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Published: Nov 27, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-11-27 19:09:11 by Jethro Tull
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#78. To: JohnGalt (#77)
The truth being our nation is being invaded from our South and to a far lesser degree to our North. With it comes a horde of uneducated Mexicans, and other than Mexicans, who have swollen our social services to the point of breaking. They come in advance of the creation of the North American Union. Despite me telling you this numerous times, you seem to be stuck on assimilation and English as our native tongue. Please don’t misunderstand me; I don’t want them to learn English or to assimilate. I don’t want them here ILLEGALLY. The kid in the vid did what I expect our border security to do – round their asses up and deposit them to the doorstep of the INS.
See, we agree on many things but have a tactical disagreement on approach. When you post a video of a similiar citizen making a citizen's arrest of an INS agent for derilection of duty, I will cheer bravo.
You are absolutely right on how these peripheral issues have been energized with the conivance, of course, of the mainstream. Nothing, for example, will provide fodder for endless wedge issues than an Official English. One need only look at Canada to see where that goes. I believe that we meed a "Minuteman" force to keep employers honest. That is the most important tool. It is the key issue in fact. Something must be done soon before the issue is legislated away in a flood of amnesty bills. This is our last chance and we must raise hell with the new Congress, or all will be lost in a few short months.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
it's really much simpler than that, imo. #1 we need to stop the incentives/welfare encouraging them to come. #2 if we had a government whose first interests were truly that of america and americans, then every troop who is now in iraq and in 140+ countries around the world at the behest of globalist elites, would instead be on our borders guarding and protecting them. at this point, i think we must be isolationists and protectionists, else this nation will be destroyed.
and i do not have a problem with immigration. i have no problem with someone coming here to try and make a better life for themselves. they just need to start on a level playing field like the rest of us. none of us is given governmental gifts. i'm italian and my sicilian ancestors weren't given a thing when they came here. they did it on their own.
common sense bump
It’s amusing watching us all try to develop some unique solution to the invasion of our nation. Any of the suggestions made would begin to yield results immediately, but keep in mind they’ll never be implemented. The elite are achieving their desired result; the integration of Mexico, Canada and the US. Is there anyone who disagrees with this? More importantly, is there anyone who welcomes it?
Sicilians and Italians tended to settle on the East Coast in already crowded cities. They brought with them Old World baggage and a tradition of corrupt big government habits. It was the Old line blue bloods of Boston, with Cal Coolidge as President and Henry Cabot Lodge in Congress who pushed through the immigration pause that began in the 20s through 1965. I also, looking at history, don't think Nordic immigration that settled in the Midwest worked out so great. Prussians brought with them a love of Union that was foreign and a tradition of bureaucracy and officialdom that again was also foreign to a land of Celts, Anglos, and Danes who had made something out of nothing and fought a war for the right of self-rule. If the issue was 12 million low class Irish being naturalized, I would still be against the idea as its simply never a good idea, but it seems it's a done deal, so I certainly understand the converse which is being against big government solutions that don't even begin to address the core questions.
It's a good question. One can sort of cop out and argue the obvious its a done deal so lets start addressing what it means to us, which includes the secessionist goals of patriots and to what degree do we give up our humanity getting angry at the pawns in a game bigger than us.
yep
No, and No. And at least 90% of Americans agree.
I don't think that the idea is to create a unique solution. I mean this is no brainstorming session in an English class. This stuff is for real, for keeps. There are three keys to this thing as I see it: 1) the border, 2) employers, 3) the system of benefits immigrants avail themselves of. If you can enlarge that list, please feel free to do so. Be mindful that you need to look where action has the most immediate effect. 1) The border. This is one area where uncontrolled immigration and the forces that promote it are most vulnerable. To make it short and sweet, this is also one area where we get LSO - lip service only from our govenrment. I don't have to quote you chapter and verse on this one. 3) Government benefits. Illegals to some extent use welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, unremunerated medical services, and get free public schooling and even tuition benefits at community colleges. It's important to remember that while the overall numbers are increasing that most of the immigrant coming here illegally are single men looking to to make a buck and trying stay below the radar. Most of them stay a year or two and return home with their savings. True some stay and have babies, and a few come with their families and the latter group probably burdens the system the most. However, it is also important to recognize that this is a system run by bureaucrats and Marxistas and they will not help us one bit. They have a burgeoning clientel and you can fight them tooth and nail for years and you will always outdone by their political operatives who are old hands at this game. 2) Employers. This is a most vulnerable group, and they do get cited and prosecuted for hiring illegal aliens. Employment is the real draw. It is the big magnet that drives immigration - legal and illegal. I think that you can make a strong case that this is in fact the Achilles' heel of the invasion. A lot of folks are in clear violation of the law, daily putting all their assets at risk. We have to put a big spotlight on people that hire labor illegally before the whole system is legitimized by accomodationists like the Big Decider in the White house. I welcome your critique of my opinions here. This is just how I see it.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
Your solutions would all stop the invasion cold had we a government that was responsive to the people. The problem is that they aren't, and what we're seeing on a daily basis is by design. I need to keep myself centered on the creation of the NAU for any of this to make sense. I remain amazed at people who are unfazed by what’s unfolding.
