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Title: This is Christmas... uh, excuse me; This is XMAS!
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Published: Dec 11, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-12-11 10:49:00 by richard9151
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Semiramis declared that her son, Tammuz, was in actuality the return or rebirth of her husband, Nimrod. this is where reincarnation was born. And since Tammuz was born on the day corresponding to December 25, this day was highly honored and recognized by Nimrod's supporters. Note, therefore, that this date (December 25) was observed in honor of the birth of Tammuz long before Christianity existed, and that it was not until many centuries later this pagan custom was "Christianized" as being the birthday of Christ (or Christmas day). "It can be stated they worship another Jesus" Nimrod's followers began to also worship Semiramis. And her son Tammuz was worshipped as well. Semiramis was revered by the people and was viewed by many as a priestess and goddess. She soon became known as "the queen of heaven." Thus began the awful practice of exalting human deities. These false beliefs have led up to the many different forms of idolatry that are still practiced by different people today. Yes, it was through the introduction of these satanic evils and the many sacrilegious practices of ancient Babylon that witchcraft, priestcraft, spiritualism, and other forms of paganism were born. On the 25th of December, is "The birthday of the unconquerable Sun" (Natalis Solis Invicti). The ancient pagans believed that the sun would die during the winter solstice and then rise again from death as the solstice ended and the days of light began to lengthen, with the sun climbing higher in the sky, regaining its dominance. December 25 was also regarded as the birth date of the Persian/Iranian mystery god Mithras, the Sun of Righteousness, the god of light, the Grand Deliverer. The Sun God Mithras was a popular deity in the Old Roman Empire, whose cult penetrated the Roman world in the first century B.C. Oh, yes, and note this; "The birthday of the unconquerable Sun" ... And this was also the excuse to change the day of Rest detailed in the Bible, Saturday, to Sun-day. And by all means, when you go to worship the son of god on Sun-day, be sure to go for a Sun-rise service! Yeah! Go Tammuz! For further information, see the book, Two Babylons, free on the net, and the Post, SIMON MAGUS.
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Though I celebrate/observe Christmas I don't get too excited about this new found American dilemma about Christmas observances because I know Christmas was once banned by some of the pre Revolution colonies and it was not observed by the Federal govt until the early or mid 1800s. Another reason I don't pay any attention to this war on Christmas is because Protestants in America tend to be irrational nuts. Protestants go from having problems with Christmas observances (calling them Papist and pagan at times) to now demanding that Christmas get its proper due.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I would bet that if you did a careful study of those so-called Chriatian ministers and groups behind such demands, you would find a close correlation between those who make such demands and those who blindly support Israel..... and are in turn supported by massive infusions of cash by the Khazar Jews..... not that such support would be driven by anything so crass as economic gain of the Khazar Jew controlled corporations..... you know, like Disney and the like....... not to mention the destructive influence such has on Christian families who break themselves financially celebrating such non-sense.... but hey, what do I know....
The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.
I have no clue what motivates American Protestant anymore.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
"Corresponding" is right, as the current calandar was not in effect during the time of Babylon, which makes me curious of a) at what time in history it was determined that Tammuz was born on (backdated) 12/25, and b) if that date came before or after christmas was established as being on 12/25. Mind you I'm well aware that pagen rituals have become recognized as christian holidays -- Easter being the most obvious -- but this warrants a bit of scrutiny.
Perhaps the following will spread some light on the dating; if needed, I can come up with a LOT more. December 25th occurs about the time of the Winter Solistice, the shortest day of the year. The shortening days were taken as a sign that the Sun was getting weaker. After the Solistice, the days begin to get longer ...... and pagan peoples thought that was an indication that the Sun was getting stronger. Thus, the Winter Solistice became the "birthday" of several gods: Attis, Frey, Thor, Dionysus, Osiris, Adonis, Mithra, Tammuz, Cernunnos and so forth. It is a "solar holiday," marking the time that the sun becomes apparently stronger day by day.
The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.
That is good. I have never seen some of the info before. Why do you not post it to the group at large? There would be more than a little interest, I think. Thank you.
The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.
