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Title: The Real Story of Christmas
Source: History Channel
URL Source: http://www.history.com/minisite.do? ... 2&display_order=1&mini_id=1290
Published: Dec 1, 2006
Author: History Channel
Post Date: 2006-12-01 00:12:08 by Morgana le Fay
Keywords: None
Views: 235
Comments: 20

An Ancient Holiday

The middle of winter has long been a time of celebration around the world. Centuries before the arrival of the man called Jesus, early Europeans celebrated light and birth in the darkest days of winter. Many peoples rejoiced during the winter solstice, when the worst of the winter was behind them and they could look forward to longer days and extended hours of sunlight.

Real StoryIn Scandinavia, the Norse celebrated Yule from December 21, the winter solstice, through January. In recognition of the return of the sun, fathers and sons would bring home large logs, which they would set on fire. The people would feast until the log burned out, which could take as many as 12 days. The Norse believed that each spark from the fire represented a new pig or calf that would be born during the coming year.

The end of December was a perfect time for celebration in most areas of Europe. At that time of year, most cattle were slaughtered so they would not have to be fed during the winter. For many, it was the only time of year when they had a supply of fresh meat. In addition, most wine and beer made during the year was finally fermented and ready for drinking.

In Germany, people honored the pagan god Oden during the mid-winter holiday. Germans were terrified of Oden, as they believed he made nocturnal flights through the sky to observe his people, and then decide who would prosper or perish. Because of his presence, many people chose to stay inside.

Saturnalia

In Rome, where winters were not as harsh as those in the far north, Saturnalia—a holiday in honor of Saturn, the god of agriculture—was celebrated. Beginning in the week leading up to the winter solstice and continuing for a full month, Saturnalia was a hedonistic time, when food and drink were plentiful and the normal Roman social order was turned upside down. For a month, slaves would become masters. Peasants were in command of the city. Business and schools were closed so that everyone could join in the fun.

SaturnaliaAlso around the time of the winter solstice, Romans observed Juvenalia, a feast honoring the children of Rome. In addition, members of the upper classes often celebrated the birthday of Mithra, the god of the unconquerable sun, on December 25. It was believed that Mithra, an infant god, was born of a rock. For some Romans, Mithra's birthday was the most sacred day of the year.

In the early years of Christianity, Easter was the main holiday; the birth of Jesus was not celebrated. In the fourth century, church officials decided to institute the birth of Jesus as a holiday.Unfortunately, the Bible does not mention date for his birth (a fact Puritans later pointed out in order to deny the legitimacy of the celebration). Although some evidence suggests that his birth may have occurred in the spring (why would shepherds be herding in the middle of winter?), Pope Julius I chose December 25. It is commonly believed that the church chose this date in an effort to adopt and absorb the traditions of the pagan Saturnalia festival. First called the Feast of the Nativity, the custom spread to Egypt by 432 and to England by the end of the sixth century. By the end of the eighth century, the celebration of Christmas had spread all the way to Scandinavia. Today, in the Greek and Russian orthodox churches, Christmas is celebrated 13 days after the 25th, which is also referred to as the Epiphany or Three Kings Day. This is the day it is believed that the three wise men finally found Jesus in the manger.

By holding Christmas at the same time as traditional winter solstice festivals, church leaders increased the chances that Christmas would be popularly embraced, but gave up the ability to dictate how it was celebrated. By the Middle Ages, Christianity had, for the most part, replaced pagan religion. On Christmas, believers attended church, then celebrated raucously in a drunken, carnival-like atmosphere similar to today's Mardi Gras. Each year, a beggar or student would be crowned the "lord of misrule" and eager celebrants played the part of his subjects. The poor would go to the houses of the rich and demand their best food and drink. If owners failed to comply, their visitors would most likely terrorize them with mischief. Christmas became the time of year when the upper classes could repay their real or imagined "debt" to society by entertaining less fortunate citizens.

