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Title: The Real Story of Christmas
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Published: Dec 1, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-12-01 00:12:08 by Morgana le Fay
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An Ancient Holiday The middle of winter has long been a time of celebration around the world. Centuries before the arrival of the man called Jesus, early Europeans celebrated light and birth in the darkest days of winter. Many peoples rejoiced during the winter solstice, when the worst of the winter was behind them and they could look forward to longer days and extended hours of sunlight. Real StoryIn Scandinavia, the Norse celebrated Yule from December 21, the winter solstice, through January. In recognition of the return of the sun, fathers and sons would bring home large logs, which they would set on fire. The people would feast until the log burned out, which could take as many as 12 days. The Norse believed that each spark from the fire represented a new pig or calf that would be born during the coming year. The end of December was a perfect time for celebration in most areas of Europe. At that time of year, most cattle were slaughtered so they would not have to be fed during the winter. For many, it was the only time of year when they had a supply of fresh meat. In addition, most wine and beer made during the year was finally fermented and ready for drinking. In Germany, people honored the pagan god Oden during the mid-winter holiday. Germans were terrified of Oden, as they believed he made nocturnal flights through the sky to observe his people, and then decide who would prosper or perish. Because of his presence, many people chose to stay inside. Saturnalia In Rome, where winters were not as harsh as those in the far north, Saturnalia—a holiday in honor of Saturn, the god of agriculture—was celebrated. Beginning in the week leading up to the winter solstice and continuing for a full month, Saturnalia was a hedonistic time, when food and drink were plentiful and the normal Roman social order was turned upside down. For a month, slaves would become masters. Peasants were in command of the city. Business and schools were closed so that everyone could join in the fun. SaturnaliaAlso around the time of the winter solstice, Romans observed Juvenalia, a feast honoring the children of Rome. In addition, members of the upper classes often celebrated the birthday of Mithra, the god of the unconquerable sun, on December 25. It was believed that Mithra, an infant god, was born of a rock. For some Romans, Mithra's birthday was the most sacred day of the year. In the early years of Christianity, Easter was the main holiday; the birth of Jesus was not celebrated. In the fourth century, church officials decided to institute the birth of Jesus as a holiday.Unfortunately, the Bible does not mention date for his birth (a fact Puritans later pointed out in order to deny the legitimacy of the celebration). Although some evidence suggests that his birth may have occurred in the spring (why would shepherds be herding in the middle of winter?), Pope Julius I chose December 25. It is commonly believed that the church chose this date in an effort to adopt and absorb the traditions of the pagan Saturnalia festival. First called the Feast of the Nativity, the custom spread to Egypt by 432 and to England by the end of the sixth century. By the end of the eighth century, the celebration of Christmas had spread all the way to Scandinavia. Today, in the Greek and Russian orthodox churches, Christmas is celebrated 13 days after the 25th, which is also referred to as the Epiphany or Three Kings Day. This is the day it is believed that the three wise men finally found Jesus in the manger. By holding Christmas at the same time as traditional winter solstice festivals, church leaders increased the chances that Christmas would be popularly embraced, but gave up the ability to dictate how it was celebrated. By the Middle Ages, Christianity had, for the most part, replaced pagan religion. On Christmas, believers attended church, then celebrated raucously in a drunken, carnival-like atmosphere similar to today's Mardi Gras. Each year, a beggar or student would be crowned the "lord of misrule" and eager celebrants played the part of his subjects. The poor would go to the houses of the rich and demand their best food and drink. If owners failed to comply, their visitors would most likely terrorize them with mischief. Christmas became the time of year when the upper classes could repay their real or imagined "debt" to society by entertaining less fortunate citizens. An Outlaw Christmas In the early 17th century, a wave of religious reform changed the way Christmas was celebrated in Europe. When Oliver Cromwell and his Puritan forces took over England in 1645, they vowed to rid England of decadence and, as part of their effort, cancelled Christmas. By popular demand, Charles II was restored to the throne and, with him, came the return of the popular holiday. The pilgrims, English separatists that came to America in 1620, were even more orthodox in their Puritan beliefs than Cromwell. As a result, Christmas was not a holiday in early America. From 1659 to 1681, the celebration of Christmas was actually outlawed in Boston. Anyone exhibiting the Christmas spirit was fined five shillings. By contrast, in the Jamestown settlement, Captain John Smith reported that Christmas was enjoyed by all and passed without incident. After the American Revolution, English customs fell out of favor, including Christmas. In fact, Congress was in session on December 25, 1789, the first Christmas under America's new constitution. Christmas wasn't declared a federal holiday until June 26, 1870. Irving Reinvents Christmas It wasn't until the 19th century that Americans began to embrace Christmas. Americans re-invented Christmas, and changed it from a raucous carnival holiday into a family-centered day of peace and nostalgia. But what about the 1800s peaked American interest in the holiday? The early 19th century was a period of class conflict and turmoil. During this time, unemployment was high and gang rioting by the disenchanted classes often occurred during the Christmas season. In 1828, the New York city council instituted the city's first police force in response to a Christmas riot. This catalyzed certain members of the upper classes to begin to change the way Christmas was celebrated in America. In 1819, best-selling author Washington Irving wrote The Sketchbook of Geoffrey Crayon, gent., a series of stories about the celebration of Christmas in an English manor house. The sketches feature a squire who invited the peasants into his home for the holiday. In contrast to the problems faced in American society, the two groups mingled effortlessly. In Irving's mind, Christmas should be a peaceful, warm-hearted holiday bringing groups together across lines of wealth or social status. Irving's fictitious celebrants enjoyed "ancient customs," including the crowning of a Lord of Misrule. Irving's book, however, was not based on any holiday celebration he had attended - in fact, many historians say that Irving's account actually "invented" tradition by implying that it described the true customs of the season. A Christmas Carol Also around this time, English author Charles Dickens created the classic holiday tale, A Christmas Carol. The story's message-the importance of charity and good will towards all humankind-struck a powerful chord in the United States and England and showed members of Victorian society the benefits of celebrating the holiday. The family was also becoming less disciplined and more sensitive to the emotional needs of children during the early 1800s. Christmas provided families with a day when they could lavish attention-and gifts-on their children without appearing to "spoil" them. As Americans began to embrace Christmas as a perfect family holiday, old customs were unearthed. People looked toward recent immigrants and Catholic and Episcopalian churches to see how the day should be celebrated. In the next 100 years, Americans built a Christmas tradition all their own that included pieces of many other customs, including decorating trees, sending holiday cards, and gift-giving. Although most families quickly bought into the idea that they were celebrating Christmas how it had been done for centuries, Americans had really re-invented a holiday to fill the cultural needs of a growing nation.
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I've shown verses on this site several times that show that the bible does specifically ridicule the christmas tree custom. says it is a good example of a stupid custom that people come up with. and that verse was written several hundred years before jesus. christmas is OK in my book, but it is also a stupid custom. people do stupid things - that is the norm.
Psalm 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
This informative article surely points to the pagan practices promoted by Popes, pagans and preachers as "Holy Days" ... none are scriptural. As "Paul" said ... "you know not who ye worship" !
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
Not only ridicule it, but we are specifically told NOT to do it... Jeremiah 10:1-5 explains that this is a custom of the heathen, and if you look up the word heathen in the dictionary it is defined as pagan... So those who do put up "christmas trees" are in fact pagans. I'd say that's a bit beyond a "stupid custom".
