4um: How to harass Illegal Aliens

I'm sure that you are right about that. The Mexicans jumping up into the bed of the gringo's truck don't give a shit about politics. They want eat and some cash in their pockets.

Nevertheless, while the motive behind Mexicans coming here may not be political in the slightest, our SINS OF OMISSION in letting them flood over here is VERY political, and we have recently seen how effectively these people can be mobilized.

One can make a damn good argument that the macro economics that have produced this wave of migrants is deliberate and part of a larger political re- ordering. I have no problem with such an analysis.

A lot of us have a problem though with the "macroeconomics." Supply and demand seems to demand a lot of things. My nieghbor may be dry and I may have a nice 200 foot deep well that keeps me flush with drinking and bathing water. He's got a "demand" and I've got a "supply." Whether or not I let him hook up to my well (assuming that we all believe in the sanctity of private property) is my decision.

There are good macroeconomics reasons for the reunification of the Koreas. But I doubt that the folks in Seoul are going to tear down the fence and holler "Come on down!"

These are political decisions. What we have done through inumerable decisions and acts of ommision is to invite chaos.

Millions of Americans file 1040s, not because they are such good citizens, but because they fear being fined and sent to prison by the IRS. The tax people have their regulations and they enforce them. This policy of enforcement is a political decision. We also have immigration and labor laws, but we don't do shit about them. That too is a political decision.

If we put significant number of delinquent employers in jail tomorrow, this problem would largely solve itself.

A close friend of mind hires a lot of labor in a service industry. He checks and verifies each job applicant. ICE has a hotline now where visa status and SS numbers can be checked. He turns a lot of applicants down.

If you love your country, it's time to turn in all employers who support and profit from illegal immigration.

Do you believe that we should demand that employers obey current hiring laws or not?

Hell no. The government has no right to tell me who we can hire or not hire and at what wage. Little pieces of government stamped laminated plastic and paper mean nothing to me. But go on- you help out them government bosses boy- they need all the help they can get.

Does that mean you'd hire an illegal Mexican for lets say $2 dollars a day for manual labor, if he agreed?

Nope. None. The "passport" itself was another wonderful invention of the state that didn't exist until World War One. I am not owned by anybody and my "rights" don't come from the state. I don't believe in fictions- and being an "American" is a fiction that has virtually no meaning. A human's worth has nothing to do with which group of criminal gangs that calls itself a "government" owns him by calling him a "citizen".

I suffer the states existence as a reality- but I am certainly not going to turn in some employer because of his private decision to hire whom he wants at the wage they agree to- as it is his business and no one elses. Don't like it? Don't buy from him- go pay the "native" more for his goods and services.

i would go back further than that. i would say if we didn't have a welfare state, including corporate, we'd never have had the problem to begin with.

He's got a "demand" and I've got a "supply." Whether or not I let him hook up to my well (assuming that we all believe in the sanctity of private property) is my decision.

this is as it should be if we in fact still had private property rights. we've got a master government which owns us and our property rather than the servant one the Founders intended.

Nevertheless, the problem that we had "to begin with" is the problem that we have now, and burning the question at this point is: What in the hell are we going to do about it?

If we continue to allow employers to flagrantly break federal law in a fashion that would put most of the rest of us in the poor house or in jail, we might as well surrender. Give up our nation. Surrender our sovereignty.

Absolutely. I hoisted the black flag years ago. So much for my avatar. What a freaking html illiterate I am.

1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County ).

Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration.

The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was, (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay), a NET $70 BILLION/ year, [Professor Don ald Huddle, Rice University ]. The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE number.

If they can come to this country to raise Hell and demonstrate by the thousands, WHY can't they take charge over the corruption in their own country?

On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even though most lived in this country. They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags were held upside down. As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon. Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players before and after the match. The coach of the U.S. team, Steve Sampson said, "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in this profession."

Did you know that immigrants from Mexico and other non-European countries can come to this country and get preferences in jobs, education, and government contracts. It's called affirmative action or racial privilege. The Emperor of Japan or the President of Mexico could migrate here and immediately be eligible for special rights unavailable for Americans of European descent.

Corporate America has signed on to the idea that minorities and third world immigrants should get special, privileged status. Some examples are Exxon, Texaco, Merrill Lynch, Boeing, Paine Weber, Starbucks and many more.

I remember hearing about the immigrants that came through Ellis Island . They wanted to learn English. They wanted to breathe free. They wanted to become Americans. Now, far too many immigrants come here with demands. They demand to be taught in their own language. They demand special privileges ... affirmative action. They demand ethnic studies that glorify their culture.

Thanks for the stats, Jim. They're in line with all I've read. LA has successfully been annexed to Mexico, to the delight of many. As I said earlier, the illegal alien debate has been won. Only a hand full of elites and their willing dupes seem delighted the North American Union is being shoved down our throats.