And what concerns you about the NAU that would be quantitatively worse than the political structure we have now? Or is yours just an irrational reactionary position? What will be worse under the NAU? You should explain the infringements on your rights you expect from a future action, before you ask others to take limited resources they are using to fight current infringements and dedicate them to your cause.
In other words be a snitch. No thanks. That's not how respectable people did things in my old neighborhood.
If ifs and buts were candied nuts. Just the absurdity of the proposition that a government can serve the "interests" of 300 million people boggles my mind. City councils in BFE can't even serve the "interests". Government is force and someone is going to be forced to serve someone else. It's inherent to the system. There is no reforming it. It must be abolished.
Besides the obvious death of our nation and culture, Americans will face an even greater tax burden as 3rd world scum cross over into our welfare state. Please note I didn’t say Mexican 3rd worlders; the new borderless NAU would have no way of recognizing the homeland of this flow of refugees. I’d expect to see the worlds most impoverished people flooding into our country bringing their culture, language, diseases and crime. No thanks.
Welcome to the new neighborhood.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
So I should direct energy to fighting future higher taxes instead of the almost 54% I already pay to all levels of government? How much effing higher can they go? This is why I part ways with your cause. It seems you've already given up on the last fight and moved on to the next one which only advances the other side. If all the people who are worried about the detrimental effects on the welfare, educational and healthcare systems by immigrants (and polls show it's quite a few) directed their efforts at getting rid of welfare, shitty government schools and hospital handouts, we wouldn't have the problem in the first place. But you seem to just be conceding defeat, giving up the old ground and moving on to the next battle. And then what? They'll get their NAU and you'll give up and move to the next fight. Always playing defense. That's how they want you.
Nah, I'll stick with the old one. You go tattle to Big Brother, I still remember where I come from. And I still remember who the enemy is. Hint: it's the guys with guns taking half your paycheck not the guy who hires someone in a voluntary transaction.
Yes, and you'll never live it down, will you? You have my sympathies.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
My issue is not really illegals per se, but the legals via the absurd refugee system who settle here cause of the bennies. You start talking about the Wall, and I hear sell-out and fear of being called a racist by our eternal enemy the Left, and retreat to "if they come here legally to work that is fine." I don't care for the cat eaters, the clitordectomists, etc etc and when I see these sorts of folks in suped up cars that must run 30K, I can damn angry...but our enemies figured out that its pretty easy to pay the Matt Hales or the Fred Phelps to turn up as reinforcements and insure no political solution. Hence, tactically speaking, not appealing to hate, but aggressively appealing to culture must be the theme of attack.
Sorry, I don’t know the tax ramifications you’ll experience after America is morphed into a CFR sponsored trading zone, but the influx of human welfare sponges that will follow won’t decrease them. Any plan sponsored by an unelected elite, supported by Bush and Fox in secret, should be viewed with a great deal of skepticism. But that’s me.
Appealing to culture is not a plan of attack. That sounds like high-brow journalism. And it is readily coopted by the Whiner/Savages ("Borders, Language, Culture") for other purposes.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
Geeese. I believe you're putting
words in my mouth AND assuming something that I didnt mean whatsoever.. LEGAL
aliens.. have to take a health exam.. period.. illegals DO NOT.. have you done
any research whatsoever on this?? There IS a reason we have a CDC and a reason
aliens do have to have a health okay to come into this country.. it's to
protect the health of the citizens in this country. GEEESE is right..
is it not possible to have a government for, by, and of the people? a servant government? did we ever? if this thing we have now is abolished, what do we replace it with?