No absurdity is so palpable but that it may be firmly planted in the human head if you only begin to inculcate it before age five, by constantly repeating it with an air of great solemnity. - Arthur Schopenhauer
If y'all want to call Christmas pagan, fine, but Jeremiah 10:1-5 refers, I think, to the 'gods'/idols the people used to make for themselves: Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. Jer 10:5 They [are] upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also [is it] in them to do good........ http://www.bluelet terbible.org/kjv/Jer/Jer010.html#top [i.e.,] Psa 115:5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: Psa 115:6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: Psa 115:7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. Psa 115:8 They that make them are like unto them; [so is] every one that trusteth in them.... Jer 10:9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple [is] their clothing: they [are] all the work of cunning [men]........ http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Jer/10/5.html Matthew Henry commentary, from blueletterbible: ".....(1.) Consider what the idol is that is worshipped. It was a tree cut out of the forest originally. It was fitted up by the hands of the workman, squared, and sawed, and worked into shape; see Isa. 44:12, etc. But, after all, it was but the stock of a tree, fitter to make a gate-post of than any thing else. But, to hide the wood, they deck it with silver and gold, they gild or lacquer it, or they deck it with gold and silver lace, or cloth of tissue. They fasten it to its place, which they themselves have assigned it, with nails and hammers, that it fall not, nor be thrown down, nor stolen away, v. 4. The image is made straight enough, and it cannot be denied but that the workman did his part, for it is upright as the palm-tree (v. 5); it looks stately, and stands up as if it were going to speak to you, but it cannot speak; it is a poor dumb creature; nor can it take one step towards your relief. If there be any occasion for it to shift its place, it must be carried in procession, for it cannot go. Very fitly does the admonition come in here, "Be not afraid of them, any more than of the signs of heaven; be not afraid of incurring their displeasure, for they can do no evil; be not afraid of forfeiting their favour, for neither is it in them to do good. If you think to mend the matter by mending the materials of which the idol is made, you deceive yourselves. Idols of gold and silver are an unworthy to be worshipped as wooden gods. The stock is a doctrine of vanities, v. 8. It teaches lies, teaches lies concerning God. It is an instruction of vanities; it is wood.’’ It is probable that the idols of gold and silver had wood underneath for the substratum, and then silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, imported from beyond sea, and gold from Uphaz, or Phaz, which is sometimes rendered the fine or pure gold, Ps. 21:3. A great deal of art is used, and pains taken, about it. They are not such ordinary mechanics that are employed about these as about the wooden gods, v. 3. these are cunning men; it is the work of the workman; the graver must do his part when it has passed through the hands of the founder. Those were but decked here and there with silver and gold; these are silver and gold all over. And, that these gods might be reverenced as kings, blue and purple are their clothing, the colour of royal robes (v. 9), which amuses ignorant worshippers, but makes the matter no better. For what is the idol when it is made and when they have made the best they can of it? He tells us (v. 14): They are falsehood; they are not what they pretend to be, but a great cheat put upon the world. They are worshipped as the gods that give us breath and life and sense, whereas they are lifeless senseless things themselves, and there is no breath in them; there is no spirit in them (so the word is); they are not animated, or inhabited, as they are supposed to be, by any divine spirit or numen—divinity. They are so far from being gods that they have not so much as the spirit of a beast that goes downward. They are vanity, and the work of errors, v. 15. Enquire into the use of them and you will find they are vanity; they are good for nothing; no help is to be expected from them nor any confidence put in them. They are a deceitful work, works of illusions, or mere mockeries; so some read the following clause. They delude those that put their trust in them, make fools of them, or, rather, they make fools of themselves. Enquire into the use of them and you will find they are the work of errors, grounded upon the grossest mistakes that ever men who pretended to reason were guilty of. They are the creatures of a deluded fancy; and the errors by which they were produced they propagate among their worshippers. (2.) Infer hence what the idolaters are that worship these idols. (v. 8): They are altogether brutish and foolish. Those that make them are like unto them, senseless and stupid, and there is no spirit in them—no use of reason, else they would never stoop to them, v. 14. Every man that makes or worships idols has become brutish in his knowledge, that is, brutish for want of knowledge, or brutish in that very thing which one would think they should be fully acquainted with; compare Jude 10, What they know naturally, what they cannot but know by the light of nature, in those things as brute beasts they corrupt themselves. Though in the works of creation they cannot but see the eternal power and godhead of the Creator, yet they have become vain in their imaginations, not liking to retain God in their knowledge. See Rom. 1:21, 18. Nay, whereas they thought it a piece of wisdom thus to multiply gods, it really was the greatest folly they could be guilty of. The world by wisdom knew not God, 1 Co. 1:21; Rom. 1:22. Every founder is himself confounded by the graven image; when he has made it by a mistake he is more and more confirmed in his mistake by it; he is bewildered, bewitched, and cannot disentangle himself from the snare; or it is what he will one time or other be ashamed of. 2. The God of Israel is the one only living and true God, and those that have him for their God need not make their application to any other; nay, to set up any other in competition with him is the greatest affront and injury that can be done him. Let the house of Israel cleave to the God of Israel and serve and worship him only, for,.........." 'course we could all go back to worshipping like the Jews would have us do, and replace Christmas with Hanukah: ".....when the Jews cleaned out the Holy Temple, He rewarded them by causing one day's worth of oil to burn miraculously for eight days in the menorah. This eight-day festival is celebrated in December as Hanukah. The "New Testament": Pagan revenge Between G-d's own miracles and the Jewish teaching of His Word, the pagan priesthoods of Egypt, Greece, and Rome were steadily losing their power over the gentile populations. They decided to fight back by creating a new religion, one that would claim to be the fulfillment of the Hebrew "Old Testament," yet would bring back the pagan lies in a new disguise. Thus the "New Testament" was written, in Greek rather than Hebrew, and attached to the original Hebrew scriptures to try to change their meaning back toward paganism. The "New Testament" tried to change G-d from One, as in the Hebrew scriptures, into a "trinity" as in Egyptian cults or the eastern religions of Hinduism and Buddhism. It described Jesus as G-d in a human body, like the pagans always described Pharoah and other wicked kings. It declared G-d's Law to be a "curse" that no one can truly obey, announced that there must be a "mediator" between G- d and man, and pretended that salvation could now be achieved outside the Law. To blind the gentile nations, the "New Testament" also warned people not to learn from the Jews, declaring that Israel no longer possessed the true, complete Word of G-d. In the Bible, the book of Daniel warned of an evil power--a false religion-- that would believe in the true "G-d of fortresses... plus a god its fathers did not know." This religion would "speak bizarre words about the Most High, wear out the holy ones (the Jews), and plan to change the festivals and the religious Law."7 The Christian Church has indeed replaced Passover with Easter (the pagan holiday of Astarte and Ishtar) and Hanukah with Christmas (the pagan winter holiday). Since then, Christian paganism has expanded to include Christmas trees, Easter eggs, and so forth. How to celebrate genuine Biblical holidays The only answer is to return to the original Truth of the Hebrew scriptures. The Bible established Passover, Shavuos, and other holidays, while the judges of Israel (the rabbis) acted upon their G-d-given authority to institute such holidays as Hanukah. When we celebrate these true holidays instead of neo-pagan festivals, we clear our homes of dangerous idolatrous symbols, replacing them with G-dly spirituality........." http://www.noahide.com/paganism.htm CHRISTIANS ARE IDOL WORSHIPPERS CHRISTMAS MUST BE ABOLISHED Here is the flier the Lubavitchers are circulating. "....Why Torah obligates all Jews in this campaign: "...according to the known Jewish ruling that Christians are idol worshippers." (Likkutei Sichos 37:198) A gentile...is liable for the death penalty...if he has invented a religious holiday for himself... The general principle is we do not allow them to make new religious rituals and to make 'mitzvahs' for themselves by their own devices. Rather they may either become a Ger Tzeddek and accept all the Mitvahs; or he (the Noahide) should stand fast in his Torah (the seven Noahide Laws) without adding or diminishing...and if he does make some new 'mitzvah,' we lash him, punish him, and inform him that he is obligated with the death penalty for this..." (Rambam Mishne Torah—Hilchos Melachim 10:9)......" Campaign to Abolish X-mas http://www.noahide.com/xmas.htm [No longer found on my server....fliers replaced by Jewish halos and "hate- crime" legislation aimed at Christians. ]
Sure beats Purim, doesn't it? that religious holdiday THEY made for themselves, based on that phony story in Esther that is totally contrary to the Word of God, once you sit down and read the whole thing, and which message is death to, and seizing the property of, one's enemies.
