian
Say the words I long to hear.

[snip]

nolu_chan  posted on  2006-11-26   4:00:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

J. The Commission may grant permission to lock or obliterate a gate or close a road or trail that provides legally available access to state lands for licensed hunters and fishermen if access to such lands is provided by a reasonable alternate route. Under R12-4-610, the Director may grant a permit to a state land lessee to temporarily lock a gate or close an existing road that provides access to state lands if the taking of wildlife will cause unreasonable interference during a critical livestock or commercial operation. This permit shall not exceed 30 days. Applications for permits for more than 30 days shall be submitted to the Commission for approval. If a permit is issued to temporarily close a road or gate, a copy of the permit shall be posted at the point of the closure during the period of the closure.

K. When hunting, fishing, or trapping on state land, a license holder shall not:

1. Break or remove any lock or cut any fence to gain access to state land;

2. Open and not immediately close a gate;

It would appear that hunters may lawfully access state lands that are leased to citizens except when limited permits are issued to deny access, and then for no more than 30 days.

And, I'm betting that this individual could tell at a glance that these Mexican-Americans were lawfully hunting or plinking, and were not your average mojados.

In other words, he was wrong to confront them.

An experienced "Wet Mex herder" should be savvy enough to tell the diff between them and legal residents and citizens.

So, he may have been venting his frustrations on browns with little regard for their rights, in which case the judgment was proper.

Thank heaven for little girls for little girls get bigger every day! Thank heaven for little girls they grow up in the most delightful way!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-11-26   6:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: HOUNDDAWG (#84)

Good post. I am irritated to see so many at LP sounding and acting so FReeperish on this story. Goldi has succeeded in driving any element of reasoned voice out of an argument when you hear a lynch mob's chorus instead of a reasoned discussion on issues.

This forum has that fault to in the irrational timbre of discussions on Zionists and Jews that begs a sane response of not wanting to listen to any of it the blurred dog snarl barking with the chain a tight guitar string between post and dog tightened to the key of blind hate.

I am disappointed that Goldi after flirting with free speech has donned the garb of an SS lyncher, baiter and whiner.

This guy got what he deserved, even thought the judgment was on the low side. I a satisfied by it.

The immigration problem denotes why I throw up at the hypocrisy of Christianity.

Anti-immigration people are so self righteous in decrying how they are hated and disrespected so much as Americans by the influx, but they are too chicken to take on those promoting the influx scared by their political and economic power and do exactly the wrong thing which is hate and bait the desperate mases coming in scapegoating them as the easier target.

Why can't they see how much like a cowardly bully this makes them look?

Criticism of one's neighbor as these folks surely are should come with an acknowledgment of their humanity and a warm hand of friendship and empathy.

Even if it is extended with the desire for them to go back home in he heart of the hand's owner.

Being concerned on an issue never is an excuse to blindly hate a group of people.

That is just wrong.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   7:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Ferret Mike (#85)

This guy got what he deserved ...

It was a civil suit. Why did he deserve a $98,000 judgement against him when he was defending his own cattle from rustlers?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   10:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: buckeroo (#86)

Where did he prove they were rustlers? Oh, I get it, if you look Mexican you are automatically guilty of the worst thing assumable.

Figures.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   11:09:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: buckeroo (#86)

Personally, I like Lewis' solution to dealing with molesters of the hunt he used in the book Deliverance by James Dickie.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   11:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Ferret Mike (#87)

The rustlers had highpowered loaded rifles.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   11:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: buckeroo (#89)

You didn't answer my question as to where is the proof these were rustlers.

I generally hunt with one of my compound bows myself. But I do carry the glock too.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   11:36:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: buckeroo (#89)

You people in Azlan sure are grumpy.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   11:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Ferret Mike (#90)

I think the "proof" was in the over 10,000 illegal aliens the rancher had already captured or runoff his property.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   11:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: buckeroo (#92)

Poor baby. He is annoyed so he has to harass and lynch Americans who are of Mexican decent to show he has full diapers.

He fucked up, and he didn't follow the standard of innocent until proved guilty. I would have taken his land away from him over this being he obviously is too immature to handle the stewardship responsibilities of it.