As to your question, we can send them home anytime we like, but that would interfere with the creation of the North American Union, a concept some traitorous leaches (posing as free men and women) want and desire.

Now is there a way to get rid of the 400 x 500 44kb thing at the bottom or is that just the way image shack does things?

Burke, while i understand your sentiment, and agree with it ideologically, i think it's a utopian ideal and not at all workable in today's world.

Center for Immigration Studies, Aug. 2004

WASHINGTON (August 25, 2004)—A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies is one of the first to estimate the impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Based on Census Bureau data, the study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also likely to be significant. The study also finds that if illegals were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow to nearly $29 billion.

* Illegal alien households are estimated to use $2,700 a year more in services than they pay in taxes, creating a total fiscal burden of nearly $10.4 billion on the federal budget in 2002.

* Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

* If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual fiscal deficit at the federal level would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total federal deficit of $29 billion.

* With nearly two-third of illegals lacking a high school diploma, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments—not their legal status or their unwillingness to work.

* Amnesty increases costs because illegals would still be largely unskilled, and thus their tax payments would continue to be very modest, but once legalized they would be able to access many more government services.

* The fact that legal immigrants with little schooling are a fiscal drain on federal coffers does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a drain. Many legal immigrants are highly skilled.

* Because many of the costs are due to their U.S.-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth, barring illegals themselves from federal programs will not significantly reduce costs.

* Although they create a net drain on the federal government, the average illegal household pays more than $4,200 a year in federal taxes, for a total of nearly $16 billion.

* However, they impose annual costs of more than $26.3 billion, or about $6,950 per illegal household.

* About 43 percent, or $7 billion, of the federal taxes illegals pay go to Social Security and Medicare.

* Employers do not see the costs associated with less-educated immigrant workers because the costs are spread out among all taxpayers.

Why Legalization Is So Costly. Costs rise unavoidably because amnesty will not change the low education levels of illegal aliens or the fact that the American economy offers such workers very limited opportunities, regardless of legal status. The vast majority of illegal aliens will continue to have very low incomes, and make very modest tax payments. However, legal status would allow them to use many more programs. We know that cost would rise dramatically because legal immigrants with the same levels of education make extensive use of public services. Thus, even though we estimate that average tax payments would rise by 77 percent, we also find that costs would rise 117 percent. To understand why this happens it is helpful to consider a program like the Earned Income Tax Credit, which pays cash to low-income workers. Illegals currently account for only 1.5 percent of the program’s total costs, but if they were legalized their use of the program would grow tenfold because with legal status they would no longer need stolen or bogus Social Security numbers to get the credit. This dramatic rise in cost is not due to laziness on the part of immigrants. In fact, only those who work receive the EITC. The dramatic rise in costs simply reflects the low educational attainment of illegals and their resulting low incomes.

If Illegals Stay, So Will the Costs. To the extent that policy makers have considered the fiscal costs of illegal immigration, they have generally tried to reduce the costs while allowing illegals to remain. But this strategy has not been effective because the average illegal already receives less than half as much in services from the federal government as do other households. Moreover, many of the costs are due to their U.S.-born children, who are awarded American citizenship at birth under current law. Other programs are simply too politically sensitive to cut, such as the Women, Infants and Children nutrition program. And others costs are unavoidable, such as incarcerating illegals who have been convicted of crimes. Conversely, enforcing immigration laws is both popular with voters and administratively more feasible. There are really only two options: either we begin to enforce the law, significantly reducing the number of illegals in the country, or we accept the costs created by the presence of a large pool of unskilled workers.

Results Similar to Other Studies. A 1997 report by the National Research Council (NRC) on the fiscal impact of immigrants concluded that education levels and resulting income is the primary determinant of tax payments and service use, which is also a central finding of this report. The results of this study closely match the findings of a 1998 Urban Institute study. Our estimated average tax payment for illegal households in New York State are almost identical to that of the Urban Institute, when adjusted for inflation. The results of this study are also buttressed by an analysis of illegal alien tax returns done by the Inspector General’s Office of the Department of Treasury in 2004, which found that about half had no federal income tax liability, very similar to our findings of 45 percent.

Comments

As a new school year starts, many teachers are paying for school supplies out of their own pocket for the poor unfortunate children. I wonder how much this adds to the cost of financing the colored onslaught.

Posted by Drew at 4:13 AM on August 26

Drew:

You57;ve got that right. I am such an embattled teacher, using my money to fund students who cannot and will not learn. If I don57;t, my classroom will appear unsatisfactory and my future employment could be affected. The joys of diversity, huh?

Posted by Teutonicus at 10:28 AM on August 26

The facts and figures of this study are telling. And won57;t go away, despite all the bemoanings of pro-immigrant factions, including our Arizona Governor, Janet Napolitano, who maintains that illegal Mexican immigrants are not a drain on Arizona57;s economy. But the fact is illegals in our state are costing taxpayers $1.3 Billion per year52; so far. Why would Napolitano say such a thing? Simple: She57;s trying to save face with Mexico. Napolitano recently paid a visit to President Fox, acting ex officio, as ambassador without portfolio, telling Fox Arizona would be a willing host for a guest worker program, this contrary to and against the wishes and interests of the vast majority of Arizona citizens. But, what the heck, political ambition nowadays always trumps any petty concerns for things like the general welfare of the citizenry.

