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Title: My Jesus Won't Take a Backseat to Anyone this Christmas
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URL Source: http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/374961661.html
Published: Dec 5, 2006
Author: Sondra Snowdon
Post Date: 2006-12-05 04:11:34 by bluegrass
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Note: To those still sitting on the fence, here's an example of how Jewish supremacists will start to treat others in America when they gain sufficient power in a local government. So much for 'tolerance'. Contact: Sondra Snowdon, Reclaim America Today, sondrasnowdon@yahoo.com, 305-861-8634 BAY HARBOR ISLANDS, Fla., Dec. 5 /Christian Newswire/ -- Christian activist Sondra Snowdon, has been fighting her town of Bay Harbor Islands, Fla. for the past three years in Federal Court to have a Nativity in her town at Christmas. She is now calling on all Christians to respond to the outrage of unfairness in regards to the town giving religious preference to Judaism and the Menorah over her Christian Nativity. Snowdon is determined not to let this situation rest and is calling on Christians around the world to take a stand with her as she fights for fairness again, against her town. On Monday November 27th, the Town of Bay Harbor Islands, Fla. placed the town Menorah in the center position at the town’s designated public forum and proclaimed that the placement of the Nativity would have to be placed “off to the side.” Snowdon’s Consent Judgment signed in the Federal Court with the town demands that, “all faiths are equal” in the designated public forum. The town has already been found by the Judge to have been, for several years, in violation of the Establishment Clause for favoring the Menorah and not allowing Snowdon her Nativity. Still the town insist on both sponsoring the Menorah and placing it front and center leaving the Nativity to be placed in a lower and lesser ranking position. The Judgment gives Snowdon the right for 10 years to have her Nativity in the designated public forum that was created as a result for her Federal lawsuit. Snowdon pays for the Nativity at her own expense. Meanwhile, the town purchased and paid for the Menorah with taxpayer dollars and has given the Menorah preference in the forum. A Jewish resident in Bay Harbor applied to the town to sponsor the Menorah and was refused. The town stated that, “they would be the sponsor of the Menorah as part of their holiday display.” On November 13th at the Town Council Meeting, the town also passed Ordinance 812 to govern the newly formed designated public forum and placed penalties to both fine and arrest Snowdon if she attempted to have any ceremonies affiliated with her Nativity display. For the past five years, those of Jewish faith could visit the Menorah and pray with the Rabbi and light candles each night of Hanukah. However, when Christians wanted a small prayer service, they passed a new town ordinance that no one was allowed to visit the displays. In addition, the town’s lampposts have gone dark within the Business District due to the town refusing to add Christian decorations with their eight eight-foot decorative Menorahs and eight-foot Stars of David’s, that hung in years past. Now, they claim separation of Church and State while still sponsoring a Menorah in the designated public forum. The Consent Judgment provides that if any decorations go on the lamppost that Christian Nativity decorations be added on 6 lampposts. The town would rather go dark and have no holiday decorations than allow Christian symbols be included. In her lawsuit, the town fought in court that the Menorah was a secular symbol and a decoration, not a religious symbol. The Federal Court ruled that the Menorah was indeed a religious symbol. Snowdon does not object to the town having “white lights only” to wrap around the Palm trees in the median of the main street. She believes that, “the white lights can represent that Christ is the Light of the World.” The town’s discrimination against Christians coincides with the release of the motion picture The Nativity Story. Snowdon adds, “Jesus once again has been relegated to the back position just as his birth in a stable over 2000 years ago.” She maintains that “we as Christians today must unite and stand up for Jesus this Christmas and not let Christ take second billing.