Center for Immigration Studies, Aug. 2004
See other Immigration Articles
Title: How to harass Illegal Aliens - Funny Vid
Source:
[None]
URL Source: http://www.halturnershow.com/HowToHarassIllegalAliens.wmv
Published: Nov 27, 2006
Author: unknown
Post Date: 2006-11-27 19:09:11 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 2242
Comments: 143
http://www.halturnershow.com/HowToHarassIllegalAliens.wmv
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
That's funny as hell...thanks, JT!
hilarious, isn't it? (g)
No. It wasn't. I feel sorry for that little evil college kid. I doubt he has worked a full day in his life or gone a day in his life with a hunger pang. Nevermind your views on illegal immigration- people don't normally leave their native lands unless they have too for friggin simple survival. It isn't funny- at all. Those guys are lucky to work 3 or 4 days a week for shit and that little stunt cost them food in their bellies. Some dipshit middle class faggot fratboy "fucking" with them hardly does anyone who takes an anti illegal immigrant stance any good at all. It plays right into the hands of open border advocates- not to mention it is just wrong.
Horseshit. What isn’t funny is you, and people like you, who stand by and willingly buy into a CFR driven scheme to Build a North American Community (google it if you’re clueless). These invaders aren’t here to do the work Americans won’t do, they’re here to re-occupy portions of the SW (in this case California) in an effort to claim it as their own. I consider them 3rd world shock troops, pushed forward by a corrupt government and accepted by the woefully naive.
The Aztec Al-Qaeda (eye opening)
Thank you for that. When the SHTF, some folks may have a special box saved away just for these racist bastards and their politicowhore backer.
Let their OWN WORDS convict them of their intent.
Give me a break. This Aztecca/Atzlan nonesense is simpley absurd. Ask your typical Mexican if they have even heard of these movements and they would look at you like you with a blank stare of ignorance. To assert that Mexicans are coming here as part of some plot to eventually take over the Southwest is just beyond moronic. That isn't to say that such nationalistic sentiment couldn't eventually arise among a large grouped population of Mexicans in the Southwest. It would be equally absurd to deny that very possible outcome. But the motive behind Mexicans coming here isn't political in the slightest.
I'm sure that you are right about that. The Mexicans jumping up into the bed of the gringo's truck don't give a shit about politics. They want eat and some cash in their pockets. Nevertheless, while the motive behind Mexicans coming here may not be political in the slightest, our SINS OF OMISSION in letting them flood over here is VERY political, and we have recently seen how effectively these people can be mobilized. Don't kid youself, my friend. Things soon will get hot. VERY HOT.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
One can make a damn good argument that the macro economics that have produced this wave of migrants is deliberate and part of a larger political re- ordering. I have no problem with such an analysis.
A lot of us have a problem though with the "macroeconomics." Supply and demand seems to demand a lot of things. My nieghbor may be dry and I may have a nice 200 foot deep well that keeps me flush with drinking and bathing water. He's got a "demand" and I've got a "supply." Whether or not I let him hook up to my well (assuming that we all believe in the sanctity of private property) is my decision. There are good macroeconomics reasons for the reunification of the Koreas. But I doubt that the folks in Seoul are going to tear down the fence and holler "Come on down!" These are political decisions. What we have done through inumerable decisions and acts of ommision is to invite chaos. Millions of Americans file 1040s, not because they are such good citizens, but because they fear being fined and sent to prison by the IRS. The tax people have their regulations and they enforce them. This policy of enforcement is a political decision. We also have immigration and labor laws, but we don't do shit about them. That too is a political decision. If we put significant number of delinquent employers in jail tomorrow, this problem would largely solve itself. No jobs - no migrants. It's just that simple. A close friend of mind hires a lot of labor in a service industry. He checks and verifies each job applicant. ICE has a hotline now where visa status and SS numbers can be checked. He turns a lot of applicants down. There is absolutely no excuse to perpetuate the situation that we are now in. If you love your country, it's time to turn in all employers who support and profit from illegal immigration.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
"Yeah, them bosses need all the help they can get." No thanks.
That was a somewhat equivocal response. Do you believe that we should demand that employers obey current hiring laws or not?
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
Hell no. The government has no right to tell me who we can hire or not hire and at what wage. Little pieces of government stamped laminated plastic and paper mean nothing to me. But go on- you help out them government bosses boy- they need all the help they can get.
Ah, I now have your number sir. I am sorry to say that we are enemies.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
Yeah= my number is that I am not now- nor ever will be a government snitch.
is there no distinction in your mind between legals and illegals?
Does that mean you'd hire an illegal Mexican for lets say $2 dollars a day for manual labor, if he agreed?
Nope. None. The "passport" itself was another wonderful invention of the state that didn't exist until World War One. I am not owned by anybody and my "rights" don't come from the state. I don't believe in fictions- and being an "American" is a fiction that has virtually no meaning. A human's worth has nothing to do with which group of criminal gangs that calls itself a "government" owns him by calling him a "citizen". I suffer the states existence as a reality- but I am certainly not going to turn in some employer because of his private decision to hire whom he wants at the wage they agree to- as it is his business and no one elses. Don't like it? Don't buy from him- go pay the "native" more for his goods and services. Leave the rest of us alone in our liberty.
My wage agreements with whom I choose to hire are none of your business.
i would go back further than that. i would say if we didn't have a welfare state, including corporate, we'd never have had the problem to begin with. He's got a "demand" and I've got a "supply." Whether or not I let him hook up to my well (assuming that we all believe in the sanctity of private property) is my decision. this is as it should be if we in fact still had private property rights. we've got a master government which owns us and our property rather than the servant one the Founders intended.
You are right on both counts, of course. Nevertheless, the problem that we had "to begin with" is the problem that we have now, and burning the question at this point is: What in the hell are we going to do about it? If we continue to allow employers to flagrantly break federal law in a fashion that would put most of the rest of us in the poor house or in jail, we might as well surrender. Give up our nation. Surrender our sovereignty.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
I suffer the states existence as a reality... Absolutely. I hoisted the black flag years ago. So much for my avatar. What a freaking html illiterate I am.