An Outlaw Christmas

In the early 17th century, a wave of religious reform changed the way Christmas was celebrated in Europe. When Oliver Cromwell and his Puritan forces took over England in 1645, they vowed to rid England of decadence and, as part of their effort, cancelled Christmas. By popular demand, Charles II was restored to the throne and, with him, came the return of the popular holiday.

The pilgrims, English separatists that came to America in 1620, were even more orthodox in their Puritan beliefs than Cromwell. As a result, Christmas was not a holiday in early America. From 1659 to 1681, the celebration of Christmas was actually outlawed in Boston. Anyone exhibiting the Christmas spirit was fined five shillings. By contrast, in the Jamestown settlement, Captain John Smith reported that Christmas was enjoyed by all and passed without incident.

After the American Revolution, English customs fell out of favor, including Christmas. In fact, Congress was in session on December 25, 1789, the first Christmas under America's new constitution. Christmas wasn't declared a federal holiday until June 26, 1870.

Irving Reinvents Christmas

It wasn't until the 19th century that Americans began to embrace Christmas. Americans re-invented Christmas, and changed it from a raucous carnival holiday into a family-centered day of peace and nostalgia. But what about the 1800s peaked American interest in the holiday?

The early 19th century was a period of class conflict and turmoil. During this time, unemployment was high and gang rioting by the disenchanted classes often occurred during the Christmas season. In 1828, the New York city council instituted the city's first police force in response to a Christmas riot. This catalyzed certain members of the upper classes to begin to change the way Christmas was celebrated in America.

In 1819, best-selling author Washington Irving wrote The Sketchbook of Geoffrey Crayon, gent., a series of stories about the celebration of Christmas in an English manor house. The sketches feature a squire who invited the peasants into his home for the holiday. In contrast to the problems faced in American society, the two groups mingled effortlessly. In Irving's mind, Christmas should be a peaceful, warm-hearted holiday bringing groups together across lines of wealth or social status. Irving's fictitious celebrants enjoyed "ancient customs," including the crowning of a Lord of Misrule. Irving's book, however, was not based on any holiday celebration he had attended - in fact, many historians say that Irving's account actually "invented" tradition by implying that it described the true customs of the season.

A Christmas Carol

Also around this time, English author Charles Dickens created the classic holiday tale, A Christmas Carol. The story's message-the importance of charity and good will towards all humankind-struck a powerful chord in the United States and England and showed members of Victorian society the benefits of celebrating the holiday.

The family was also becoming less disciplined and more sensitive to the emotional needs of children during the early 1800s. Christmas provided families with a day when they could lavish attention-and gifts-on their children without appearing to "spoil" them.

As Americans began to embrace Christmas as a perfect family holiday, old customs were unearthed. People looked toward recent immigrants and Catholic and Episcopalian churches to see how the day should be celebrated. In the next 100 years, Americans built a Christmas tradition all their own that included pieces of many other customs, including decorating trees, sending holiday cards, and gift-giving.

Although most families quickly bought into the idea that they were celebrating Christmas how it had been done for centuries, Americans had really re-invented a holiday to fill the cultural needs of a growing nation.

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English author Charles Dickens created the classic holiday tale, A Christmas Carol. The story's message-the importance of charity and good will towards all humankind

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English author Charles Dickens created the classic holiday tale, A Christmas Carol. The story's message-the importance of charity and good will towards all humankind

Sure beats Purim, doesn't it? that religious holdiday THEY made for themselves, based on that phony story in Esther that is totally contrary to the Word of God, once you sit down and read the whole thing, and which message is death to, and seizing the property of, one's enemies.

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As always, good information for us. Thanks much.

