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John Kaminski: "9/11 'an inside job' by the ' CHOSEN ' " Source: http://www.johnkaminski.com/ URL Source: http://www.johnkaminski.com/ Published: Nov 29, 2006 Author: John Kaminski Post Date: [Today] by Max Keywords: "9/11 'an inside job' by the ' CHOSEN ' ", http://www.johnkaminski.com/, John Kaminski John Kaminski: "9/11 'an inside job' by the ' CHOSEN ' " The unchosen road The link between trauma and enlightenment [b]By John Kaminski skylax@comcast.net 'The hearts of little children are pure, and therefore, the Great Spirit may show to them many things which older people miss.' — Black Elk (Hehaka Sapa) OGLALA LAKOTA Bless what you call your misfortune. It created the strength of your beautiful soul. — Socrates (via Voltaire, via Kaminski) Don’t let them choose it for you. You see what happens when they do. Look at the world. Choose it for yourself. Two hundred times in cyberspace I have told you the same story. I imagined myself aiming at a tree of evil and ever since have just kept firing at the trunk of the beast, aiming straight for its repulsive black heart. Each time the target gets clearer. One memetic shot that got through was “9/11 was an inside job,” thanks to a patriotic phalanx of noble souls whose questions eventually became obvious to most people in the world. How could those towers have come down at faster than freefall speed? The noise in the minds of an increasingly nervous American citizenry is getting louder. The great neocon empire is teetering, trying to put its totalitarian constraints in place before the whole bunch of them — Congress, the international bankers, even some royalty — are taken out and shot on the spot for their crimes against humanity. All Americans, now little more than sockpuppets driven by Jewish mobsters, face this probable future, as well. America is living a lie, and one day, enough people will see it to destroy it. Funny how people come up to me now and say, “John, you were right about what you said four years ago. 9/11 was a complete coverup. Our government was involved in bringing those buildings down.” What were they talking about? 9/11 was a hoax Fake terror alerts Arrest the president now! In the mouth of madness Uncle Sam wants you ... dead! Only now, they add: “You were right about what you were writing about then. But you’re wrong about what you’re writing about now ... It’s not all Jews who are the problem.” My insistence that Judaism is NOT a real religion, and therefore anyone who calls himself a Jew by definition endorses some really horrible concepts like it’s OK to lie to a non-Jew, is a true statement. The depraved situation in the world today, with big money parasites churning up those who are merely trying to live in peace, is a direct result of Jewish philosophy, and I challenge anyone to prove to me it isn’t. The well-known and much-distrusted radio talkshow host John Stadtmiller interrupted an interview I had with a Jew recently posing as a Muslim by blurting out: “We don’t want to get put on the ADL’s hit list!” Thereby revealing that the Republic Broadcasting Network (and the Genesis Communications Network as well) are clearly constrained by this Jewish media mindlock that pollutes all the information it attempts to disseminate. And why is it that so many people are talking about my personal life, but refusing to answer the questions I ask in the following essays? Not a single person — especially not a single Jew — has attempted to refute or even disagree with with the solid contentions I articulated in these pieces: The Jewish war on freedom of speech Can a Jew tell the truth? Judaism is madness The infection The sucker punch These answer is because these assertions cannot be refuted; they are an accurate description of what is happening in the world today, a description you will NEVER read in American media because American media are entirely controlled by Jewish owners. The answer is clearly given in what I have written. A Jew — any Jew! — simply CANNOT tell the truth about what Israel is doing to its neighbors, about negative Jewish influence in the United States, or about what Jews believe about non-Jews. The entire Jewish community in the United States is complicit in these crimes, as are all Americans who have supported this unjustifiable mass murder of innocents in the name of the wholly fictitious War on Terror. Upon hearing these statements, the vast majority of people (non-Jews) reflexively trip into the riff: “Well, I know a Jew who has been nice to me, so it can’t be all Jews.” And therein lies the mistake that Christianity has engendered in its adherents. Christians turn the other cheek while their Jewish overlords turn the world into a dungheap, conveniently not bound by the polite honor of honesty that shackles well-meaning people practicing real religions. Look around you. Contemplate the lies. Identify their source. Do you have the courage to transcend your conditioning and be a really free person? Or will you continue to be a slave to ideas that are not really your own? Will you let them choose your fate for you? — that’s the real question. From the perspective of a spoiled American living in a pleasant suburb and contemplating the event known as 9/11, this colossal betrayal of the American people by U.S. leaders profoundly changed the political climate of the world in five short years from one of general amity lightly oppressed by the European banker powers that be to one of strident regimentation and profligate mass murder, a frightening emphasis on reducing the population — an essential step to the health of the planet — by covert means — which is not appropriate for a truly civil society. The confusion surrounding these conflicting goals — freedom vs. health — is tearing the world apart, literally. People’s lives are unnecessarily imperiled everywhere, because a small clique imposes its own obsessive reality on the rest of us innocent bystanders. The Sun is now blotted out by chemtrails, and no politician even dares mention them. In the five years since I've been writing these hotheaded homologues, and occasionally pontificating on late night radio shows from Vancouver to Tehran, I have evolved ... ... from a general rage about what I perceived to be rampant corruption in every organization I ever encountered, to a finely honed and deeply researched view of what has happened to human society. How did we get to this pathetic pass where we are eating ourselves alive, and everything else as well? As I saw on a recent TV biography of Freud, the science of psychology is based on the notion that everybody is bad, wicked and fickle in their deepest hearts, crawling reptiles who would betray their best friend for an extra taste of soma. However, I, kind of an average guy with little discipline and a third-rate education, disagree completely. This is the Jewish hoax that has been played upon the world. We're basically happy, not evil. I don't know anyone who wouldn't instantly help someone in big trouble, like say, someone who was about to lose her life. It's part of our