[URL=http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anarchismanarchistwmnlguo0.jpg
From the L.A. Times 1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card. 2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. 3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens. 4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers. 5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages. 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border. 8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal. 9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking. 10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County ). (All the above from the L.A.Times) Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was, (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay), a NET $70 BILLION/ year, [Professor Don ald Huddle, Rice University ]. The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE number. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens. If they can come to this country to raise Hell and demonstrate by the thousands, WHY can't they take charge over the corruption in their own country? We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue. THE U.S. VS MEXICO On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even though most lived in this country. They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags were held upside down. As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon. Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players before and after the match. The coach of the U.S. team, Steve Sampson said, "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in this profession." Did you know that immigrants from Mexico and other non-European countries can come to this country and get preferences in jobs, education, and government contracts. It's called affirmative action or racial privilege. The Emperor of Japan or the President of Mexico could migrate here and immediately be eligible for special rights unavailable for Americans of European descent. Corporate America has signed on to the idea that minorities and third world immigrants should get special, privileged status. Some examples are Exxon, Texaco, Merrill Lynch, Boeing, Paine Weber, Starbucks and many more. WHEN I WAS YOUNG I remember hearing about the immigrants that came through Ellis Island . They wanted to learn English. They wanted to breathe free. They wanted to become Americans. Now, far too many immigrants come here with demands. They demand to be taught in their own language. They demand special privileges ... affirmative action. They demand ethnic studies that glorify their culture. NOW ... WHY CAN'T WE JUST SEND THEM HOME ??? ++++++++++++++++++++++++ I can't verify any of this, but I do not doubt its veracity. We have a problem, Houston...
Wrong. It is our business. The cost of illegal hires affects our local, state and federal taxes. Comprendo?
to do an image here do this: < img src = the url for the image here > without the spaces.
oh, you did it!
Thanks for the stats, Jim. They're in line with all I've read. LA has
successfully been annexed to Mexico, to the delight of many. As I said
earlier, the illegal alien debate has been won. Only a hand full of elites and
their willing dupes seem delighted the North American Union is being shoved
down our throats. As to your question, we can send them home anytime we
like, but that would interfere with the creation of the North American Union,
a concept some traitorous leaches (posing as free men and women) want and
desire.
Now is there a way to get rid of the 400 x 500 44kb thing at the bottom or is that just the way image shack does things?
i agree with you, randge. Burke, while i understand your sentiment, and agree with it ideologically, i think it's a utopian ideal and not at all workable in today's world.
Fade to Brown (May 2003) Waging War on America (Jun. 1998) Halting the Flow (Aug. 1995) WASHINGTON (August 25, 2004)—A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies is one of the first to estimate the impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Based on Census Bureau data, the study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also likely to be significant. The study also finds that if illegals were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow to nearly $29 billion. The study, entitled The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget, is on line at http://www.cis.org/articles/ 2004/fiscal.html . Among the findings: * Illegal alien households are estimated to use $2,700 a year more in services than they pay in taxes, creating a total fiscal burden of nearly $10.4 billion on the federal budget in 2002. * Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion). * If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual fiscal deficit at the federal level would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total federal deficit of $29 billion. * With nearly two-third of illegals lacking a high school diploma, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments—not their legal status or their unwillingness to work. * Amnesty increases costs because illegals would still be largely unskilled, and thus their tax payments would continue to be very modest, but once legalized they would be able to access many more government services. * The fact that legal immigrants with little schooling are a fiscal drain on federal coffers does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a drain. Many legal immigrants are highly skilled. * Because many of the costs are due to their U.S.-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth, barring illegals themselves from federal programs will not significantly reduce costs. * Although they create a net drain on the federal government, the average illegal household pays more than $4,200 a year in federal taxes, for a total of nearly $16 billion. * However, they impose annual costs of more than $26.3 billion, or about $6,950 per illegal household. * About 43 percent, or $7 billion, of the federal taxes illegals pay go to Social Security and Medicare. * Employers do not see the costs associated with less-educated immigrant workers because the costs are spread out among all taxpayers. Why Legalization Is So Costly. Costs rise unavoidably because amnesty will not change the low education levels of illegal aliens or the fact that the American economy offers such workers very limited opportunities, regardless of legal status. The vast majority of illegal aliens will continue to have very low incomes, and make very modest tax payments. However, legal status would allow them to use many more programs. We know that cost would rise dramatically because legal immigrants with the same levels of education make extensive use of public services. Thus, even though we estimate that average tax payments would rise by 77 percent, we also find that costs would rise 117 percent. To understand why this happens it is helpful to consider a program like the Earned Income Tax Credit, which pays cash to low-income workers. Illegals currently account for only 1.5 percent of the program’s total costs, but if they were legalized their use of the program would grow tenfold because with legal status they would no longer need stolen or bogus Social Security numbers to get the credit. This dramatic rise in cost is not due to laziness on the part of immigrants. In fact, only those who work receive the EITC. The dramatic rise in costs simply reflects the low educational attainment of illegals and their resulting low incomes. If Illegals Stay, So Will the Costs. To the extent that policy makers have considered the fiscal costs of illegal immigration, they have generally tried to reduce the costs while allowing illegals to remain. But this strategy has not been effective because the average illegal already receives less than half as much in services from the federal government as do other households. Moreover, many of the costs are due to their U.S.-born children, who are awarded American citizenship at birth under current law. Other programs are simply too politically sensitive to cut, such as the Women, Infants and Children nutrition program. And others costs are unavoidable, such as incarcerating illegals who have been convicted of crimes. Conversely, enforcing immigration laws is both popular with voters and administratively more feasible. There are really only two options: either we begin to enforce the law, significantly reducing the number of illegals in the country, or we accept the costs created by the presence of a large pool of unskilled workers. Results Similar to Other Studies. A 1997 report by the National Research Council (NRC) on the fiscal impact of immigrants concluded that education levels and resulting income is the primary determinant of tax payments and service use, which is also a central finding of this report. The results of this study closely match the findings of a 1998 Urban Institute study. Our estimated average tax payment for illegal households in New York State are almost identical to that of the Urban Institute, when adjusted for inflation. The results of this study are also buttressed by an analysis of illegal alien tax returns done by the Inspector General’s Office of the Department of Treasury in 2004, which found that about half had no federal income tax liability, very similar to our findings of 45 percent. (Posted on August 25, 2004) As a new school year starts, many teachers are paying for school supplies out of their own pocket for the poor unfortunate children. I wonder how much this adds to the cost of financing the colored onslaught. Posted by Drew at 4:13 AM on August 26 You57;ve got that right. I am such an embattled teacher, using my money to fund students who cannot and will not learn. If I don57;t, my classroom will appear unsatisfactory and my future employment could be affected. The joys of diversity, huh? Posted by Teutonicus at 10:28 AM on August 26 The facts and figures of this study are telling. And won57;t go away, despite all the bemoanings of pro-immigrant factions, including our Arizona Governor, Janet Napolitano, who maintains that illegal Mexican immigrants are not a drain on Arizona57;s economy. But the fact is illegals in our state are costing taxpayers $1.3 Billion per year52; so far. Why would Napolitano say such a thing? Simple: She57;s trying to save face with Mexico. Napolitano recently paid a visit to President Fox, acting ex officio, as ambassador without portfolio, telling Fox Arizona would be a willing host for a guest worker program, this contrary to and against the wishes and interests of the vast majority of Arizona citizens. But, what the heck, political ambition nowadays always trumps any petty concerns for things like the general welfare of the citizenry. Posted by David at 10:55 AM on August 26 In the future, we will have our own schools. Once we get enough people mad enough and motivated to act, our property taxes will be used to support our people. Let the others build and maintain what they consider to be schools. A nice feature about this site, is the ease with which you can forward any article. We have the truth on our side. I try and send them to friends (not familiar with this site), the young folks (even those in the politicial offices). Most are very receptive. Beleive me, if enough of us get mad enough, we can do anything. Posted by Tim2 at 3:19 PM on August 26 The analysts almost always fail to consider the costs of affirmative action and race preferences because the cost can57;t be measured. For example, how can you calculate the cost of hiring an uneducated worker instead of an educated worker? The cost of lending to a high risk borrower at the same interest rate as a low risk white borrower? 70; the cost of poor service from unqualified workers? 70; the cost of patients spending extra time spent trying to find a white or Asian doctor? So many people don57;t see these costs. Posted by 45degreesnorth at 11:52 PM on August 26 (you may use HTML tags for style) >
unfortunately, it's part of the actual image.