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#9. To: lodwick, Morgana le Fay, Indie Tx, Red Jones, innieway, noone222 (#7)

I was reading over the article, and also the noahide article on "paganism", and thought "I could have a field day with this." However, I have recently had I Corinthians 13 clunk me on the head, and am afraid I sound too much like 'sounding brass'....something I need to work on. Nevertheless, some things still need to be said, because God has a purpose being fulfilled, and until it is, too many people are dying horribly and needlessly, so will offer some more "dots" [once again] in case anyone is interested. Where to start, where to start.....

"Is not my Word as a fire that hammers the rock into pieces?" :

from http://noahide.com/paganism:

How to celebrate genuine Biblical holidays

The only answer is to return to the original Truth of the Hebrew scriptures. The Bible established Passover, Shavuos, and other holidays, while the judges of Israel (the rabbis) acted upon their G-d-given authority to institute such holidays as Hanukah. When we celebrate these true holidays instead of neo-pagan festivals, we clear our homes of dangerous idolatrous symbols, replacing them with G-dly spirituality........."

"God-given authority"? I think not......

Amo 5:21 ¶ I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

Amo 5:22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept [them]: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.

Amo 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

Amo 5:24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream........

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Amo/Amo005.html#21

**** http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Amo/5/21.html

Mat 21:19 — And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

**** http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Mat/21/19.html

[...and let me snag THIS one:

Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

****** http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Jud/1/12.html

.........in regard to this:

English author Charles Dickens created the classic holiday tale, A Christmas Carol. The story's message-the importance of charity and good will towards all humankind . ]

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from the article:

Real Story In Scandinavia, the Norse celebrated Yule from December 21, the winter solstice, through January. In recognition of the return of the sun, fathers and sons would bring home large logs, which they would set on fire.

from http://noahide.com/paganism:

All of these strange customs originated in ancient forms of idol-worship, including the Egyptian cult of Isis, the Syrian and Babylonian cults of Astarte (or "Ishtar"), the Greek cult of Dionysus, the Roman festivals of Saturnalia and the sun, the cults of the Druids in England, and others. Such pagan cults were notorious for practicing witchcraft, forced prostitution, self-mutilation, human sacrifice to false gods, and even burning children alive.1

In other words, the Church accepted its holiday traditions from ancient Egypt, Babylon, Greece, and Rome--enemies of G-d who fought bitterly against His Word and were condemned by such Biblical prophets as Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel for their wickedness.

Kettle calling the pot black? By deception thou shalt do war? Deceit is our name; projection is our game?

The Israelites were notorious for most, if not all, of the above..... the Greeks and Romans can be traced to the IDOLATROUS Tribe of Dan, and old Jerusalem became the "Whore of Babylon". Is Dan the "Assyrian, ROD OF MY ANGER", which has been used over and over as a means of judgement against a disobedient people? the "robbers of thine people" who destroyed the city and the sanctuary? God did say to them "You have DESTROYED THINESELF".

Jeremiah - Chapter 8

Jer 8:1 ¶ At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves:

Jer 8:2 And they shall spread them before *** the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

Jer 8:3 And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts.....

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Jer/Jer008.html#2

**** http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Jer/8/2.html

[ Jer 8:15 We looked for peace, but no good [came; and] for a time of health, and behold trouble!

Jer 8:16 The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come, and have devoured the land, and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein.

Jer 8:17 For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which [will] not [be] charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.

Jer 8:18 ¶ [When] I would comfort myself against sorrow, my heart [is] faint in me.

Jer 8:19 Behold the voice of the cry of the daughter of my people because of them that dwell in a far country: [Is] not the LORD in Zion? [is] not her king in her? Why have they provoked me to anger with their graven images, [and] with strange vanities?...........] [speaking of which, how many cities in America are cursed with Judeo-Masonic PHALLIC SYMBOLS? Probably as many cities as there are in America.]