“ Ironically, during the course of her legal battle, Snowdon started a website to share the meaning of Christmas and help others understand the birth of Christ, which is http://www.nativitystory.com . She is now receiving e-mails at her site in conjunction with the film release. Many think that she is involved with the film because of her story being the modern day version of fighting for Jesus and the Nativity. Her journey has also been difficult along the way, just as the true story. The former Mayor called her an “anti-Semitic bitch”, tried to have her evicted from her apartment , told the local synagogue that they had to warn all Holocaust victims that their was an “anti-Semite” living in Bay Harbor Islands and even called Christian decorations “trivial.” She has received numerous death threats, and her car was intentionally tampered with in an intent to harm. In the recent November Town’s Newsletter, the present Mayor has belittled Snowdon by calling her a “renter” on the island who receives “free” legal advice from Christian Law firms. He goes on to state that she has cost the town’s people thousands of taxpayer dollars in legal fees trying to put Christ back into Christmas at their expense. Snowdon maintains that she has fought for fairness in her town and for equality during the Christmas and Holiday Season. The town to date, has paid more than $350,000 to fight Snowdon in court and is now suing her personally for $45,000 in legal fees resulting from her recent Appellate Court case. The town was found to have been in violation of seven of Snowdon’s Constitutional rights including violation of the establishment clause, freedom of speech and equal protection. Snowdon states, “That if her Constitutional rights have been violated than that affects every American. If we as Americans do not stand strong and fight now to preserve our Constitution than we will all wake up one day and find that our rights have been stripped away and that we are living in a secular country devoid of religious symbols.” Snowdon says that her battle has really just begun and she now needs Christian support. She plans to take her case back into court and represent herself pro se in asking the courts to enforce “equality” for Christ. The Menorah should not get center position. Although Jesus may have been born in a stable, Snowdon refuses to put up her Nativity in an “off position.” She says, “That in this 21st Century, I will not allow Jesus to take a back seat or be hidden away. My Jesus will not be seated on the back of the bus.” Ms Snowdon has been a guest on The O’Reilly Factor. Her story has also been featured on Dr. James Kennedy’s Coral Ridge Hour. She was one of the honored recipients of this years prestigious Salt & Light Award from The Center for Reclaiming America for Christ for her fight in the Federal Courts for the Nativity. Both the national and international press has covered her battle with Bay Harbor Islands. She has also been on several radio talk shows. As a Christian Activist, Ms Snowdon continues her fight to “Put Christ Back into Christmas.” The Rutherford Institute, Thomas More Law Center, and attorney Kevin Brown have represented her. Westlaw has also published her case. Please contact Ms Snowdon directly at sondrasnowdon@yahoo.com or by telephone at (305) 861-8634 (before 10:00AM or after 10:00PM Eastern)
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#1. To: Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Brian S, Jethro Tull, Tauzero, Red Jones, Lady X, noone222, Brian S, christine, Zipporah, robin, Peetie Wheatstraw, HOUNDDAWG, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, tom007, aristeides, Eoghan (#0)
I really wonder if Americans will ever wake up.
"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson
Many of these battles lose their significance when one discovers that paganism was blended with Christianity around the 4th century A.D. Christ's birth was not celebrated until after Constantine. Looking at the commercial aspects today should give one pause to reconsider the entire notion.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
Is this all those nitwits have to fight about? Richard W.
Exactly. I really wish Christians would actually READ their Bibles instead of listening to the fairy tales being spewed from the pulpits...Jesus has NOTHING to do with 'Christmas'. I am of the belief that He was born at Tabernacles, in late September/early October. Even then, we are not commanded to celebrate His birth. I quit observing 'Christmas' a while back, and it does wonders for my stress levels and blood pressure.
Sounds like a heavily Jewish town, so of course unless a nativity is also in the town square as well- all the Christians will stop being Christian. So they sue in court and engage in all sorts of teeth gnashing and feet stomping. Here's an idea- effing move. If you live in a heavily Jewish town and the lack of a nativity on the town square so pisses you off that you simply can't sleep at night then sell your house and move as obviously you hate the community you live in- have made yourself thoroughly despised by your neighbors no doubt as well. This advice goes to the a-hole Jews who throw fits when Christmas lights are put up in towns that are heavily Christian. I am so sick of everyone thinking they are freaking victims in this country because their every belief isn't publicaly validated or some other values are while their minority opinions and beliefs are not given equal billing. Grow up. The town atheist has the right not to be forced to adhere to or follow the values and morality of the dominant religious group of the town- but he doesn't have the right to tell the majority how to observe their faith in public spaces. If he feels "offended" by it? Tough shit- move.