Excellent post! Here is a post I had just made, with a link that may interest you as well. I really did enjoy your link, which provides many good points, though there is one statement in there I would like to dispute. The word "Christianity" is not in itself, any where to be found in the Bible, but the word "Christian" is, though it seems to indicate a negative connotation. This word was used to describe followers of Jesus, and was never used by one of the to describe themselves. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=41282&Disp=48#C48
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i thought about it earlier when i first decided to came back here to start posting again, but as usual, there's just no interest in it here and i don't have that kind of time anymore. i really have no interest in religious flame wars over silly deceptions. Lew has lots of information on his site to read, and his and others books. if you have some free time on sunday mornings, give a listen to Zaks show on rbn... here's his yahoo group and one of his replies i saved. Ps.147:10, "He does not delight in the strength of the horse (Heb. hey-soos/Grk. Iesous/Eng. Jesus); He takes no pleasure in the legs of a man..." Zech. 14:15, "Such also shall be the plague on the horse (Heb. hey- soos/Grk. Iesous/Eng. Jesus), the mule, on the camel and the donkey, and all the cattle that will be in those camps. So shall this plague be." These witnesses clearly demonstrated that "hey-soos" is a real Hebrew word meaning "the horse". The heavenly Father clearly stated that He considers hey-soos "Jesus" as vain hope! Nor does YHWH take delight in hey-soos "Jesus", but will send His plagues upon hey- soos "Jesus"! According to Zech.14:15, the plagues on Jesus/hey- soos/the horse relate prophetically to the Seven Last Plagues mentioned in Revelation 15-18. Here, the Hebrew Messiah releases the judgment plagues upon hey-soos/ Iesous/Iesus/Jesus! In effect, the true Messiah is destroying "Jesus" (Zech.14:15; Rev.15-18). YHWH is not referring to His Flesh and Blood body of Himself known also as The Son! The Father's/Son's Name is NOT "Jesus" "hey-soos" "Iesous" or "Iesus"- the horse! But YHWH (see Yeremiah 23:5,6;Jn.5:39,43;Zak.14:9;12:10) This is the Word of YHWH. Also in Romans 1:20-25, many would "change the glory of the Uncorruptible Almighty into an image made like to corruptible man's image, to birds, FOURFOOTED BEASTS, creeping things. Is not a horse a four footed unclean beast? is not Jesus a greek latin name? yes was not zeus a half horse half man centaur? Is not "SUS" meaning in latin SWINE? another fourfooted unclean beast? indeed, why does hay-zeus spelt JESUS? is not SUS in greek a short form for zeus? Indeed so. (see Eze. 7:20-23;Yeremiah 11:19;Isa.48:11,19; Is all this coincidence? or Circumstantial Evidence? the latter would be more accurate. PRESENTING HEY-SOOS –uc the HORSE! There is only ONE word for "horse" in Hebrew. In Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, this is Hebrew word #5483 "soos". It can be found used 34 times in the TeNaCH (Old Testament). "Hey" in Hebrew means "the", "Soos" in Hebrew means "horse", Hey-soos literally means: THE HORSE! If you can understand that 1+1=2, you should be able to understand this - the Father of love and salvation did not name His Son - the horse! Hey means the, soos means horse. Putting them together...hey-soos means, "the horse"! DO YOU UDER- STAND? Hebrew is the language of the Father and all the heavenly host. The Savior's Name came from YHWH's throne in heaven. The Hebrew-speaking Apostles never called their Messiah "Hey-soos" the HORSE! Hey-soos does not mean Savior, nor salvation, nor deliverance –uc it means: the HORSE. They called him YaHWaH. Those who call upon Jesus are not calling upon YHWH's Salvation, but the horse! "The Horse" is not the name required for mankind's salvation! "Jesus" is a lie, turned into a myth, turned into a perception, turned into an assumption, turned into a "fact". A LIE cannot be a FACT! If we deny His true Hebrew name, He will deny our name in His Book of Life! UNBEKNOWNST TO CHRISTIANS....CHRISTIANS PRAY TO THE HORSES OF WAR! Unger's Bible Dictionary, p.500 shows: "Horse, figurative. On account of the strength of the horse, he has become the symbol of war (Deut.32:13; Psa.66:12; Isa.58:14; Zech.9:10, 10:3); of conquest...The war horse rushing into battle is figurative of the impetuosity of the wicked in sin (Jer.8:6). In Zecharyah 6:2-7 the prophet mentions horses that were red, black, white, and speckled..." As I have clearly demonstrated, "Jesus" is derived from Strong's Greek # 2424 Iesous, pronounced hey-soos which is the Hebrew word for "the horse". In scripture, the horse is a symbol of war. The Book of Revelation is a book of the final war in the Last Days. Revelation chapter 6 describes 4 horses (Jesus') of war, famine, pestilence and death. Hey-soos/Jesus doesn't symbolize life and peace, but war and death! The Book of Revelation was delivered in Hebrew to a Hebrew-speaking Apostle Yahchanan/John on Patmos. This Apostle heard the heavenly messenger of the Messiah say in Hebrew "hey-soos" each time one of these horses of war was mentioned! Now we can see how Satan has deceived the whole world! Satan has duped christians into praying to the horse (Jesus or hey-soos) and the horses of war and death! Oh that christians would wake up and repent of their ignorance and deception! By not searching out the scriptures daily and understanding how Satan has deceived the whole world, christians need to come out of the harlot church system and christianity and be engrafted back into the covenant YHWH gave only to YISRAEL (see Rom.9-11;Jam./Yaacov 1:1,2; Gal.6:16;Eph.2:12;, Christians have allowed the father of lies to deceive them, even calling upon themselves the four horses of tribulation in the last days! Incredible!! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RepairTheBreachByUncoveringDeception/message/187
that's because it is.