natures to realize we can't make this journey by ourselves, and frankly — there's something wrong with anybody who says otherwise. Yet because of insisting exactly that, I have been reviled, besmirched, lied about, banned, ignored, and every now and then correctly criticized for an error in judgment or misstatement of fact. What so badly upsets people about what I write? We have been wounded badly. It would behoove those of us who remain alive — who partake in this exquisite gift that somehow through luck or fate has been given to us — to solve this problem of manipulated carnage and chaos by treating others exactly how we would want to be treated ourselves. And if one tribe had been ripping off its neighbors for 2,500 years, how would it make amends? Could it even admit to the problem? The true test is this. Can you see the gleam in the eyes of the other? Do you understand how it would feel when your daughter bleeds to death in your arms? Or how a bereaved father might feel if he held you responsible for committing this monstrous act? Do you see how all this has been chosen for you? Your future, dear friend, can be read clearly in the radioactive dust of the Tigris-Euphrates delta, humanity’s oldest civilization now permanently poisoned DELIBERATELY at the behest of the very tribe that calls itself The Chosen. See the connection? The Chosen are a poisoned legacy, a tribe of brigands who are trying to eradicate history and rewrite it themselves. Most people have only seen the rewrite. To find the real story, think unchosen. In the words of Robert Frost, “I took the road not chosen, and that has made all the difference.” Take it now, before it’s too late. John Kaminski is a writer who lives on the Gulf Coast of Florida whose Internet essays have been seen on hundreds of websites around the world. http://www.johnkaminski.com/ Support free speech. Buy his books or send contributions through paypal to skylax@comcast.net [/b]
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What he said !!! The Jews know there is a tsunami of revulsion, swelling animus amongst the international ocean of people they consider cattle. They will pull out the heavy artillery to quiet the dissident public. Hate Speech laws and illegal invaders have "ALWAYS" been their Modus Operandi. Americans are the new Palestinians, the newly displaced Bolshevic Russians ... people first being invaded by foreigners that will eventually suffer the overthrow of everything they ever held dear. The Jews (more accurately described as Babylonian descendants) are a murderous, lying, fag infested, social disorder that sucks the life-blood out of vibrant societies through their monoploy on money first, and everything else afterward. There can be no question as to their responsibility for the design of nation state destruction. Regardless of the fact that there may be some faction within Jewry that are completely innocent of the parasitic infection transmitted through their brethern ... they all must go, whether to the abyss or Mars makes no difference. 6000 years of the same old shit should have afforded enough time for the innocent Jews to have straightened it out, they haven't. The so-called "good Jews" ride the coat tails of their venemous brethern.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
It looks like you're in the market for a Final Solution. Bigotry is usually a sign of deep insecurities. Hatred of a group (unless it's a rival sports team, of course) will not make you happy. It will only delay your necessary personal growth. If this comment strikes you as a personal attack, well, it is.
May it be so.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi
Bigotry is usually a sign of deep insecurities. Hatred of a group (unless it's a rival sports team, of course) will not make you happy. It will only delay your necessary personal growth. If this comment strikes you as a personal attack, well, it is. You expose yourself as either an idiot or a Jew boot-licker. You might as well claim that survival instincts are a sign of deep insecurities. The ability to scold those you perceive as bigots deteriorates exponentially with the increase in perpetual atrocities perpetrated publicly by Jews ... (actually Babylonian imposters). It's actually loving concern for the good people in America that causes me to hate the abominable acts of the parasitic, non-assimilating, hate-filled Jews. Please don't concern yourself with my personal growth because it appears to me concern for your own "dwarfs" mine.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
The Jews know there is a tsunami of revulsion, swelling animus amongst the international ocean of people they consider cattle. They will pull out the heavy artillery to quiet the dissident public. Hate Speech laws and illegal invaders have "ALWAYS" been their Modus Operandi. Americans are the new Palestinians, the newly displaced Bolshevic Russians ... people first being invaded by foreigners that will eventually suffer the overthrow of everything they ever held dear. The Jews (more accurately described as Babylonian descendants) are a murderous, lying, fag infested, social disorder that sucks the life-blood out of vibrant societies through their monoploy on money first, and everything else afterward. There can be no question as to their responsibility for the design of nation state destruction. Regardless of the fact that there may be some faction within Jewry that are completely innocent of the parasitic infection transmitted through their brethern ... they all must go, whether to the abyss or Mars makes no difference. 6000 years of the same old shit should have afforded enough time for the innocent Jews to have straightened it out, they haven't. The so-called "good Jews" ride the coat tails of their venemous brethern. very well put thank you sorry I am late in answering
Kaminski is a semi-literate bigot who is not worthy to lead you, and who will only lead you astray. You do your minds a disservice by paying attention to his rambling essays. Kaminski is long on rhetoric and short on facts. He is no better an historian than was Hitler, and all of his rants lead in the same direction pointed out by Adolf. Herewith one very simple way of bursting the Kaminski bubble. Ask yourself if you believe that all Jews are Zionists. After you have answered, ask yourself how many Jews are Zionists. In truth, a very small number are. Yet in Kaminski's scribblings, you will find no references to Jews who are not Zionists. The jews, for Kaminski are a Zionist monolith, fit for destruction. Logicians call this error the Fallacy of Composition. The composition fallacy is committed when a conclusion is drawn about a whole based on the features of its constituents, without justification for the inference. It is easy to see the flaw in the composition fallacy: the mere fact that certain individuals in a particular class have certain characteristics does not guarantee that every member of that class also has those characteristics. Yet every racist, bigoted argument excreted by Kaminski suffers from this Fallacy of Composition.