A gentile...is liable for the death penalty...if he has invented a religious holiday for himself... Jews, Christians, it doesn't matter. NO ONE has any authority to add to - nor take away from - the Law. And nowhere in Scripture is either christmas or hanukah mentioned as being a holiday (holy day). It is irrelevant what the "intentions" are. Sure beats Purim, doesn't it? that religious holdiday THEY made for themselves, based on that phony story in Esther that is totally contrary to the Word of God I agree about the book of Esther, and the BS holiday of "purim"... BUT, like I said above - wrong is wrong no matter what the "intentions". Making a "holy day" out of thin air is as wrong as our practice of creating "money" out of thin air. Nowhere in Scripture do ANY of the disciples or apostles of the Messiah ever call themselves christians. They were called that by others; but as I've mentioned before, just because someone calls you something doesn't make it a fact. I am convinced that the Messiah as well as His followers did in fact follow Mosaic Law. If He were indeed sent to "lead by example", then perhaps we should follow the example He set, and keep the Law. Christianity (as we know it today) does in fact parallel MANY pagan customs. And as I've mentioned before, Paul is a very difficult writer to understand. His writings often seem to contradict everything else in Scripture - even the teachings of the Messiah Himself. I personally have a tendency to put Paul's writings on the "back burner" more than "in the forefront". Remember, Paul was a lawyer commissioned to "teach" other lawyers. And if you've ever listened to 2 lawyers speaking in "legal-ese" you know it can get very confusing in a hurry. As far as I can discern, christianity as we know it (and as most that claim that title practice today) started with the Roman church. And there is little doubt that the Roman church is nothing more than a carryover of Babylonian practices. It is paganism plain and simple. I choose not to call myself christian - not because I don't believe the Messiah existed, but rather because christians as a whole do things which I believe are wrong and don't do other things which I believe we should be doing. I just don't fit the mold. You simply cannot put the arguement in front of the school board that you want your child exempted from vaccinations because it "violates your religious principles" if you claim to be christian. The school board sees all the other "christian" kids getting their shots...
No absurdity is so palpable but that it may be firmly planted in the human head if you only begin to inculcate it before age five, by constantly repeating it with an air of great solemnity. - Arthur Schopenhauer
I was reading over the article, and also the noahide article on "paganism", and thought "I could have a field day with this." However, I have recently had I Corinthians 13 clunk me on the head, and am afraid I sound too much like 'sounding brass'....something I need to work on. Nevertheless, some things still need to be said, because God has a purpose being fulfilled, and until it is, too many people are dying horribly and needlessly, so will offer some more "dots" [once again] in case anyone is interested. Where to start, where to start..... "Is not my Word as a fire that hammers the rock into pieces?" : from http://noahide.com/paganism: How to celebrate genuine Biblical holidays The only answer is to return to the original Truth of the Hebrew scriptures. The Bible established Passover, Shavuos, and other holidays, while the judges of Israel (the rabbis) acted upon their G-d-given authority to institute such holidays as Hanukah. When we celebrate these true holidays instead of neo-pagan festivals, we clear our homes of dangerous idolatrous symbols, replacing them with G-dly spirituality........." "God-given authority"? I think not...... Amo 5:21 ¶ I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Amo 5:22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept [them]: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. Amo 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols. Amo 5:24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream........ http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Amo/Amo005.html#21 **** http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Amo/5/21.html Mat 21:19 — And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. **** http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Mat/21/19.html [...and let me snag THIS one: Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; ****** http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Jud/1/12.html .........in regard to this: English author Charles Dickens created the classic holiday tale, A Christmas Carol. The story's message-the importance of charity and good will towards all humankind . ] =========================================== from the article: Real Story In Scandinavia, the Norse celebrated Yule from December 21, the winter solstice, through January. In recognition of the return of the sun, fathers and sons would bring home large logs, which they would set on fire. from http://noahide.com/paganism: All of these strange customs originated in ancient forms of idol-worship, including the Egyptian cult of Isis, the Syrian and Babylonian cults of Astarte (or "Ishtar"), the Greek cult of Dionysus, the Roman festivals of Saturnalia and the sun, the cults of the Druids in England, and others. Such pagan cults were notorious for practicing witchcraft, forced prostitution, self-mutilation, human sacrifice to false gods, and even burning children alive.1 In other words, the Church accepted its holiday traditions from ancient Egypt, Babylon, Greece, and Rome--enemies of G-d who fought bitterly against His Word and were condemned by such Biblical prophets as Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel for their wickedness. Kettle calling the pot black? By deception thou shalt do war? Deceit is our name; projection is our game? The Israelites were notorious for most, if not all, of the above..... the Greeks and Romans can be traced to the IDOLATROUS Tribe of Dan, and old Jerusalem became the "Whore of Babylon". Is Dan the "Assyrian, ROD OF MY ANGER", which has been used over and over as a means of judgement against a disobedient people? the "robbers of thine people" who destroyed the city and the sanctuary? God did say to them "You have DESTROYED THINESELF". Jeremiah - Chapter 8 Jer 8:1 ¶ At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves: Jer 8:2 And they shall spread them before *** the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth. Jer 8:3 And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts..... http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Jer/Jer008.html#2 **** http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Jer/8/2.html [ Jer 8:15 We looked for peace, but no good [came; and] for a time of health, and behold trouble! Jer 8:16 The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come, and have devoured the land, and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein. Jer 8:17 For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which [will] not [be] charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD. Jer 8:18 ¶ [When] I would comfort myself against sorrow, my heart [is] faint in me. Jer 8:19 Behold the voice of the cry of the daughter of my people because of them that dwell in a far country: [Is] not the LORD in Zion? [is] not her king in her? Why have they provoked me to anger with their graven images, [and] with strange vanities?...........] [speaking of which, how many cities in America are cursed with Judeo-Masonic PHALLIC SYMBOLS? Probably as many cities as there are in America.] ===================================================== Reading the entire article and the "paganism" article again, some things jumped out at me, and once again I recognized the "hidden hand", that I see occurring again and again, ever since I first read about them - the pagan Tribe of Dan that led the first Israel into idolatry and ultimate destruction: An Ancient Holiday The middle of winter has long been a time of celebration around the world. Centuries before the arrival of the man called Jesus, early Europeans celebrated light and birth in the darkest days of winter. Many peoples rejoiced during the winter solstice, when the worst of the winter was behind them and they could look forward to longer days and extended hours of sunlight..... Why the pagans hated G-d's Word Most of the ancient world was ruled by "secret" societies--powerful sects that controlled education, religion, politics, and much of the economy. These priesthoods had been charged with the responsibility for teaching about G- d and His Law; instead, the priests became corrupt, hiding the Truth from the common people...... ....The priests knew the secrets of sorcery, witchcraft, and magic, and had long been establishing their authority over the people by performing great miracles........ [Indeed the Jewish priests did...see Acts 13:8-12 http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Act/Act013.html#08 ] ....G-d knew the Jewish people would remain stubbornly loyal to His Law, ....Many centuries later, Greek armies oppressed the Jews in the land of Israel, defiling the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and forcing Jews to worship idols. The Greek pagans were furious that the Jews continued to teach the world the Truth, in word and deed. But G-d delivered the Jews from the vastly superior Greek military forces, and when the Jews cleaned out the Holy Temple, He rewarded them by causing one day's worth of oil to burn miraculously for eight days in the menorah. This eight-day festival is celebrated in December as Hanukah.... ...Between G-d's own miracles and the Jewish teaching of His Word, the pagan priesthoods of Egypt, Greece, and Rome were steadily losing their power over the gentile populations. They decided to fight back by creating a new religion, one that would claim to be the fulfillment of the Hebrew "Old Testament," yet would bring back the pagan lies in a new disguise. Thus the "New Testament" was written, in Greek rather than Hebrew, and attached to the original Hebrew scriptures to try to change their meaning back toward paganism. The "New Testament" tried to change G-d from One, as in the Hebrew scriptures, into a "trinity" as in Egyptian cults or the eastern religions of Hinduism and Buddhism. It described Jesus as G-d in a human body, [note: WHO did Jacob wrestle with IN GENESIS 32:24 ["a man"], and called GOD in verse 30?] like the pagans always described Pharoah and other wicked kings. It declared G- d's Law to be a "curse" that no one can truly obey, announced that there must be a "mediator" between G-d and man, and pretended that salvation could now be achieved outside the Law. To blind the gentile nations, the "New Testament" also warned people not to learn from the Jews, declaring that Israel no longer possessed the true, complete Word of G-d. In the Bible, the book of Daniel warned of an evil power--a false religion-- that would believe in the true "G-d of fortresses... plus a god its fathers did not know." This religion would "speak bizarre words about the Most High, wear out the holy ones (the Jews) [He did say He would choose their delusions], and plan to change the festivals and the religious Law."7.... ....the judges of Israel (the rabbis) acted upon their G-d-given authority to institute such holidays as Hanukah. This is surely taken from the wandering minds of the Lostest of the Lost Sheep, the Tribe of Dan: ========================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Unseen Hand of all the worldly things that reveal the Unseen Hand, love must be the most beautiful" Night Killer Times Square, New York City. Piccadilly Circus, London. Le Champs Elysée, Paris. A million watts of electricity turning night into day. We live in a society which prides itself on being 24-hour, round-the-clock. "We never close." Our culture has blurred the distinction between the two halves of the day so that, on a social level, night has become day. In an agrarian society, the cycle of life used to be dictated by the rise and fall of the sun. The cock crowed. The fields had to be plowed. But now, battery hens burn the midnight oil - or electricity. They, like us, live in a world where we can turn night into day at will. We make night vanish in a second. Nowadays - we can kill the night. There are two views of the world which stand eternally and implacably opposed to each other. One view seeks to place everything in the glare of day. Its understanding is bounded by that which can be dissected on the operating table of science. What cannot be seen does not exist. What cannot be brought into the light is not there. This is a world whose symbol is the sun that never waxes or wanes. It is always the same unblinking eye of fire. This is the world that wants to murder the night - to turn it into day. But there is another world - and another people. A people that counts its seasons by the moon. A people who will emerge out of a deep darkness, just like the new moon that seems to renew itself out of a pitch black sky. A people in its darkest hour just before dawn. A people who lifts its gaze above the fluorescent glare of a world that knows no night. The month of Tevet is the darkest time of the year. Its days are the shortest of the year and its nights the longest. The tribe associated with Tevet is the tribe of Dan. When the Children of Israel traveled and camped in the desert, they encircled the Holy Ark. The tribe of Dan was the most northerly encampment. The North is a dark cold place. The long nights of Tevet are even longer in the North. The Hebrew word for North - tzafon - is spelled the same as tzafun - which means hidden. [note: "occult" also means "hidden"] The Talmud tells us that one of the names of the yetzer hara - the negative drive - is tzafuni (Succa 52). Beginning on the eighth of Tevet, three days of spiritual darkness descended on the world. The first darkness was the translation into Greek of the Torah. King Ptolemy took 70 great Torah Sages and confined them in separate cubicles and instructed them to translate the Torah. Hence its name - the Septuagint. With the translation of the Torah into Greek, the "lion which had been roaming free was put into a cage." ["Dan is a lion's whelp".] The radiance of the Torah which shines through the sentences, the words and the letters of the Holy tongue, was shuttered into a closed room, its light constricted and obfuscated. For however accurate a translation may be, the Torah's fathomless depths, its mystical secrets, become truncated and lost when it speaks in another tongue. The second day of darkness was the passing from this world of Ezra the Sofer on the ninth of Tevet. Ezra was among the last of the prophets. It was he who gave the Torah the letters that we recognize today - Ashurit script. By employing Ashurit, Ezra made the Torah accessible to all the people. The Torah's light was able to shine out to the least scholarly of the Jewish People. It was also Ezra who instituted the public reading of the Torah on Mondays, Thursdays and at mincha on Shabbat. Ezra brought Torah to the people. When his light went out on the ninth of Tevet, the world became darker, and the Torah - more constrained and confined. On the tenth of Tevet, the armies of the Babylonian emperor, Nevuchadnetzar, led by his general Nevuzaradan began the siege on Jerusalem, resulting in the destruction of the first Holy Temple and the exile of the Jewish people to Babylon. If you think about it, on the tenth of Tevet itself, ostensibly, nothing really tragic happened. No wall was breached. No one died. Not a shot was fired. Only the siege was begun. You can look at a siege in two ways. A siege stops the beleaguered city from obtaining help and sustenance from the outside. Eventually the hapless inhabitants capitulate because of starvation. However, there's another aspect to siege. A siege also stops anyone or anything getting out. The tenth of Tevet is a tragedy of such enormous proportions because ever since that day, the Torah is itself confined under siege. It is confined in a Septuagint. It is confined in a world without prophecy, a world where what-you-see-is-what-you- get, where everything has to be glaringly on show. The Torah is trapped and confined in a padded cell whose unblinking lights are never extinguished twenty- four hours a day. And all we can hear is its beautiful muffled voice. For it is from Zion that Torah emanates to the world. And Zion was put under siege on the Tenth of Tevet. [don't forget: Americans are declared enemies of the Judeo-Masonic-NWO state] If you count the total number of candles that we light on Chanuka, you'll find it comes to thirty-six. If you count the number of days from the 25th of Kislev, the day when Chanuka begins, till the end of Tevet, that number is also 36. Chanuka spreads its light across two months. A month of light and a month of darkness. And even after the last night of Chanuka is over and the blaze of all its eight candles has gone out, and it seems that the night is flooded by the neon glare of artificial light, those thirty-six hidden candles burn on in the days of Tevet for **** the people of the moon like the thirty-six hidden tzaddikim, righteous people, ***** on whose shoulders this world is standing....." SEASONS OF THE MOON - TRIBE OF DAN http://ohr.edu/seasons/5759/teves.h tm [upon WHOSE shoulders is this world standing? Isa 9:6 — For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called **** Wonderful, **** Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.... http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Isa/9/6.html A word about "Wonderful": It is deliberately mistranslated in the King James Version here [to the parents of SAMSON, A DANITE]: Jdg 13:17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What [is] thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour? Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it [is] *** secret? http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Jdg/Jdg013.html#18 The correct translation is "wonderful": http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Jdg/13/18.html , and the "Angel" was Jesus.] See also : THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN. THE EARLY JEWISH & CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE IDENTITY OF THE ANTICHRIST. by. Janet Moser. ". . .the snorting of his horses was heard from ... http://www.watch.pair.com/dan.html [Judeo] Masonic Foundations of the U.S. That is the secret name of the Masonic god, the "Lost Word" learned in the ... for the Serpent by the Tribe of Dan, from which the False Messiah will come: ... http://www.watch.pair.com/mason.html - Under the Noahide Laws It has been pointed out that the second Noahide Law which prohibits ... Under the Courts of Law section of the Noahide Laws is stated: "A person may be ... http://www.watch.pair.com/law.html Cosmic Christmas: Rebirth of the Sun God Inasmuch as refusal to worship the Antichrist will be tantamount to disobedience of the second Noahide Law, it is certain that death by decapitation will be ... http://www.watch.pair.com/cosmic.