Brittany Spears underwear controversies?
...and cartoons that turn their children into homosexuals (Teletubbies and Square Pants Sponge Bob).
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." no doubt.
Mind you I'm well aware that pagen rituals have become recognized as christian holidays -- Easter being the most obvious -- but this warrants a bit of scrutiny. I am unconvinced that any calender day can be associated to a past day with any certainly before the twelth century in Europe. Add to that the discongruities of the cultural counting systems of other cultures, and the sliding calender of the early Romans - it is nearly hopeless, save the few times when fixed by cross dating by eclipses, volcanic eruptions, major battles and the like. Gibbons has convinced me of this. He likewise dismisses the idea of anyone in Europe being able to trace their geneology before 1300 or 1250. He just says it cannot be done. As he was fluent in five languages and read all the pertinant documents it is hard to argue with him. As a fact, that is what so irritated the Catholic church with his "Decline and Fall O T Roman Empire. "He knows our history better than we do" was the official lament by the church leader of the time. And he did.
You have some excellent links. I do not believe that I have seen you on the forum before, but then I am a fairly new member. I do know that I hope you post more often, I truly enjoy your perspective, and your resources. When it comes to religion, I am very opinionated, but I am definitely NOT closed minded. If someone has an INTELLIGENT point, I am always very willing to listen, and learn, and at the very least acknowledge that their point has merit. Please feel free to ping me whenever you are making posts involving religion, especially the history of religion.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
And time to celebrate the returning of the light - So let's put up lights.
Christos is Greek word that translates into English as anointed. No special 'pagan' meaning involved. The Persian king Cyrus was also called 'Christ' in (Isaiah 44:24, 26–45:3, 13).
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Well, for starters, if you had clicked on the LINK that was provided, you would have found much useful information on the word christian. Also, if you read the link word for word, SLOWLY - you will find that yes, it is a GREEK word that has a formerly Pagan USAGE hammerdown, it seems that our friend Destro has trouble with the word Pagan, in our other thread he informed us that it simply meant "village folk". I guess it offends him or something to think that Pagans may happen to be "unchristian" sort of folk instead of simple village folk!!
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Your link is garbage. There is no special pagan meaning to the word (and I find using the term pagan to be ignorant in this context). I know Greek is hard but it's not that hard. Xristos means anointed - that is all. To anoint is to grease with perfumed oil, animal fat, or melted butter, a process employed ritually by many religions and races.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
The link is posted in comment #10, by hammerdown, but here it is again: http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/christian.html and it is an excellent site referring to Pagan USAGE of the term christian, long before "christ" was born!!
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Pagan is Latin for rural folk. From pagan we get the word peasant. The Latin church used pagan as slang for those that clung on to old superstitions and beliefs. Because of that the barbarian west has adopted pagan to mean non-Christian. The eastern churches rather use the more accurate term of idolater - idol worshiper. That is why Greek is still preferred over Latin and English for use in medicine and science - because Greek is more accurate. But I can switch on the cave dwelling western barbarian naked body painting part of the brain and come down to your level.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
That statement is interesting. Any support for it? My opinion is that languages of man are pretty danged inefficient for God to be using to get his Word across and that there is no reason for Hebrew to be an exception. It's also interesting that Romans and Revelation is used to support the idea that Jesus is not the Messiah, even though the latter was penned by one of his apostles who knew him in person. I was taught that Jesus was a historical figure, as opposed to, for example, Abraham who was not. That is, there is a historical record of the man Jesus who was crucified. There is no historical record of Abraham (outside the OT). As for names, when Moses asked God who he should say sent him when they ask for the name of the almighty, the response was "I am who I am". The lesson? God doesn't need a name and therefore, does not have one. A name is a label only, affixed to us when we are born. It's used as a means of conveniently referring to each of us as a particular person. But the name you are called and which you call yourself does not describe who or what you are. What you are is much more than a name. And God is so big that no name can describe all that He is. He is who He is, is the best that can be said. That's why there are, in fact, many "names" that describe the Messiah. The "Alpha and the Omega", "Lion of Judah" and a good many more. So the writer takes exception to the name "Jesus"? The name "Jesus" is just a label and nothing more.