Texas, perhaps. What do you think?
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
as in secession? if only....
No. But I think you already knew that. did we ever? No, and you knew that too, or you wouldn't have asked. if this thing we have now is abolished, what do we replace it with? Nothing. You'll go about you're daily business, peaceably interacting others, just like 99% of people do everyday, responsible for yourself without the largest criminal gang known to man (government) stealing half of everything you labor for. No, it wouldn't be utopia, but if man is so bad it needs to be governed, then the last thing you want to put in place is a government made up of men. And the men attracted to governing are naturally the worst class of them all.
Ah....a society based on the values of community and mutual aid; direct democracy; non-hierarchical organization; the absense of class division; the absense of divisions based on race, gender and nation; and the absense of institutionalized authority figures.... Do you think the MS-13 will buy into the concept?
I like helping those in my community, don't you? direct democracy Democracy? No thanks, we have enough of that already. Two wolves and a sheep...you know the rest. non-hierarchical organization; the absense of class division; the absense of divisions based on race, gender and nation; and the absense of institutionalized authority figures.... That would be communism, not my gig. But if people want to voluntarily join communes, be my guest, as long as they keep it to themselves. Do you think the MS-13 will buy into the concept? Here we go, the MS-13 boogeyman. And how many times have you or anyone you know been victimized by this MS-13? They are as nebulous an enemy to the anti-immigration advocates as Al Qaeda is to the wingnuts. Regardless though, how much of their income is a result of the drug war?
Boogeyman...hehehehehe....right, they aren't a multinational, criminal organization. It's just the conspiratorial me.... OK, let’s bag the MS-13 since you say they don’t exist. Feel free to plug in any other group of thugs that inhabit this planet. How about Skinheads? Perhaps the KKK? How about our military? Surly they’ll see the virtues of your philosophy and drop their weapons (g) What, besides your utopian pipe dream, gives you even the slightest glimmer of hope that this (and all other governments) will agree to disband. Is there a moment in history you can point to where this has happened and succeeded? Now, back to reality and the purpose of this thread. Since neither you nor I know what an NAU will bring, maybe its implementation isn’t such a good idea. Right? I’d be willing to take book on what changes will come. Goodbye guns, hello censorship. After all isn’t that the way of Canada and Mexico, our soon to be new majority partners? Unless of course you think our merger would give these former nations a taste of our 1st and 2nd amendment, however restricted they are. Perhaps even an exchange like we’re having on this forum will be illegal. There might come a day even you will miss the small freedoms we retain today, but then again...
outstanding. nothing like a little dose of reality.
Isn't that the truth.
I didn't say they didn't exist. I stated they are insignificant in my life and the daily life of 299,990,000 out of the 300 million Americans. That's certainly not so in the case of the government. It amazes me to watch you tilt at windmills that have less chance of hurting you than lightning while you skim over the elephant in the room that takes half your income in taxes at gunpoint. Over and over you babble about how the government has failed to do its job, yet who are you begging to fix the problem? Government. A case of battered wife syndrom if there ever was one. How about Skinheads? Perhaps the KKK? How about our military? Surly they’ll see the virtues of your philosophy and drop their weapons (g) I would hope the military goes home when they're told they aren't getting their next paycheck. As for the other groups,why should I care if they do, I'm not dropping mine. They are far less dangerous to you or I than any government agency. There isn't any body-armored, M4 carbine wielding skin-heads with a battering ram to kick in my door and seize my assets when I don't send in my yearly tribute by April 15. What, besides your utopian pipe dream, gives you even the slightest glimmer of hope that this (and all other governments) will agree to disband. They will never disband. We just need enough people to stop listening to them. And I'm not claiming utopia. All I'm advocating is getting rid of the largest criminal gang we have. I'm sure there'll still be the little ones. Is there a moment in history you can point to where this has happened and succeeded? Sure. Millions of Americans lived and died over our history without coming into contact with a government agent their entire life. It's almost impossible to imagine the growth of government over the last 80 years compared to the first several hundred on this continent. Goodbye guns, hello censorship. That's exactly what we need the government to try to do. No more chipping away at freedom, decade after decade where people get a little riled up, settle back down and go ho-hum. I want to see door to door confiscations, detention camps for dissenters and the like. We'll find out right then and there if there's any spirit left or whether we should just throw in the towel. But with this death by a thousands cuts shit, we'll never find out.
