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Title: “Why did you hold up a WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? sign at my church?”
Source: We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=1103
Published: Dec 14, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-12-14 19:30:29 by Red Jones
Keywords: None
Views: 272
Comments: 12

“Why did you hold up a WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? sign at my church?”

Charles E. Carlson Dec 14, 2006

*Project Strait Gate is a practical movement led by lay-disciples in the Way of Christ, calling out to church members who already know the church is in error, but who have not yet come out.

*Its Vigils are at churches that are known to wrongly teach support of wars and falsely name Jesus as their authority.

*Strait Gate Vigils are intended to be God-honoring, instructive, scripturally honest, and non-confrontational. Volunteers are asked to dress, act and speak appropriately, observing Jesus’ Beatitudes--peace, humility and love--and adopting the apostles’ way. We confess that, because we are imperfect disciples, this is not always carried out.

*Project Strait Gate leaders are prepared to debate with pastors, using the New Testament as a guide for seeking peace.

*Jesus’ disciples understood that Rome controlled the world and Pharisees controlled the existing religious order. Most Vigil volunteers identify with the following political facts and realities:

1) Whoever controls America controls the world. (link)

2) Christian-Zionism is church-centered and has come to be a dominant grass roots political force in America.

3) There is little hope for peace until the majority of laymen abandon Christian-Zionism.

4) Christian-Zionism Leaders will not change until laymen lead them to change because powerful political Warmakers provide them with overwhelming support.

5) Christian-Zionism works against its followers and brings about the deaths of some of their own children.

6) About 20% of the followers of Christian-Zionism deserted its call to support more war in the 2006 election; the move to end this abomination is already well under way. (add link)

7) Christian-Zionism, Evangelicalism, Dispensationalism, and “Christian-Right”(ism) are different names for the same religious belief system.

A Near Panic Reaction Gripped The Church “Off” The Way:

Seven ladies and four men took up posts on the public sidewalks of the two street-exposed sides of “The Church On The Way” Sunday morning, December 3, 2006, in Van Nuys, CA. Inside the church, Pastor Jack Hayford spoke about the demonstration before his sermon.

The Church On The Way ushers then distributed a printed half-page antidote to attendees entitled “Where Do We stand?-- Concerning the commentary and critique presented by the group conducting The Vigil”. It appears to be a brief response to the advance letter Project Strait Gate sent to Pastor Hayford:

“Outside our sanctuary today, you may have noticed some individuals picketing or distributing literature opposing The Church On The Way…The distinct sense of duty we hold toward honoring the Jewish peoples and Israel are based on the instructions of God’s Word (Romans 9-11), and we hold no apology for that Biblical stance…”

The Elders’ statement goes on to say that the church believes in praying “equally” for Jews and Palestinians and Arabs.

However, the attendees’ attitudes did not reflect this even-handedness; many of those who came and went told us in plain language:

“This Church is for Israel.”

Few, if any, said anything about praying for Arabs. Furthermore, at least three of the Vigilers had attended or still attend the church, and none could recall hearing any specific prayers for the Palestinians or Arabs or Iraqi victims.

Positive results were noted by the Vigilers, who stood at their posts for fully four hours. Laura, on her first Vigil, stated:

“I had several people approach me, more curious than anything. With the exception of the guards swiping the articles out of the hands of the parishioners and stating, "You don't need to read this", I found people rather open…the highlight of the vigil for me came in the last 30 minutes. First, as I was standing alone on the corner of the block as the church let out, holding the "Who Would Jesus Bomb?" sign, two men passed me and commented, "Now that is Christlike!"…What was frustrating for me was that the parishioners kept asking me, 'What do you get out of this,' and I didn't have an answer.”

I am sure Laura will have an answer next time. Some of the people were angry; one Vigil lady reported an intentional bump by a church official on the sidewalk and some unpleasant words from several members leaving after the sermon. But many positive responses were also reported. We were especially encouraged by the extensive, friendly and honest scriptural discussions we had with several of the younger Pastors. Some took literature and exchanged addresses with Vigilers.