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- from the article: An Outlaw Christmas In the early 17th century, a wave of religious reform changed the way Christmas was celebrated in Europe. When Oliver Cromwell and his Puritan forces took over England in 1645, they vowed to rid England of decadence and, as part of their effort, cancelled Christmas. By popular demand, Charles II was restored to the throne and, with him, came the return of the popular holiday. *** The pilgrims, English separatists that came to America in 1620, were even more orthodox in their Puritan beliefs than Cromwell. As a result, Christmas was not a holiday in early America. From 1659 to 1681, the celebration of Christmas was actually outlawed in Boston. Anyone exhibiting the Christmas spirit was fined five shillings. By contrast, in the Jamestown settlement, Captain John Smith reported that Christmas was enjoyed by all and passed without incident. **** After the American Revolution, English customs fell out of favor, including Christmas. In fact, Congress was in session on December 25, 1789, the first Christmas under America's new constitution. Christmas wasn't declared a federal holiday until June 26, 1870. Okay, now this explains a lot! You could probably put what I know about history in a nutshell, so I wish anyone who has more knowledge than I, would take this and run with it. WHO were these "Puritans" and "Pilgrims"? From the little bit I have read in the recent past, I suspect that a lot of them were wolves in sheep's clothing. The rest may just have been the "Christian Zionists" of yesteryear. The reason I say that is because if you study the First Virginia Charter of 1606 [for the Virginia Colony], and then the Second Charter [of the Pilgrim Colony], and the subsequent return of the second colony to the Crown, you will see a distinct conflict between the two colonies, kind of like the conflict that occured between Israel and Judah. The first colony came, and the spreading of the Gospel was a well- spelled-out motive for the mustard seed on those ships. They planted a cross at Cape Henry. The second charter gave lip service to Christ, but set out a long laundry list of material demands. It is apparent that the conflict between the two colonies began almost immediately, and it also appears that the second colony even encroached upon the territory of the first colony. The first colony, as was their right spelled out in their charter, found the second colony impeding their mission to spread the gospel, and had apparently started taking action to expell the intruders. Look them up, and see what YOU think. As for the pilgrims, recall that the United States is still a Judeo-British Colony [signified by the Hexagram/Star of David/Seal of Solomon over the eagle's head on the $1 Bill], George Washington was told by Gen. Cornwallis that a Holy War would begin against America, and in 200 years America's churches would be teaching the Jews' religion, and we would be working towards "Divine Government", which would be the British Empire. Then read the following enlightening article on the Pilgrim Society: The Pilgrim Society & English Speaking Union - WHAT ABOUT THOSE PILGRIMS? Courtesy of Timothy Aho, the remarks of Hon. J. Thorlkelson, U.S. Congressman from Montana, follow (a speech to the U.S. House of ... http://www.watch.pair.com/pilgrim.html ================================================== more on these "spots in our feasts of charity"; they're in their last days; this is their last gasp; they will repent, accept Jesus, and be saved; or they will continue in the way of Cain, and be lost forever: Jude - Chapter 1 Jud 1:1 ¶ Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, [and] called: Jud 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. Jud 1:3 ¶ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Jud 1:5 ¶ I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jud 1:8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. Jud 1:12 ¶ These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jud 1:16 ¶ These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. Jud 1:20 ¶ But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Jud 1:24 ¶ Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jud/Jud001.html#12 ============================== Now, if anyone read into this that we should not celebrate Christmas [Christ- day], so be it; perhaps you are right, but just understand that while this might please God [and that of course, should be our utmost consideration], it might also please the devil and his minions even more. They don't just want to get rid of Christmas. They want to get rid of Christ and Christians. This country was founded on a cross, being the prophesied Promised Land for Christians. My inclination is not to let those who have rejected Christ dictate how we should celebrate [or not] His birth. Just remember, God told them way back when, because they had made Him jealous with that which was not of God, He would make them jealous with a people that were not a people. We are that people. He is calling us to set them straight..... 2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr010.html#4 ...keep waiting for Christians to start their engines..... ================================== innieway, just seeing your post....will have to get back to it.... but want to say, my church doesn't call Christmas a "holy" day; it is not a "sacrament"; I don't TRUST in it to "save me"; it is simply a day to CELEBRATE the birth of Christ. The WISE MEN brought Him gifts, and I was just reading that the wise men came not when He was first born, but probably after His first BIRTHDAY. [Jesus was in a HOUSE at the time, not a manger]. THEY celebrated, and He didn't kick them out of the house, as I recall. When HE ascended on high, "HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN". What is so wrong about reciprocating? It is not "adding to the Word of God". I understand what you are saying, but Christians are not "under the law", we are under GRACE. The Law says we are not to make idols and WORSHIP them. Who is worshipping the tree? Who is worshipping Christmas? Some of us [most of us, I would say] are worshipping WHO it all STANDS FOR. How can we NOT celebrate? The Bible may not record that He called us "Christian", but it DOES record that He called us "FRIENDS", like He called Abraham. John 15:15-16. Call Christmas a celebration of FRIENDSHIP with the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.
Agree - He came to fulfill the law, not destroy it. I've come to believe that Paul's writings, or the various interpretations thereof, have done more to muddy the spiritual water than anything else.
trying to find out what this means...... from Matthew Henry: "4. In v. 11 the apostle represents them as followers of Cain, and in v. 12, 13, as atheistical and profane people, who thought little, and perhaps believed not much, of God or a future world—as greedy and covetous, who, so they could but gain present worldly advantages, cared not what came next—rebels against God and man, who, like Core, ran into attempts in which they must assuredly perish, as he did. Of such the apostle further says, (1.) These are spots in your feasts of charity—the agapai or love-feasts, so much spoken of by the ancients...." ????
These were orgies ... Temple prostitution was flourishing, and huge banquets complete with much wine, food and sexual perversions were taking place.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
Mat 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled...... http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat005.html#17 http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Mat/5/18.html "heaven and earth" was the temple. It was destroyed in 70 AD. Christians are the new Temple/House of the LORd. Galatians - Chapter 3 Gal 3:1 ¶ O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? ................ Gal 3:10 ¶ For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, ***** The just shall live by faith. [Martin Luther].... Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Gal 3:24 ***** Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:25 **** But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Gal 3:26 ¶ For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Gal/Gal003.html#24 Read the whole thing!! It makes perfect sense. Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free! http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Gal/3/24.html Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ........... Gal 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? [AMEN! Check out the Noahide Law, the United States Babylonian Code, the IRS Statutes, the "Patriot Act", the "666 Act", ad nauseum....] Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. Gal 4:23 But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise. Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, [thou] barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. Gal 4:29 ******** But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now. Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. http://www.bluelet terbible.org/kjv/Gal/Gal004.html#top Nothing has changed in 2,000 years!!!! They are still trying to drag us back into bondage under their laws!
Well, thanks...but are you sure? ....somehow that doesn't seem to compute. ...have to take a break!