Take up your local state federal taxes with those stealing from you, not me and whom I chose to hire. It is none of your business. Under that argument anything I do is "your business". I am so sick of statist apologists and liberty haters.
Comprendo? Then your beef is with the tax collector.
May not be political for the majority.. blame that on NAFTA and the CFR and the whores in DC.. but those who ARE politically motivated in this fiasco are organized and well funded both by tax dollars and taxfree foundations.. of course that means your tax dollars too.. so we're paying for our own demise.
I don't give a crap about utopian ideals or mass movements or giant macroeconomic trends and how they are said to effect this or that group of people. I am not 300 hundred million people. I am me- and I deal in the only world that matters and that is real- the one around me. And in this world I deal with people- not abstractions- not formless propaganda masses of people some kook ideologues want me to deal with (or more accurately not deal with). And in my world I don't know any, not one, "Islamofascist", "Aztland radical Mexican", "Communist", or some other ridiculous boogeyman some mass movement of thugs wants me to be afraid of or hate or blame so they can control the criminal mechanism of the state for their various "utopian ideals" or to return to some mythical lie of a "golden age" or "Preserve a way of life" they can't even define.
I have no doubt that the current levels of migration are being engineered by the current criminal gangs controlling DC. They are doing so because they can do it and they have the power to do it. But instead of questioning that concentration of power that has produced the current economic conditions that has caused this migration you want me to give this same government the power to throw people in prison for hiring whom they chose and to make everyone get some sort of ID card? Give them the power to further control the economy and our lives? I don't get that type of thinking. It is the thinking of fear and cowardice.
NO, my beef is with the creation of a North American Union, a plan sponsored by the elites at the CFR. The Mexican sperm some here might hire are in this nation by design.
You mean ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, right?
The desire to have illegals with ID cards will boomerang upon the rest of the population. We'll all end up having one, in addition to our driver's licenses and passports. Whatever the current expenses incurred by society due to the illegals, one of the main reasons, IMO, is it have their contributions into SocialSecurity in the future.
Those you choose to hire are welfare sponges. Look to lodwicks #25 in this thread for the breakdown on costs. Tell me, Mr. Freedom, what happens when you hire Jose and he breaks his leg on your project? Who gets to pick up his hospital bill? And his follow up therapy, and the food stamps, and the rent, you get the idea...
Is our Mr. Freedom an employer?
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
We naturally have disagreements on the issue aesthetically speaking, but what I find is that the activists want to 'build a wall', 'make English an official language', 'force assimilation'...and they get all excited about these policy fixes. Not one of the public faces for the movement has the balls to do what Europe already has on the books, repatriation programs (if underfunded.) That is the ugliness of their words is only a simple mask for the limpness of their response. Look at Tancredo; How radical is this guy? He wants to make English an official language like this is a Third World country; he wants to 'enforce' assimilation. This is the Great White Hope? A guy who wants to enforce assimilation? Can anyone not see the problem here?
I’m not sure. He refuses to discuss the impact open borders will have on America's culture and economy, not to mention the coming North American Union. The facts are in, so actually his opinion is like a bellybutton. We all have one. He prefers to live in a utopian sphere; it’s all about him.
i'm not familiar with this. can you describe?
Not true. Burkeman1 thinks it will lead to the eventual break-up of the Union. He is the least Utopian here, and one of the purest reactionaries. As to the North American Union stuff from Israeli-Firster Jerome Corsi, you folks need to check your sources and figure out when you are being distracted. Yes, of course, the CFR One Worlders are a threat, Islam is a threat, but how they rank as a threat in your mind is in the hands of the Conditioners.
Look at Lodwick's #25 and please tell me the benefits of our open Southern border.
Well... it does effect me .. around me.. and you.. if you consider the # of illegals that are working in restaurants.. and know of the health risks.. it's a ticking timebomb.. I work in the healthcare field.. and know of the diseases that were thought to have been eradicated from this country ..not so.. they're returning in a big way..
Paying people to go home. Steve Sailer, has is the leading popular intellectual on the subject which is consistent with whatever is left of humanity merged with realism in the America people. The Conditioners want us wallowing in the gutter as it assures we'll never win. A Buyout Option For Europe's Muslims?/ Steve Sailer
No one said anything about benefits, that is the nuance you are skipping over and for whatever its worth, I know your critical thinking skills are good enough to do better. I don't actually disagree with you, but I have also thought out the issue and considered the same conclusion, the worse the better, this DC-regime must end.
The North American Union is a CFR concept. Corsi discussed the scheme, but it was hatched at ground zero - on East 68th, NYC.
Yes, and its been public knowledge since at least the 70s, earlier if you are a Bircher or even a lefty of the Quigley variety. I trust if you were being straight with me, you would concur that our fate as a nation-state was decided long ago. Why is Corsi, Israeli Firster, making a big deal about it right now?
*we* wouldn't have to pay them to simply leave if *we* didn't first pay them to enter. if we stopped the incentives, they'd not enter to begin with. in this case, crime pays and pays well.
Sure the NWO has been on the march for decades, centuries perhaps, but we're here and now. That said, the plan to annex the greater SW as per the Treaty of Guadalupe is alive and well. NAFTA has morphed into CAFTA and the NAU is a common topic on Lou Dobbs, and other mainstream outlets, Corsi included. I've learned long ago not to shoot the messenger when they articulate the truth. Keep in mind their scheme couldn't move forward w/o open borders. To welcome it for the cheap labor that follows is to witness the end of our nation.