[Yet every racist, bigoted argument excreted by Kaminski suffers from this Fallacy of Composition.] Addressed at conclusion of response). I may read and agree with Kaminski on a variety of issues, however that doesn't qualify him as my leader. In some respects I disagree with Kaminski because he doesn't include the Biblical Scriptures in his analysis. I also think that's one reason the Christian community is always under attack by this cabal, not so much because they understand their own texts, but because irrefutable evidence lies within their texts that disqualifies the existence of the State of Israel. I have done the research (25-30 years of it) and am convinced that there has been a very organized cabal of murderous thugs acting against societies at large for 6000 years. The activities of this group have become so obvious over time that one need not be a Biblical scholar to take notice. Whether Kaminski believes that all Jews are zionists is a question you should put to him, I don't believe all Jews are zionists. I do think 90 % of the Jews are complete imposters in an ethnic sense (ashkenazim) and the other 10% are ethnically questionable. For your LOGICIANS: Jewish fables (propaganda) have allowed them to be physically expelled from over 80 nations that had afforded them refuge, yet the Jews claim persecution and bigotry were behind their removal, that all of these nations were haters of Jews for no reason and the Jews are blameless. This illogical and false notion has been successfully implanted in the minds of the masses (even in the minds of so-called Jews) for so long that it's accepted by most to be fact, the long trail of evidence and logic speaks otherwise. More for your LOGICIANS The zionazi State of Israel is such an arrogant fraud that its existence is upsetting international balance. The facts supporting such a State are non- existent and the fabled propaganda is weaker than circus lemonade, yet we never see anyone that questions this abomination portrayed as anything other than a whack job, nut case or conspiracy theorist. The Mainstream media and academia pretend and promote the concept that the zionazi residents in Palestine possess the land based upon a claim of "Right of return". This is an unproveable and absolute fraud without an iota of evidence to support it, and every Jew that has migrated there from Eastern Europe is not only a trespasser, but a mass murderer. [America and Britain share responsibility for this crime]. My opinion is that those contemplating the invasion of land others are inhabiting have a duty to determine the legitimacy of their intentions. If they intend to take the land by force of arms (conquest) then there is no need to construct a huge lie that attempts to legitimize their effort. However, that's not the case with the fake State of Israeli terror. The Zionazi liars have conscripted the misguided Christian west for the purpose of foisting this fraud upon a war wearied world through an agency (UN) of questionable legitimacy that had only been in existence for a couple of years when it issued a "mandate" establishing the so-called (zionazi) State "out of thin air", based upon mis- interpreted Biblical fables, which fables didn't even apply to 90% of the so- called Jews (Ashkenazi converts in 750 AD), which fables also require the world, including non-Christians, to accept as fact that an unwitnessed promise made to a man (Abraham) by an invisible God 4000 years ago applies to people that can't prove they qualify as descendants of this man because they aren't related. So much for logic. Recently the Iranian President commented that whether or not the Jewish halocaust claim was true or not it was irrelevant to the transfer of millions of so-called Jews (from Russia, Poland Germany etc.), to lands possessed for thousands of years by arabs. He was immediately villified as a halocaust denier ... (a mortal sin) ... when he in fact has made the most (logical) sensible statement related to that particular subject. The halocaust, if it is indeed a fact, remains a European problem that should never have affected Palestine. Whatever research Kaminski has done regarding this subject is only known to him. That doesn't mean he has or hasn't reached a logical conclusion, I believe he has done so. Kaminski states that he believes all religions are bad because they wind up being the underlying causation of wars. He's not alone in his thinking, and as a matter of fact there was a time when I felt the same way exactly. Upon further examination of the Scriptures and religions I realized my mistake was equating religiosity with Biblical scholarship and belief. I also think Kaminski would bolster his knowledge of the subject by studying the Scriptures. The "Chosen" people myth has served to condone the heinous activity of a cabal consisting of atheists and luciferians that control international economics through their banks, corporations and political parasites implementing anti- social, immoral and anti-AMERICAN laws contrary to the God given rights of humanity at large. While I wouldn't go so far as to claim that all Jews are responsible, or even that it's only Jews that have orchestrated calamity after calamity upon the world and even their own people, I would have to admit that the scheme was developed in Babylon by them, carried around the world by them through Egypt, Greece, Rome, Britain and America, and hasn't changed in 6000 years of recorded history. The so-called Jews make up an insignificant portion of the world population while at the same time create an exponentially disproportionate amount of pain and suffering through their murderous and greedy behavior and non-assimilation, to a degree that their extermination isn't an entirely illogical consideration. The so-called Jews find themselves in a nuclear world with a history of animosity towards the balance of society. I would have to compare their situation to cancer therapy. Knowing that some cancer cells are benign (harmless) and others malignant (bad) the physician has no choice other than radiating them all. I also think that in the main the so-called Jews are as ignorant of their history and Babylonian Talmud as Christians today are about their history and their Bible. I believe their upper level teachers, preachers and historians have compelled them to believe the whole world hates them for no apparent reason ... causing them to remain unassimilated and under the control of their Rabbis. This is sad, but has little to do with the cure. I don't know how the future will unfold nor what consequences the average Jew will suffer because of the Jewish leadership, the same is true with regard to Americans today, as we make up an insignificant number causing extreme hardship on the rest of the world. What stands out to me is that if one believes there will be a Kingdom of God established on this earth, it would surely require that the citizens of that Kingdom live willingly by the rules of the King. We all need to take a look at our behavior, what we support either directly or indirectly, and whether our beliefs are supported by facts and then demonstrated by our actions. [With respect to your statement about Mr. Kaminski's excretions ... me thinks thou protesteth too much ... even a broken clock has the correct time twice a day. ]
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
