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Title: Anthropologist Defends Apocalypto
Source: Prison Planet
URL Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/121206defends.htm
Published: Dec 13, 2006
Author: Dr. Barbara MacLeod
Post Date: 2006-12-13 11:05:21 by richard9151
Keywords: None
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Comments: 3

Anthropologist Defends Apocalypto

Scholar who worked on Gibson's film says he got it right

Prison Planet

Tuesday, December 12, 2006

We welcome Dr. Barbara MacLeod's passionate defense of Mel Gibson's Apocalypto based on sound research and evidence, rather than emotional hyperbole and the mental illness of the PC crowd. Alex Jones just considers himself somewhat of a buff on this subject and was questioned by some for defending the film as historically accurate. His argument is expertly supported by the following comments.

We consider Dr. MacLeod's rebuttal an excellent counter to the ravings of Julia Guernsey, who, in an interview with the Austin-American Statesman, excused human sacrifice as a "valid" and "pious act" done "with solemnity."

We are now contacting Dr. MacLeod in the hope of having her appear on The Alex Jones Show.

RELATED: Apocalypto: The Most Powerful Film Of All Time

I am an academic (Ph.D., Anthropology, UT/Austin 1990, specializing in Mayan languages and hieroglyphic writing) and an expert on Yucatec Maya, the language in Apocalypto. I was hired by Mel Gibson to assist with post-production ADR for this movie in Los Angeles during the fall of 2006. This involved a lot of overdubbing and addition of off-camera lines over two months. I coached nearly all the principal actors and many others, got to know many of the Icon staff and had a lot of personal interaction with Mel.

I would like to forward a response I wrote to the the detractors--the film critics and the unhappy academics--and posted on another online board.

I am pasting it below. I'd be happy to have parts or all of it publicized by Alex if he's interested.

Dr. Barbara MacLeod

**

On Dissin' Mel...

I haven't seen the finished product yet, though during post-production I saw some scenes 20+ times, and over many work days saw most of it 5-6 times. I have some of the Yucatec dialogue memorized--the high priest's speech especially. I also saw the rough cut (minus the score and the special effects) at a secret screening in October. Apocalypto is a thrill ride, and that was its core premise--a high-adrenaline Precolumbian Native American foot chase. Mel said it was originally going to be a northern North America setting, but then he decided upon the Maya. The allegory developed as the story evolved.

Some of the academic Mayanists are offended that *their* view of the Maya (historically accurate, intellectually superior, politically correct) is not represented by someone else's fictional narrative. And the offense is exacerbated by the appearance of authenticity (to which yours truly contributed), so that the "unsuspecting public" (that is, you!!) will be suckered in. Horrors!!! We academics should instead shepherd you along the path to righteousness! And the issue of Maya blood sacrifice may still be a bit embarrassing to these folks (not to mention ancient Maya ritual torture--ripping off lower jaws from living captives, breaking fingers, binding alive in a ball and kicking down steps, etc.--none of which appears in the movie) and they would rather set up the Aztec straw man ("THEY did mass sacrifices, not OUR guys!") than face the truth of it...and then mask their own personal intolerance for gore with professional indignation at Mel Gibson's indulgence of it--which w!

As to be expected; that's part of his artistic palette. If they can't stomach it, fair enough, but let's be honest about it.

And of course the press eats this scorn up with titles like 'Bungle in the Jungle':

http://www.sfgate.com/

Dang. Didn't them ivy-covered types ever read comic books when they were kids?

I saw the heart-ripping-out scene a dozen or more times as we did the overdubs. One habituates quickly. Mel's personal haircutter was there cutting his hair (before the Diane Sawyer interview) while that scene repeated and repeated and she didn't faint or vomit, or gasp in horror. As she left, she was sworn to secrecy, tongue-in-cheek, by both Mel and myself. We were all laughing, believe it or not. But I still have my reality coordinates about me.

I am acutely aware of the parts of Apocalypto that are not authentic (five-minute eclipse, for example, and the merging of Preclassic mural art and Classic architecture into a Postclassic setting, the innocent forest-dwellers who have never heard of the big city, the high-rainforest mountainous landscape, and more), but I accept it and suspend disbelief just as I shrug off the incomplete representation of, say, American culture in a movie like The Firm, which makes all lawyers and law firms look utterly sleazy (heh, er, surely they aren't *all* that bad??).

So, in defense of Apocalypto, it is a visually stunning action-adventure film in an exotic setting, with blood aplenty, but it's far less gratuitous than the violence in many Hollywood films. Apart from the sheer numbers of victims (a real exaggeration), the violence is itself pretty authentic. That the Maya were far more than violent, that they were intellectually advanced with astonishing art, science, math and literature (which I can read in the original) and complex social organization--is indisputable. But when a filmmaker has two-plus hours to tell a story, there's a lot that has to be left out. And yes, the image of the Maya in the film is distorted so as to make the ponderous aristocracy into warlike villains who are themselves at the mercy of bloodthirsty gods. I am not so sure that's fiction, and I know a lot about them.