Of course I support abolishing the welfare state in its entirety, but we are speaking not of cutting off immigration, legal or illegal, we are talking about getting people out of the country who are already here. Videos like this insure a realist and just solution will never be politically realized.
The kid in the video I posted to begin this thread did just that. He rounded the MF'ers up and deposited them at the front door of the INS. Mr. Freedom objected, for reasons unknown, but I think the kid should be given a bounty on each illegal head and a full tank of gas for his truck.
Your post is almost ironic. Of course Lou Dobbs and Jerome Corsi will be allowed to promote an acceptible form of nationalism. Don't you get how the misdirection is played? Corsi, an Israeli Firster, i.e. a Traitor who come the Revolution should be on trial for his life, is your popularizer? My Goodness, learn some freakin' discipline. You are being played with a distraction. Lou favors making English the official language and stronger public school to promote the butcher Lincoln and fascist FDR ie assimilation...is that what you want? Or do you want to throw these people out?
...posted on Sean "Israel Come First" Hannity's buddy Hal Turner's website?
no chance in hell any of our politicians will ever suggest such a thing, #1, and #2 what do these people already here go back to? especially when their government is in cahoots with ours to send and keep them here.
And your point is what?
are you saying hal turner is sean hannity's buddy? how do you know this?
i'm not understanding your point. we should be discouraging assimilation in what way then? it seems to me that keeping english the official language in this country is discouraging assimilation. what am i missing here?
They still get 40 bucks a pop for Tragedy & Hope on Amazon. Why, I don't know.
Perhaps we should look into Paraguayan real estate...
Yes, discourage assimilation. Official English is the gateway to Official Spanish. Either send them home or accept the consequences, at least, don't be a dupe.
I've decided to live and die here Jim, with the former being my preference :)
Context, that is all. If I am weary of my friends who get in line with Sean, Jerome and CNN Made For TV populists, that is the explanation.
Leftwing source with leftwing bias and baggage, but good place to start and first thing on google.
I don't care what they go back to. The business of sending them back will be dirty and make sinners of us all, but unlike the previous generations who drank the kool aid of their own vanity, I intend to at least prepare my mind for what must be done to salvage whatever is left.
Yeah - if things remain as they seem to be, I'm here with ya. Were I a single man, it would be different. All I can do is invest in the precious metals - lead, silver, and gold. And pray. Cheers, everyone.
Truth is what it is.
What then must be done? (Keep it simple.)
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
Yeah- the dirty scummy mexicans and their diseases. Are you for real? Don't eat in restaraunts then. In fact, maybe you can scoot over to El Pee and ask to hide under their beds while they cower in fear of non existent Islamofascists. Geeese.
That is a fairly broad question, but lets keep it aimed, tactically, on the immigration question as it relates to the Rightwing. (There are, believe it or not, folks on the Left via the Greens who get it as well, but I think its hopeless to recruit work with them, and we just have to root for them to take over their various organizations etc.) Christians, one of the most active groups on the Right, were easily diverted from accomplishing anything by wasting all of their energy on teaching "creationism" in the public schools...do you see what is wrong with that as a strategy? How it serves the power elite? How it offends the general decentralist instinct of the American mob? Assimilation, Official English, a wall these have sell-out written all over them. The Conditioners have successfully convinced the masses that deportation means box cars and jackbooted thugs, but there are humane ways to tackle the question that simply aren't being discussed and if I can figure it out, if you sort of glimpse my point since you asked, and we just two hacks on the Internet, I assume someone smarter than us who wishes to control us has figured it out as well.
Truth being what? Our government with its massive police state resources won't enforce laws already on the books so the answer is to make English the Official Language? Does not compute.
The truth being our nation is being invaded from our South and to a far lesser degree to our North. With it comes a horde of uneducated Mexicans, and other than Mexicans, who have swollen our social services to the point of breaking. They come in advance of the creation of the North American Union. Despite me telling you this numerous times, you seem to be stuck on assimilation and English as our native tongue. Please don’t misunderstand me; I don’t want them to learn English or to assimilate. I don’t want them here ILLEGALLY. The kid in the vid did what I expect our border security to do – round their asses up and deposit them to the doorstep of the INS.
See, we agree on many things but have a tactical disagreement on approach. When you post a video of a similiar citizen making a citizen's arrest of an INS agent for derilection of duty, I will cheer bravo.
You are absolutely right on how these peripheral issues have been energized with the conivance, of course, of the mainstream. Nothing, for example, will provide fodder for endless wedge issues than an Official English. One need only look at Canada to see where that goes. I believe that we meed a "Minuteman" force to keep employers honest. That is the most important tool. It is the key issue in fact. Something must be done soon before the issue is legislated away in a flood of amnesty bills. This is our last chance and we must raise hell with the new Congress, or all will be lost in a few short months.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
it's really much simpler than that, imo. #1 we need to stop the incentives/welfare encouraging them to come. #2 if we had a government whose first interests were truly that of america and americans, then every troop who is now in iraq and in 140+ countries around the world at the behest of globalist elites, would instead be on our borders guarding and protecting them. at this point, i think we must be isolationists and protectionists, else this nation will be destroyed.
and i do not have a problem with immigration. i have no problem with someone coming here to try and make a better life for themselves. they just need to start on a level playing field like the rest of us. none of us is given governmental gifts. i'm italian and my sicilian ancestors weren't given a thing when they came here. they did it on their own.
common sense bump
It’s amusing watching us all try to develop some unique solution to the invasion of our nation. Any of the suggestions made would begin to yield results immediately, but keep in mind they’ll never be implemented. The elite are achieving their desired result; the integration of Mexico, Canada and the US. Is there anyone who disagrees with this? More importantly, is there anyone who welcomes it?
Sicilians and Italians tended to settle on the East Coast in already crowded cities. They brought with them Old World baggage and a tradition of corrupt big government habits. It was the Old line blue bloods of Boston, with Cal Coolidge as President and Henry Cabot Lodge in Congress who pushed through the immigration pause that began in the 20s through 1965. I also, looking at history, don't think Nordic immigration that settled in the Midwest worked out so great. Prussians brought with them a love of Union that was foreign and a tradition of bureaucracy and officialdom that again was also foreign to a land of Celts, Anglos, and Danes who had made something out of nothing and fought a war for the right of self-rule. If the issue was 12 million low class Irish being naturalized, I would still be against the idea as its simply never a good idea, but it seems it's a done deal, so I certainly understand the converse which is being against big government solutions that don't even begin to address the core questions.
It's a good question. One can sort of cop out and argue the obvious its a done deal so lets start addressing what it means to us, which includes the secessionist goals of patriots and to what degree do we give up our humanity getting angry at the pawns in a game bigger than us.
yep
No, and No. And at least 90% of Americans agree.