"Halocaust" is actually spelled "holocaust." The term is derived from the Greek holokauston, which originally meant a burnt sacrifice. Is your misspelling intentional? If so, why? Glad you came out of the closet on Christianity. If you based your three dacades of research on scripture and Christian glosses, you were sure to be misled and anti-semitic, not to mention misanthropic. The history of Christianity is one of fraud and force. Christian emperors and princes have caused more ignorance and wars than rabbis could ever have dreamed. Your Christianity was probably born from the misinterpretation, by gentiles, of semi-mythical writings of Jewish revolutionaries, who hoped to overthrow Rome's dominance. There may have been a single Jesus, who may have borrowed from Jewish mythology and rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, but it is more likely that there were many revolutionaries named Jeshua, a common name. Josephus mentions a few, although their deaths do not coincide with the mythical death of your Jesus. The one passage in Josephus that Christians claim refers to your Jesus was a later Medieval edition to the text, as it appears out of context and contains reverential language unlikely to have been written by a Jewish historian. Late classical and medieval fraud accounts for for much of what you believe about Christ. His date of birth was chosen in the fourth century, to coincide with the birthdate of Mithras and Saturnalia. Mithras (aka Mitra) was an Indo- Persian god, whose earliest archeological trace can be found on a stele which dates from 1750 B.C., before the Jews had begun to synthesize their culture. Mithras was born of a virgin, and his birth was attended by three magi ( a Persian word). He was a redeemer, and rose from the dead to join his divine father, Ahura-Mazda. Other similarities may be found in the dozens of books that are available on Mithras. Websites abound. In "Contra Celsus," the Church father Origen quoted at length from the pagan father Celsus' treatise, "Against Christians," and attempted a refutation of Celsus views. One of Celsus' arguments was that the Christians had merely borrowed the characteristics of Christ from earlier pagan myths, such as that of Mithras. Origen did not dispute thaqt Mithras pre-figured Christ. Instead, he contended that Satan had planted these false pagan Christ-figures in the minds of humans, before the time of Christ, in order to confuse potential Christians! Any inconvenient facts can be explained away with the devil! Medieval christian monks forged many important documents, the most fascinating of which was the Donation of Constantine, by which the Pope claimed ownership of vast territories. Pope Sylvester, according to this document, was given th Papal Estates and other land by Constantine. The forgery was not discovered until the fifteenth century, when Lorenzo Valla proved it was forgery, probably dating to the eighth century, when Pepin the Short pretended to "restore" Constantines's donated territory to Pope Stephen II, in return for his anointing of Pepin as king of the Franks! While no fraud was too great for the Christians, no crime was too violent for them, either. In the fourth and fifth centuries, the Church, backed by the Emperor, destroyed the whole of Western reco-Roman civilization, by outlawing pagan worship, destroying and looting pagan temples, the repositories of Pagan wealth, closing pagan schools and libraries, destroying pagan baths and public buildings, burnning pagan books, and lynching Pagan prists and philosophers. The dark ages were no accident. They were heaven on earth to the Christians. All of society and government was organized on Chrisitan principles. Literacy was restricted to the clergy. Science and technology withered on the vine. Philosophy became not the handmaiden of religion, but its whore. Personal hygiene was all but abandoned. This state of affairs endured until the Crusades brought knights into contact with Greek and Roman classics that had been preserved by muslims, and returning crusaders inspired Western scholars to search for classics that had been hidden away in monasteries, for centuries, used only for the occasional palimpset. Abandon this canker on your brain, this Christianity. Look not in Matthew for your views on Joos. You may rightly complain that America has a useless and counterproductive alliance with Israel, a state born of fraud and force and the diplacement of innocent Palestinians, a crime as great as the Holocaust. But as you complain, your arguments will be weakened to the extent that you attribute the sins of Zionists to all Jews.
(Plagiarism ???) While no fraud was too great for the Christians, no crime was too violent for them, either. In the fourth and fifth centuries, the Church, backed by the Emperor, destroyed the whole of Western reco-Roman civilization, by outlawing pagan worship, destroying and looting pagan temples, the repositories of Pagan wealth, closing pagan schools and libraries, destroying pagan baths and public buildings, burnning pagan books, and lynching Pagan prists and philosophers. Your presumptions about my being Christian fail to make a distinction between Christianity (Religiosity) and Scriptural study (scholarship) ... you sound like every other zionazi apologist. Rome's dominance as well as their Inquisitions were Jew orchestrated, so much for your theory. Torquemada was a Jew killing "Jews". [Just like the so- called "Halo" caust ... a self-inflicted false flag op, more Jews killing Jews]. Constantine blended so-called Christianity with Roman paganism ... and you are a fool. Christianity as promoted by the "ROMAN" Catholic Church is paganism based upon Mithraism. Early converts to Jesus' instruction were charged with capital crimes by Rome under Emperor Claudius ie., Caractacus, Gladys, Priscilla etc. As early as 41 AD long before Constantine paganized the church he (Claudius) was attacking Jesus' followers in Britain. Babylon, Mother of Harlots can count Rome and the Catholic Church as offspring. The same Baal worshipping priests, the same beanies, the same banking practices and the same penchant for murder and spying all satisfy the Jew M.O. Did you notice that Heinz Kissinger will now be a foreign policy advisor to the Pope ? The Pope will reside in Jerusalem some day in the future with a little help from his "friends" ... the Jews. You should waste time converting brainwashed Jews who have been more manipulated than the goyim ... I ain't buyin !
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
Word of advice: don't debate the mentally ill. No matter what historical event you bring up they can just say "A Jew was behind it". It's a default position for them you are wasting your time to overcome. If you corner them they just say your part of the conspiracy. Loser crackpots who need some grand conspiracy to explain their lot in life.
Those that attempt to minimize or negate the obvious are in need of as much help as those that just make things up.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
While this may hold true in a general sense, it can't be accepted as unequivocable ... Maybe I'm insane but could you please explain how over 80 countries that had to expel the Jews were all bigots and the Jews blameless ... and if you can explain that, please explain why Russian Jews were moved to Palestine by the millions because Hitler allegedly killed some in Poland and Germany ? I know those are "crazy" inquiries that no self respecting Jew would feel an obligation to answer.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
"Had to"? Were these Christian and Moslem nations?
Great post. Have you read "Creation" by Gore Vidal. It's a great account of a Greek who travels around the world, Persia, India, China during the Classical PreChristian era.