Well, as the Websters definition has been given for your benefit once this evening, I shall repeat it again.........
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That is from that website. That is proof it is garbage. Greek is probably the most scholarly and exact language humanity has ever developed - there is a reason scientists and doctors still prefer to use it to describe things. Hebrew itself may not even be a true language but a patois language which adapted by borrowing words from other tongues as the Hebrew tribes went from place to place and was not even spoken by its own people who may have prayed in that tongue but preferred to use any language but that to communicate with.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
PLEASE tell me that this is not your only reasoning for Greek being the most "exact" language!!! Did you know that prescription drugs kill more people every year than do illegal drugs??? So why are they on the market? They make MONEY. Scientists are willing to plagiarize when they need to get the desired final outcome. GRANT MONEY!!! There is no way that a language as old as Greek can be uncorrupted and unpolluted after all this time. After all - have we not been discussing all evening how things get twisted with time?? Of course we have been discussing religion not languages, but the basis is still the same. Anything handed down for centuries will not remain in its original form.
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There is no such concept in linguistics as a corrupted or polluted language. The fact that you hold such a possibility shows me you are an not serious person - a faker on the scholarship aspect of this discussion. The above website is a religious fundamentalist website which has a religious agenda at the expense of truth. Thus it is garbage and any info that comes from it is garbage. GIGO rules apply. There is a reason the Latins learned Greek as soon as they could talk.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
The fact that you cannot consider the fact that anything THAT old may have changed over time (and that those changes MAY be described as pollution or corruption), and accuse anyone who thinks that this is a possibility as "bot serious" informs me that you are closed minded. As does the fact that you cannot open your mind enough to think that a pagan tradition cited in the Bible MAY have evolved into a christmas tree. I am not here to change anyones mind. I simply thought that the reason that the forum is popular is because at times people like to consider each others Ideas. I can see that this is not the case with you and therefore I have no further wish to continue this conversation.
"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."
I heartily agree. I consider myself to have an open mind, as well; especially in the light of warnings about deceptions and 'strong delusions' in the Scriptures...always willing to consider those things which have been 'hidden' from me in the past, as long as those things do not defy His Word.
What is pollution and corruption when it comes to language? That is the language of religious fanatics - especially from Hebrew-izers who always hated the intellectual Greeks.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I believe that the world needs more people who think like you!
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I don't know much Hebrew, and I don't know much Greek..... But I do know that "intellectual" (and the intellects who use them) Greek words are used because we are too fucking stupid to see what's so plainly in our face. Are we not told in Scripture NOT to participate in witchcraft?????? (At least the KJV does, I can't say for the HCSB) AND what is the Greek word for witchcraft?????? Is it not PHARMAKIA???????? You're right. Maybe we'd be better off if we all learned Greek.... BTW, don't be late for your doctor's appointment responding to shit on the 4um :)
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
Pharmakia does not mean witchcraft it means drugs in Greek. But the English mistranslated that into witchcraft or sorcery. Most probably 'pharmakia', refers to those in the occult who are involved in charms and potions. Remember when the line was written people went to 'witch doctors' for potions when sick because they could not afford medical doctors and medical doctors were probably only slightly better at curing people in those primitive times either. This is me riffing off the top of my head but St. Luke by Church tradition is said to have been a Greek physician so it could be he was drawn to this new faith because they were against such witch doctors who the physicians probably hated the way modern doctors don't like chiropractors.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
But the English mistranslated that into witchcraft or sorcery. Again, you are correct. So, SCRIPTURALLY speaking, instead of witchcraft being "banned", instead it would be more accurate to say drugs (and I would presume the administration of them) are to be avoided... I wouldn't know. I'd ask my doctor, but I don't have one.
