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Title: Is It Fascism Yet?
Source: 10zenmonkeys.com
URL Source: http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/11/28/is-it-fascism-yet/
Published: Nov 30, 2006
Author: RU Sirius
Post Date: 2006-11-30 01:06:29 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 89
Comments: 1

Is It Fascism Yet?

By RU Sirius
November 28th, 2006

Bush Salute

In 2005, Lewis Lapham, former Editor of Harper’s magazine, and a towering figure in “relatively mainstream” American journalism, wrote an editorial for Harpers, titled, Welcome to American Fascism.

The notion that America is now a fascist state is pretty widespread among dissident types, mostly on the left, but some also on the right. Various lists have been floating around that try to define what qualities make for a fascist state; the general implication being that the United States, under Bush, qualifies. One popular idea is that Mussolini reduced fascism down to corporatism. In point of fact, Mussolini’s vision

seems to have been of a highly disciplined martial society — a culture of spiritual warriors that doesn’t readily equate with a corpulent culture where most “fascists” are happy to dial up Fox News on the remote and leave the discipline and self-sacrifice to a small, underpaid sector of the underclass.

I thought it would be interesting to ask a few folks representing a variety of views whether they think America is now a fascist state. Somewhere in the back of my mind, was the auxiliary question, “Does it matter?” In other words, certain levels of repression and intolerance are being manifested in various public, political, and legal spheres. If we can legitimately label it all fascism, will that help to generate a successful opposition? I always wonder when I see some protester carrying one of those (relatively rare, actually) “Bush = Hitler” protest signs: How do they think that’s helping? Do they think somebody walking down the street who is sort of neutral is going to see this sign and say, “Oh, Bush equals Hitler! Why didn’t you say so? I’m going to revolt now.”

OK, some people are easy targets of ridicule, but the question that I emailed to our panelists: “Do we live in a fascist state? Why, or why not?” is a serious one. Let’s see what they have to say about it.

(NOTE: Many of these answers were written before the recent mid-term elections.)

Featuring (click to jump to their answers):

7 Responses to “Is It Fascism Yet?”

  1. klevenstein Says:

    Great writing, all (a great read for me as I wake up). I love the upright perspectives and lack of hyperbole. It should be a serious question, and we should never stop asking it.

    Thanks…

  2. buzzflash.net>http://nofollow">buzzflash.net Says:

    Is it fascism yet? America speaks

    A funny but serious attempt to answer the question: Is the Bush administration fascist? Includes quotes from Douglas Rushkoff, Tikkun’s Rabbi Michael Lerner, FAIR’s Norman Solomon, plus Wonkette’s editor Ken Layne, columnist Susie Bright, and the g…

  3. okfuture Says:

    A very serious article, on a very serious topic. The twin powers of authoritarianism, fascism and communism, are always knocking at the door of free societies everywhere. A slide into Big Daddyism can only be prevented by the hyper-vigilance of the citizenry. If you doubt the above statements, take note of the miserable state of freedom of the U.K., and reflect upon this cogent truth: what occurs in the U.K. will, in a mutated form, occur here after a short lag of time. A kind of “soft” fascism is settling across the Anglo-Saxon world, and in the finest tradition of those peoples, that world will survive in liberty only through a concerted struggle involving rugged disobedience to the whims of the elites.

  4. The Yoke of B'nai B'rith Says:

    The Kikeycons are jewish, that adds classic problems to the fascism charge. How could a jew be fascist?

    What I don’t understand is charges of “anti-semitism” being leveled at these Israel loving Christians by fearful “progressives”; the Christian position is “I support Israel, but they’re still going to hell when they die”, this position still supports Israel. And they still mean catholics and other undesiarbles will be going to hell, maybe even at a hotter level then the saintly but “Christ-dening” jew.