This may be an interesting take on Roman history. You seem to assume a continuity between the pre-Constantine emperors and Constantine. It seems that you are arguing that when attempts to stamp out Christianity failed, Constantine paganized it. I've never seen this contention in print before. Perhaps you have a point. Perhaps you have the makings of a phd thesis there. Your purpose seems to be to distinguish pre-Constantinian Chritianity from what followed, perhaps because you are a devotee of the Church Fathers and one of the brands of Christianity they practiced. Which one of the many brands of pre- Constantine christianithy have you chosen? All but Athenasius' Christianity are branded heresies by the Catholics, but that wouldn't be your litmus test, anyway. Which brand have you chosen? While you admit that Christianity, as it evolved in the Fourth century, was based in large part upon Mithraism, but you seem also to deny that there existed parallels between Christianity and Mithraism before the fourth century. Perhaps you were unaware that Celsus pointed out those parallels in the second century.
Sometimes it's the only game in town.
Thanks. I'll check it out.
If you google "Christ Krishna" you get a lot of info, some derisory, some highlighting the similarities between the two. Viewzone has articles by Matlock highlighting the common roots of the etymology, Khristo/Krishna if nothing else, are amusing and fun to read, including aBRAHAM, Brahma. Might get me thrown outta church, tho.
I view Celsus as the father of the conservative movement.
Why so?
"16 Crucified Saviors" is an interesting read.
curious that you, Smokin, would label noone222 mentally ill for an opinion that he holds--one that seems to me is based on extensive research and study. because he differs in his interpretation of scripture and opinion from you, that makes him mentally ill? please. i, for one, have enjoyed reading the debate between noone222 and leveller. they are both very articulate.... and, this is a discussion board afterall.
He's a Platonist. I'm in the camp that views Plato as a conservative philosophical foundation although not as explicit about societal conservatism. Other than that take a passage commenting on the Jewish order: As the Jews, then, became a peculiar people, and enacted laws in keeping with the customs of their country, and maintain them up to the present time, and observe a mode of worship which, whatever be its nature, is yet derived from their fathers, they act in these respects like other men, because each nation retains its ancestral customs, whatever they are, if they happen to be established among them. And such an arrangement appears to be advantageous, not only because it has occurred to the mind of other nations to decide some things differently, but also because it is a duty to protect what has been established for the public advantage" Has quite a Conservative ring to it to me. And then this about the new Christians: "Let the second party come forward; and I shall ask them whence they come, and whom they regard as the originator of their ancestral customs. They will reply, No one, because they spring from the same source as the Jews themselves, and derive their instruction and superintendence from no other quarter, and notwithstanding they have revolted from the Jews." He's not exactly a fan of people getting uppity and stepping outside of the natural hierarchy.
Noone222, myself, and several others have made statements about this several times on 4um.... The facts supporting this are easily discerned by anyone willing to do a little study. Having said that, when it comes to this issue of "jews" I have to ask - WHY is it that a group which comprises only 2% of the American population manages to hold a much higher percentage of the offices in congress? Not to mention other positions of "high authority", like Chertoff? What about other positions - Wolfowitz (went from Deputy Secretary, Department of Defense to President of World Bank); Zhakeim (was comptroller of Pentagon, under whose watch some $3 Trillion went amiss); Elliott Abrams (Director of the National Security Council's Office for Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations). These last 3 were also signers of the now-famous PNAC document pre-9/11 calling for a "New Pearl Harbor"... Silverstein sure made out like a bandit with the Trade Center deal on his insurance payoff didn't he??? Isn't Silvserstein a jew??? Make no mistake. This group (jews) are pernicious parasites that WILL destroy everything the founding fathers of this country put in place for us.
No absurdity is so palpable but that it may be firmly planted in the human head if you only begin to inculcate it before age five, by constantly repeating it with an air of great solemnity. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Jack Abramoff's trogdylites have more humanity in their little finger than his entire family have combined. And therein lies the mistake that Christianity has engendered in its adherents. Christians turn the other cheek while their Jewish overlords turn the world into a dungheap, conveniently not bound by the polite honor of honesty that shackles well-meaning people practicing real religions. So many immigrants from other cultures have taken advantage of this inherent Christian "weakness" in our culture.
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." (2). While you admit that Christianity was based in large part upon Mithraism you seem also to deny that there existed parallels between Christianity and Mithraism before the fourth century. (3). Which brand have you chosen? (1). Correct ... whether I would call it my purpose is questionable, but I do see a definite distinction between Christianity and Bible belief. Christians have a Bible that has an inch of dust on it, practice pagan rituals and holidays, and are not overly concerned with what it actually says in it. Christianity has become a "big tent" social event ... while Bible Study is a serious approach to learning how to live ones life. (2). I do not deny that Mithraism and Christianity share parallels. Christianity has too many parallels with Mithraism to be accidental and my opinion is that Christianity as we know it, as it is preached and promoted is simply a variation of Mithraism. That's not to say that the original followers of the Messiah (regardless of what his name actually was) were liars or that he didn't exist. I think most of those involved were killed by those that their beliefs threatened. (3). I have chosen to admit my ignorance with an objective focused upon truth. I haven't chosen a brand. My parents chose Brand X Catholicism for me as an infant. The hypocrisy and anti-biblical practices of that institution caused my departure before high school. I'm of the opinion that some Scriptures are tainted in both Old and New Testaments, (politics and "compelling governmental interests" are as old as the Bible) ... but not all of them. I think the Book of Esther is completely fraudulent. I think Paul's writings have been altered or are false. I am of the opinion that many of the texts, especially old testament texts have been verified through archaeological dicoveries while others like Esther have no hint of authenticity. The "brands" of religion available do not appeal to me at all. On the other hand, I am obsessed with studying the scriptures. I find the New Wave / New Testament Churches are too inclined to spiritualize everything and introduce doctrines and theories like the rapture of their own device regardless of what Scripture states. Lastly, modern churches and their preachers are hypocrits. I get enough of that from politicians and lawyers.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
What evidence is there for this statement? The council of Nicaea resulted in a victory of Athenasius over Arius, but no new doctrinal material came from the council. The Nicene Creed is but a summary of the pre-extant beliefs of one strand of Christianity. Constantine merely required Christians to choose one strand among many, aparenly because he wanted an eligibility test for the tax exemptions he had foolishly enacted. He thus touched off wars between Arians and the Athenasians that would convert or exterminate them. To say that Constantine paganized Christianity is to ignore the evidence that Christianity was itself a counterfeit of Pagan religions.
