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Title: What is lawful in democracy, isn't necessarily moral, Brit archbishop tells gov’t leaders
Source: Catholic Online
URL Source: http://www.catholic.org/internation ... ternational_story.php?id=22145
Published: Nov 29, 2006
Author: staff
Post Date: 2006-11-29 23:13:45 by gargantuton
Keywords: None
Views: 162
Comments: 7

What is lawful in democracy, isn't necessarily moral, Brit archbishop tells gov’t leaders

11/29/2006

Catholic Online

BIRMINGHAM, England (Catholic Online) – What is lawful is not necessarily moral, an English Catholic archbishop told government leaders in a pointed message that claimed that secular democracy today is engaged in an intense, aggressive reshaping of society’s moral landscape.

In a Nov. 26 homily on the feast of Christ of King during the annual Civic Mass at St. Chad’s Cathedral here, Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Birmingham told gathered politicians and members of the local judiciary, fire and police departments, public services and religious leaders from various faith communities that civic life extends to more than political life, connecting to “the ordinary life of its citizens, to the different qualities and dimensions that make up our common effort, our common good.”

While noting that the process of political democracy provides “a framework of laws and revenues within which we pursue our stated aims,” the archbishop stressed that civic life’s essence is found in the “recognition that our dreams can only be made real through thorough cooperation and partnership between us all.”

In working toward a “vision of a better world,” he stressed society’s hope should be centered on the human person. “It is not a vision of outstanding technological innovation, claiming to solve our problems; nor is it a vision of a political master plan; nor a presentation of overwhelming firepower. No, it is a person,” he said. “Our hope, our future, lies within the human person,” said Archbishop Nichols, chairman of the Catholic Education Service, an agency of the Bishops' Conference of England and Wales. “Within the great dignity and genius of each person lies the resources and potential on which we can build our true future.” For the Christian, he noted, Jesus Christ points the way that “finds an echo in every heart.”

“He tells us that love is our highest aspiration. He tells us that self-sacrifice is the highest expression of love. He tells us that out of that love is born a profound reverence and respect for all life, especially human life, and particularly when that human life is most vulnerable,” he said. “Out of that self-giving love is born a passion for justice and a yearning for lasting peace between people.”

“His witness gives a clear shape to our task as a society. If we are to build the togetherness we desire, the good life that we can share, we have to realize that it is, unambiguously, an enterprise of love, of sacrifice, of justice and peace. It is, unambiguously a moral enterprise,” the Birmingham archbishop said.

Yet, he said, many today suggest that society’s “common enterprise” can be conducted within a morally neutral framework, where “moral judgment is a private matter, not to be brought into the public or, especially, the political arena.”

“Indeed the secular agenda seems to propose that all we need is the clarification of what is lawful. But that is not so. Those who are elected to fashion our laws are not elected to be our moral tutors,” he said.

“But when our moral vision has been neglected, or even marginalized, then the temptation to rely on the law as the moral guide becomes, for some, irresistible.”

He pointed to issues surrounding “the beginnings and endings of human life,” such as abortion, euthanasia and human cloning, and the “moral equivalence being forced upon us” between traditional and same-sex marriage where “public opinion and medical technology are invoked as a basis for coming to a judgment about the quality and worth of the life of another person.”

“The process of secular democracy in our country at this time, while claiming to act disinterestedly and in a morally neutral fashion, is in fact engaged in an intense and at times aggressive reshaping of our moral framework,” Archbishop Nichols said.

In contrast, he said, “all the great religious faiths all present in this city” agree “that moral norms cannot be decided by the ballot box of Parliamentary debate.”

“That is not a way for arriving at the truth of our human condition or at a full understanding of our needs and potential,” he said. “Rather, in these impenetrable matters … we need both faith and reason for this enterprise.”

Acknowledging that those in government have “a growing respect for the contribution made by the faith communities,” the archbishop stressed that those resources cannot be made when the government imposes “conditions which contradict our moral values.”