I have had to walk into a patch of government land through private property too. If a land owner pulled a piece on me and irrationally tried to make me his bitch because he was annoyed at dealings with other people in the past, I'd center shoot him at first opportunity for having put me in fear of my life.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   11:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Ferret Mike (#93)

Actually, he didn't "fuck up." The US government is responsible for border oversight ... they did not do their job. The State of Arizona is responsible for ensuring licensed hunters operate on state approved land.

He was simply doing the job he had to, since the government on all levels, neglected their duties. They must have been out to Starbucks for a coffee.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   12:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: buckeroo (#94)

Using easement rights to get to government land is not 'fucking up.' He only has redress of grievances with hunters if he has posted his land as off limits to hunting and catches people violating that.

He caught them traversing his land to get to public land. The easement for people to do that was something he could not prevent as per well established custom with easements for access.

He was wrong and was admittedly rude and nasty because of their ethnic background assuming incorrectly they were Mexicans. He got off light in this tort filing.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   12:11:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: buckeroo (#94)

If you read the article you also would see this cat is a lessee, not owner of the land anyway, the state owns it. He merely has temporary license to look at it as his land.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   12:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Ferret Mike (#95)

So that's worth $98,000? The case was already thrown out of criminal court (Ronald, the gun toting Mexican, attempted to file criminal charges), so they used this back-handed venue which has little or no evidence requirements.

You buy that sort of stuff?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   12:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: buckeroo (#97)

Ronald is an American of Mexican decent. I am an American of Irish and Puerto Rican decent. There's the rub. Ronald ain't no Mexican.

Many times a DA will avoid cases that are politically contentious or that do not have the chance of meeting the standard of prove of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

I'm sure you like the civil decision proven by preponderance of the evidence in OJ Simpson's case, and civil torts are not validated or invalidated based on criminal court considerations.

The ruling was fair and the award was too low, so it goes. He played the bigot game against an ethnic group that has the largest percentage of Medal of Honor awards and is noted for serving in the armed forces with distinction and lost.

As he deserved to.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   12:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Ferret Mike (#98)

Ronald is an American of Mexican decent. I am an American of Irish and Puerto Rican decent. There's the rub. Ronald ain't no Mexican.

Many times a DA will avoid cases that are politically contentious or that do not have the chance of meeting the standard of prove of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

I'm sure you like the civil decision proven by preponderance of the evidence in OJ Simpson's case, and civil torts are not validated or invalidated based on criminal court considerations.

The ruling was fair and the award was too low, so it goes. He played the bigot game against an ethnic group that has the largest percentage of Medal of Honor awards and is noted for serving in the armed forces with distinction and lost.

As he deserved to.

Very good, Mikey.

In the civil proceeding he probably thought he could explain his case and still win.

Five bux says the rancher lost his own case through sheer arrogance, and by relying on prejudice that the judge or jury didnt share.

There are still those who believe we "did the Japs a favor" by interning them during WWII, even though they were citizens and not one was ever convicted of espionage.

They lost their case, too.

Thank heaven for little girls for little girls get bigger every day! Thank heaven for little girls they grow up in the most delightful way!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-11-26   12:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Ferret Mike (#98)

I'm sure you like the civil decision proven by preponderance of the evidence in OJ Simpson's case, and civil torts are not validated or invalidated based on criminal court considerations.

That was another "horseshit" case. If the man was acquitted of criminal charges there should be no add-on civil suit attempting to overturn the earlier result.

Its incredible to see this jurisprudence system all screwed up. You are witnessing the fall of America right before your eyes and more to the point, you are agreeing with a false system of justice.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   12:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: HOUNDDAWG (#99)

We didn't inter "the Japs" during WW II, we interred American Citizens of Japanese decent. We did not do them a favor, and that action was unconstitutional and a black mark on our collective soul as a nation.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   12:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: buckeroo (#100) (Edited)

You said it yourself, criminal and civil jurisprudence are two separate things. And you are satisfied with the judgment against OJ in civil court as a consolation prize against the actions of someone about whom there is little doubt to his guilt in those murders.