Typical of the lying pettifoggers that is representative of the modern day Pharisees we call attorneys. Mrs. Snowdon should get a clue and purchase some private property in a strategic location and put her nativity display there. I guarantee the town will NOT be able to stop her. And they will make monumental screw ups which will cause more injury to Mrs. Snowdon and give her the chance to sue the shit out of them again, and WIN! We have used this same strategy with PRIVATE property rights and beat the pants off several municipalities in this state over things such as mowing ordinances and ordinances banning the ownership of pit bulls. These governmental entities simply have NO jurisdiction. Their local laws ONLY apply to their own government employees and those under contract with the local governmental entity. And all of their licenses ONLY apply if you contract with a corporation, municipal corporations included.
"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798
I quit observing 'Christmas' a while back, and it does wonders for my stress levels and blood pressure. I concur ... and think the date would have been late September. Me too on both counts.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
PS, A few weeks back some major American Moslem group issued a statement saying they were absolutley against Christmas celebrations being toned down or deracinated of religious content and validated the rights of Christians to publically celebrate their holidays without interference from the state or courts. It got little play in the MSM because that doesn't mesh with demonizing the evil Moooslems- and plus- the contrast of that stance with the stances of certain other groups comprised of members of a well known religious/ethnic minority in this country wouldn't make for good PR.
The day after Thanksgiving is a "No Shop Day" for me. I stay home, period. I find the commercialization of Christmas to be the most repulsive aspect of the entire modern season. I have not put up a Hannukah bush since I was dating a divorcee 25 years ago, and I refuse to become involved in any aspect of it. It makes me sick that the stores already have their Christmas wares on display the first week in November. I even refer to Easter as a pagan holiday with egg hunts being a pagan ritual.
"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798
Don't take my word for it !!! Jer 10:1 ¶ Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. Jer 10:5 They [are] upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also [is it] in them to do good.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
City of Chicago Bans Film Clips of Nativity Story From Christmas Event "The City of Chicago and festival organizers are exhibiting an intolerance that is offensive to Christians who celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The city and festival organizers must respect the First Amendment and put an end to the discriminatory practices," Sekulow said. City officials initially defended the ban by arguing the clips would be offensive to non-Christians attending the month long display, the Chicago Sun-Times reported earlier today. The city did not comment on whether the mayor was concerned that ousting the film from the popular festival would offend Christians and the vast majority of Americans who celebrate Christmas. Officials quickly changed their argument, saying including the clips would be too much commercialism with New Line Cinema “aggressively…trying to sell tickets to that movie,” as a sponsor of the event. As Sun-Times commentary pointed out, however, anti-commercialism was a difficult argument to defend at an event organized by the German American Chamber of Commerce and sponsored by Mercedes-Benz and Lufthansa. Can't imagine which thin-skinned group was offended...
Sounds like a small Florida town full of retired Jews from New York. Instead of suing, the Fundie Christians who are getting so bent out of shape should just withold a little of their slavish support of Israel.
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This spat goes far beyond the question of who gets to display what, where and when. It shows the intolerance of the Jew once in power. This should be the rallying point, rather than the actual historical birth of Jesus. So to answer your question, Americans will never wake up. Just look to the responses on threads like this. The deal breaking fractures among the Aware, over biblical interpretation, trumps unity every time. FWIW, I don’t consider at least some of these fractures accidental. As a friend once said to me, “Who benefits when Christians fight among themselves’?
Biblical interpretation shouldn't keep rational individuals from seeing through the zionazi bullshitsky ... Ray Charles could see through this crap and he's blind and dead.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
Does she have a front yard? She can display her nativity, then. After that she can get in her truck and drive over all of the religious displays on public property, Christian, Jewish, Hindoo or whatever. That shit doesn't belong in the public square.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
I side with the Khazars on this one! Here are two sites which explain Xmas (Xmas being the correct term for Dec. 25th); http://www.giveshare.org/l ibrary/hwa/xmas.html WHERE did we get Christmas? . . . from the Bible, or paganism? Here are astonishing FACTS which may shock you! Do you know the origin of the Christmas tree -- of "Santa Claus" -- of the mistletoe, holly wreath, -- custom of exchanging gifts? The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.