This is a hotly debated concept and has been since the time of Jesus and the Apostles. Old Testament Scriptures speak of an everlasting and unchanging God that is no respector of persons. (So why would His Laws change, or immunity from them be given to "special people" ? The dangers to truth created by "the grace doctrine" are obvious, in that the grace covers all concept affords men an opportunity to think they can ignore the laws of God. Ignoring the law puts us on a slippery slope where men determine which of God's laws are worth obeying. Scripture states "Let God be true and ALL men liars". Ignoring the basic precepts and laws God gave us are our downfall here on earth. Mankind's propensity to be manipulated through any number of vices is what the Synagogue of Satan rely upon to control us. Should mankind decide to live according to God's Laws ... the Synagogue of Satan would collapse, and there would be peace on Earth. Christian blind support of Israel is a perfect example of grace gone mad ! People being slaughtered by American Christians are just as dead and maimed as those killed by any other murderer. (By the way, the Book of Genesis uses the plural term Gods {Elohim} when describing the creation, and indicates that man was created in "our" image. I am more inclined to the Hebrew Scriptures than those written in Greek. They had already survived 4000 years of scrutiny and were too well known that they could not have been changed wholesale. At the time of Christ there was no "New Testament" so His teachings were based upon Old Testament writings. Also, ancient copies of these Old Testament texts that have been discovered more recently support their legitimacy. You won't find one instance where birthdays are celebrated in the Bible, and Christians didn't celebrate Christmas until after Constantine's Nicene Council in 325 A.D. ... and the entirety of Christianity became Paganized.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
============================= This is a hotly debated concept and has been since the time of Jesus and the Apostles. Old Testament Scriptures speak of an everlasting and unchanging God that is no respector of persons. (So why would His Laws change, or immunity from them be given to "special people" ? The dangers to truth created by "the grace doctrine" are obvious, in that the grace covers all concept affords men an opportunity to think they can ignore the laws of God. Scripture states "Let God be true and ALL men liars". Ignoring the basic precepts and laws God gave us are our downfall here on earth. Mankind's propensity to be manipulated through any number of vices is what the Synagogue of Satan rely upon to control us. Should mankind decide to live according to God's Laws ... the Synagogue of Satan would collapse, and there would be peace on Earth. God's Laws according to whom? If we listened to the Jews, we'd be decapitating people for any infraction of "God's Laws" as the Jews, who are in control, see God's Laws. The Law, according to them, leaves no room for human frailty, no room for forgiveness. God gave them ten commandments to start with, the rest, according to Justin Martyr, were added basically because of their hardness of heart, and stiff-neckedness. We can see the result of "God's Laws" in the myriad of their Babylonian Talmudic Laws, biased toward the self-chosen, enslaving the world today: Matthew 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. Jesus said the Royal Law of Scripture was thus: Mat 22:34 ¶ But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Mat 22:35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying, Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets..... http://www.blueletterb ible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat022.html http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Mat/22/40.html Which would bring peace on earth quicker, do you think? Forcing the world into submission with The Law enforced by the sword? Or bringing the world into submission with the message and SPIRIT of Christmas: love, joy, peace and goodwill to ALL men, for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that all who believed would not perish, but have everlasting life....For unto us a child is born, a Son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace? A guillotine in every stadium, or a manger under every tree? I find it interesting that Captain John Smith and the rag-tag group of outcasts and petty thieves of the Southern colony observed Christmas, and claimed to be no worse the wear for it, and in fact, the Southern colony grew into the famous Bible Belt, excepting for that foreign intruder in DC [Ezekiel 17:7], whereas the PURITAN colony, which made Christmas a punishable crime, grew into the communist state of Taxachusetts and the revived Babylon on many waters, NYC and the United Nations. To show I do not disagree with you entirely, as you can never go wrong by obeying Christ to the T, I am posting a link that I keep running across, and which Itisalmosttoolate posted last year, which points out to a great degree, the paganism that is inherent in Christmas as it is practiced today: The Truth About Santa [Satan] Claus ".....More research led to me to notice that Santa Claus was nothing but a figure recycled from ancient pagan beliefs. The trappings associated with Santa Claus; his fur-trimmed wardrobe, sleigh, and reindeer reveal his origin from the cold climates of the far North. Some sources trace him to the ancient Northern European gods Woden and Thor, from which the days of the week Wednesday (Woden's day) and Thursday (Thor's day) get their designations. Others trace him even farther back in time to the Roman god Saturn and the Greek god Silenus. Many years before Christ, the Norsemen believed Odin (their chief God) rode through the world at midwinter distributing rewards or punishment to his earthy subjects. He went about on Christmas Eve rewarding good children with fruit and nuts. Odin's son Thor was revered during a celebration known as Mother night. In mid-December the return of the sun to the northern regions was a time of great joy and praise was given to the gods. Thor usually appeared in a chariot in the sky, perhaps a forerunner of Santa in a sleigh. When the Yule log burns on the hearth, some scholars say, it is an offering on Thor's altar. Thus we have the legend of Santa "coming down the chimney". When the northern races invaded Britain, they brought their gods with them. The early Christian church found it easier to adapt than forbid old beliefs and as a result pagan cultures were allowed to mix with Christian Christmas." http://heartofthelamb.com/Santa.htm Again, I believe what I bolded can be traced to the kings of the NORTH, the DANites. Their position was on the NORTH of the tabernacle. They were barbarians. Some of them became the Greeks, the Romans, the Norsemen, and I believe, the Khazars. They were skilled horsemen, hence the chariots. They have a Messiah complex...they want to be LIKE God. I believe "Woden" and "Odin" is related to the verse in Amos that says "They that swear by the sin of Samaria and say Thy god O Dan lives, and the manner of Beer-sheba lives, Even they shall fall, and never rise up again." [Amos 8:14] However, He also says He will "catch them in their craftiness" and "catch them in the snare they have set for me". If they have created a pagan way of celebrating the birth of the Saviour of the whole world, for the purpose of killing off us "idolators", don't you think He will turn it to His glory? If they don't repent, THEY will fall, but God has built His church, and even the gates of hell will not prevail against it. I am not going to say you are wrong; I have myself gone round and round on this subject in my OWN mind for the last few years, and still don't have the answer that satisfies my own self, but I will give you another little article, written by David Chilton, who I believe was a special servant of God [see his telling of the birth of Christ, pages 325-330, or thereabouts, here: http://freebooks.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/2226_47e.htm ]. "....proclaiming Jesus Christ as the one and only link between heaven and earth, were far from being abstract theological treatises. That proclamation had a political impact that shattered forever the old pagan pretension that merely human rulers were "divine." Christians and non-Christians alike have benefitted immeasurably from the resulting restraint on governmental tyranny that is unique to Western civilization. I rejoice in the commercialization of Christmas. It signals the one time in the year when our world approaches sanity. The brightly lit houses, the evergreens garlanded with bulbs, the carols that provide the musical background for even our most hectic shopping -- all creation comes alive with the message that the shift from B.C. to A.D. changed the world forever." LET'S KEEP CHRISTMAS COMMERCIALIZED - By David Chilton http://members.aol.com/xmaspiracy/commerce.htm This is from the site: THE CHRISTMAS CONSPIRACY "....The true meaning of Christmas is that the King has come, and all other kings must step aside. If we have been king of our own life, we too must step aside. The word “Gospel” means “good news.” The “good news” of Christmas is that Christ is a powerful King who is going to re-create a Christian world of virtue, peace, and security. The true meaning of Christmas has been obscured by the consumerism, materialism, and militarism of the American Empire (a.k.a. the “New World Order”). The Prophets described the Coming Messiah who would inaugurate a “Vine & Fig Tree” society. This Messiah came at the First Christmas. God's people are called to work for a “Vine & Fig Tree” world, not to wait for another Christmas. There are many people out there who believe (or are ready to believe) that the State, along with its institutional yes-man, the church, profits from ignorance of the radical message of Christmas. The Church-State hybrid does not want people to know about The Christmas Conspiracy. I think many people would like to know about it...." http://members.aol.co m/VFTfiles/Directory/index.htm I think they would too...and that's why I will celebrate it this year. One caveat: I read somewhere once, that on Saturnalia, December 25, the Romans slaughtered their enemies while they were partying. I saw it at blueletterbible, or somewhere. Maybe that's what this revived Judeo-Roman Empire is planning for this year. Maybe that's how we'll be identified and "raptured" to the waiting concentration camps. Maybe, maybe.....I'll celebrate anyway.