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Reading the entire article and the "paganism" article again, some things jumped out at me, and once again I recognized the "hidden hand", that I see occurring again and again, ever since I first read about them - the pagan Tribe of Dan that led the first Israel into idolatry and ultimate destruction:

An Ancient Holiday

The middle of winter has long been a time of celebration around the world. Centuries before the arrival of the man called Jesus, early Europeans celebrated light and birth in the darkest days of winter. Many peoples rejoiced during the winter solstice, when the worst of the winter was behind them and they could look forward to longer days and extended hours of sunlight.....

Why the pagans hated G-d's Word

Most of the ancient world was ruled by "secret" societies--powerful sects that controlled education, religion, politics, and much of the economy. These priesthoods had been charged with the responsibility for teaching about G- d and His Law; instead, the priests became corrupt, hiding the Truth from the common people......

....The priests knew the secrets of sorcery, witchcraft, and magic, and had long been establishing their authority over the people by performing great miracles........ [Indeed the Jewish priests did...see Acts 13:8-12 http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Act/Act013.html#08 ]

....G-d knew the Jewish people would remain stubbornly loyal to His Law,

....Many centuries later, Greek armies oppressed the Jews in the land of Israel, defiling the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and forcing Jews to worship idols. The Greek pagans were furious that the Jews continued to teach the world the Truth, in word and deed. But G-d delivered the Jews from the vastly superior Greek military forces, and when the Jews cleaned out the Holy Temple, He rewarded them by causing one day's worth of oil to burn miraculously for eight days in the menorah. This eight-day festival is celebrated in December as Hanukah....

...Between G-d's own miracles and the Jewish teaching of His Word, the pagan priesthoods of Egypt, Greece, and Rome were steadily losing their power over the gentile populations. They decided to fight back by creating a new religion, one that would claim to be the fulfillment of the Hebrew "Old Testament," yet would bring back the pagan lies in a new disguise.

Thus the "New Testament" was written, in Greek rather than Hebrew, and attached to the original Hebrew scriptures to try to change their meaning back toward paganism.

The "New Testament" tried to change G-d from One, as in the Hebrew scriptures, into a "trinity" as in Egyptian cults or the eastern religions of Hinduism and Buddhism. It described Jesus as G-d in a human body, [note: WHO did Jacob wrestle with IN GENESIS 32:24 ["a man"], and called GOD in verse 30?] like the pagans always described Pharoah and other wicked kings. It declared G- d's Law to be a "curse" that no one can truly obey, announced that there must be a "mediator" between G-d and man, and pretended that salvation could now be achieved outside the Law.

To blind the gentile nations, the "New Testament" also warned people not to learn from the Jews, declaring that Israel no longer possessed the true, complete Word of G-d.

In the Bible, the book of Daniel warned of an evil power--a false religion-- that would believe in the true "G-d of fortresses... plus a god its fathers did not know." This religion would "speak bizarre words about the Most High, wear out the holy ones (the Jews) [He did say He would choose their delusions], and plan to change the festivals and the religious Law."7....

....the judges of Israel (the rabbis) acted upon their G-d-given authority to institute such holidays as Hanukah.

This is surely taken from the wandering minds of the Lostest of the Lost Sheep, the Tribe of Dan:

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"The Unseen Hand

of all the worldly things that reveal the Unseen Hand, love must be the most beautiful"

Night Killer

Times Square, New York City. Piccadilly Circus, London. Le Champs Elysée, Paris. A million watts of electricity turning night into day. We live in a society which prides itself on being 24-hour, round-the-clock. "We never close."

Our culture has blurred the distinction between the two halves of the day so that, on a social level, night has become day. In an agrarian society, the cycle of life used to be dictated by the rise and fall of the sun. The cock crowed. The fields had to be plowed. But now, battery hens burn the midnight oil - or electricity. They, like us, live in a world where we can turn night into day at will. We make night vanish in a second. Nowadays - we can kill the night.