No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer
Oh, yes, and note this; "The birthday of the unconquerable Sun" ... And this was also the excuse to change the day of Rest detailed in the Bible, Saturday, to Sun-day. And by all means, when you go to worship the son of god on Sun-day, be sure to go for a Sun-rise service! Yeah! Go Tammuz! note to myself for future reference and study: "Beth-shemesh = "house of the sun" or "sun-temple" 1) a town in southwest Judah 2) a town in Naphtali 3) a town in Issachar 4) a town in Egypt....... a town...of the Levites...on the border of the tribes of Judah and DAN and the Philistines...." http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi- bin/words.pl?word=010538&page=1 "...Jdg 1:33 Neither did Naphtali 05321 drive out 03423 the inhabitants 03427 of Bethshemesh 01053, nor the inhabitants 03427 of Bethanath 01043; but he dwelt 03427 among 07130 the Canaanites 03669, the inhabitants 03427 of the land 0776: nevertheless the inhabitants 03427 of Bethshemesh 01053 and of Bethanath 01043 became tributaries 04522 unto them......" "...Jer 43:13 He shall break 07665 also the images 04676 of Bethshemesh 01053, that [is] in the land 0776 of Egypt 04714; and the houses 01004 of the gods 0430 of the Egyptians 04714 shall he burn 08313 with fire 0784." Blue Letter Bible. "Dictionary and Word Search for 'Beyth Shemesh (Strong's 01053)' " . Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2002. 17 Dec 2006. http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi- bin/words.pl?word=01053&page=1 -------------------------------------------------- something to think about. WHAT "JESUS" MEANS IN HEBREW In the Hebrew language, the name "Jesus" does not derive from salvation. The Heavenly Father did not leave us without witness' of this "grave" error. The Greek form of "Jesus" being Iesous, is pronounced "hey-soos" and can be found in the Hebrew writings! Hey- soos is a legitimate Hebrew word! "Jesus" transliterated into Hebrew is "hey-soos". The following three verses show the word hey-soos being used in its original and true form, without the (J) of course as we have learned doesn't exist in Hebrew, Greek or Latin. In each revealing verse, the Hebrew word hey-soos (Jesus) does not mean salvation, but "the horse"! Ps.33:17, "The horse (Heb. hey-soos/Grk. Iesous/Eng. Jesus) is a vain hope for safety; neither shall it deliver any by its great strength."...........The Hebrew-speaking Apostles never called their Messiah "Hey-soos" the HORSE! Hey-soos does not mean Savior, nor salvation, nor deliverance –uc it means: the HORSE. They called him YaHWaH. Those who call upon Jesus are not calling upon YHWH's Salvation, but the horse! "The Horse" is not the name required for mankind's salvation! "Jesus" is a lie, turned into a myth, turned into a perception, turned into an assumption, turned into a "fact". A LIE cannot be a FACT! If we deny His true Hebrew name, He will deny our name in His Book of Life! UNBEKNOWNST TO CHRISTIANS....CHRISTIANS PRAY TO THE HORSES OF WAR! Now THAT's interesting! and will require more study.....Why am I shocked, but not surprised? This is just MORE evidence that the main enemies of God are from some of the bloodline of the tribe of Dan, who we have been told would produce "the antichrist". in Romans 1:20-25, many would "change the glory of the Uncorruptible Almighty into an image made like to corruptible man's image, to birds, FOURFOOTED BEASTS, creeping things. Is not a horse a four footed unclean beast? is not Jesus a greek latin name? yes was not zeus a half horse half man centaur? Is not "SUS" meaning in latin SWINE? another fourfooted unclean beast? indeed, why does hay-zeus spelt JESUS? is not SUS in greek a short form for zeus?......." connecting some dots.....and just some random "thoughts": The Greeks and Romans can be traced to the tribe of Dan. [search] LOST TRIBES of ISRAEL God immediately clarifies by telling us that Ahola is Samaria, the symbol of the northern kingdom, called the House of Israel. ... http://asis.com/~stag/losttrib.html The symbols of DAN: A SERPENT and a **** HORSE Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way ...that biteth the horses heels [and maketh the rider fall backward] SYMBOLS OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL http://asis.com/~stag/symbols.html Another significant symbol of the tribe of Dan is the EAGLE: See US Seal: http://asis.com/~stag/seal.html Masonic Foundations of the U.S. [SEE SECOND EAGLE EZEKIEL 17:1-10] The standard of the tribe was of white and red and the crest upon it an eagle. . .Jacob had compared Dan to a serpent. Ahiezer substituted the eagle, ... http://www.watch.pair.com/mason.html - more.... **** The Lost Tribe of DanE. The Eagle. 