I don't think that the idea is to create a unique solution. I mean this is no brainstorming session in an English class. This stuff is for real, for keeps. There are three keys to this thing as I see it: 1) the border, 2) employers, 3) the system of benefits immigrants avail themselves of. If you can enlarge that list, please feel free to do so. Be mindful that you need to look where action has the most immediate effect. 1) The border. This is one area where uncontrolled immigration and the forces that promote it are most vulnerable. To make it short and sweet, this is also one area where we get LSO - lip service only from our govenrment. I don't have to quote you chapter and verse on this one. 3) Government benefits. Illegals to some extent use welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, unremunerated medical services, and get free public schooling and even tuition benefits at community colleges. It's important to remember that while the overall numbers are increasing that most of the immigrant coming here illegally are single men looking to to make a buck and trying stay below the radar. Most of them stay a year or two and return home with their savings. True some stay and have babies, and a few come with their families and the latter group probably burdens the system the most. However, it is also important to recognize that this is a system run by bureaucrats and Marxistas and they will not help us one bit. They have a burgeoning clientel and you can fight them tooth and nail for years and you will always outdone by their political operatives who are old hands at this game. 2) Employers. This is a most vulnerable group, and they do get cited and prosecuted for hiring illegal aliens. Employment is the real draw. It is the big magnet that drives immigration - legal and illegal. I think that you can make a strong case that this is in fact the Achilles' heel of the invasion. A lot of folks are in clear violation of the law, daily putting all their assets at risk. We have to put a big spotlight on people that hire labor illegally before the whole system is legitimized by accomodationists like the Big Decider in the White house. I welcome your critique of my opinions here. This is just how I see it.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
Your solutions would all stop the invasion cold had we a government that was responsive to the people. The problem is that they aren't, and what we're seeing on a daily basis is by design. I need to keep myself centered on the creation of the NAU for any of this to make sense. I remain amazed at people who are unfazed by what’s unfolding.
And what concerns you about the NAU that would be quantitatively worse than the political structure we have now? Or is yours just an irrational reactionary position? What will be worse under the NAU? You should explain the infringements on your rights you expect from a future action, before you ask others to take limited resources they are using to fight current infringements and dedicate them to your cause.
In other words be a snitch. No thanks. That's not how respectable people did things in my old neighborhood.
If ifs and buts were candied nuts. Just the absurdity of the proposition that a government can serve the "interests" of 300 million people boggles my mind. City councils in BFE can't even serve the "interests". Government is force and someone is going to be forced to serve someone else. It's inherent to the system. There is no reforming it. It must be abolished.
Besides the obvious death of our nation and culture, Americans will face an even greater tax burden as 3rd world scum cross over into our welfare state. Please note I didn’t say Mexican 3rd worlders; the new borderless NAU would have no way of recognizing the homeland of this flow of refugees. I’d expect to see the worlds most impoverished people flooding into our country bringing their culture, language, diseases and crime. No thanks.
Welcome to the new neighborhood.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
So I should direct energy to fighting future higher taxes instead of the almost 54% I already pay to all levels of government? How much effing higher can they go? This is why I part ways with your cause. It seems you've already given up on the last fight and moved on to the next one which only advances the other side. If all the people who are worried about the detrimental effects on the welfare, educational and healthcare systems by immigrants (and polls show it's quite a few) directed their efforts at getting rid of welfare, shitty government schools and hospital handouts, we wouldn't have the problem in the first place. But you seem to just be conceding defeat, giving up the old ground and moving on to the next battle. And then what? They'll get their NAU and you'll give up and move to the next fight. Always playing defense. That's how they want you.
Nah, I'll stick with the old one. You go tattle to Big Brother, I still remember where I come from. And I still remember who the enemy is. Hint: it's the guys with guns taking half your paycheck not the guy who hires someone in a voluntary transaction.
Yes, and you'll never live it down, will you? You have my sympathies.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
My issue is not really illegals per se, but the legals via the absurd refugee system who settle here cause of the bennies. You start talking about the Wall, and I hear sell-out and fear of being called a racist by our eternal enemy the Left, and retreat to "if they come here legally to work that is fine." I don't care for the cat eaters, the clitordectomists, etc etc and when I see these sorts of folks in suped up cars that must run 30K, I can damn angry...but our enemies figured out that its pretty easy to pay the Matt Hales or the Fred Phelps to turn up as reinforcements and insure no political solution. Hence, tactically speaking, not appealing to hate, but aggressively appealing to culture must be the theme of attack.
Sorry, I don’t know the tax ramifications you’ll experience after America is morphed into a CFR sponsored trading zone, but the influx of human welfare sponges that will follow won’t decrease them. Any plan sponsored by an unelected elite, supported by Bush and Fox in secret, should be viewed with a great deal of skepticism. But that’s me.
Appealing to culture is not a plan of attack. That sounds like high-brow journalism. And it is readily coopted by the Whiner/Savages ("Borders, Language, Culture") for other purposes.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
Geeese. I believe you're putting
words in my mouth AND assuming something that I didnt mean whatsoever.. LEGAL
aliens.. have to take a health exam.. period.. illegals DO NOT.. have you done
any research whatsoever on this?? There IS a reason we have a CDC and a reason
aliens do have to have a health okay to come into this country.. it's to
protect the health of the citizens in this country. GEEESE is right..
is it not possible to have a government for, by, and of the people? a servant government? did we ever? if this thing we have now is abolished, what do we replace it with?
Texas, perhaps. What do you think?
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
as in secession? if only....
No. But I think you already knew that. did we ever? No, and you knew that too, or you wouldn't have asked. if this thing we have now is abolished, what do we replace it with? Nothing. You'll go about you're daily business, peaceably interacting others, just like 99% of people do everyday, responsible for yourself without the largest criminal gang known to man (government) stealing half of everything you labor for. No, it wouldn't be utopia, but if man is so bad it needs to be governed, then the last thing you want to put in place is a government made up of men. And the men attracted to governing are naturally the worst class of them all.
Ah....a society based on the values of community and mutual aid; direct democracy; non-hierarchical organization; the absense of class division; the absense of divisions based on race, gender and nation; and the absense of institutionalized authority figures.... Do you think the MS-13 will buy into the concept?
I like helping those in my community, don't you? direct democracy Democracy? No thanks, we have enough of that already. Two wolves and a sheep...you know the rest. non-hierarchical organization; the absense of class division; the absense of divisions based on race, gender and nation; and the absense of institutionalized authority figures.... That would be communism, not my gig. But if people want to voluntarily join communes, be my guest, as long as they keep it to themselves. Do you think the MS-13 will buy into the concept? Here we go, the MS-13 boogeyman. And how many times have you or anyone you know been victimized by this MS-13? They are as nebulous an enemy to the anti-immigration advocates as Al Qaeda is to the wingnuts. Regardless though, how much of their income is a result of the drug war?