There are two views of the world which stand eternally and implacably opposed to each other. One view seeks to place everything in the glare of day. Its understanding is bounded by that which can be dissected on the operating table of science. What cannot be seen does not exist. What cannot be brought into the light is not there. This is a world whose symbol is the sun that never waxes or wanes. It is always the same unblinking eye of fire. This is the world that wants to murder the night - to turn it into day.

But there is another world - and another people. A people that counts its seasons by the moon. A people who will emerge out of a deep darkness, just like the new moon that seems to renew itself out of a pitch black sky. A people in its darkest hour just before dawn. A people who lifts its gaze above the fluorescent glare of a world that knows no night.

The month of Tevet is the darkest time of the year. Its days are the shortest of the year and its nights the longest. The tribe associated with Tevet is the tribe of Dan. When the Children of Israel traveled and camped in the desert, they encircled the Holy Ark. The tribe of Dan was the most northerly encampment. The North is a dark cold place. The long nights of Tevet are even longer in the North. The Hebrew word for North - tzafon - is spelled the same as tzafun - which means hidden. [note: "occult" also means "hidden"] The Talmud tells us that one of the names of the yetzer hara - the negative drive - is tzafuni (Succa 52).

Beginning on the eighth of Tevet, three days of spiritual darkness descended on the world. The first darkness was the translation into Greek of the Torah. King Ptolemy took 70 great Torah Sages and confined them in separate cubicles and instructed them to translate the Torah. Hence its name - the Septuagint. With the translation of the Torah into Greek, the "lion which had been roaming free was put into a cage." ["Dan is a lion's whelp".] The radiance of the Torah which shines through the sentences, the words and the letters of the Holy tongue, was shuttered into a closed room, its light constricted and obfuscated. For however accurate a translation may be, the Torah's fathomless depths, its mystical secrets, become truncated and lost when it speaks in another tongue.

The second day of darkness was the passing from this world of Ezra the Sofer on the ninth of Tevet. Ezra was among the last of the prophets. It was he who gave the Torah the letters that we recognize today - Ashurit script. By employing Ashurit, Ezra made the Torah accessible to all the people. The Torah's light was able to shine out to the least scholarly of the Jewish People. It was also Ezra who instituted the public reading of the Torah on Mondays, Thursdays and at mincha on Shabbat. Ezra brought Torah to the people. When his light went out on the ninth of Tevet, the world became darker, and the Torah - more constrained and confined.

On the tenth of Tevet, the armies of the Babylonian emperor, Nevuchadnetzar, led by his general Nevuzaradan began the siege on Jerusalem, resulting in the destruction of the first Holy Temple and the exile of the Jewish people to Babylon.

If you think about it, on the tenth of Tevet itself, ostensibly, nothing really tragic happened. No wall was breached. No one died. Not a shot was fired. Only the siege was begun.

You can look at a siege in two ways. A siege stops the beleaguered city from obtaining help and sustenance from the outside. Eventually the hapless inhabitants capitulate because of starvation. However, there's another aspect to siege. A siege also stops anyone or anything getting out. The tenth of Tevet is a tragedy of such enormous proportions because ever since that day, the Torah is itself confined under siege. It is confined in a Septuagint. It is confined in a world without prophecy, a world where what-you-see-is-what-you- get, where everything has to be glaringly on show. The Torah is trapped and confined in a padded cell whose unblinking lights are never extinguished twenty- four hours a day. And all we can hear is its beautiful muffled voice. For it is from Zion that Torah emanates to the world. And Zion was put under siege on the Tenth of Tevet. [don't forget: Americans are declared enemies of the Judeo-Masonic-NWO state]

If you count the total number of candles that we light on Chanuka, you'll find it comes to thirty-six. If you count the number of days from the 25th of Kislev, the day when Chanuka begins, till the end of Tevet, that number is also 36.

Chanuka spreads its light across two months. A month of light and a month of darkness. And even after the last night of Chanuka is over and the blaze of all its eight candles has gone out, and it seems that the night is flooded by the neon glare of artificial light, those thirty-six hidden candles burn on in the days of Tevet for **** the people of the moon like the thirty-six hidden tzaddikim, righteous people, ***** on whose shoulders this world is standing....."

