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Title: Follow up on the Robbery - tom 007
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Published: Dec 1, 2006
Author: tom007
Post Date: 2006-12-01 23:22:31 by tom007
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Views: 251
Comments: 22

Our shop got robbed yesterday at 9:13 pm. A small amount of money was lost ($800) from the cash register.

Four young black males rushed into our store, two with two drawn semiauto pistols pointing at the head of our clerk, Steve.

He was fooling around on the net (as I do when I can), and was a few feet away from the Panic Button that dials the Alarm company, and then they call the cops. They told him to "freeze" and he did so, thank God.

They really were looking for the keys to the safe in the back, but after three minutes, gave it up and left - leaving our store in shambles. Took the money in the register,that they could have made themselves doing an honest days wages.

The real money was, ten minutes before, locked up in a safe in a steel door that no one outside of a demolition expert is getting into quickly. And these guys were not experts in anything but imitating Hollywood gangsters

Bashed our stearo system, thinking it was a survaillance recorder, and ripped down several fake cameras placed in obvious view, as well as our phone system.

The real miniature camers they missed, and I am going to do my best to post this riviting video of these %*&^%(&^%(&^% for all to see.

It is disturbing and violent.

KKTV(CBS) (clorado Springs) came out today and aired the robbery tonight, along with a small interview with me. And the Gazette will have a article in the paper tomorrow.

It really has been a stressfull day - lots of other things have gone wrong cause of this.

I would raise a glass of wine if all four of these humans were to be killed tomorrow. And I am not happy or quick to say something like this.

When you see the video, most, all?, will agree. That's what I think.

Will be Monday or so before this happens.

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#1. To: tom007 (#0)

Hey tom.. my gosh! .. the good news is that your and your employees are safe!! Very stressful I'm sure..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-12-01   23:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Zipporah (#1)

the good news is that your and your employees are safe!! Very stressful I'm sure..

I gotta keep reminding myself of that. Its a BIGGIE. Thanks for the reality check.

We think they are comming back.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-01   23:28:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: tom007 (#2)

Thanks for the reality check.

You know I need to remind myself of the same.. things always could be worse!

Zipporah  posted on  2006-12-01   23:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tom007 (#0)

They got your Dan Wesson, eh? Sorry to hear that. That's a nice piece to be losing.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-12-02   0:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: SmokinOPs (#4) (Edited)

They got your Dan Wesson, eh? Sorry to hear that. That's a nice piece to be losing.

Yes is is. This disturbes me more than anything else about the loss. The money I would almost never miss. We live a modest lifestyle, and earn a fairly good income.

The idea of this powerful handgun getting into the hands of scoioapathic criminals does not set well with me at all. The cartrides in the pistol were powerful. But they already had, I guess, Powerfull handguns.

The whole incident makes me sick.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   0:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tom007 (#5)

tom, isn't this the second time? i thought i remembered you posting your store was robbed once before.

christine  posted on  2006-12-02   1:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: tom007 (#0)

The real money was, ten minutes before, locked up in a safe in a steel door that no one outside of a demolition expert is getting into quickly.

Several years ago there was a case in my area where two black teenagers went through the roof of a pawnshop early one Sunday morning. They had an ax and a sledgehammer, and thought they could beat open the floor safe. Perhaps they could have, if they worked on it for ten years.

As they went back through the roof there were two cops waiting for them. One gave up. The other decided to fight the cops and somehow ended up dead with his skull split open.

A Darwin Award winner, in the correct sense of the world, since he croaked before could have kids.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-12-02   8:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#6)

tom, isn't this the second time? i thought i remembered you posting your store was robbed once before.

Yep. Nineteen years in the biz with no violence till the last ten months. Some might think hurricane refugees could be an explination. And it may be.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   9:13:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: YertleTurtle (#7)

The other decided to fight the cops and somehow ended up dead with his skull split open.

My compassion seems to be missing this snowy morning.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   9:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: tom007 (#9)

My compassion seems to be missing this snowy morning.

I don't have a compassion gene for such people. I have a smile gene, though.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-12-02   9:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tom007 (#9)

I am REALLY looking forward to your video on YouTube, or wherever you choose to post it...maybe it will help bring these punks to justice.

"Taxes are not raised to carry on wars, wars are raised to carry on taxes."
-Thomas Paine

Lod  posted on  2006-12-02   9:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lodwick (#11)

It will be Tuesday or so before I get it to youtube - assuming I can figure out how to do it. I'm going to try, it's pretty aweful.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   9:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: tom007 (#12)

Looking at the "Upload" tab on YouTube it seems like they have very good instructions on how to get it done - they even have a tab to "broadcast direct from your mobile phone."

Amazing stuff.

Good luck with it.

"Taxes are not raised to carry on wars, wars are raised to carry on taxes."
-Thomas Paine

Lod  posted on  2006-12-02   9:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: tom007 (#0)

young black males

If this had been left out, it STILL would have been my first guess.

The overwhelming percentage of people in prison are blacks. I'm sure the blacks scream "it's a racial thing" but the fact is they are the biggest perpetrators of violent crime - though lately I've been seeing more Mexicans in the mix (most likely because of the large numbers of illegal ones we now have).

Crack-heads don't work for their living... When they can't "hustle" some naive white kid, or pimp out some chick - this shit is what they resort to.