Dummy had a right to ask these folks with courtesy as to their intentions and purpose in traversing the land he leases from the state.

Wyatt Earp in his own mind had no right to humiliate and bully anyone merely because he has a hard on about their ethnic background.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   12:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Ferret Mike (#102)

Dummy [Roger] had a right to ask these folks with courtesy as to their intentions and purpose in traversing the land he leases from the state.

Aren't you shackling him with an "obligation?" How is an obligation a "right?"

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   13:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: buckeroo (#103)

"Aren't you shackling him with an "obligation?" How is an obligation a "right?""

Those folks were not guilty until they could plead and beg on their knees plaintively that they were innocent. They were innocent until proven guilty.

If they are American citizens, and moving with a purpose in the direction of known public land where people hunt during hunting season, dummy should leave them the hell alone.

But he has a lynch happy mindset in which anyone of Mexican decent or citizenship are evil incarnate and he paid dearly for his lack of maturity, common sense, and malicious rudeness. Just because you are pissed about something doesn't give someone the right to project their anger on another and seek to make them the scapegoat over it.

I hate to break it to you Buckeroo, but people who assume the wrong thing and deprive others of certain rights lose in civil court all the time.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-26   13:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Ferret Mike (#104)

Just because you are pissed about something doesn't give someone the right to project their anger on another and seek to make them the scapegoat over it.

The civil case shall be appealed. Lets see the outcome then.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-11-26   13:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: buckeroo, Ferret Mike, Zipporah, christine, rowdee, robin (#105) (Edited)

The civil case shall be appealed. Lets see the outcome then.

The judgment will be upheld, and then you'll rant against the only other part of Anglo-American jurisprudence that you haven't already trashed. (And, btw the case isn't re-tried in an appeal, only the procedures and proper admission and/or exclusion of evidence will be reviewed. Since no one made any motions to suppress any evidence, i.e. the AZ hunting laws and the facts cannot be re-tried, there are simply no appealable issues but the size of the award. And even that won't affect the finding of liability on the part of the rancher.

Or, perhaps you're hoping that the AZ Court Of Appeals, the state supreme court or even the SCOTUS will find that no white man should ever be criminally convicted or liable for the commission of a willful tort against brown skinned people, or convicted on the testimony of same? Good luck when reality comes crashing in. Hope it doesn't hurt too, too much.

If you still don't understand then I'll explain it to you and the rest of your klavern. It's a principle known as "justice" and it doesn't come from a bunch of drunks with a length of rope. Your thought processes resemble the Mexicans' more than you know, amigo. If you believe that might makes right then you'll fit in perfectly in "Nuevo Aztlan". Oh, wait. You're white, right? No justice for you! (And, you certainly understand that.)

According to you the innocent are guilty and there's no need for evidence beyond a newspaper clipping, and the guilty are innocent despite a trial. And, now you're pinning your hopes on a higher tribunal of the same system that just "got it 100% wrong" to reinforce your irrational hatred and prejudice. So, is the court of appeals all wise and will you accept their findings? Or, are they bunch of turds despite your confidence in them? Why would you display so much confidence in a bunch of turds? Or, are they wise if they agree with you and turds if they don't? (Mommy, I want what I want when I want it! Good mommies gimme what I want. Baaaad mommies say no to mee! BWAAAAAAAAA!!)

Under your system of "justice" newspaper reporters would be virtual gods and citizens would be powerless to resist their powerful spin of newspaper stories and the punishments that would follow. (And, there go your guns, too. Reporters would certainly take them away and who are we to argue with that "wisdom" on your behalf? HAH!)

So, you'd cheerfully destroy a thousand years of law and substitute brute force in service to the whims of childish Pollyannas as long as brown people are made to suffer in this case.

That makes you appear very ignorant.

Thank heaven for little girls for little girls get bigger every day! Thank heaven for little girls they grow up in the most delightful way!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-11-26   17:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Ferret Mike, christine, Zipporah, Diana, rowdee, robin (#104)

sig line test! ;)

"yeah washing machines are a girl's best friend"___Zipporah

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-11-26   18:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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