SEASONS OF THE MOON - TRIBE OF DAN

http://ohr.edu/seasons/5759/teves.h tm

[upon WHOSE shoulders is this world standing?

Isa 9:6 — For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called **** Wonderful, **** Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace....

http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Isa/9/6.html

A word about "Wonderful":

It is deliberately mistranslated in the King James Version here [to the parents of SAMSON, A DANITE]:

Jdg 13:17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What [is] thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?

Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it [is] *** secret?

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Jdg/Jdg013.html#18

The correct translation is "wonderful":

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Jdg/13/18.html , and the "Angel" was Jesus.]

See also :

THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN. THE EARLY JEWISH & CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE IDENTITY OF THE ANTICHRIST. by. Janet Moser. ". . .the snorting of his horses was heard from ... http://www.watch.pair.com/dan.html

[Judeo] Masonic Foundations of the U.S. That is the secret name of the Masonic god, the "Lost Word" learned in the ... for the Serpent by the Tribe of Dan, from which the False Messiah will come: ... http://www.watch.pair.com/mason.html -

Under the Noahide Laws It has been pointed out that the second Noahide Law which prohibits ... Under the Courts of Law section of the Noahide Laws is stated: "A person may be ... http://www.watch.pair.com/law.html

Cosmic Christmas: Rebirth of the Sun God Inasmuch as refusal to worship the Antichrist will be tantamount to disobedience of the second Noahide Law, it is certain that death by decapitation will be ... http://www.watch.pair.com/cosmic.html

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from the article:

An Outlaw Christmas

In the early 17th century, a wave of religious reform changed the way Christmas was celebrated in Europe. When Oliver Cromwell and his Puritan forces took over England in 1645, they vowed to rid England of decadence and, as part of their effort, cancelled Christmas. By popular demand, Charles II was restored to the throne and, with him, came the return of the popular holiday.

*** The pilgrims, English separatists that came to America in 1620, were even more orthodox in their Puritan beliefs than Cromwell. As a result, Christmas was not a holiday in early America. From 1659 to 1681, the celebration of Christmas was actually outlawed in Boston. Anyone exhibiting the Christmas spirit was fined five shillings. By contrast, in the Jamestown settlement, Captain John Smith reported that Christmas was enjoyed by all and passed without incident.

**** After the American Revolution, English customs fell out of favor, including Christmas. In fact, Congress was in session on December 25, 1789, the first Christmas under America's new constitution. Christmas wasn't declared a federal holiday until June 26, 1870.

Okay, now this explains a lot!

You could probably put what I know about history in a nutshell, so I wish anyone who has more knowledge than I, would take this and run with it.

WHO were these "Puritans" and "Pilgrims"? From the little bit I have read in the recent past, I suspect that a lot of them were wolves in sheep's clothing. The rest may just have been the "Christian Zionists" of yesteryear.

The reason I say that is because if you study the First Virginia Charter of 1606 [for the Virginia Colony], and then the Second Charter [of the Pilgrim Colony], and the subsequent return of the second colony to the Crown, you will see a distinct conflict between the two colonies, kind of like the conflict that occured between Israel and Judah. The first colony came, and the spreading of the Gospel was a well- spelled-out motive for the mustard seed on those ships. They planted a cross at Cape Henry. The second charter gave lip service to Christ, but set out a long laundry list of material demands. It is apparent that the conflict between the two colonies began almost immediately, and it also appears that the second colony even encroached upon the territory of the first colony. The first colony, as was their right spelled out in their charter, found the second colony impeding their mission to spread the gospel, and had apparently started taking action to expell the intruders. Look them up, and see what YOU think.