No absurdity is so palpable but that it may be firmly planted in the human head if you only begin to inculcate it before age five, by constantly repeating it with an air of great solemnity. - Arthur Schopenhauer

innieway  posted on  2006-12-02   9:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: innieway (#14) (Edited)

Look at what's going on in the Congo - beyond appalling.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   10:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: tom007 (#15)

I get called racist sometimes, but it doesn't bother me. Maybe that's because I AM... But dammit, the facts speak for themselves. As I mentioned in my last reply, look at the violent crime rate and you see mostly blacks. And as you said, look at Congo.

If you look up the countries with the highest standards of living, the top 20 or so are all predominately white. Most of history's greatest inventors were white. Look at the accomplishments of Gutzon Borglum (chief sculptor of Mt Rushmore, white, born in Idaho), or Michelangelo (if you've ever been to the Sistene Chapel, it almost defies even the imagination that one man could have done that artwork in his lifetime).

If we look back in Scripture we see that Isaac forbade Jacob to marry of the women in Canaan where they were living. (He didn't have a problem with Esau - Jacob's brother - marrying of the local women. Esau means ruddy or red). Isaac instructed Jacob to go back to the "homeland" to Rebekah's (Jacob's mother) brother Laban, and choose from the women there. The word Laban means "to be white". If Laban was white, then most likely Rebakah was too; as well as Jacob, which is why Isaac forbade of him to marry of the different race in Canaan. Jacob fell in love with Rachel, who was described as being "fair" - again, most probably a reference to her skin tone. Jacob was married to both Rachel and her sister Leah, so almost certainly Leah was also white. And it is of course Jacob whom The Creator changed his name to Israel, and became the "father" of the 12 tribes of Israel. (HOWEVER, since Jacob also fathered children from the handmaids of both Rachel and Leah - and nowhere can we find anything of the racial tendencies of either handmaid, we can't say for certain that ALL of Jacob's children were white. BUT we can say confidently that at least 8 of the 12 children were.) It is also this lineage with whom The Creator made His Covenant, and are His "chosen" people; starting with Jacob's grandfather Abraham, continuing through Jacob's father Isaac, and on to Jacob.

Now this isn't to say there haven't been plenty of atrocities in history committed by whites; there certainly have. Look at Hitler, or the Bush family, and there are plenty of other examples. BUT, overall whites have done more for the good of humanity than any other race IMHO...

No absurdity is so palpable but that it may be firmly planted in the human head if you only begin to inculcate it before age five, by constantly repeating it with an air of great solemnity. - Arthur Schopenhauer

innieway  posted on  2006-12-02   11:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: innieway (#16)

If you look up the countries with the highest standards of living, the top 20 or so are all predominately white.

Look at what happened to Somalia after the Italians pulled out, or any previous African colony, for that matter.

India has done pretty well for itself, though, as the population has Indo-European roots.

The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".

Indrid Cold  posted on  2006-12-02   11:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: tom007 (#8)

Yep. Nineteen years in the biz with no violence till the last ten months. Some might think hurricane refugees could be an explination. And it may be.

That's interesting. That makes you an indirectly hit by Katrina.

This is just horrible to read about. Are the other local stores having similar problems? I'm curious, what are the best security measures? Flood lights and cameras? Being armed and prepared to shoot? A good alarm system? All of the above?

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973

robin  posted on  2006-12-02   12:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: robin, indrid cold (#18)

Are the other local stores having similar problems? I'm curious, what are the best security measures? Flood lights and cameras? Being armed and prepared to shoot? A good alarm system? All of the above?

Yes another Liquor was robbed by the same group last night. And we heard that they had hit a store before ours. And that's just what we heard about, the dectectives seem to be deliberately vague.

We are armed and prepared to shoot, but two men burst in pointing semi auto pistols at the clerk - best to comply.

I'd say all of the above. And cash management procedures - getting cash out of the register that you won't need. We got lucky - our clerk took about ten thousand out of the lock box (which the robbers got into easily) and put it into the safe in the lock room twenty minutes before the attack.

Note that the creeps threw a VCR on the floor and yanked a fake security camera out of the wall as well as ripping the telephone lines out.

Our little story was on KKTV news three times yesterday.

We are likely to install an electronicly controlled door lock system for a lone clerk to allow access to the store if he likes the way they look. IOW guys with bandanas over their faces wouldn't pass the test.

Here's the CSPD blotter report:

Incident Date November 30, 2006 Time 9:23:00 PM Division Falcon Shift II Title Robbery Location 3519 North El Paso Street Summary On 11/30/2006, Officers from the Falcon Division responded to 3519 North El Paso Street, Bob’s Liquors, to investigate a possible robbery. Upon arrival officers found the store had been robbed at gunpoint by four or five black males all wearing ski masks. The weapons used were described as silver or black handguns. The business was trashed during the robbery in which cash and liquor were taken. A “Dan Wesson” .357 revolver with a six inch barrel was also taken during the robbery. There was a delay in the report of the robbery due to the fact that the suspects ripped the phone out of the wall and the reporting party had to run to his home and call the police. Adults Arrested Media Contact Name and Phone Number: Lt. Ritz 444-7240

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   19:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: tom007 (#19)

Adults Arrested

They got someone?


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Critter  posted on  2006-12-02   21:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Critter (#20)

Adults Arrested

No. The page formated diffrently than in the original for reasons only Neil McIver knows. I talked to some CSPD officers, one said yesterday he parked discreetly and watched our shop for three hours.

They want to get these guys. If they will do this in a armed store, what might they do to a lady in a parking lot?

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   21:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: tom007 (#19)

I hope they are stopped/caught soon.

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973

robin  posted on  2006-12-02   21:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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