Posted by David at 10:55 AM on August 26

To Drew and Teutonicus:

In the future, we will have our own schools. Once we get enough people mad enough and motivated to act, our property taxes will be used to support our people. Let the others build and maintain what they consider to be schools.

A nice feature about this site, is the ease with which you can forward any article. We have the truth on our side. I try and send them to friends (not familiar with this site), the young folks (even those in the politicial offices). Most are very receptive.

Beleive me, if enough of us get mad enough, we can do anything.

Posted by Tim2 at 3:19 PM on August 26

The analysts almost always fail to consider the costs of affirmative action and race preferences because the cost can57;t be measured. For example, how can you calculate the cost of hiring an uneducated worker instead of an educated worker? The cost of lending to a high risk borrower at the same interest rate as a low risk white borrower? 70; the cost of poor service from unqualified workers? 70; the cost of patients spending extra time spent trying to find a white or Asian doctor? So many people don57;t see these costs.

Posted by 45degreesnorth at 11:52 PM on August 26

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Take up your local state federal taxes with those stealing from you, not me and whom I chose to hire. It is none of your business. Under that argument anything I do is "your business". I am so sick of statist apologists and liberty haters.

May not be political for the majority.. blame that on NAFTA and the CFR and the whores in DC.. but those who ARE politically motivated in this fiasco are organized and well funded both by tax dollars and taxfree foundations.. of course that means your tax dollars too.. so we're paying for our own demise.

I don't give a crap about utopian ideals or mass movements or giant macroeconomic trends and how they are said to effect this or that group of people. I am not 300 hundred million people. I am me- and I deal in the only world that matters and that is real- the one around me. And in this world I deal with people- not abstractions- not formless propaganda masses of people some kook ideologues want me to deal with (or more accurately not deal with).

And in my world I don't know any, not one, "Islamofascist", "Aztland radical Mexican", "Communist", or some other ridiculous boogeyman some mass movement of thugs wants me to be afraid of or hate or blame so they can control the criminal mechanism of the state for their various "utopian ideals" or to return to some mythical lie of a "golden age" or "Preserve a way of life" they can't even define.

I have no doubt that the current levels of migration are being engineered by the current criminal gangs controlling DC. They are doing so because they can do it and they have the power to do it. But instead of questioning that concentration of power that has produced the current economic conditions that has caused this migration you want me to give this same government the power to throw people in prison for hiring whom they chose and to make everyone get some sort of ID card? Give them the power to further control the economy and our lives? I don't get that type of thinking. It is the thinking of fear and cowardice.

NO, my beef is with the creation of a North American Union, a plan sponsored by the elites at the CFR. The Mexican sperm some here might hire are in this nation by design.

The desire to have illegals with ID cards will boomerang upon the rest of the population. We'll all end up having one, in addition to our driver's licenses and passports.

Whatever the current expenses incurred by society due to the illegals, one of the main reasons, IMO, is it have their contributions into SocialSecurity in the future.

Those you choose to hire are welfare sponges. Look to lodwicks #25 in this thread for the breakdown on costs. Tell me, Mr. Freedom, what happens when you hire Jose and he breaks his leg on your project? Who gets to pick up his hospital bill? And his follow up therapy, and the food stamps, and the rent, you get the idea...

We naturally have disagreements on the issue aesthetically speaking, but what I find is that the activists want to 'build a wall', 'make English an official language', 'force assimilation'...and they get all excited about these policy fixes. Not one of the public faces for the movement has the balls to do what Europe already has on the books, repatriation programs (if underfunded.) That is the ugliness of their words is only a simple mask for the limpness of their response. Look at Tancredo; How radical is this guy? He wants to make English an official language like this is a Third World country; he wants to 'enforce' assimilation. This is the Great White Hope? A guy who wants to enforce assimilation? Can anyone not see the problem here?

I’m not sure. He refuses to discuss the impact open borders will have on America's culture and economy, not to mention the coming North American Union. The facts are in, so actually his opinion is like a bellybutton. We all have one. He prefers to live in a utopian sphere; it’s all about him.

Not true. Burkeman1 thinks it will lead to the eventual break-up of the Union. He is the least Utopian here, and one of the purest reactionaries. As to the North American Union stuff from Israeli-Firster Jerome Corsi, you folks need to check your sources and figure out when you are being distracted. Yes, of course, the CFR One Worlders are a threat, Islam is a threat, but how they rank as a threat in your mind is in the hands of the Conditioners.

Look at Lodwick's #25 and please tell me the benefits of our open Southern border.