You are way more knowledgeable about that than I....however Justin Martyr mentioned that the Jews had already deleted two or three passages in the Old Testament that said Israel would be saved "from the wood", or something to that effect, as he had seen both the original scriptures, and the revised. hmmmmm.....I see he addressed The Law as well....haven't read this in a while: Chapter XLIII.-He Concludes that the Law Had an End in Christ, Who Was Born of the Virgin. Chapter XLIV.-The Jews in Vain Promise Themselves Salvation, Which Cannot Be Obtained Except Through Christ. Chapter XLV.-Those Who Were Righteous Before and Under the Law Shall Be Saved by Christ. Chapter XLVI.-Trypho Asks Whether a Man Who Keeps the Law Even Now Will Be Saved. Justin Proves that It Contributes Nothing to Righteousness. Chapter XLVII.-Justin Communicates with Christians Who Observe the Law. Not a Few Catholics Do Otherwise. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dialogue of Justin Philosopher and Martyr, with Trypho, a Jew
Look King, you're totally confusing Pharisaic "Jews" with Hebrews. Now pay attention please because this will be the most simple explanation of the situation: A. Pharasaic Jews (Babylonian Talmudic Jews) are actually Babylonians not Israelites, and their Laws are NOT GOD'S LAWS, that's why Jesus said "YOUR LAWS MAKE MY FATHER'S LAWS OF NO EFFECT" ... this is a difficult concept for many to understand ... but it's the fact ! B. Hebrews ARE ISRAELITES not JEWS. Once the Ten Tribes of ISRAEL were taken captive in the first Assyrian captivity they never returned to Jerusalem, and were NEVER called JEWS.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
Saturnalia Also around the time of the winter solstice, Romans observed Juvenalia, a feast honoring the children of Rome. In addition, members of the upper classes often celebrated the birthday of Mithra, the god of the unconquerable sun, on December 25. It was believed that Mithra, an infant god, was born of a rock. For some Romans, Mithra's birthday was the most sacred day of the year. =========================================== Chapter LXIX.-The Devil, Since He Emulates the Truth, Has Invented Fables About Bacchus, Hercules, and Aesculapius. Chapter LXX.-So Also the Mysteries of Mithras are Distorted from the Prophecies of Daniel and Isaiah. Chapter LXXI.-The Jews Reject the Interpretation of the LXX., from Which, Moreover, They Have Taken Away Some Passages. Chapter LXXII.-Passages Have Been Removed by the Jews from Esdras and Jeremiah. Chapter LXXIII.-[the Words] "From the Wood" Have Been Cut Out of Ps. XCVI. btw, that Santa link was NOT the one Itisalmosttoolate posted....thought it was until I read the whole thing. I have a copy of the other, which is far more detailed, that I just ran across, while straightening things. If I see it again, I'll post the link. What Justin said about Mithras: "Chapter LXX.-So Also the Mysteries of Mithras are Distorted from the Prophecies of Daniel and Isaiah. "And when those who record the mysteries of Mithras say that he was begotten of a rock, and call the place where those who believe in him are initiated a cave, do I not perceive here that the utterance of Daniel, that a stone without hands was cut out of a great mountain, has been imitated by them, and that they have attempted likewise to imitate the whole of Isaiah's263 words? 264 For they265 contrived that the words of righteousness be quoted also by them.266 But I must repeat to you the words of Isaiah referred to, in order that from them you may know that these things are so. They are these: `Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; those that are near shall know my might. The sinners in Zion are removed; trembling shall seize the impious. Who shall announce to you the everlasting place? The man who walks in righteousness, speaks in the right way, hates sin and unrighteousness, and keeps his hands pure from bribes, stops the ears from hearing the unjust judgment of blood closes the eyes from seeing unrighteousness: he shall dwell in the lofty cave of the strong rock. Bread shall be given to him, and his water [shall be] sure. Ye shall see the King with glory, and your eyes shall look far off. Your soul shall pursue diligently the fear of the Lord. Where is the scribe? where are the counsellors? where is he that numbers those who are nourished,-the small and great people? with whom they did not take counsel, nor knew the depth of the voices, so that they heard not. The people who are become depreciated, and there is no understanding in him who hears.'267 Now it is evident, that in this prophecy [allusion is made] to the bread which our Christ gave us to eat,268 in remembrance of His being made flesh for the sake of His believers, for whom also He suffered; and to the cup which He gave us to drink,269 in remembrance of His own blood, with giving of thanks. And this prophecy proves that we shall behold this very King with glory; and the very terms of the prophecy declare loudly, that the people foreknown to believe in Him were foreknown to pursue diligently the fear of the Lord. Moreover, these Scriptures are equally explicit in saying, that those who are reputed to know the writings of the Scriptures, and who hear the prophecies, have no understanding. And when I hear, Trypho," said I, "that Perseus was begotten of a virgin, I understand that the deceiving serpent counterfeited also this." ============================================ Look King, you're totally confusing Pharisaic "Jews" with Hebrews. Now pay attention please because this will be the most simple explanation of the situation: A. Pharasaic Jews (Babylonian Talmudic Jews) are actually Babylonians not Israelites, and their Laws are NOT GOD'S LAWS, that's why Jesus said "YOUR LAWS MAKE MY FATHER'S LAWS OF NO EFFECT" ... this is a difficult concept for many to understand ... but it's the fact ! Hebrews ARE ISRAELITES not JEWS. **** Once the Ten Tribes of ISRAEL were taken captive in the first Assyrian captivity they never returned to Jerusalem, and were NEVER called JEWS. According to my Bible, it appears the pagan priests of Israel were brought back: 2Ki 17:13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, [and by] all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments [and] my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets. 2Ki 17:14 Notwithstanding they would not hear, but hardened their necks, like to the neck of their fathers, that did not believe in the LORD their God. 2Ki 17:15 And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that [were] round about them, [concerning] whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them. 2Ki 17:16 And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, [even] two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal. 2Ki 17:17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger. 2Ki 17:18 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was none left but the tribe of Judah only. 2Ki 17:19 ¶ Also Judah kept not the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the statutes of Israel which they made. 2Ki 17:20 And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them out of his sight. 2Ki 17:21 For he rent Israel from the house of David; and they made Jeroboam the son of Nebat king: and Jeroboam drave Israel from following the LORD, and made them sin a great sin. 2Ki 17:22 For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them; 2Ki 17:23 Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day. 2Ki 17:24 ¶ And the king of Assyria brought [men] from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed [them] in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof. 2Ki 17:25 And [so] it was at the beginning of their dwelling there, [that] they feared not the LORD: therefore the LORD sent lions among them, which slew [some] of them. 2Ki 17:26 Wherefore they spake to the king of Assyria, saying, The nations which thou hast removed, and placed in the cities of Samaria, know not the manner of the God of the land: therefore he hath sent lions among them, and, behold, they slay them, because they know not the manner of the God of the land. 2Ki 17:27 Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, **** Carry thither one of the priests whom ye brought from thence; and let them go and dwell there, and let him teach them the manner of the God of the land. 2Ki 17:28 *** Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and dwelt in Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the LORD. 2Ki 17:29 ¶ Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put [them] in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt. 2Ki 17:30 And the men of Babylon made Succothbenoth, and the men of Cuth made Nergal, and the men of Hamath made Ashima, 2Ki 17:31 And the Avites made Nibhaz and Tartak, and the Sepharvites burnt their children in fire to Adrammelech and Anammelech, the gods of Sepharvaim. 2Ki 17:32 So they feared the LORD, and made unto themselves of the lowest of them priests of the high places, which sacrificed for them in the houses of the high places. 