As for the pilgrims, recall that the United States is still a Judeo-British Colony [signified by the Hexagram/Star of David/Seal of Solomon over the eagle's head on the $1 Bill], George Washington was told by Gen. Cornwallis that a Holy War would begin against America, and in 200 years America's churches would be teaching the Jews' religion, and we would be working towards "Divine Government", which would be the British Empire. Then read the following enlightening article on the Pilgrim Society:

The Pilgrim Society & English Speaking Union - WHAT ABOUT THOSE PILGRIMS? Courtesy of Timothy Aho, the remarks of Hon. J. Thorlkelson, U.S. Congressman from Montana, follow (a speech to the U.S. House of ... http://www.watch.pair.com/pilgrim.html

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more on these "spots in our feasts of charity"; they're in their last days; this is their last gasp; they will repent, accept Jesus, and be saved; or they will continue in the way of Cain, and be lost forever:

Jude - Chapter 1

Jud 1:1 ¶ Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, [and] called:

Jud 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

Jud 1:3 ¶ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jud 1:5 ¶ I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jud 1:8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Jud 1:12 ¶ These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Jud 1:16 ¶ These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Jud 1:20 ¶ But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jud 1:24 ¶ Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jud/Jud001.html#12

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Now, if anyone read into this that we should not celebrate Christmas [Christ- day], so be it; perhaps you are right, but just understand that while this might please God [and that of course, should be our utmost consideration], it might also please the devil and his minions even more. They don't just want to get rid of Christmas. They want to get rid of Christ and Christians. This country was founded on a cross, being the prophesied Promised Land for Christians. My inclination is not to let those who have rejected Christ dictate how we should celebrate [or not] His birth. Just remember, God told them way back when, because they had made Him jealous with that which was not of God, He would make them jealous with a people that were not a people. We are that people. He is calling us to set them straight.....

2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr010.html#4

...keep waiting for Christians to start their engines.....

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innieway, just seeing your post....will have to get back to it.... but want to say, my church doesn't call Christmas a "holy" day; it is not a "sacrament"; I don't TRUST in it to "save me"; it is simply a day to CELEBRATE the birth of Christ. The WISE MEN brought Him gifts, and I was just reading that the wise men came not when He was first born, but probably after His first BIRTHDAY. [Jesus was in a HOUSE at the time, not a manger]. THEY celebrated, and He didn't kick them out of the house, as I recall. When HE ascended on high, "HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN". What is so wrong about reciprocating? It is not "adding to the Word of God". I understand what you are saying, but Christians are not "under the law", we are under GRACE. The Law says we are not to make idols and WORSHIP them. Who is worshipping the tree? Who is worshipping Christmas? Some of us [most of us, I would say] are worshipping WHO it all STANDS FOR. How can we NOT celebrate?

The Bible may not record that He called us "Christian", but it DOES record that He called us "FRIENDS", like He called Abraham. John 15:15-16. Call Christmas a celebration of FRIENDSHIP with the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-04   14:21:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: innieway (#9)

spots in your feasts of charity

trying to find out what this means......

from Matthew Henry:

"4. In v. 11 the apostle represents them as followers of Cain, and in v. 12, 13, as atheistical and profane people, who thought little, and perhaps believed not much, of God or a future world—as greedy and covetous, who, so they could but gain present worldly advantages, cared not what came next—rebels against God and man, who, like Core, ran into attempts in which they must assuredly perish, as he did. Of such the apostle further says, (1.) These are spots in your feasts of charity—the agapai or love-feasts, so much spoken of by the ancients...."

????

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-04   14:35:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)

(1.) These are spots in your feasts of charity—the agapai or love-feasts, so much spoken of by the ancients...."

These were orgies ... Temple prostitution was flourishing, and huge banquets complete with much wine, food and sexual perversions were taking place.

noone222  posted on  2006-12-04   14:40:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: noone222 (#12)

Well, thanks...but are you sure? ....somehow that doesn't seem to compute.

...have to take a break!

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-04   15:25:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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