The final scene is, I think, what rankles all the PC advocates the most: the Spanish are coming! The Spanish are coming! --ah, to save the Maya from themselves.

The plague seen in the movie suggests that they have already brought smallpox. That's hardly salvation. In fact, smallpox reached Yucatan from Central Mexico before the white man arrived in Yucatan .

I see that final scene as a deliberate and wrenching twist of irony, recalling the lyrics of The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again:

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again

I'll move myself and my family aside

If we happen to be left half alive

I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky

For I know that the hypnotized never lie

***

Forget the critics looking over their shoulders, and look at all the rave reviews Apocalypto is getting from viewers on Yahoo!. If you want a really unique and arousing experience and don't have a blood phobia, go see this movie.

For the following links, go here;

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/121206defends.htm

Dr. Barbara MacLeod's AV Web profile

Dr. Barbara MacLeod's research used by Duke University

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

With all respect to Mel Gibson, some other respected academicians have photographed on-site South-American stone statues of people in arabian style turban hats. They were very surprised that mainstream history textbooks never mentioned that, because it sort of hints of a link between arabian culture and South America. A link never followed by the official history. Why do people accept everything so easily? A spoon-fed crowd...

"All who have meditated on the art of governing mankind have been convinced that the fate of empires depends on the education of youth. Aristotle" Demand to see the original! There was no Aristotle. Not until "Renaissance". Nor the Old Testament. Might of minds able of inventing "ancient democracies" and implanting them far back into human history as the argument against authoritarian nature is as awesome as an aircraft carrier to a five-year-old boy. The 500 year move from Khazaria to Mediterranean. The biggest lie on Earth ever. To be continued. Unless success spoils a bit too early? See in a society near you.

_ru  posted on  2006-12-13   13:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

respected academicians have photographed on-site South-American stone statues of people in arabian style turban hats.

Oh, absolutely! But not everything can be covered in one movie, and not everyone is aware of everything, including Mr. Gibson.

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The ten tribes migrated out of Palestine in several waves, some were voluntary and others involuntary. When Samaria fell, the Bible and Assyrian records agree that very few people were taken into captivity. Many Israelites escaped Assyria by relocating to one of Israel’s many colonies via the large Phoenician/Israelite navy. Secular history also records the main body of Israelites fled voluntarily to a new location, supplanting an old kingdom with a new Israelite one. The Bible implicitly confirms the above by declaring the Assyrians found the land and cities of Israel abandoned at the time of their final invasion. This chapter reveals where the Israelites migrated and when they did so.

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It has long been known that Carthage was founded by the "Phoenicians." We know it as Carthage because of the Greco-Roman term for it. Its original name was Hebrew. Many historians have commented on the Hebrew nature of Carthage’s "Punic" language and customs. Carthage began as an Israelite colony, and received numerous Israelite refugees when Israel fell. The Greeks wrote that Carthage had a secret colony west of the Atlantic to which they sent large expeditions of colonists, and many Carthaginian inscriptions and artifacts have been found in North America. This chapter examines connections between the Carthaginians and the civilizations of ancient America (including the pyramids and human sacrifices of the Mayans). Carthage was very rich and almost destroyed Rome under Hannibal, but moral degeneracy led to its collapse.

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"Scythian" was a term describing many people who lived in ancient Asia near the Black and Caspian Seas. Many Scythian tribes, the "Sacae," were named after the biblical patriarch, Isaac. The Sacae appear in this region soon after the fall of the kingdom of Israel. The Greeks record the Black Sea Scythians were very civilized people who eschewed foreign religions and had such Hebrew customs as banning the consumption of pork. The Scythians renamed all the major rivers flowing into the Black Sea, giving them their modern names (Danube, Don, etc.) which preserve the name of the Israelite tribe of Dan. The Sacae lived directly north of Palestine (by the Black Sea) when the prophet Jeremiah was told to send a message to the ten tribes of Israel living "north" of Palestine. Few realize that Scythian tribes twice defeated large invasions by the Persian Empire and that they briefly conquered the entire Middle East from Egypt to Mesopotamia. The Greeks recorded much about the Scythians and regarded them as a major power in the ancient world, but modern history almost totally ignores them. Why?

CHAPTER 7: "AN ISRAELITE EMPIRE RISES IN ASIA"

In the 3rd and 2nd centuries B.C., the Parthians defeated the Seleucid Greek Empire founded by Alexander the Great, and established their own empire from the Euphrates River to the western borders of India. They were fellow tribesman of the Scythian Sacae, and several Parthian cities had Hebrew names. One Parthian city, Asaak, was named after Isaac. The name "Parthia" comes from Greek historians, who gave the name "Pretanic" to the Brittanic Isles. When Parthia’s "P" is also changed to a "B," Parthia’s consonants become "B-R-TH," the Hebrew word for "covenant." This chapter lists much evidence that the Parthians were Asian descendants of the ten tribes of Israel.