Even after more than 55 vigils, each new one is a learning experience. The Church On The Way used 20 or more men and several women, including at least six of its staff Pastors and a flock of Elders, to create a defense against Project Strait Gate. It was the most formidable defense we had seen, and its purpose seemed to be to protect the incoming congregation from talking to or receiving information from the Vigil team.

The Church’s anti-Vigil was well organized and probably rehearsed. Greeters on the sidewalks and parking lots escorted attendees past us. One female Vigiler said it reminded her of a demonstration for life in front of a Planned Parenthood Clinic. Escorts met the incoming attendees and warned them not to talk to the Vigilers. They used basketball style offensive tactics, including face guarding, pick and roll and trash talk. Our Vigilers are determined and resourceful, though; they have “moves” screening, and a good amount of literature got through to those coming and going.

The Church on the Way arranged a second line of defense inside its protected perimeter on private property. There they confronted the minority who had accepted our literature. No less then six of its staff pastors, plus a dozen or more ‘Elders’ who appeared to be well known to the congregation, gently lifted (and presumably destroyed) the Project Strait Gate literature given to the parishioners, usually with a few whispered words in the ear of the attendee.

One attendee, about 17 years old, accepted our three pamphlets with a few words of advice about thinking for himself. He was with a female parent and some siblings. As soon as he crossed into private property, a youngish pastor confronted him and adroitly plucked the papers from his hand, prying them loose with a few quiet words in his ear.

Your writer could not resist a speech at point blank range. My words could be clearly heard by all nearby as I scolded the pastor, accusing him of insulting the intelligence of the entire congregation and depriving this young man of the right to read and think for himself. I did not let up, but asked the young man to return from the church ground and talk to me in the neutral zone. He did not, but he listened, and finally the small group around him, embarrassed I think, huddled in prayer about Project Strait Gate. God was entreated to conjure up a mighty barrier of protection for them, the righteous, against us, the pagans. The young man faced me while the prayer was spoken, obviously confused, intimidated and stunned by the attention he had gotten. I doubt if he will ever forget what he learned this morning in Van Nuys, CA.

Group imprecations are not new to Project Strait Gate. If you can’t stand a curse of two, best not join a Vigil at Church OFF the Way. How does The Church OFF the Way explain its claim to follow Jesus, when it more closely follows world Zionism? Where Do We Stand provides Jack Hayford’s flimsy, transparent and confusing scriptural support for his false prophecy in support for Israel. It is worth discussing.

Where Do We Stand cites “Romans 9-11” as justification for placing the present state of Israel ahead of the rest of humanity. Pastor Hayford could hardly choose a better place for us to make our case than these 86 verses with a clear context that does not support the prophecy he preaches in his pulpit and tape ministry.

In general, the letter to the Roman Church contains nothing that would allow a follower of Christ to sit idly by while women and children are murdered, much less to cheer on Israel’s daily assassinations of its neighbors. On the contrary, Paul speaks of the corrupt false claimants and sorry lot that Abraham’s sons had become in the first century.

Paul, the Apostle, also clearly states in Romans 10:12 that under the new covenant of Jesus there can be no racism:

“For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;”

How could Project Strait Gate have chosen a verse that more clearly states our case? No one on the Way of Jesus can place Israeli lives ahead of Arab lives! The apostle Paul clearly tells his followers that Jews and Greeks (non-Jews) are all the same to the Lord, at least from Jesus’ time forward. The “chosen ones” are those who follow the Way of Christ. Paul himself is a converted Pharisee who tells the Jews living in Rome:

“I make much of my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them.” (Rom 11: 13-14)

This is the message of Jesus that does away with racism. Paul tells us the “chosen” are not the Israelites with Abraham’s blood, but those who follow in the Way of Christ. Why is The Church on the Way so far off the “Way”? How can it dwell in racism when Paul condemns it in the very chapters it cites as its authority?

False prophet churches usually deal in Bible snippets, rarely presented in context. Maybe, just maybe, “Where Do We Stand” made a hasty, typographical mistake in citing Roman 9-11; intending to cite only one verse, Chapter 9:11. We will ask the church what they really meant, but meantime we will assume the mistake and look at the consequences of focusing on this one verse, which exposes the racism. (Endnote 1)

Romans 9, verse 11 reads:

“for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls.”