Why do Asians do so well in academic and scientific pursuits?
A life based upon the Old Testament would be a life filled with murder, rape, robbery, incest, and other crimes. A life based upon the New Testament would be filled with poverty of mind and body. Paul wanted to destoy the wisdom of the wise, and his intellectual (using that word loosely ) descendants, like Augustine, succeeded in doing just that, when the Christian Emperors destroyed Western civilization. Even Oprah and Dr. Phil could do better.
I 2nd that motion. In my nearly 12 years of listening to alternate radio, Kaminski was by far and away the most egregious divider I've heard. He should be treated like radio-isotope. I have little to no hope of ever unifying with the remnant of us that ‘gets it’, but Kaminski makes any such union impossible. I trust him as far as I can throw him
Simple. Asians are prepped, prodded and pushed to learn the things they need to know for these fields. Jews are prepped, prodded and brought into positions of power by those before them Many Americans are plopped down infront of a video game, never EXPECTED to excel, held back from criticism for fear of "hurting thier feelings" and then we wonder why our younger generation does not excel. It is all a matter of learned behavior.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
There's more. When asians arrived they were given many handouts; check the SSI rolls in L.A - disproportionately asian. And consider that the asian students who come here for free university educations are their brightest, not their average. Half of their populations are illiterate - those are not the ones they test and send here. Then, as you say, they are very ethnocentric and very much supportive within their group. Furthermore, they have small business and other rackets, where they burn their own businesses to collect insurance. Also car accident/doctor insurance schemes.
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." agreed, there is MUCH more. I am glad that you see it. I fear that there is far more going on then even we realize, and sometimes I fear that we may not realize in time............ Not just the Asians, also the Jews, and many secret organizations. There are people out there writing the music, and we the orchestra, simply follow the conductors instructions and for the most part keep our mouths shut.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
And consider that the asian students who come here for free university educations are their brightest, not their average. Half of their populations are illiterate - those are not the ones they test and send here. i had no idea.
(2). A life based upon the New Testament would be filled with poverty of mind and body. Paul wanted to destoy the wisdom of the wise, and his intellectual (using that word loosely ) descendants, like Augustine, succeeded in doing just that, when the Christian Emperors destroyed Western civilization. Even Oprah and Dr. Phil could do better. (1). Life is filled with murder, rape, robbery, incest and other crimes today just as it was in that era. There's nothing new under the sun. What one chooses to learn doesn't necessarily mean ones life is "based" upon the information, even though the information will likely be considered in the decision making process. My personal search has been more directed at determining genetic relationships that might provide evidence contradicting standard/popular theoretical conclusions regarding the historical outgrowth of the descendants of Noah. What I had glossed over (Genesis/geneologies) because of its repetitive nature and because my understanding was limited to "Christianized" thinking eventually became a primary area of investigation. I hadn't thought it important to know who screwed who and had children etc., since my "Christianized" understanding initially was that these ancient Partriarchs and their children were all Jews and their history had nothing to do with me. I was wrong and so is most everyone that conforms to the standard teachings of the modern era church. I would ask myself ... what does all of this geneology have to do with me, and more importantly what does this Bible have to do with me. I didn't approach Bible Study as an exercise in spiritual growth, I approached it as a means of trying to understand many "Christian" myths and the absurdity we call the State of Israel, the history leading up to its establishment, the parties involved and their historical roots. Over time I began to see trends. While Christians were being taught to love and respect Jews, Jews were always attacking Christians, Christian values and even Jesus. After all the Jews had him killed after stating clearly "let his blood be upon us and our children's children". [According to the New Testament]. I couldn't understand why such animosity was held for Jesus by the Jews. I also noticed that the abortion doctors were usually Jews, planned parenthood was run by Jews, the banks were run by Jews, the ACLU was run by Jews, the media was run by Jews including the worst programming that generally denegrated morality, family life, or promoted immorality was usually produced by people with Jewish names, the Mafia was run by Jews and increasingly our government was being run by Jews. Of course the masses were content to consume the products provided. At any rate I wanted to know more about this small minority wielding so much influence upon our society that I perceived as mostly negative. The Scriptures make it possible to know that these same people have operated the same scheme throughout recorded history and have fine tuned it to such sophistication that they are able to enslave entire societies without their knowledge and even get them to finance their own destruction. John Kaminski's writings weren't originally critical of Jews specifically, he simply pointed out a variety of problems and the hypocrisy surrounding them. Gradually he began to attach names with events and eventually arrived at his own conclusions based upon secular evidence unsupported by Biblical reference, which would add credence to his findings that I believe are more conclusive and give him pause to consider the relevance of Scriptural history that he ignores while blaming religions for the universal religious war unfolding. (2). Christianity has really become Paulianity. Paul was the Michael Chertoff of his day, the Secretary of Rome-land Security. He was tutored by Gamaliel, the leading Pharisee of his day and killed many Christians. Because his writings often conflict or are easily taken out of context, I tend to read them with care. After all he was a murderer. The New Testament should be able to survive an exception to Paul's writings, it's the Christian religionists that can't. Preachers today tend to promote the saved by grace theory which is more inclusive and increases their odds for a larger collection plate, to the exclusion of good works or deeds. Paul's writings are generally relied upon for supporting this notion ... which is and always has been a central point of contention within the church ... and I'm not getting into that pissing contest. I'm simply pointing out that religionists and greedy ministers have an agenda dependent upon Paul and I don't. There's a New Testament Scripture that will surely give people a sick feeling in their stomach someday should things play out prophetically. It goes like this: Many will stand in judgment on that day claiming to have cast out demons in my name, and having healed the sick in my name, to whom I shall say "Depart from me, I never knew you" ! Oops, this has to be the churches/religionists ... At any rate I try to approach things with humility and an objective state of mind, applying logic and facts to truth. When an overwhelming amount of data repeatedly incriminates a particular group, and specific statements of Scripture stand in support of that data, I am convinced. (3). I don't watch Oprah or Dr. Bill ... you may be right, I can't comment.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
The facts are out there for anyone to put together. http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=6407 Every day, countless commentators prophesize the ascendance of the world's next superpowers, China and India, the two "Asian giants" shaking off their ancient slumber and rising to the call of the 21st century. According to popular punditry, their place in the firmament of globalization's success stories is already guaranteed. Yet economist Pranab Bardhan argues that a much more complicated picture belies the rosy visions of optimists. In China, rural and urban inequality grows at alarming rates, stirring unrest amongst those hundreds of millions who remain impoverished. In fact, China, responsible for only 6 percent of world trade, has actually lost manufacturing jobs in the past ten years. Meanwhile, India's much-vaunted hi-tech sector accounts for less than one quarter of one percent of the country's labor force. The nation still boasts the world's highest illiteracy rate, while poverty reduction continues to slow. In short, Bardhan suggests, only patience and struggle – not destiny – can guide India and China to the level of superpowers. – YaleGlobal Also, regarding the insurance scams I mentioned too; these are well-known but not talked about ways certain groups create "seed money". To confirm this, ask someone in the FBI. I worked with a Reservist (who I hope is not serving in Iraq), who worked with the FBI to uncover one such group in a sting operation. It's an epidemic he said, and the FBI is fully aware. And in the mid-90s the L.A. Times published the SSI stats. Fully one-third were asian, yet they were less than 10% of the population.