Boogeyman...hehehehehe....right, they aren't a multinational, criminal organization. It's just the conspiratorial me.... OK, let’s bag the MS-13 since you say they don’t exist. Feel free to plug in any other group of thugs that inhabit this planet. How about Skinheads? Perhaps the KKK? How about our military? Surly they’ll see the virtues of your philosophy and drop their weapons (g) What, besides your utopian pipe dream, gives you even the slightest glimmer of hope that this (and all other governments) will agree to disband. Is there a moment in history you can point to where this has happened and succeeded? Now, back to reality and the purpose of this thread. Since neither you nor I know what an NAU will bring, maybe its implementation isn’t such a good idea. Right? I’d be willing to take book on what changes will come. Goodbye guns, hello censorship. After all isn’t that the way of Canada and Mexico, our soon to be new majority partners? Unless of course you think our merger would give these former nations a taste of our 1st and 2nd amendment, however restricted they are. Perhaps even an exchange like we’re having on this forum will be illegal. There might come a day even you will miss the small freedoms we retain today, but then again...
outstanding. nothing like a little dose of reality.
Isn't that the truth.
I didn't say they didn't exist. I stated they are insignificant in my life and the daily life of 299,990,000 out of the 300 million Americans. That's certainly not so in the case of the government. It amazes me to watch you tilt at windmills that have less chance of hurting you than lightning while you skim over the elephant in the room that takes half your income in taxes at gunpoint. Over and over you babble about how the government has failed to do its job, yet who are you begging to fix the problem? Government. A case of battered wife syndrom if there ever was one. How about Skinheads? Perhaps the KKK? How about our military? Surly they’ll see the virtues of your philosophy and drop their weapons (g) I would hope the military goes home when they're told they aren't getting their next paycheck. As for the other groups,why should I care if they do, I'm not dropping mine. They are far less dangerous to you or I than any government agency. There isn't any body-armored, M4 carbine wielding skin-heads with a battering ram to kick in my door and seize my assets when I don't send in my yearly tribute by April 15. What, besides your utopian pipe dream, gives you even the slightest glimmer of hope that this (and all other governments) will agree to disband. They will never disband. We just need enough people to stop listening to them. And I'm not claiming utopia. All I'm advocating is getting rid of the largest criminal gang we have. I'm sure there'll still be the little ones. Is there a moment in history you can point to where this has happened and succeeded? Sure. Millions of Americans lived and died over our history without coming into contact with a government agent their entire life. It's almost impossible to imagine the growth of government over the last 80 years compared to the first several hundred on this continent. Goodbye guns, hello censorship. That's exactly what we need the government to try to do. No more chipping away at freedom, decade after decade where people get a little riled up, settle back down and go ho-hum. I want to see door to door confiscations, detention camps for dissenters and the like. We'll find out right then and there if there's any spirit left or whether we should just throw in the towel. But with this death by a thousands cuts shit, we'll never find out.
I second that. I want to get this over with now. I don't want to leave it to my kid to deal with.
Funny shit - thanks.
-Thomas Paine
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#3. To: who knows what evil, lodwick (#2)
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
#5. To: Burkeman1 (#4)
(Edited)
people don't normally leave their native lands unless they have too for friggin simple survival. It isn't funny
#6. To: Burkeman1, Jethro Tull, ALL (#4)
#7. To: christine (#6)
(Edited)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
Just as there is no money in peace or freedom, there is also no money in a healthy Amerika - - IndieTX
#8. To: christine (#6)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#9. To: christine (#6)
#10. To: Burkeman1 (#9)
But the motive behind Mexicans coming here isn't political in the slightest.
#11. To: randge (#10)
#12. To: Burkeman1 (#11)
#13. To: randge (#12)
If you love your country, it's time to turn in all employers who support and profit from illegal immigration.
#14. To: Burkeman1 (#13)
(Edited)
#15. To: randge (#14)
Do you believe that we should demand that employers obey current hiring laws laws or not?
#16. To: Burkeman1 (#15)
#17. To: randge (#16)
#18. To: Burkeman1 (#15)
The government has no right to tell me who we can hire or not hire and at what wage.
#19. To: Burkeman1, randge, all (#15)
The government has no right to tell me who we can hire or not hire and at what wage.
#20. To: christine (#18)
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
#22. To: randge (#12)
If we put significant number of delinquent employers in jail tomorrow, this problem would largely solve itself.
#23. To: christine (#22)
#24. To: Burkeman1 (#20)
(Edited)
A human's worth has nothing to do with which group of criminal gangs that calls itself a "government" owns him by calling him a "citizen".
#25. To: all (#23)
email just in -
-Thomas Paine
#26. To: Burkeman1 (#21)
My wage agreements with whom I choose to hire are none of your business.
#27. To: All (#24)
Let's see how this one works
#28. To: SmokinOPs (#24)
#29. To: SmokinOPs (#27)
#30. To: lodwick (#25)
NOW ... WHY CAN'T WE JUST SEND THEM HOME ???
#31. To: christine (#29)
oh, you did it!
#32. To: randge, Burkeman1 (#23)
#33. To: To those who would hire illegals - the true cost (#15)
Top Home Previous story Next Story Post a Comment http://www.amren.com/cgi- bin/hifriend/hifriend.pl','TellAFriend','scrolling=yes,resizable,width=600,heigh t=400')">Send This Page Search
Comments
Top Home Previous story Next Story http://www.amren.com/cgi- bin/hifriend/hifriend.pl','TellAFriend','scrolling=yes,resizable,width=600,heigh t=400')">Send This Page Search Post a Comment
Commenting guidelines: We welcome comments that add information or perspective, and we encourage debate. Statements of fact and well-considered opinion are welcome, but we will not post comments that include obscenities or insults, whether of groups or individuals. We reserve the right to hold our critics to lower standards.
Remember Me?
#34. To: SmokinOPs (#31)
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
#36. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
The cost of illegal hires affects our local, state and federal taxes.
#37. To: Burkeman1 (#9)
#38. To: christine (#32)
#39. To: Zipporah (#37)
#40. To: SmokinOPs (#36)
#41. To: Burkeman1 (#39)
I have no doubt that the current levels of migration
#42. To: Burkeman1 (#39)
#43. To: Burkeman1 (#35)
Take up your local state federal taxes with those stealing from you, not me and whom I chose to hire.
#44. To: Jethro Tull (#43)
#45. To: Burkeman1 (#39)
#46. To: randge (#44)
#47. To: JohnGalt (#45)
has the balls to do what Europe already has on the books, repatriation programs
#48. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
#49. To: JohnGalt (#48)
#50. To: Burkeman1 (#38)
#51. To: christine (#47)
#52. To: Jethro Tull (#49)
#53. To: JohnGalt (#48)
As to the North American Union stuff from Israeli-Firster Jerome Corsi, you folks need to check your sources and figure out when you are being distracted.