Two verses later in the same chapter of Romans, we observe why those who attend The Church on the Way seem to hate Arabs:

Romans 9, verse 13, “Just as it is written, ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.’”

These are the kind of quotes False Prophet churches thrive on. A snippet to support unconditional devotion to the State of Israel, a lone verse or two that can be stretched to say God loves the State of Israel and hates Arabs. This is the conclusion that Hayford presents time and time again and that has become second nature to his congregations!

The Apostle Paul’s words in these three verses are about twin brothers who descended from a man called Abraham about 3000 years ago. Jacob was later known as “Israel,” and he was “chosen” by God.

Paul goes on to explain that God has a right to choose and love whom He wishes and to deny his love to whom He wishes, for no other reason than that he is God. In the story, God chose to love Jacob (later called Israel) and did not love the older son, Esau (who Hayford associates with Israel’s neighbors).

Pastor Hayford imputes murderous hatred to Muslims: Is it possible that without once mentioning hatred found in the verses they quote, The Church on the Way uses this story as justification for convincing his listeners that God loves the present-day state that dubbed itself “Israel,” when this state came into existence three thousand years after the story of the twins. The favored twin was Jacob, later called “Israel.” Jack Hayford, with sleight of hand, would lead us to believe God hates today’s Muslims and wants them driven from the land and killed by those who The Church on the Way considers to be “Chosen.”

Hayford’s love of Israel is usually based on a mere snippet taken out of context. Paul was actually using the ancient story to explain how the covenant had changed, and that those who heard him had to believe in Jesus and follow Him to be blessed. Hayford seems not to trouble himself with context. If love and hate are good emotions for God, why not for The Church on the Way? Its members’ attitudes reflect what they are taught; their words show that they have been taught to love Israel and hate Arabs.

Pastor Hayford uses those words as his excuse for supporting Israel’s assassinations, occupation of Palestine, and wars in the Middle East 3000 years later. But Paul goes on to explain that God fulfilled his promise with the coming of Christ, who loves all.

Project Strait Gate chose The Church On The Way and about 54 more like it to Vigil because it is apostate and because it renders God’s word falsely. The churches we vigil are those that normally ignore the fact that Israel is overwhelmingly secular and godless at the top of its leadership. The European Jews who invaded Arab lands came from Europe and have less connection to Jacob than this writer does to Eric the Red.

No Israeli alive can prove any lineage to Jacob, Abraham or Ishmael. Abraham’s DNA is not available. Yet lineage is what The Church on the Way relies upon. Stripped of the niceties of prayer for all, it uses supposed bloodlines that were lost three millennia ago to justify pro-Israel racism.

If The Church On The Way really wants to “love its enemies-do good for those who persecute you,” as it claims, and if its members really pray “equally” for the Palestinians and the Israelis as it claims they do, then it is in agreement with Project Strait Gate. We believe we need to treat Arabs and Jews alike, and we do not mean allocating them equal prayer time, while giving guns to one and starving the other.

Jack Hayford should allow us to make a presentation to Church on the Way. Or at least debate us on this issue on neutral ground. What can they possibly fear from the truth? Such a debate would allow The Church on the Way to make its case understandable. We suggest this question:

Is the present day political state of Israel a fulfillment of biblical prophesies?

NO! We say the state of Israel is an artificial political subdivision, once part of Syria, created by the United Nations' edict in 1947.

Links:

Letter November 30, 2006, to Pastor Jack Hayford: http://www.whtt.org/straitgate/index.php?news=2&id=224

(Endnote 1) Strait Gate selected quotes from Romans, Chapters 9 through 11.

Chapter 9:6: “…all who are descended from Israel are not Israel. (7) Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary…it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.”

9:27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved. 9:28 "For the Lord will carry out his sentence on earth with speed and finality."

But Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it.

9:32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone”.

10:3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

21 But concerning Israel he says, "All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people."

23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

11:13-14 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them.

11:15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

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#1. To: Red Jones (#0)

Wow, at first I was rooting on Project Strait Gate because it seemed they were confronting mainstream non denominational churches. Then I read further and discovered Project Strait Gate were a bunch of dhimmis. Get some, Church on The Way!

echo5sierra  posted on  2006-12-14   21:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: echo5sierra (#1)

Wow, at first I was rooting on Project Strait Gate because it seemed they were confronting mainstream non denominational churches.

Same here - but they're bogus.

Lots, and lots, of'em out there.

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-14   21:45:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Red Jones (#0) (Edited)

It's suppose to be "go into all the world and preach the gospel", not, "go into all the world and kill for your nation's leaders."

Jesus taught us that his kingdom is not of this world, but yet so many think this world is all they will ever have, and unfortunately for them, they are right.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-12-14   23:15:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: echo5sierra, lodwick, bluegrass, Red Jones (#1)

Wow, at first I was rooting on Project Strait Gate because it seemed they were confronting mainstream non denominational churches. Then I read further and discovered Project Strait Gate were a bunch of dhimmis.

what am i missing here? i always that Charles Carlson and We Hold These Truths were good guys?

christine  posted on  2006-12-14   23:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Red Jones (#0)

Who would Jesus bomb? Easy answer. Anyone who disagrees with me. Just ask the people on LP, FR or amy local snake shaker you come across. They will tell you the same thing -- perhaps in round about terms -- but it will come out.

Modern Christianity evaporates without raw, mindless hate and a codified list of mortal enemies.

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...  posted on  2006-12-15   0:35:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine, echo5sierra (#4)

I don't get the comment in #1 either.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Red Jones  posted on  2006-12-15   6:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Red Jones (#0)

. The Church On The Way used 20 or more men and several women, including at least six of its staff Pastors and a flock of Elders, to create a defense against Project Strait Gate. It was the most formidable defense we had seen, and its purpose seemed to be to protect the incoming congregation from talking to or receiving information from the Vigil team.

The Church’s anti-Vigil was well organized and probably rehearsed. Greeters on the sidewalks and parking lots escorted attendees past us. One female Vigiler said it reminded her of a demonstration for life in front of a Planned Parenthood Clinic. Escorts met the incoming attendees and warned them not to talk to the Vigilers. They used basketball style offensive tactics, including face guarding, pick and roll and trash talk. Our Vigilers are determined and resourceful, though; they have “moves” screening, and a good amount of literature got through to those coming and going.

The Church on the Way arranged a second line of defense inside its protected perimeter on private property. There they confronted the minority who had accepted our literature. No less then six of its staff pastors, plus a dozen or more ‘Elders’ who appeared to be well known to the congregation, gently lifted (and presumably destroyed) the Project Strait Gate literature given to the parishioners, usually with a few whispered words in the ear of the attendee.

One attendee, about 17 years old, accepted our three pamphlets with a few words of advice about thinking for himself. He was with a female parent and some siblings. As soon as he crossed into private property, a youngish pastor confronted him and adroitly plucked the papers from his hand, prying them loose with a few quiet words in his ear.

"....We have induced some of our children to join the Christian Body, with the explicit intimation that they should work in a still more efficient way for the disintegration of the Christian Church, by creating scandals within her. We have thus followed the advice of our Prince of the Jews, who so wisely said: 'Let some of your children become cannons, so that they may destroy the Church.'......." B'Nai B'rith Speech/THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES by Martin Luther

http://www.biblebelievers.org .au/luther.htm

"....this Recording (Transcript) is the most interesting and the most horrifying - AND FACTUAL - story of the most sensational plot in the history of the World. Everybody who loves our Country - who loves God - who would save Christianity, WHICH THE ILLUMINATI IS DEDICATED TO DESTROY - who would save our sons from dying on Korean, on Vietnam, on South African, and now on the battlefields of the Middle East, should hear this Recording. There is absolutely no doubt that anyone who DOES hear (read) this amazing story will join in the fight to save our Country and our Nation's Youth.

Myron Fagan's recording took place sometime in the 1960's. Please take the time to "VERIFY" the statements made herein. We don't expect you to take Mr. Fagan's word at face value......."

"...."Now I have one more vital message to deliver. As I told you; one of the four specific assignments Rothschild gave Jacob Schiff was to create a movement to destroy religion in the United States, with Christianity to be the chief target. For a very obvious reason; the "Anti-defamation League" wouldn't dare to attempt to do it because such an attempt could create the most terrible blood-bath in the history of the world; not only for the "ADL" and the conspirators, but for the millions of innocent Jews. Schiff turned that job over to Rockefeller for another specific reason. The destruction of Christianity could be accomplished only by those who are entrusted to preserve it. By the pastors; the men of the cloth.

"As a starter; John D. Rockefeller picked up a young, so-called, Christian minister by the name of Dr. Harry F. Ward. Reverend Ward if you please. At that time he was teaching religion at the "Union Theological Seminary." Rockefeller found a very willing "Judas" in this Reverend and thereupon in 1907; he financed him to set up the "Methodist Foundation of Social Service" and Ward's job was to teach bright young men to become, so-called, ministers of Christ and to place them as pastors of churches. While teaching them to become ministers; the Reverend Ward also taught them how to subtly and craftily preach to their congregations that the entire story of Christ was a myth; to cast doubts on the divinity of Christ; to cast doubts about the virgin Mary; in short: to cast doubts on Christianity as a whole. It was not to be a direct-attack, but much of it to be done by crafty-insinuation that was to be applied, in particular, to the youth in the Sunday schools. Remember Lenin's statement: "give me just one generation of youth and I'll transform the whole world." Then in 1908; the "Methodist foundation of Social Service," which incidentally was America's first communist front-organization, changed its name to the "Federal Council of Churches." By 1950; the "Federal Council of Churches" was becoming very suspect; so in 1950 they changed the name to the "National Council of Churches." Do I have to tell you more about how this "National Council of Churches" is deliberately destroying faith in Christianity? I don't think so; but this I will tell you. If you are a member of any congregation whose pastor and church are members of this Judas organization; you and your contributions are helping the Illuminati's plot to destroy Christianity and your faith in God and Jesus Christ, thus you are deliberately delivering your children to be indoctrinated with disbelief in God and Church and which can easily transform them into "atheists."............"

"......Because of the corruption of Christ's teachings by the so-called Christian religions, things have never changed. It was the predecessors of the Illuminati in the Sanhedrin that had Jesus the Nazarite, the revolutionary, crucified. What have you done about it? What do you intend to do about it? "

THE ILLUMINATI AND THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS

http://usa-the- republic.com/illuminati/cfr_1.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-18   4:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Red Jones (#7)

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity......

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat007.html#15

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Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Luk 10:3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

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Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

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Tts 1:10 ¶ For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

Tts 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

Tts 1:12 One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

Tts 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Tts 1:14 Not giving heed to *** Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Tts 1:15 Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Tts 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Tts/Tts001.html#14

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-18   4:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Red Jones (#0)

WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB?

http://www.preteristarchive.c om/JewishWars/

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-18   4:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7) (Edited)

"....We have induced some of our children to join the Christian Body, with the explicit intimation that they should work in a still more efficient way for the disintegration of the Christian Church, by creating scandals within her. We have thus followed the advice of our Prince of the Jews, who so wisely said: 'Let some of your children become cannons, so that they may destroy the Church.'......." B'Nai B'rith Speech/THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES by Martin Luther

Any so-called Christian church which openly supports Israel should be picketed every Sunday. Easy for those of us who are Saturday Sabbath keepers. ;0)

"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-12-18   5:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: BTP Holdings (#10)

agree....I have only THOUGHT about doing it....have to hand it to Chuch Carlson and his group. I wondered if I would get any opposition from the church...I guess this answers my question. This story reminds me of that Jewish guy in Israel, who became a Christian and is preaching the gospel over there, and who is constantly harrassed and spied on by the Mossad, who try to get the names of Jews he talks to about Christ.

Maybe a kamikaze approach would work as well...was going to define that...but am thinking since they read this site, they will just write some new law to deal with it. Exposure is what they fear the most:

"....Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized. Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World . . . And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown . . . " http://www.biblebelievers.org .au/luther.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-18   5:34:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Red Jones (#8)

here's another blurb:

"......THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE (by Arthur Koestler, Random House) Reviewed by Pastor Sheldon Emry

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15 Khazars adopt Judaism as their religion in A.D. 740.