1. Tribe of Dan. "Dan's position in the journey was on the North ... Hall, Manly P. THE LOST KEYS OF FREEMASONRY OR THE SECRET OF HIRAM ABIFF, ... http://www.watch.pair.com/dan.html - [if you have never read this before, this is a MUST READ.] NaziBush's Skull and Bones swastika of the tribe of Dan ... We've lost a loved one and friends to people who go free for murder. ... http://www.samliquidation.com/nazi .htm - falsechrist He shall come as an eagle against the house of the LORD, because they have ... THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN. The Early Jewish & Christian View of the Identity of ... http://www.samliquidation.c om/falsechrist.htm PRINCE WILLIAM IS THE ANTICHRIST | Revelation's Prophecy Revealed ...Next, Antichrist then makes way for all the "lost tribes of Israel" to return, ... For although England is called the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, ... http://www.angelfire.com/ alt2/antichrist/1.html [note: Bush, William, Charles, and many others add up to 666, as did Nero.] The Forum :: View topic - Mystery, Babylon the Great: Catholic or ...To understand the significance of this meridian see The Lost Tribe of Dan, under Locations “C. Territories of Dan in the Land of Israel.” ... http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/ viewtopic.php?t=11274&highlight=templars [I have not checked this one out yet, but he must be talking about the 33rd meridian] excerpt LOST TRIBE OF DAN [...ancient view of the "antichrist"]: "...The Merovingians, who plan to rule the world from their future throne at Jerusalem, claim to come from the tribe of Judah through Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. However, the weight of evidence indicates that they descended from the tribe of Dan. Although Scripture states that Samson was “of the family of the Danites” [Judges 13:2], Yair Davidy of Brit-Am Israel claims that his lineage includes the Messianic tribe of Judah: “Samson the superman hero came from the Tribe of Dan but his mother was from Judah. Samson, in some respects, was considered a forerunner of the Messiah who will come from Judah but his mother, according to the Midrash will be of the Tribe of Dan.” [Brit-Am Israel newsletter, 2/9/99] ......." ".....II. Consider the People The Arcadian roots of the Merovingians, Spartans and Celts seem to be connected to the tribe of Dan because of their use of Dan-related place-names, personal names and peculiarities, i.e., Baal/goddess worship and architectural skills. III. Consider the Locations The Tribe of Dan inherited the pre-flood paganism [Baal worship] of the Canaanites [descendants of Ham and his son, Canaan] who occupied the northern area of Palestine at Mt. Hermon/Sion. Located at the 33rd degree, the ancient tribe of Dan influenced the basis of modern Freemasonry. IV. Consider the Symbols The symbols of the tribe of Dan are used by the Merovingians, the House of Stewart [Prince Michael] and the Judeo-Masonic authors of the Protocols of Sion [Representatives of Sion of the 33rd degree]. V. Consider the Sin The Tribe of Dan was involved in a substitute worship system at Mt. Hermon/Sion that was both opposed to and removed from the true worship of God at Mount Zion in Jerusalem. VI. Consider the Plan The Judeo-Masonic conspirators have revealed to their own elect and concealed from the profane the fact that a Danite false messiah will reign from the territory of Mount Sion in Dan rather than Mount Zion in Jerusalem. Their ultimate objective is to recreate the pre-flood pagan culture which God once judged and will judge again. [see also http://thewildlandsprojectreveale d.com] INTRODUCTION The purpose of the report will be to consider six major areas concerning the tribe and territory of Dan in order to see if there is any merit, at this point in history, to the following tradition as it was expressed by the early church fathers and the Jewish Encylopedia. "Irenaeus ('Heresies' Vol. 302), Hippolytus ('De Christo et Antichristo', pp. 14,15), and other Church fathers have a tradition which can not but be of Jewish origin, that the Antichrist comes from the tribe of Dan, and base it upon Jer. VIII.16: 'The snorting of his (the enemies) his horses was heard from Dan'. . . Irenaeus remarks that Dan is, in view of this tradition, not in the Apocalypse (Rev.vii.5-7) among the 144,000 saved ones of the twelve tribes. Nor is the omission of Dan in I Chron. iv. et seq. unintentional. . . Dan became the very type of evildoing. He was placed in the north (Num.ii.25), this being the region of darkness and evil (Jer. i.14) because of his idolatry which wrapped the world in darkness (Num.ii.)." [Singer, The Jewish Encyclopedia, ("Dan"), p. 423] "And Jeremiah does not merely point out his [Antichrist] sudden coming, but he even indicates the tribe from which he shall come where he says 'We shall hear the voice of his swift horses from Dan; the whole earth shall be moved by the voice of the neighing of his galloping horses: he shall also come and devour the earth, and the fulness thereof, the city also, and they that dwell therein.' This, too, is the reason that this tribe is not reckoned in the Apocalypse along with those which are saved." [Irenaeus, "Against Heresies," Vol. I of Ante-Nicean Fathers, p. 559] I. CONSIDER THE PROPHECIES A. The Antichrist 1. He is a Jew Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers . . .nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. Daniel 11:37 2. He is from the tribe/region of Dan We looked for peace, but no good came; and for a time of health, and behold trouble! The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come, and have devoured the land, and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein. For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 8:15- 17 3. He is from the serpent's root. Please note the context of Isaiah 14 is Lucifer's fall to earth in the endtime [Revelation 12]. Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent. . . Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. Isaiah 14:29,31 B. The Messiah 1. Will come from Sion And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. . . Romans 11:26........" http://www.watch.pair.com/dan.html They reveal their Messiah complex here: ".....Chanuka spreads its light across two months. A month of light and a month of darkness. And even after the last night of Chanuka is over and the blaze of all its eight candles has gone out, and it seems that the night is flooded by the neon glare of artificial light, those thirty-six hidden candles burn on in the days of Tevet for the people of the moon like the thirty-six hidden tzaddikim, righteous people, on whose shoulders this world is standing. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, a Son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder and His name shalled by called, Wonderful, Counsellor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, THE PRINCE OF PEACE....furthermore, it is the Chabad Lubavitchers, who are the grinches who would steal Christmas and replace it with Chanukah. Chabad standing for WISDOM, UNDERSTANDING, AND KNOWLEDGE....search at blueletterbible.org...three terms mentioned in relation to a son of the tribe of Judah and a son of the tribe of Dan. [see also the reference re: light versus dark; Dan's position on the NORTH; and a commentary on the Torah being translated into the Greek:] "....Beginning on the eighth of Tevet, three days of spiritual darkness descended on the world. The first darkness was the translation into Greek of the Torah. King Ptolemy took 70 great Torah Sages and confined them in separate cubicles and instructed them to translate the Torah. Hence its name - the Septuagint. With the translation of the Torah into Greek, the "lion which had been roaming free was put into a cage." The radiance of the Torah which shines through the sentences, the words and the letters of the Holy tongue, was shuttered into a closed room, its light constricted and obfuscated. For however accurate a translation may be, the Torah's fathomless depths, its mystical secrets, become truncated and lost when it speaks in another tongue....." Seasons of the Moon - Night Killer - The Tribe of Dan http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/1401 --------------------------- more study needed..... Exd 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Exd 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name [is] in him..... http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd023.html#21 http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Exd/23/21.html ---------------- have to run....thank you both for this information.
Excellent post and additions. I was also shocked to learn about Jesus, but not really, as I have always used The Christ more than anything else. One caution; be careful about the so-called Anti- Christ, as the word only appears four times in the Bible, and only by John. And, refers to the spirit of the Anti-Christ, more than to an individual. In that respect, certainly the tribe of Dan can be a carrier for the Anti-Christ spirit, but not of an INDIVIDUAL Anti-Christ. There have been, and will continue to be, a large number of different Anti- Christs in the world. UNTIL THE PEOPLE DECIDE OTHERWISE! Blessings.
The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.
#2. To: Destro (#1)
to now demanding that Christmas get its proper due.
#3. To: richard9151 (#2)
#4. To: richard9151 (#0)
Semiramis declared that her son, Tammuz, was in actuality the return or rebirth of her husband, Nimrod. this is where reincarnation was born. And since Tammuz was born on the day corresponding to December 25, this day was highly honored and recognized by Nimrod's supporters. Note, therefore, that this date (December 25) was observed in honor of the birth of Tammuz long before Christianity existed,
#5. To: Neil McIver (#4)
Corresponding" is right, as the current calandar was not in effect during the time of Babylon,
#6. To: richard9151 (#0)
#7. To: hammerdown (#6)
(All of it!)
#8. To: hammerdown (#6)
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#9. To: richard9151 (#7)
something to think about.WHAT "JESUS" MEANS IN HEBREW In the Hebrew language, the name "Jesus" does not derive from salvation. The Heavenly Father did not leave us without witness' of this "grave" error. The Greek form of "Jesus" being Iesous, is pronounced "hey-soos" and can be found in the Hebrew writings! Hey- soos is a legitimate Hebrew word! "Jesus" transliterated into Hebrew is "hey-soos". The following three verses show the word hey-soos being used in its original and true form, without the (J) of course as we have learned doesn't exist in Hebrew, Greek or Latin. In each revealing verse, the Hebrew word hey-soos (Jesus) does not mean salvation, but "the horse"! Ps.33:17, "The horse (Heb. hey-soos/Grk. Iesous/Eng. Jesus) is a vain hope for safety; neither shall it deliver any by its great strength."
#10. To: ladybug (#8)
it seems to indicate a negative connotation.
CHRISTIAN ~ the word is Greek, and has a formerly Pagan usage:
#11. To: Destro (#3)
I have no clue what motivates American Protestant anymore.
#12. To: tom007 (#11)
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973
#13. To: tom007 (#11)
#14. To: Neil McIver (#4)
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Corresponding" is right, as the current calandar was not in effect during the time of Babylon, which makes me curious of a) at what time in history it was determined that Tammuz was born on (backdated) 12/25, and b) if that date came before or after christmas was established as being on 12/25.
#15. To: hammerdown (#10)
that's because it is. CHRISTIAN ~ the word is Greek, and has a formerly Pagan usage:
#16. To: richard9151 (#5)
After the Solistice, the days begin to get longer ..