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
(Edited)
#55. To: JohnGalt (#51)
A more practical approach than "fashioning a national identity that will connect” etc. etc. would be to have the disaffected simply leave.
#56. To: JohnGalt (#54)
#57. To: christine (#55)
#58. To: JohnGalt (#57)
we are talking about getting people out of the country who are already here.
#59. To: Jethro Tull (#56)
#60. To: Jethro Tull (#58)
#61. To: JohnGalt (#57)
but we are speaking not of cutting off immigration, legal or illegal, we are talking about getting people out of the country who are already here.
#62. To: JohnGalt (#59)
#63. To: JohnGalt (#60)
#64. To: JohnGalt (#59)
Lou favors making English the official language and stronger public school to promote the butcher Lincoln and fascist FDR ie assimilation...
#65. To: JohnGalt (#54)
Yes, and its been public knowledge since at least the 70s, earlier if you are a Bircher or even a lefty of the Quigley variety.
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#30)
...that would interfere with the creation of the North American Union, a concept some traitorous leaches (posing as free men and women) want and desire.
-Thomas Paine
#67. To: christine (#64)
#68. To: lodwick (#66)
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#62)
#70. To: christine (#63)
(Edited)
#71. To: christine (#61)
#72. To: Jethro Tull. all realists here (#68)
I've decided to live and die here Jim, with the former being my preference :)
-Thomas Paine
#73. To: JohnGalt (#69)
#74. To: JohnGalt (#71)
#75. To: Zipporah (#50)
#76. To: randge (#74)
#77. To: Jethro Tull (#73)
#78. To: JohnGalt (#77)
#79. To: Jethro Tull (#78)
#80. To: JohnGalt (#76)
#81. To: JohnGalt (#77)
(Edited)
#82. To: JohnGalt (#79)
#83. To: christine (#81)
#1 we need to stop the incentives/welfare encouraging them to come. #2 if we had a government whose first interests were truly that of america and americans, then every troop who is now in iraq and in 140+ countries around the world at the behest of globalist elites, would instead be on our borders guarding and protecting them. at this point, i think we must be isolationists and protectionists, else this nation will be destroyed.
-Thomas Paine
#84. To: all (#81)
#85. To: christine (#82)
(Edited)
#86. To: Jethro Tull (#84)
#87. To: JohnGalt (#85)
(Edited)
#88. To: Jethro Tull (#84)
Is there anyone who disagrees with this? More importantly, is there anyone who welcomes it?
-Thomas Paine
#89. To: Jethro Tull, JohnGalt, All (#84)
(Edited)
#90. To: randge, lodwick, christine, all (#89)
(Edited)
critique
#91. To: Jethro Tull (#40)
NO, my beef is with the creation of a North American Union, a plan sponsored by the elites at the CFR.
#92. To: randge (#89)
We have to put a big spotlight on people that hire labor illegally ...
#93. To: christine (#81)
#2 if we had a government whose first interests were truly that of america and americans...
#94. To: SmokinOPs (#91)
(Edited)
And what concerns you about the NAU that would be quantitatively worse than the political structure we have now?
#95. To: SmokinOPs (#92)
#96. To: Jethro Tull (#94)
Americans will face an even greater tax burden as 3rd world scum cross over into our welfare state
#97. To: randge (#95)
(Edited)
Welcome to the new neighborhood.
#98. To: SmokinOPs (#97)
(Edited)
I still remember where I come from.
#99. To: randge (#89)
#100. To: SmokinOPs (#96)
How much effing higher can they go?
#101. To: JohnGalt (#99)
aggressively appealing to culture must be the theme of attack.
#102. To: Burkeman1 (#75)
(Edited)
Yeah- the dirty scummy mexicans and their diseases. Are you for
real? Don't eat in restaraunts then. In fact, maybe you can scoot over to El
Pee and ask to hide under their beds while they cower in fear of non existent
Islamofascists.
#103. To: SmokinOPs (#93)
#104. To: christine (#103)
#105. To: randge (#104)
#106. To: christine (#103)
(Edited)
is it not possible to have a government for, by, and of the people?
#107. To: SmokinOPs (#106)
#108. To: Jethro Tull (#107)
community and mutual aid
#109. To: SmokinOPs (#108)
Here we go, the MS-13 boogeyman. And how many times have you or anyone you know been victimized by this MS-13?
#110. To: Jethro Tull (#109)
#111. To: SmokinOPs (#106)
No, it wouldn't be utopia, but if man is so bad it needs to be governed, then the last thing you want to put in place is a government made up of men. And the men attracted to governing are naturally the worst class of them all.
-Thomas Paine
#112. To: Jethro Tull (#109)
OK, let’s bag the MS-13 since you say they don’t exist.
#113. To: SmokinOPs (#112)
No more chipping away at freedom, decade after decade where people get a little riled up, settle back down and go ho-hum. I want to see door to door confiscations, detention camps for dissenters and the like. We'll find out right then and there if there's any spirit left or whether we should just throw in the towel. But with this death by a thousands cuts shit, we'll never find out.
The Subversive Firearms Forums
#114. To: SmokinOPs (#112)
And this has what to do with illegal immigration and the creation of a North American Union?
#115. To: Jethro Tull (#114)
Nothin' Jus' blowin' smoke on a Winsday night.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
#116. To: randge (#115)
Seriously. And BTW, if paying 54% of his income in taxes is such a thorn in his side, just say no to the IRS, local and state governments. IIRC, 47 million other Americans have done the same.
#117. To: Jethro Tull (#114)
I asked you how the NAU was going to be worse than it is now. You said it would lead to taking away guns and censorship. I said bring it. Got it? Good.
And this has what to do with illegal immigration and the creation of a North American Union?
#118. To: SmokinOPs (#117)
Hell, why wait for the inevitable? Go get ‘em now, Mr. 54% tax compliant.
#119. To: Jethro Tull (#118)
Says, you. Chicken Little predictions are a dime a dozen. Go get ‘em now, Mr. 54% tax compliant. You pay yours too and don't even seem to have a problem with it. For you it's them scary immigrants that are the problem. And no I won't believe you if you tell me some hare-brained scheme about how you got out of it. Your car has plates, your gas is taxed, your phone, everything you buy. You're paying so keep the BS schemes to yourself.
Hell, why wait for the inevitable?
#120. To: SmokinOPs (#119)
Is dat Allllllah on your black flag there??
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
#121. To: SmokinOPs (#119)
Wrong. Try again Mr. Compliant.