    The reality of the situation is that modern Christians are religious reformer jews, they absolutely worship modern jewry, and when any jew says jump, they say how high. This war in Iraq is a war for jews, this is an absolute fact. Civil Liberties are being undermined by the Federally funded Police training courses offered by the B’nai B’rith: Southern Poverty Law Center and the B’nai B’rith: Anti-Defemation leauge who tell police to be on alert for “terrorists” and “haters”. There is no seperation between Synogogue and state. Disgraced govenor McGreevy gave his Israeli Boy Toy lover a paid government position as “liason to the jewish community”. Our government at the behest of the ADL must prepare “The Report on Global Anti-Semitism” every year. The government is full of unconstitutional jew to jew contracts such as Chertoff giving $236 million to Carnival Cruise lines Micky Arison that went unused while New Orleans starved. Jews and Government is unseperable to the point that it is anti-semitic to question your government. Exactly as it was during Trotsky’s NKVD reign in early communist Russia. Christians would love to do their duty and turn in a “terrorist” problem is thought is not yet a crime in this country.

    So don’t tell me as I see in many so called “progressive” blogs, Bush is bad for jews. Don’t tell me Bush, Robertson, Haggard are anti-semites just because they get scetchy on where they’re favorite “Chosen people” may go when they die (of all stupid things you supposed “Cursaders for the little guy” point your finger at). The average jew is not the “little guy” he makes twice the income of the average goy. Don’t tell me they’re persecuted. Don’t tell me the “anti-semites” in the GOP did not ogasmically rejoyce when jewish israel dropped white phospherous on Lebanon against it’s biblical enemies. The GOP is the most philo-semitic not-denying but holocaust-affirming organization; George W Bush is our “first jewish president”. It comes with being a modern day MegaChruch christian.

    The war in Iraq is a war against “anti-semites”. Those monsetous arabs such that “20,000 of them aren’t worth a single jewish fingernail” (talmud). We are bombing “bigots” and “haters”; “the next hitler” of brown men women and innocent children. My position of anti-war is a position of self-defense against my enemy, the United States Government: ZOG; if Iraqis are first, I’m next.

    There is a struggle against the Redstones and Murdochs, Chertoffs and Perles, for our very biological survival under a false peace of SUVs and Walmarts.

  5. Edward Champion’s Return of the Reluctant » Roundup (1 of 2) Says:

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  6. Coolfoolwho Says:

    Given the emphasis that so many of these responses place on the increasing linkage between the state and the vast economic power of multinationals, I think that a more appropriate label has already been coined. It comes from a computer game called Civilisation: Call to Power. I concede that this might seem quite a trivial source to draw any politcal points from but hear me out. Better yet, try the game. In this game the political system which develops most naturally out of democracy is the Corporate Republic. I think that this title describes the current political system quite well. It certainly addresses many of the point raised by respondents in this article.
    Sorry if this seems daft, but really, have a look at the game, and the options it offers.

  7. RexRhino Says:

    Well, the U.S. is not truly facist yet… If it was, an article like this would get you disappeared by the secret police.

    However, ideologically the U.S. (as well as other Western nations) are becoming facist, or at least totalitarian an authoritarian (facism in the original sense died in WWII). I would even venture to say most of the comentators are likely facist, although their facist ideology is probably has superficial estetic differences from the neocon brand of facist ideology.

    The important thing to remember is that facism is the means, not the end. Facism isn’t a goal, but the way people want to achieve the goal. Neocons want the state to regulate speech, in order to supress dissent about foreign policy, and that is facism of course. However, leftists who opposed that sort of censorship have no problem supporting speech codes (to stop “hateful” speech, of course), or the banning of political advertisments, or whatever. The left often try to justify it, but essentially there are types of speech that they want to elminate, and they are more than willing to give the state power to regulate speech as long as the power is exercised with leftist sensabilities.

    Virtually all mainstream politics in America want the U.S. government to have a broad and vast increase of powers, they simply disagree on how the powers should be used. The right wants vast government powers to observe and search private property in order to fight terrorism… the left wants vast government powers to observe and search private property to fight enviornmental crimes. The right wants to ban pornography because it is sinful, the left wants to ban pornography because it exploits women. The right wants the public schools to push prayer and patriotism, the left wants public schools to push diversity and sensitivity, but both fully agree the role of the public schools is to indoctrinate youth.

    The left and the right are really the same ideology. Both have the same vision for the amount of control the government should have on society (total control). The disagreements between the left and the right are not pro-authority or anti-authority, as both are in love with authority. There are simply some superficial disagreements about what sort of estetics should guide totalitarian power in America. Some people want Castro, some people want Pinochet, but everyone wants the big papa to spank them and tell them they are bad.

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