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." What evidence is there for this statement? I merely copied that statement from a reply you had made. When Mithraism was still known by that name, it had it's largest following in Rome - right alongside Christianity. The two had much more in common than in difference. If fact, the major difference was that Mithraism was a male-only group. But Mithraism (though possibly having the larger following of the two) suddenly dissapeared, almost overnight. This happened during the "reign" of Constantine - and I (as well as a few others) am convinced that it didn't disappear, but was merged with Christianity. But there is no doubt that Christianity as was being practiced pre-merger was a paganistic practice. I do NOT believe that the apostles or disciples of the Messiah were Christians. It's interesting to note that never once did any of the apostles or disciples of the Messiah call themselves Christians, but were called that by OTHERS... Just because someone else calls you a name doesn't necessarily mean that they're right. Now, back to the Jew thing. Most of the Jews of today are Ashkenazi Jews, something on the order of 90%. Just who are these people? Are YOU one of them? We see something interesting in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 In Chapter 2 we see "the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan." In Chapter 3 we see "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Apparently there are people out there that claim to be Jews, and are NOT. These people are LIARS, and have perpetrated what is arguably the world's biggest case of identity theft. These people are the Ashkenazi Jews. They are the ones that cry out "Anti Semitism" all the time. And yet, they are NOT semites!!! Semites are the descendants of Shem - and it includes Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel, and the 12 sons of Jacob/Israel. Semites are NOT descendants of Ashkenaz - as Ashkenaz was the grandson of Japheth, Shem's brother. (Magog was a son of Japheth - what does that say for that lineage?) These Ashkenazi Jews are NOT of the line of Judah, they are merely converts to Judaism - and follow the Talmud, which was brought with them out of Babylon. THEY ARE OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN!!!! And this is 90% of the Jews out there!!!! If anyone has a right to cry out "Anti Semitism", it's the descendants of Jacob/Israel for what these lying worshippers of Satan that call themselves Jews have done to them!!! And these Jews have spun their tale so cleverly they have deceived nearly the entire world... It has been said that money is the root of all evil; and if you trace the "money trail", it inevitably leads to Jews. So I would have to concur with anyone that says that the world would be better off if Jews were eliminated (the Ashkenazi Jews at least). We already have enough problems going on, and the likelihood that most of them are caused by the synagogue of Satan is high. And the synagogue of Satan is sure to cause even more problems as time goes on. I also believe that this "elimination" won't happen until GOD HIMSELF does it (and He promised He would) during the time of the tribulation, prior to the reign of peace. OH - BTW, I also believe there will be a lot of Christians surprised during that time too....
No absurdity is so palpable but that it may be firmly planted in the human head if you only begin to inculcate it before age five, by constantly repeating it with an air of great solemnity. - Arthur Schopenhauer
robin, real life experience taught me that what you're saying is fact. Chinatown in NYC has three things that standout in my mind; 1) an insulated community suspicious of all things Western. They have brought their culture here and there is no effort to integrate into American society 2) a youth gang problem that is fueled by narcotics, gambling, and knockoff designer clothing/assorted sundries 3) fake accidents, law suits, insurance scams, etc. just as you mentioned above. This mess might make some misguided, quasi wannabe anarchists happy, but it makes me sorry we’re losing our nation.
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=40451&Disp=36#C36 Members of my family have had honest conversations with asians who have done this for "seed money" for the group. And as I posted at this link, the FBI is fully aware.