“It is simply unacceptable to suggest that the resources of the faith communities, whether in schools, adoption agencies, welfare programs, halls and shelters can work in cooperation with public authorities only if the faith communities accept not simply a legal framework but also the moral standards at present being touted by government,” he said. “That is the road to the damaging of key partnerships. And what will suffer is our common good.”

Further, he said, as “our society is moving into a postsecular phase,” faith communities can help by underpinning “with insight and vision the mutual respect we need in our world.”

“Indeed unless the roots of this respect in religious faith are acknowledged and nurtured, then it will soon be gone,” he said. Archbishop Nichols added that the more and the more clearly faith communities express themselves and cooperate together, “the less possible it is for those who wish to do harm to use religious faith as a cloak for their violent intent.”

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#1. To: gargantuton, bluedogtxn (#0)

What is lawful in democracy, isn't necessarily moral,

Here is a little more of that "realpolitik" which has become raison d'être in the globaloney lexicon of the present Orwellian nightmare.

"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-11-29   23:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BTP Holdings (#1)

The good cop / bad cop routine has just about run its course ... why doesn't this pontificating old fool arrest some of the paedophilic body snatchers in his midst.

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined."

Patrick Henry

noone222  posted on  2006-11-30   5:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#1)

What is lawful in democracy, isn't necessarily moral, Here is a little more of that "realpolitik" which has become raison d'être in the globaloney lexicon of the present Orwellian nightmare.

I'm not sure what you are referencing as "realpolitik", here. I don't find much to disagree with in the essay?

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-11-30   11:12:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: gargantuton (#0) (Edited)

“Our hope, our future, lies within the human person,” said Archbishop Nichols, chairman of the Catholic Education Service, an agency of the Bishops' Conference of England and Wales.

Humanism is the standard view of the modern churchianity utopians ... when 6000 years of humanism has only made things worse.

50 years ago we had very few shrinks, and far fewer nut cases, derelicts and seratonin uptake inhibitor swallowing junkies ... a period some might describe as "Happy Days" ... today we have almost as many shrinks as we have lawyers ... we're totally screwed !!!

This comment is not meant to disparage any hard working and ethical shrinks, especially those unwilling to turn their patient histories over to the courts ... which act circumvents the right not to incriminate ones self.

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined."

Patrick Henry

noone222  posted on  2006-11-30   11:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: bluedogtxn, noone222 (#3)

I'm not sure what you are referencing as "realpolitik", here. I don't find much to disagree with in the essay?

Here is one example. Also see noone222's #4 for another.

It's more of that "perception" thing of which you seem to think so highly. It's a recipe for self-delusion, which is a negative aspect of morality. And, of course, the sheeple swallow it and keep going, all while our culture and civilizaton crumble around us.

"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-11-30   14:36:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings (#5)

6000 years of humanism has only made things worse...

6000 years ago things were better?

For whom, pray tell? The Egyptian Kings who shit in holes and lost all their teeth by age 20 but who at least had slaves to kill or screw at their whim? Or maybe the slaves themselves who might live to be "old" at 40?

6000 years ago life sucked. It sucked for everyone; although to the privileged it sucked less in relative terms to their slaves. 10,000 years ago the tribes of the Western US who built such wonderful cliff houses and such ate foreigners who they caught in their territories for dinner. Not ceremonially, but for dinner.

1000 years ago about a third of the population of Europe died from a rat borne plague.

200 years ago the average American was just barely above five feet tall because of nutritional deficiencies. You can see it in the little bitty beds they used to call "King Sized" back then. Infant mortality was in the fortieth percentile or higher.

50 years ago diptheria, cholera, tuberculosis and polio regularly killed and crippled millions. There were places in the US where older Americans still ate dog food and children still starved to death. Ed Gein was making women disappear around his Wisconsin farm, skinning them and wearing their skins while eating their flesh.

When, pray tell, would you posit things were better, and when did they start "going downhill"?

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-11-30   14:53:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: bluedogtxn (#6)

Ed Gein was making women disappear around his Wisconsin farm, skinning them and wearing their skins while eating their flesh.

Now I see where you get that voracious appetite and those cute little loin cloths !

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined."

Patrick Henry

noone222  posted on  2006-11-30   16:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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