#17. To: hammerdown, ladybug (#10)
CHRISTIAN ~ the word is Greek, and has a formerly Pagan usage:
#18. To: Destro, hammerdown (#17)
No special 'pagan' meaning involved.
CHRISTIAN ~ the word is Greek, and has a formerly Pagan usage:
#19. To: ladybug (#18)
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Well, for starters, if you had clicked on the LINK that was provided, you would have found much useful information on the word christian. Also, if you read the link word for word, SLOWLY - you will find that yes, it is a GREEK word that has a formerly Pagan USAGE
#20. To: Destro (#19)
Your link is garbage.
#21. To: ladybug, hammerdown (#18)
hammerdown, it seems that our friend Destro has trouble with the word Pagan, in our other thread he informed us that it simply meant "village folk". I guess it offends him or something to think that Pagans may happen to be "unchristian" sort of folk instead of simple village folk!!
#22. To: hammerdown (#9)
Hebrew is the language of the Father and all the heavenly host.
#23. To: Destro (#21)
But I can switch on the cave dwelling western barbarian naked body painting part of the brain and come down to your level.
#24. To: ladybug, hammerdown (#20)
Greek is a corrupted, polluted language to begin with
#25. To: Destro (#24)
there is a reason scientists and doctors still prefer to use it to describe things.
#26. To: ladybug (#25)
There is no way that a language as old as Greek can be uncorrupted and unpolluted after all this time.
#27. To: Destro (#26)
The fact that you hold such a possibility shows me you are an not serious person - a faker on the scholarship aspect of this discussion.
#28. To: ladybug, hammerdown (#15)
When it comes to religion, I am very opinionated, but I am definitely NOT closed minded. If someone has an INTELLIGENT point, I am always very willing to listen, and learn, and at the very least acknowledge that their point has merit.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#29. To: ladybug (#27)
The fact that you cannot consider the fact that anything THAT old may have changed over time (and that those changes MAY be described as pollution or corruption)
#30. To: who knows what evil (#28)
always willing to consider those things which have been 'hidden' from me in the past, as long as those things do not defy His Word.
#31. To: Destro (#29)
That is the language of religious fanatics - especially from Hebrew-izers who always hated the intellectual Greeks.
#32. To: innieway (#31)
Are we not told in Scripture NOT to participate in witchcraft?????? (At least the KJV does, I can't say for the HCSB) AND what is the Greek word for witchcraft?????? Is it not PHARMAKIA????????
#33. To: Destro (#32)
Pharmakia does not mean witchcraft it means drugs in Greek.
#34. To: richard9151, hammerdown (#0)
the 25th of December, is "The birthday of the unconquerable Sun" (Natalis Solis Invicti). The ancient pagans believed that the sun would die during the winter solstice and then rise again from death as the solstice ended and the days of light began to lengthen, with the sun climbing higher in the sky, regaining its dominance. December 25 was also regarded as the birth date of the Persian/Iranian mystery god Mithras, the Sun of Righteousness, the god of light, the Grand Deliverer. The Sun God Mithras was a popular deity in the Old Roman Empire, whose cult penetrated the Roman world in the first century B.C.
#35. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, hammerdown, Max, all (#34)
WHAT "JESUS" MEANS IN HEBREW In the Hebrew language, the name "Jesus" does not derive from salvation. The Heavenly Father did not leave us without witness' of this "grave" error. The Greek form of "Jesus" being Iesous, is pronounced "hey-soos" and can be found in the Hebrew writings! Hey- soos is a legitimate Hebrew word! "Jesus" transliterated into Hebrew is "hey-soos". The following three verses show the word hey-soos being used in its original and true form, without the (J) of course as we have learned doesn't exist in Hebrew, Greek or Latin. In each revealing verse, the Hebrew word hey-soos (Jesus) does not mean salvation, but "the horse"! Ps.33:17, "The horse (Heb. hey-soos/Grk. Iesous/Eng. Jesus) is a vain hope for safety; neither shall it deliver any by its great strength."...........The Hebrew-speaking Apostles never called their Messiah "Hey-soos" the HORSE! Hey-soos does not mean Savior, nor salvation, nor deliverance –uc it means: the HORSE. They called him YaHWaH. Those who call upon Jesus are not calling upon YHWH's Salvation, but the horse! "The Horse" is not the name required for mankind's salvation! "Jesus" is a lie, turned into a myth, turned into a perception, turned into an assumption, turned into a "fact". A LIE cannot be a FACT! If we deny His true Hebrew name, He will deny our name in His Book of Life! UNBEKNOWNST TO CHRISTIANS....CHRISTIANS PRAY TO THE HORSES OF WAR!
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