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." John Hagee, is the Israeli-Fascist preacher from Texas that has been a featured guest on several talk radio shows recently attempting to mislead people regarding prophecies contained in Revelations and the Book of Daniel. These prophecies combine to detail last days events and name the major players, some of which Hagee fails to mention. Those he fails to mention are "Gomer and his bands" and Togarmah. [Kinfolk of Ashkenaz unrelated to Israel or even Judah] The relevance of these unmentioned families is that they are all related to Ashkenaz through Gog, Magog and Japeth. These are the bad guys that gang up on Israel at Armageddon. Hagee references the attack and attackers as they are described in the Book of Ezekiel, however he conveniently leaves out Ashkenaz and his descendants, as well as a complete description of the place wherein the attack takes place ... which is described as a land at rest/peace, a land of unwalled villages, with much cattle in its midst. [Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the so-called State of Israel isn't any of these things.] The attackers of Israel that Hagee fails to mention when he's revving the Israeli-Fascist attack engine are the people that today call themselves "Jews" that are ethnically Ashkenazi Germans that converted to Babylonian Talmudic/Judaism in 750 A.D. What this means is that the prophecies of Scripture indicate that the Ashkenazi (Jews) and their descendants will attack Israel. So, either it's a suicide or the parties have been confused, the Ashkenazi Jews and Israel are enemies. Hagee and his lying ilk have to know this because the genetics are laid out plainly at Genesis 10:3 where the reader will find everyone named in Ezekiel 37- 38 & 39 as enemies of Israel are desceded from Japeth-Gog-Magog and ASHKENAZ, where we get the term Ashkenazi Jew. The Scriptures tell us that the people of the earth will be under a grand delusion in the end times ... I think the confusion related to the Ashkenazi Synagogue of Satan being mis-identified as Israel is it. You can search the Old Testament until the Rapture doesn't happen and you will be unable to find any mention of a Synagogue in the Old Testament ... because Israelites never worshipped in one ... the Synagogue is a product of BABYLON. (get it, Babylonian Talmud, Babylon, Mystery Babylon, Mother of Harlots (whore religious offspring) Mystery Religions, Cabbala, Popes, Emperors and Pharoahs ... all the fucking same.} Another not so insignificant notion related to anti-semitism is that the Arabs are truly semites descended from Shem, through Abraham/Hagar ... the original Arab being Ishmael. So, Rush, Beck, Savage, Medved and Hannity are spewing anti- semetic venom everyday when they disparage the Arab community like rabid dogs.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
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#2. To: noone222 (#1)
#3. To: Max (#0)
The noise in the minds of an increasingly nervous American citizenry is getting louder. The great neocon empire is teetering, trying to put its totalitarian constraints in place before the whole bunch of them — Congress, the international bankers, even some royalty — are taken out and shot on the spot for their crimes against humanity.
#4. To: leveller (#2)
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It looks like you're in the market for a Final Solution.
#5. To: noone222 (#1)
What he said !!!
#6. To: noone222, Max, angle (#4)
#7. To: leveller (#6)
Kaminski is a semi-literate bigot who is not worthy to lead you, and who will only lead you astray.
#8. To: noone222 (#7)
#9. To: leveller (#8)
Your Christianity was probably born from the misinterpretation, by gentiles, of semi-mythical writings of Jewish revolutionaries, who hoped to overthrow Rome's dominance.
#10. To: leveller (#8)
#11. To: SmokinOPs, leveller, noone222 (#10)
Word of advice: don't debate the mentally ill.
#12. To: SmokinOPs (#10)
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No matter what historical event you bring up they can just say "A Jew was behind it".
#13. To: noone222 (#12)
Maybe I'm insane but could you please explain how over 80 countries that had to expel the Jews were all bigots and the Jews blameless ...
#14. To: leveller, aristeides (#8)
The dark ages were no accident
#15. To: noone222 (#9)
Constantine blended so-called Christianity with Roman paganism ... and you are a fool. Christianity as promoted by the "ROMAN" Catholic Church is paganism based upon Mithraism. Early converts to Jesus' instruction were charged with capital crimes by Rome under Emperor Claudius ie., Caractacus, Gladys, Priscilla etc. As early as 41 AD long before Constantine paganized the church he (Claudius) was attacking Jesus' followers in Britain.
#16. To: SmokinOPs (#10)
Word of advice: don't debate the mentally ill.
#17. To: swarthyguy (#14)
"Creation" by Gore Vidal
#18. To: leveller (#8)
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#19. To: leveller (#8)
the pagan father Celsus
#20. To: SmokinOPs (#19)
I view Celsus as the father of the conservative movement
#21. To: swarthyguy (#18)
Christ Krishna"
#22. To: SmokinOps, noone222, leveller (#9)
#23. To: leveller (#20)
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#24. To: leveller (#15)
Constantine paganized it. I've never seen this contention in print before.
#25. To: Max, *US is Proxy State For Israel* (#0)
'The hearts of little children are pure, and therefore, the Great Spirit may show to them many things which older people miss.' — Black Elk (Hehaka Sapa) OGLALA LAKOTA
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973
#26. To: leveller (#15)
(1). Your purpose seems to be to distinguish pre-Constantinian Chritianity from what followed ...
#27. To: innieway (#24)
Constantine paganized it.
#28. To: innieway (#24)
WHY is it that a group which comprises only 2% of the American population manages to hold a much higher percentage of the offices in congress? Not to mention other positions of "high authority", like Chertoff?
#29. To: noone222 (#26)
Bible Study is a serious approach to learning how to live ones life.
#30. To: leveller (#6)
Kaminski is a semi-literate bigot who is not worthy to lead you, and who will only lead you astray. You do your minds a disservice by paying attention to his rambling essays. Kaminski is long on rhetoric and short on facts. He is no better an historian than was Hitler, and all of his rants lead in the same direction pointed out by Adolf.
#31. To: leveller (#28)
Why do Asians do so well in academic and scientific pursuits?
#32. To: ladybug (#31)
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973
#33. To: robin (#32)
There's more.
#34. To: robin (#32)
When asians arrived they were given many handouts; check the SSI rolls in L.A - disproportionately asian.
#35. To: leveller (#29)
(1). A life based upon the Old Testament would be a life filled with murder, rape, robbery, incest, and other crimes.
#36. To: christine (#34)
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---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973
#37. To: leveller (#27)
Constantine paganized it.
#38. To: robin, all (#32)
Furthermore, they have small business and other rackets, where they burn their own businesses to collect insurance. Also car accident/doctor insurance schemes.
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#38)
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973
#40. To: innieway, leveller (#37)
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as Ashkenaz was the grandson of Japheth, Shem's brother. (Magog was a son of Japheth - what does that say for that lineage?)
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