My issue is not really illegals per se, but the legals via the absurd refugee system who settle here cause of the bennies. You start talking about the Wall, and I hear sell-out and fear of being called a racist by our eternal enemy the Left, and retreat to "if they come here legally to work that is fine." I don't care for the cat eaters, the clitordectomists, etc etc and when I see these sorts of folks in suped up cars that must run 30K, I can damn angry...but our enemies figured out that its pretty easy to pay the Matt Hales or the Fred Phelps to turn up as reinforcements and insure no political solution.
Hence, tactically speaking, not appealing to hate, but aggressively appealing to culture must be the theme of attack.
Sorry, I dont know the tax ramifications youll experience after America is morphed into a CFR sponsored trading zone, but the influx of human welfare sponges that will follow wont decrease them. Any plan sponsored by an unelected elite, supported by Bush and Fox in secret, should be viewed with a great deal of skepticism. But thats me.
aggressively appealing to culture must be the theme of attack.
Appealing to culture is not a plan of attack. That sounds like high-brow journalism. And it is readily coopted by the Whiner/Savages ("Borders, Language, Culture") for other purposes.
Yeah- the dirty scummy mexicans and their diseases. Are you for
real? Don't eat in restaraunts then. In fact, maybe you can scoot over to El
Pee and ask to hide under their beds while they cower in fear of non existent
Islamofascists.
Geeese.
I believe you're putting
words in my mouth AND assuming something that I didnt mean whatsoever.. LEGAL
aliens.. have to take a health exam.. period.. illegals DO NOT.. have you done
any research whatsoever on this?? There IS a reason we have a CDC and a reason
aliens do have to have a health okay to come into this country.. it's to
protect the health of the citizens in this country. GEEESE is right..
is it not possible to have a government for, by, and of the people? a servant government? did we ever? if this thing we have now is abolished, what do we replace it with?
is it not possible to have a government for, by, and of the people?
No. But I think you already knew that.
did we ever?
No, and you knew that too, or you wouldn't have asked.
if this thing we have now is abolished, what do we replace it with?
Nothing. You'll go about you're daily business, peaceably interacting others, just like 99% of people do everyday, responsible for yourself without the largest criminal gang known to man (government) stealing half of everything you labor for.
No, it wouldn't be utopia, but if man is so bad it needs to be governed, then the last thing you want to put in place is a government made up of men. And the men attracted to governing are naturally the worst class of them all.
Ah....a society based on the values of community and mutual aid; direct democracy; non-hierarchical organization; the absense of class division; the absense of divisions based on race, gender and nation; and the absense of institutionalized authority figures....
Democracy? No thanks, we have enough of that already. Two wolves and a sheep...you know the rest.
non-hierarchical organization; the absense of class division; the absense of divisions based on race, gender and nation; and the absense of institutionalized authority figures....
That would be communism, not my gig. But if people want to voluntarily join communes, be my guest, as long as they keep it to themselves.
Do you think the MS-13 will buy into the concept?
Here we go, the MS-13 boogeyman. And how many times have you or anyone you know been victimized by this MS-13? They are as nebulous an enemy to the anti-immigration advocates as Al Qaeda is to the wingnuts. Regardless though, how much of their income is a result of the drug war?
Here we go, the MS-13 boogeyman. And how many times have you or anyone you know been victimized by this MS-13?
Boogeyman...hehehehehe....right, they aren't a multinational, criminal organization. It's just the conspiratorial me....
OK, lets bag the MS-13 since you say they dont exist. Feel free to plug in any other group of thugs that inhabit this planet. How about Skinheads? Perhaps the KKK? How about our military? Surly theyll see the virtues of your philosophy and drop their weapons (g)
What, besides your utopian pipe dream, gives you even the slightest glimmer of hope that this (and all other governments) will agree to disband. Is there a moment in history you can point to where this has happened and succeeded?
Now, back to reality and the purpose of this thread.
Since neither you nor I know what an NAU will bring, maybe its implementation isnt such a good idea. Right? Id be willing to take book on what changes will come. Goodbye guns, hello censorship. After all isnt that the way of Canada and Mexico, our soon to be new majority partners? Unless of course you think our merger would give these former nations a taste of our 1st and 2nd amendment, however restricted they are. Perhaps even an exchange like were having on this forum will be illegal. There might come a day even you will miss the small freedoms we retain today, but then again...
No, it wouldn't be utopia, but if man is so bad it needs to be governed, then the last thing you want to put in place is a government made up of men. And the men attracted to governing are naturally the worst class of them all.
Isn't that the truth.
"Taxes are not raised to carry on wars, wars are raised to carry on taxes." -Thomas Paine
OK, lets bag the MS-13 since you say they dont exist.
I didn't say they didn't exist. I stated they are insignificant in my life and the daily life of 299,990,000 out of the 300 million Americans. That's certainly not so in the case of the government.
It amazes me to watch you tilt at windmills that have less chance of hurting you than lightning while you skim over the elephant in the room that takes half your income in taxes at gunpoint. Over and over you babble about how the government has failed to do its job, yet who are you begging to fix the problem? Government. A case of battered wife syndrom if there ever was one.
How about Skinheads? Perhaps the KKK? How about our military? Surly theyll see the virtues of your philosophy and drop their weapons (g)
I would hope the military goes home when they're told they aren't getting their next paycheck.