2Ki 17:33 They feared the LORD, and served their own gods, **** after the manner of the nations whom they carried away from thence.............. http://www.bluelet terbible.org/kjv/2Ki/2Ki017.html#top http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/2Ki/17/28.html ".....Recognizing in these attacks a judgment from the God of the land, whom they had not worshipped, they petitioned the Assyrian court to send them some Jewish priests who might instruct them in the right way of serving Him. The king, in compliance with their request, sent them one of the exiled priests of Israel ( 2Ki 17:27 ), who established his headquarters at Beth-el, and taught them how they should fear the Lord. It is not said that he took a copy of the Pentateuch with him, out of which he might teach them. Oral teaching was much better fitted for the superstitious people than instruction out of a written book. He could teach them more effectually by word of mouth. Believing that he would adopt the best and simplest method for them, it is unlikely that he took the written law with him, and so gave origin to the Samaritan copy of the Pentateuch [DAVIDSON, Criticism]. Besides, it is evident from his being one of the exiled priests, and from his settlement at Beth-el, that he was not a Levite, but one of the calf-worshipping priests. Consequently his instructions would be neither sound nor efficient.........." Commentary: Jamieson, Fausset & Brown The Second Book of the Kings Commentary by ROBERT JAMIESON CHAPTER 17 [blueletterbible] [Perhaps the BABYLONIAN TALMUD, and the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, originated at Bethel and Dan, and NOT in Babylon?] 1Ki 12:26 And Jeroboam said in his heart, Now shall the kingdom return to the house of David: 1Ki 12:27 If this people go up to do sacrifice in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this people turn again unto their lord, [even] unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah. 1Ki 12:28 Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves [of] gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 1Ki 12:29 And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan. 1Ki 12:30 And this thing became a sin: for the people went [to worship] before the one, [even] unto Dan. 1Ki 12:31 And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi. 1Ki 12:32 And Jeroboam ordained a feast in the eighth month, on the fifteenth day of the month, like unto the feast that [is] in Judah, and he offered upon the altar. So did he in Bethel, sacrificing unto the calves that he had made: and he placed in Bethel the priests of the high places which he had made. 1Ki 12:33 So he offered upon the altar which he had made in Bethel the fifteenth day of the eighth month, [even] in the month which he had devised of his own heart; and ordained a feast unto the children of Israel: and he offered upon the altar, and burnt incense......... http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/1Ki/1Ki012.html#29 ======================================== Ezekiel - Chapter 8 Eze 8:1 ¶ And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth [month], in the fifth [day] of the month, [as] I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me. Eze 8:2 Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber. Eze 8:3 And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where [was] the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy. Eze 8:4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel [was] there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain. Eze 8:5 ¶ Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry. Eze 8:6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? [even] the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations. Eze 8:7 ¶ And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall. Eze 8:8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door. Eze 8:9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here. Eze 8:10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about. Eze 8:11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up. Eze 8:12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth. Eze 8:13 ¶ He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. Eze 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which [was] toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Eze 8:15 ¶ Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations than these. Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, [were] about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Eze 8:17 ¶ Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. Eze 8:18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, [yet] will I not hear them. ================================= 1Ch 9:1 So all Israel were reckoned by genealogies; and, behold, they [were] written in the book of ***the kings of Israel **** and Judah, [who] were carried away to Babylon for their transgression. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mic 1:5 For the transgression of Jacob [is] all this, and for the sins of **** the house of Israel. ***** What [is] the transgression of Jacob? [is it] not Samaria? and what [are] the high places of Judah? [are they] not Jerusalem? Mic 1:6 Therefore I will make Samaria as an heap of the field, [and] as plantings of a vineyard: and I will pour down the stones thereof into the valley, and I will discover the foundations thereof. Mic 1:7 And all the graven images thereof shall be beaten to pieces, and all the hires thereof shall be burned with the fire, and all the idols thereof will I lay desolate: for she gathered [it] of the hire of an harlot, and they shall return to the hire of an harlot. Mic 1:8 ¶ Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls. Mic 1:9 For her wound [is] incurable; *** for it is come unto Judah; he is come unto the gate of my people, [even] to Jerusalem........... ** http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Mic/1/5.html ================================= 2Ki 17:28 ***** Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and dwelt in Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the LORD. ======================================================== Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. ----------- Hbr 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. Hbr 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Hbr 8:7 ¶ For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. Hbr 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Hbr 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. Hbr 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: Hbr 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, *** Know the Lord: *** for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. Hbr 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. Hbr 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
Both the House of Judah and the House of Israel were inclined to paganism, or idol worship. They are often desribed as whores, and sisters. Anytime the oral traditions are discussed they are the Pharisaic teachings, which I believe originated in Babylon and is why the Talmud is refered to as the "Babylonian Talmud" and was an oral tradition until the 6th Century when it was codified. (It has nothing to do with the laws given to Moses. And, you can see that even at the time of Moses the people had leanings towards idol worship. Finally, the Jews are made up of two basic factions. The majority are Ashkenazi Jews. These converted to Judaism in 750 AD, and were never part of the 12 Tribes. They make up 90 % of the Jewish population today, but you must keep in mind they were not the Tribe of Judah. The Tribe of Judah was removed from Jerusalem in 70 AD. They eventually converted the Ashkenazi some 700 years later in Eastern Europe. These are the Polish/Russian Jews of today. There are still areas where complete historical knowledge is limited and various authorities have had input into what we're able to read, not all have been forthright.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
English author Charles Dickens created the classic holiday tale, A Christmas Carol. The story's message-the importance of charity and good will towards all humankind
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Just as there is no money in peace or freedom, there is also no money in a healthy Amerika - - IndieTX
#2. To: Morgana le Fay (#0)
#3. To: Morgana le Fay (#0)
#4. To: Red Jones (#2)
I've shown verses on this site several times that show that the bible does specifically ridicule the christmas tree custom. says it is a good example of a stupid custom that people come up with.
#5. To: innieway, Morgana le Fay (#4)
... Jeremiah 10:1-5 explains that this is a custom of the heathen, and if you look up the word heathen in the dictionary it is defined as pagan...
#6. To: IndieTX, Red Jones (#1)
English author Charles Dickens created the classic holiday tale, A Christmas Carol. The story's message-the importance of charity and good will towards all humankind
#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)
As always, good information for us. Thanks much.
-Thomas Paine
#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#5)
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The Bible established Passover, Shavuos, and other holidays, while the judges of Israel (the rabbis) acted upon their G-d-given authority to institute such holidays as Hanukah.
English author Charles Dickens created the classic holiday tale, A Christmas Carol. The story's message-the importance of charity and good will towards all humankind
#9. To: lodwick, Morgana le Fay, Indie Tx, Red Jones, innieway, noone222 (#7)
#10. To: innieway (#8)
I am convinced that the Messiah as well as His followers did in fact follow Mosaic Law.
-Thomas Paine
#11. To: innieway (#9)
spots in your feasts of charity
#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)
(1.) These are spots in your feasts of charity—the agapai or love-feasts, so much spoken of by the ancients...."
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#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)
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I understand what you are saying, but Christians are not "under the law", we are under GRACE.
#16. To: noone222, Morgana le Fay (#15)
Christians are not "under the law", we are under GRACE.
#17. To: noone222 (#15)
I am more inclined to the Hebrew Scriptures than those written in Greek. They had already survived 4000 years of scrutiny and were too well known that they could not have been changed wholesale.
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