You pay yours
#122. To: Jethro Tull (#121)
Them anarchists are some bad.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
#123. To: randge (#122)
I think i have this right. The Compliant-One is a wannabe anarchist who is promoting open borders so he can shoot government agents when they come to collect his way too high taxes. When pigs fly...
#124. To: Jethro Tull (#121)
Bullshit.
Wrong. Try again Mr. Compliant.
#125. To: Jethro Tull (#123)
Not even close. But I expect lies and misrepresentations from someone who doesn't have enough balls to even give a ping.
I think i have this right. The Compliant-One is a wannabe anarchist who is promoting open borders so he can shoot government agents when they come to collect his way too high taxes.
#126. To: randge (#120) (Edited)
Shouldn't you be under your bed hiding from the scary Mexicans right now, typing away about how you want to save our precious bodily fluids er, I mean culture? Snitch.
#127. To: SmokinOPs (#124)
It's true. I paid zero federal income tax. Now, if you have a really big set of balls, I can prove it. But since I'm a capitalist, I insist on a wager. Let’s do 20k. k? If yes, let’s meet with an agreed upon independent 3rd party at a time and place of your choosing. Your move, Braveheart.
Bullshit.
#128. To: SmokinOPs (#126)
No. I've actually found some traitors I'm going to turn in. Bitch.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
#129. To: randge (#128)
You can rationalize your snitching anyway you want stool pigeon.
No. I've actually found some traitors I'm going to turn in.
#130. To: SmokinOPs (#129)
Heh heh heh.
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
#131. To: Jethro Tull (#127)
And if you are liable for it, your time will come. And I didn't just mention income tax now did I? You're paying those property taxes ain't you. Plating that car ain't you. Gas tax and telephone tax. Sales tax, building permit tax-you'll pay 'em. You just chose not to pay the tax that will take the longest time for the government to get around to you. But they will. Maybe you'll get a cell with Irwin Schiff or they'll seize your assets and leave you on the street. But it's so much more important to stop those Mexicans ain't it?
It's true. I paid zero federal income tax. Now, if you have a really big set of balls, I can prove it. But since I'm a capitalist, I insist on a wager. Let’s do 20k. k? If yes, let’s meet with an agreed upon independent 3rd party at a time and place of your choosing.
#132. To: randge (#130)
No, a pigeon goes 'cooo, cooo, cooo.'
Heh heh heh.
#133. To: randge (#101)
High brown journalism? Pretty much just the opposite. White Nationalist tactics acceptible to the masses. So what if Weiner can read Hard Right publications; when Rush and Hannity are the gatekeepers for acceptible policy solutions, we get assimilation and a Maginot Line.
#134. To: SmokinOPs (#132)
Heh heh heh..
Give 'til it hurts. Gun Owners of America
#135. To: SmokinOPs (#131)
So the bet is off? I knew if I gave you a chance to meet me, and attempt to disprove what I said, you’d fold like a cheap suit. You didn’t disappoint me. What is your bitch? Aren't you consoled by the fact that the 54% income tax you contribute voluntarily is being used, in part, to support Mexican illegals? Once they break in to our country they – and their brood sows - need lots of social benefits to supplement the off the book wages people like you, and other talking anuses, give them. I'd think this income tax charity you willingly extend would make you feel good. Perhaps it will as more and more needy break into America and extend their hand while demanding even more.
#136. To: Jethro Tull (#135)
We never had one. I knew if I gave you a chance to meet me As tempting as it is for me to fly around the country to meet anonymous internet cranks...golly, well it's just so tempting. Not really. and attempt to disprove what I said It would be impossible for me to prove or disprove your tax compliance (let alone your income) as I don't have access to the IRS computer data base. you contribute voluntarily Oh boy, here we go with that tired old scheme. Yeah, the Treasury keeps SWAT teams around to deal with all those "volunteers". Heard that line a hundred times. It's bullshit no matter how much you want to believe it because right or wrong a jury will convict you and a Judge will sentence you and men with guns will escort you to a cage or put a niece yellow lien seal on your front door or both. Once they break in to our country they Our? I only own my piece and only tentatively if I don't mail a check twice a year. I'd think this income tax charity you willingly extend would make you feel good. Perhaps it will as more and more needy break into America and extend their hand while demanding even more. Because that's such a big portion of where taxes go, right? Give me an effing break. All this is about is for once in your life you've found a class of people lower on the political totem pole than you and now you actually think you have a chance to be part of a movement to have the government lord it over someone else for a change. Government lording it over people is the opposite of what I'm about and I don't care where they were born.
So the bet is off?
#137. To: SmokinOPs (#136) (Edited)
I offered, you didn't accept. I understand. We all do.
#138. To: Jethro Tull (#137)
Apparently not. Goading me to meet you to examine the unprovable is revealing what a crackpot you are though.
I offered, you didn't accept. I understand.
#139. To: SmokinOPs (#138)
I hear you Mr Compliant.....zero balls (g)
#140. To: Jethro Tull (#139)
Are you frothing at the mouth yet goober? LOL, what a loser. Just think about what a nut you are, anonymously goading someone to travel across the country to settle a bet.A bet that can't be confirmed either way because I can't see the IRS database that would show whether you made a payment or not, nor do I have the means to independently verify your income. LOL, wow, are you out there. Kooks like you are why I have nothing but contempt for the so-called "Patriot" movement."
I hear you Mr Compliant.....zero balls
#141. To: SmokinOPs (#140) (Edited)
No, I'm actually LMAO :) Had you a clue about governmental growth, you’d realize that the illegal invasion you’re welcoming is growing the very entity you despise. An example of the cost of this national suicide is posted in #25 on this thread, but I’m not expecting this harsh truth will change your mind. That would take intellectual honesty, and to date you’ve exhibited none. That said, do us a favor and stop complaining about your high taxes. You not only voluntarily pay them, but you also support the very action that increases them. One more thing. Drop that childish anarchist tagline you use. Woody Allen is more of an anarchist than you are.
#142. To: Jethro Tull (#141)
I don't owe you any favors. You can hit the bozo button any time. but you also support the very action that increases them. The very action that increases them is causes like yours that call for the government to increase to fix the very problem it caused in the first place.Battered wife syndrom tinkering on the edge of the problem. Another useless "reform" in a never ending series. What do you want? More border guards, multi-billion dollar fences, and a giant enforcement apparatus to go around checking employers to make sure they only hire people you approve of. No thanks. Hacking at branches and ignoring the root cause is the typical response of your breed of activist. Always on the defensive and you'll never gain an inch. I've alluded to this in several posts and you haven't rebutted it yet.
That said, do us a favor and stop complaining about your high taxes.
#143. To: SmokinOPs (#142)
you talked me into it, woody. adios.
You can hit the bozo button any time.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest