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Title: When Will the First IED Strike Cleveland?
Source: Military.com
URL Source: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,120114,00.html
Published: Dec 6, 2006
Author: William Lind
Post Date: 2006-12-09 20:08:35 by Eoghan
Keywords: None
Views: 134
Comments: 9

Last week, one of my students, a Marine captain, asked whether I had heard a news report about an “IED-like device” supposedly found near Cincinnati, and if I thought we would soon start seeing IEDs here in the U.S. I replied that I had not heard the news story, but as to whether we would see IEDs here at home, the answer is yes.

One of the things U.S. troops are learning in Iraq is how people with little training and few resources can fight a state. Most American troops will see this within the framework of counterinsurgency. But a minority will apply their new-found knowledge in a very different way. After they return to the U.S. and leave the military, they will take what they learned in Iraq back to the inner cities, to the ethnic groups, gangs, and other alternate loyalties they left when they joined the service. There, they will put their new knowledge to work, in wars with each other and wars against the American state. It will not be long before we see police squad cars getting hit with IEDs and other techniques employed by Iraqi insurgents, right here in the streets of American cities.

I know this thought -- not to speak of the reality when it happens -- will be shocking to some readers. To anyone who really understands Fourth Generation war, it should not be. Fourth Generation war does not merely work on the will of a state’s political leaders, as some theorists have said. It does something far more powerful. It pulls an opposing state apart at the moral level.

We saw this phenomenon in the effect the defeat in Afghanistan had on the Soviet Union. Just as that defeat led to the disintegration of the USSR, so defeat in the current Afghan war will bring the disintegration of NATO. We are seeing 4GW pull Israel apart today, to the point where a leaden blanket of Kulturpessimismus now oppresses that country.

We will see the same thing here, powerfully I think, as a result of our defeat in Iraq. It will manifest itself in many ways, and one of those ways will be the progression of inner-city and gang crime into something close to warfare, including war against the state.

Police will not be surprised by this prediction. I have talked with cops about Fourth Generation war, and they “get it” much better than do American soldiers and Marines. Many have told me that they already recognize elements of war in what they are encountering, especially in inner cities. Cops have been killed while just sitting in their cruisers, because they represent the authority of the state. How big a step is it for those cruisers to get hit with IEDs instead of pistol shots?

The Bush administration, as usual, has it exactly backwards. The danger is not that the “terrorists” we are fighting in Iraq will come here if we pull out there. Rather, American involvement in 4GW in Iraq will create “terrorism” here from among the people we have sent to fight the war there. Well educated in the ways of successful insurgency, they will come home embittered by a lost war, by friends dead and crippled for life to no purpose. Thanks to America’s de-industrialization, they will return to no jobs, or lousy “service” jobs at minimum wage. Angry, frustrated and futureless, some of them will find new identities and loyalties in gangs and criminal enterprises, where they can put their new talents to work.

It will, of course, be only a small minority of returning troops who will go this route. But something else they will have learned from the Iraqi insurgents, along with how to make and deploy IEDs, is that it takes very few people to create and sustain an insurgency.

The boomerang effect is a central element of Fourth Generation war. When a state involves itself in 4GW over there, it lays a basis for 4GW at home. That is true even if it wins over there, and all the more true if it loses, as states usually do. The toxic fallout from America’s 4GW defeats in Iraq and Afghanistan will be far greater than most people expect, and it will fall most heavily on America’s police.

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#1. To: Eoghan (#0)

I'd point towards the Vietnam CONflict reminding others that all Americans aren't susceptible to illogical reactions to war ... on the other hand when the authorities abuse the populace ... the populace will abuse back !

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined."

Patrick Henry

noone222  posted on  2006-12-09   20:19:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eoghan (#0)

very interesting article. Don't know if he's right.

but I think it extremely likely we'll face the kind of violence here that has happened in iraq with regard to IED's and likely who knows what. we're not the first nation that a war came back to bite them on.

as people would say what comes around goes around.

and here's a bible verse.

Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Red Jones  posted on  2006-12-09   20:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Eoghan (#0)

but here's the real reason why there's going to be such attacks here. The US public is not into the war. it must be roused.

here's another bible verse.

Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

how can the empire be prompted to go out and utterly make away with many unless significant provocation occurs.

that's the real reason. the media will give us many explanations - but not the correct one.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Red Jones  posted on  2006-12-09   20:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eoghan (#0)

Last week, one of my students, a Marine captain, asked whether I had heard a news report about an “IED-like device” supposedly found near Cincinnati, and if I thought we would soon start seeing IEDs here in the U.S. I replied that I had not heard the news story, but as to whether we would see IEDs here at home, the answer is yes.

Fucking pikers. I was blowing up payphones and portable toilets in suburban Columbus in 1984. Back then it was just good, clean fun...now it's terrorists with IED's. Someone go buy that guy a clue.

"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk."

orangedog  posted on  2006-12-09   20:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eoghan (#0)

From what I understand most of the IEDs used in Iraq are stolen munitions from depots, killed hummers, tanks and such.

I don't think the inner city guys can fabricate these too easily, and besides most of them are only motovated for $$$ to buy a meth fix.

I will cheerfully allow three trained men with some radios and maps and some tactics along with one well sighted rifle could cause havoic in a city. Four or five such groups could cause chaos, and have the police quivering in fear, not to mention the population.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-09   20:45:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tom007 (#5)

I don't think the inner city guys can fabricate these too easily, and besides most of them are only motovated for $$$ to buy a meth fix.

If there's a Kosher buck to be made...the "Russian" mob can find a will and way.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-12-09   20:47:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eoghan (#6)

here's a Kosher buck to be made...the "Russian" mob can find a will and way.

Well, yes, there is that aspect of our world.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-09   20:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eoghan (#6)

and why would US soldiers learn how to make IEDs when those are enemy tactics. not US tactics. US soldiers might learn what an IED looks like - is made of in their training, but would not be taught to make IEDs except in theory.

and I doubt any US forces will just turn terrorist as the author above assumes.

the US is more likely to be hit with this IED type violence by some intelligence operation of some country somewhere in the world instead of disgruntled US soldiers.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Red Jones  posted on  2006-12-09   21:57:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Red Jones (#8)

the US is more likely to be hit with this IED type violence by some intelligence operation of some country somewhere in the world instead of disgruntled US soldiers.

Seems items are made availble by Israeli satellite nations...

Turkish Police on Alert due to Lost C-4

Nazif Yuksel, Turkey’s anti-terrorism chief of the police department’s Intelligence Service, said 5,000 tons of C-4 explosives belonging to the Iraqi Defense Minitry had been lost, according to the CIA.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-12-10   12:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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