I second that. I want to get this over with now. I don't want to leave it to my kid to deal with.
#79. To: Jethro Tull (#78)
#80. To: JohnGalt (#76)
#81. To: JohnGalt (#77)
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#82. To: JohnGalt (#79)
#83. To: christine (#81)
#1 we need to stop the incentives/welfare encouraging them to come. #2 if we had a government whose first interests were truly that of america and americans, then every troop who is now in iraq and in 140+ countries around the world at the behest of globalist elites, would instead be on our borders guarding and protecting them. at this point, i think we must be isolationists and protectionists, else this nation will be destroyed.
-Thomas Paine
#84. To: all (#81)
#85. To: christine (#82)
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#86. To: Jethro Tull (#84)
#87. To: JohnGalt (#85)
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#88. To: Jethro Tull (#84)
Is there anyone who disagrees with this? More importantly, is there anyone who welcomes it?
-Thomas Paine
#89. To: Jethro Tull, JohnGalt, All (#84)
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#90. To: randge, lodwick, christine, all (#89)
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critique
#91. To: Jethro Tull (#40)
NO, my beef is with the creation of a North American Union, a plan sponsored by the elites at the CFR.
#92. To: randge (#89)
We have to put a big spotlight on people that hire labor illegally ...
#93. To: christine (#81)
#2 if we had a government whose first interests were truly that of america and americans...
#94. To: SmokinOPs (#91)
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And what concerns you about the NAU that would be quantitatively worse than the political structure we have now?
#95. To: SmokinOPs (#92)
#96. To: Jethro Tull (#94)
Americans will face an even greater tax burden as 3rd world scum cross over into our welfare state
#97. To: randge (#95)
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Welcome to the new neighborhood.
#98. To: SmokinOPs (#97)
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I still remember where I come from.
#99. To: randge (#89)
#100. To: SmokinOPs (#96)
How much effing higher can they go?
#101. To: JohnGalt (#99)
aggressively appealing to culture must be the theme of attack.
#102. To: Burkeman1 (#75)
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Yeah- the dirty scummy mexicans and their diseases. Are you for
real? Don't eat in restaraunts then. In fact, maybe you can scoot over to El
Pee and ask to hide under their beds while they cower in fear of non existent
Islamofascists.
#103. To: SmokinOPs (#93)
#104. To: christine (#103)
#105. To: randge (#104)
#106. To: christine (#103)
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is it not possible to have a government for, by, and of the people?
#107. To: SmokinOPs (#106)
#108. To: Jethro Tull (#107)
community and mutual aid
#109. To: SmokinOPs (#108)
Here we go, the MS-13 boogeyman. And how many times have you or anyone you know been victimized by this MS-13?
#110. To: Jethro Tull (#109)
#111. To: SmokinOPs (#106)
No, it wouldn't be utopia, but if man is so bad it needs to be governed, then the last thing you want to put in place is a government made up of men. And the men attracted to governing are naturally the worst class of them all.
-Thomas Paine
#112. To: Jethro Tull (#109)
OK, let’s bag the MS-13 since you say they don’t exist.
#113. To: SmokinOPs (#112)
No more chipping away at freedom, decade after decade where people get a little riled up, settle back down and go ho-hum. I want to see door to door confiscations, detention camps for dissenters and the like. We'll find out right then and there if there's any spirit left or whether we should just throw in the towel. But with this death by a thousands cuts shit, we'll never find out.
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#114. To: SmokinOPs (#112)
And this has what to do with illegal immigration and the creation of a North American Union?
#115. To: Jethro Tull (#114)
Nothin' Jus' blowin' smoke on a Winsday night.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
#116. To: randge (#115)
Seriously. And BTW, if paying 54% of his income in taxes is such a thorn in his side, just say no to the IRS, local and state governments. IIRC, 47 million other Americans have done the same.
#117. To: Jethro Tull (#114)
I asked you how the NAU was going to be worse than it is now. You said it would lead to taking away guns and censorship. I said bring it. Got it? Good.
And this has what to do with illegal immigration and the creation of a North American Union?
#118. To: SmokinOPs (#117)
Hell, why wait for the inevitable? Go get ‘em now, Mr. 54% tax compliant.
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