CHAPTER 8: "PARTHIA — THE FORGOTTEN ANCIENT SUPERPOWER"

Greek and Roman historians regarded Parthia as an equal rival to the Roman Empire, an opinion shared by the famous British historian George Rawlinson. Parthia regularly defeated the Roman Empire in many wars. Many kings of the Sacae Scythians and Parthians bore the name of the royal bloodline of King David, fulfilling God’s promise in Jeremiah 33:17. Even as the Israelites had a hereditary priesthood (the Levites), so did the Parthians (the Magi). The Parthian empire had mounted "knights," a feudal government system, and a bicameral "parliament" which elected their kings. In the apostolic period, many Parthians became Christians. In the 3rd century A.D. the Parthians were overthrown by the Persians and fled to the Caucasus Mountains and Black Sea region. Classical Greek and Roman writers preserved much information about the Parthians, but modern history texts almost completely ignore them. Why?

CHAPTER 9: "JESUS CHRIST — THE UNTOLD STORY"

Jesus Christ was born during a period of "detente" between Rome and Parthia in which travel and trade flourished. The "Magi" or "Wise Men" who visited Jesus were representatives of the Parthian ruling class who came offering gifts to Jesus, who was "born a king." Why were Parthians interested in Jesus’ royal bloodline? What was the "star" which led the Magi to Jesus? How large was the delegation of Parthian royalty that visited Jesus Christ? Why did Rome permit Jesus Christ unlimited freedom of travel and speech during a time of often harsh repression of other Jews? Where did Jesus go during the "missing 18 years" of his life from age 12 to age 30? This chapter provides compelling (and surprising) answers for all the above questions, and offers new perspectives on Jesus’ life in light of the geopolitical context of Roman-Parthian relations.

CHAPTER 10: "ISRAELITE MIGRATIONS FROM ASIA AFTER PARTHIA’S FALL"

Vast numbers of Parthians fled to the Caucasus Mountains and Black Sea region after Parthia fell, joining their Scythian cousins who were called "Goths" by the Romans. These armies of refugees needed new homelands, and they sought them by invading the European and Balkan provinces of their historic enemy, the Roman Empire. While some tribes were pagan, others (under Alaric and Theodoric) were more civilized and Christianized than the Romans. As large numbers of refugees poured out of Asia into Europe in search of new homelands, they fought both the Romans and each other. These tribes of Goths, Anglo-Saxons, Germans, etc. overwhelmed Rome and provided the population bases for the modern nations of Europe. These new arrivals brought many aspects of Scythian/Parthian culture with them, including Parthia’s feudal system of government. This chapter examines the role of the descendants of the ten tribes of Israel in these massive migrations.

CHAPTER 11: "THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL IN THE MODERN WORLD"

After tracing the Israelites’ migrations throughout their history, the final chapter seeks to identify each of the tribes of Israel in the modern world. Because God promises that each tribe will be present in the latter days, they must be located among the nations of the modern world if the Bible is truly the infallible Word of God. Using many clues from biblical and secular history as well as a specific prophecy in Genesis 49 about the Israelite tribes in the latter days, specific identifications are offered for all the tribes of Israel in our contemporary world.

THE "LOST" TEN TRIBES OF ISRAEL...FOUND!, by Steven M. Collins, Revised Edition 1995. CPA Books, Boring, Oregon,439 pages, paperback. Retail price: $19.95 plus shipping. Suggested donation: $16.00 from: Giving & Sharing, PO Box 100, Neck City, MO 64849

This is great!; "THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL IN THE MODERN WORLD"

And in the book, the author covers many examples of evidence found in the New World, i.e., the Americas, that show the people from Europe and the Middle East were here LONG before Columbus.

The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.

richard9151  posted on  2006-12-13   13:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you! Many of the same "inconvenient" questions which pop up every now and then.

There are also hints that Jesus Christ was crucified in the city of "Troy/Constantinople/Istanbul" but later Khazarian mindcontrol decided that Christ better be a jew and moved the location to Jerusalem.

"All who have meditated on the art of governing mankind have been convinced that the fate of empires depends on the education of youth. Aristotle" Demand to see the original! There was no Aristotle. Not until "Renaissance". Nor the Old Testament. Might of minds able of inventing "ancient democracies" and implanting them far back into human history as the argument against authoritarian nature is as awesome as an aircraft carrier to a five-year-old boy. The 500 year move from Khazaria to Mediterranean. The biggest lie on Earth ever. To be continued. Unless success spoils a bit too early? See in a society near you.

_ru  posted on  2006-12-13   14:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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