As for the other groups,why should I care if they do, I'm not dropping mine. They are far less dangerous to you or I than any government agency. There isn't any body-armored, M4 carbine wielding skin-heads with a battering ram to kick in my door and seize my assets when I don't send in my yearly tribute by April 15.
What, besides your utopian pipe dream, gives you even the slightest glimmer of hope that this (and all other governments) will agree to disband.
They will never disband. We just need enough people to stop listening to them. And I'm not claiming utopia. All I'm advocating is getting rid of the largest criminal gang we have. I'm sure there'll still be the little ones.
Is there a moment in history you can point to where this has happened and succeeded?
Sure. Millions of Americans lived and died over our history without coming into contact with a government agent their entire life. It's almost impossible to imagine the growth of government over the last 80 years compared to the first several hundred on this continent.
Goodbye guns, hello censorship.
That's exactly what we need the government to try to do. No more chipping away at freedom, decade after decade where people get a little riled up, settle back down and go ho-hum. I want to see door to door confiscations, detention camps for dissenters and the like. We'll find out right then and there if there's any spirit left or whether we should just throw in the towel. But with this death by a thousands cuts shit, we'll never find out.
No more chipping away at freedom, decade after decade where people get a little riled up, settle back down and go ho-hum. I want to see door to door confiscations, detention camps for dissenters and the like. We'll find out right then and there if there's any spirit left or whether we should just throw in the towel. But with this death by a thousands cuts shit, we'll never find out.
I second that. I want to get this over with now. I don't want to leave it to my kid to deal with.
And BTW, if paying 54% of his income in taxes is such a thorn in his side, just say no to the IRS, local and state governments. IIRC, 47 million other Americans have done the same.
Says, you. Chicken Little predictions are a dime a dozen.
Go get em now, Mr. 54% tax compliant.
You pay yours too and don't even seem to have a problem with it. For you it's them scary immigrants that are the problem. And no I won't believe you if you tell me some hare-brained scheme about how you got out of it. Your car has plates, your gas is taxed, your phone, everything you buy. You're paying so keep the BS schemes to yourself.
I think i have this right. The Compliant-One is a wannabe anarchist who is promoting open borders so he can shoot government agents when they come to collect his way too high taxes.
I think i have this right. The Compliant-One is a wannabe anarchist who is promoting open borders so he can shoot government agents when they come to collect his way too high taxes.
Not even close. But I expect lies and misrepresentations from someone who doesn't have enough balls to even give a ping.
Shouldn't you be under your bed hiding from the scary Mexicans right now, typing away about how you want to save our precious bodily fluids er, I mean culture? Snitch.
It's true. I paid zero federal income tax. Now, if you have a really big set of balls, I can prove it. But since I'm a capitalist, I insist on a wager. Lets do 20k. k? If yes, lets meet with an agreed upon independent 3rd party at a time and place of your choosing.
It's true. I paid zero federal income tax. Now, if you have a really big set of balls, I can prove it. But since I'm a capitalist, I insist on a wager. Lets do 20k. k? If yes, lets meet with an agreed upon independent 3rd party at a time and place of your choosing.
And if you are liable for it, your time will come. And I didn't just mention income tax now did I? You're paying those property taxes ain't you. Plating that car ain't you. Gas tax and telephone tax. Sales tax, building permit tax-you'll pay 'em. You just chose not to pay the tax that will take the longest time for the government to get around to you. But they will.
Maybe you'll get a cell with Irwin Schiff or they'll seize your assets and leave you on the street. But it's so much more important to stop those Mexicans ain't it?
High brown journalism? Pretty much just the opposite. White Nationalist tactics acceptible to the masses. So what if Weiner can read Hard Right publications; when Rush and Hannity are the gatekeepers for acceptible policy solutions, we get assimilation and a Maginot Line.
So the bet is off? I knew if I gave you a chance to meet me, and attempt to disprove what I said, youd fold like a cheap suit. You didnt disappoint me.
What is your bitch? Aren't you consoled by the fact that the 54% income tax you contribute voluntarily is being used, in part, to support Mexican illegals? Once they break in to our country they and their brood sows - need lots of social benefits to supplement the off the book wages people like you, and other talking anuses, give them. I'd think this income tax charity you willingly extend would make you feel good. Perhaps it will as more and more needy break into America and extend their hand while demanding even more.
As tempting as it is for me to fly around the country to meet anonymous internet cranks...golly, well it's just so tempting. Not really.
and attempt to disprove what I said
It would be impossible for me to prove or disprove your tax compliance (let alone your income) as I don't have access to the IRS computer data base.
you contribute voluntarily
Oh boy, here we go with that tired old scheme. Yeah, the Treasury keeps SWAT teams around to deal with all those "volunteers". Heard that line a hundred times. It's bullshit no matter how much you want to believe it because right or wrong a jury will convict you and a Judge will sentence you and men with guns will escort you to a cage or put a niece yellow lien seal on your front door or both.
Once they break in to our country they
Our? I only own my piece and only tentatively if I don't mail a check twice a year.
I'd think this income tax charity you willingly extend would make you feel good. Perhaps it will as more and more needy break into America and extend their hand while demanding even more.
Because that's such a big portion of where taxes go, right? Give me an effing break. All this is about is for once in your life you've found a class of people lower on the political totem pole than you and now you actually think you have a chance to be part of a movement to have the government lord it over someone else for a change.
Government lording it over people is the opposite of what I'm about and I don't care where they were born.