You both need to consider something else here, and that is WHY we were never informed as to when He was born; a birth is not to be celebrated, because life begins at conception. And if it were not for the excessive celebrations of births and birthdays, it would be impossible to get people to accept abortion, BECAUSE THE BELIEF HAS BEEN FOSTERED THAT LIFE BEGINS AT BIRTH. You need to keep this in mind, please.
The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.
Don't get your panties in a wad, Richard ... God has set times called Feast Days (or better stated "set times") that exhibit his authority. In an earlier post I had noted that there isn't even one mention of a birthday in Scripture.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
Sorry, I did not see that. However that may be, perhaps it is something that needs to be mentioned every time you post about birthdays, and not just done once. Just my thinking.
The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.
Bullseye.
Live by the federal court, die by the federal court. Properly it's not any of the fed's business. Still the town insist on both sponsoring the Menorah and placing it front and center leaving the Nativity to be placed in a lower and lesser ranking position. God's anden violin for the Gentiles.
Those who are tardy do not get fruit cup.
Waking up is not enough. James 2:26. But it beats sleepwalking, and changes may start small.
Those who are tardy do not get fruit cup.
On November 13th at the Town Council Meeting, the town also passed Ordinance 812 to govern the newly formed designated public forum and placed penalties to both fine and arrest Snowdon if she attempted to have any ceremonies affiliated with her Nativity display. For the past five years, those of Jewish faith could visit the Menorah and pray with the Rabbi and light candles each night of Hanukah. However, when Christians wanted a small prayer service, they passed a new town ordinance that no one was allowed to visit the displays.
#2. To: bluegrass (#1)
I really wonder if Americans will ever wake up.
#3. To: bluegrass (#0)
#4. To: noone222 (#2)
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Many of these battles lose their significance when one discovers that paganism was blended with Christianity around the 4th century A.D. Christ's birth was not celebrated until after Constantine.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
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#6. To: bluegrass, noone222 (#0)
In addition, the town's lampposts have gone dark within the Business District due to the town refusing to add Christian decorations with their eight eight-foot decorative Menorahs and eight-foot Stars of David's, that hung in years past. Now, they claim separation of Church and State while still sponsoring a Menorah in the designated public forum. The Consent Judgment provides that if any decorations go on the lamppost that Christian Nativity decorations be added on 6 lampposts. The town would rather go dark and have no holiday decorations than allow Christian symbols be included. In her lawsuit, the town fought in court that the Menorah was a secular symbol and a decoration, not a religious symbol. The Federal Court ruled that the Menorah was indeed a religious symbol.
#7. To: who knows what evil (#4)
I am of the belief that he was born at Tabernacles, in late September/early October.
#8. To: Arete (#3)
#9. To: noone222 (#2)
Looking at the commercial aspects today should give one pause to reconsider the entire notion.
#10. To: BTP Holdings (#9)
I have not put up a Hannukah bush since I was dating a divorcee 25 years ago,
#11. To: bluegrass (#0)
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/nov/061130.html
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#12. To: bluegrass (#0)
#13. To: bluegrass, wacky biblical interlopers (#1)
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
Just look to the responses on threads like this. The deal breaking fractures among the Aware, over biblical interpretation, trumps unity every time.
#15. To: bluegrass (#0)
Christian activist Sondra Snowdon, has been fighting her town of Bay Harbor Islands, Fla. for the past three years in Federal Court to have a Nativity in her town at Christmas.
#16. To: noone222, bluegrass, all (#2)
I really wonder if Americans will ever wake up.
#17. To: noone222, who knows what evil, all (#7)
I am of the belief that he was born at Tabernacles, in late September/early October.
#18. To: richard9151 (#17)
BECAUSE THE BELIEF HAS BEEN FOSTERED THAT LIFE BEGINS AT BIRTH. You need to keep this in mind, please.
#19. To: noone222 (#18)
In an earlier post I had noted that there isn't even one mention of a birthday in Scripture.
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
It shows the intolerance of the Jew once in power.
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#21. To: bluegrass (#0)
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
So to answer your question, Americans will never wake up.
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