16 Majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Refers to 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia and A. N. Poliak, Professor, Medieval Jewish History, Tel Aviv University.

17 Jews more closely related to Hun, Uigur, and Magyrs than to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

18 Khazars exacted tribute from subject peoples.

20 Identified them with the hosts of Gog and Magog.

22 German word Ketzer is our word for Khazar and means heretic or Jew.

23 Khazars were with Attila the Hun in 4th century.

37-39 Some were phallic worshipers, killed anyone thought to be extra intelligent and called it an offering to god.

46 Quotes 1,000-year-old Arab historian, "The Khazars and their King are all Jews...some are of the opinion that Gog and Magog are the Khazars."

47-50 Khazars were re-exporters of foreign goods, middlemen, inspectors of trade, goldsmiths, and silversmiths; and they exacted 10% tax on all trade.

59-63 Jews fled Rome and Greece to Khazaria to avoid forced conversion to Christianity. They adopted Islam when forced, repudiating it when safe.

72 Khazar King, in a letter, traced his people in Togarma and Japheth, the ancestors of all the Turkish tribes.

81 In A.D. 864 a monk wrote "there exists a people under the sky in regions where no Christians can be found, whose name is Gog and Magog, and who are Huns; among them is one called Gazari [Khazari?], who are circumcised and observe Judaism in its entirety."

93 Russian communists tried to hide Khazar-Jewish connection!

95-132 History of breaking up of Khazar Empire and integration of these Jews into Russia, Poland, etc.

135 Khazar kingdom known as a kingdom of "Red" Jews.

141 Khazars joined Ghengis Khan and retained their Judaism.

145 Interchangeable names --Khazar, Zhid (or Yid), and Jew

151 Majority of Jews in Middle Ages were Khazars.

152-154 Jews were mintmasters, royal treasurers, tax collectors, and money lenders. Principal source of income was foreign trade and the levying of customs dues and they practiced communal life.

159-161 They lost the name of Khazars and became known as Jews. During Dark Ages commerce largely in Jewish hands, including slave trade.

163-167 During Crusades whole families and towns of Jews committed suicide rather than accept Christianity.

167-171 Proves only a handful of Sephardim Jews were in Europe so the vast majority of Jews today are Khazar in origin.

172-174 Gives origin of Yiddish language. It is NOT Hebrew!

178 "The Jewish dark ages may be said to begin with the Renaissance." (Reviews comment: This remark by the Jew Cecil Roth, coupled with other information, is a sorrowful admission that the Jews were supreme in the Dark Ages but lost their dominion over Europe when the Light of God's Word brought about the Renaissance!)

180-199 Quotes from many sources to prove Jews NOT descended from Biblical Israelites, ending with this, ...evidence from anthropology concurs with history in refuting the popular belief in a Jewish race descended from the biblical tribe.

200-222 Refers to others who have written on the same subject.

223 Israeli's right to exist...not based on...the mythological covenant of Abraham with God; it is based on international law -- i.e., on the United Nations' decision of 1947. . .

224-226 Koestler ends his book by saying he believes many Jews have learned of their Khazar ancestry and now reject the Chosen-Race doctrine.

THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE proves beyond doubt that modern Jews are not Biblical Israelites. Every church member in America should insist that his Pastor investigate these claims. Are our Jewish politicians, publishers, movie makers, and opinion molders God's "Chosen People"? Or are they Mongol and Hun infiltrators of Christendom?

Is The Jews' "Chosen People" Masquerade Finally Over?

Shortly after World War I, Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company, assembled a staff of experts in Detroit to conduct research on the European Jews who had been entering America in large numbers since the 1880's. Ford provided the staff with several million dollars for this research, and in 1923 he published the results in a four-volume work titled "THE INTERNATIONAL JEW." It was Henry Ford's conclusion that very few of these people who called themselves "Jews" were descendants of the Bible Israelites. Ford further proved that these Jews, using all sorts of crimes while under the cloak of being the Chosen People of the Bible, were rapidly taking economic and political control of America. In the religious field, Ford claimed THE JEWS HAD SECRETLY GAINED CONTROL OF MOST PROTESTANT SEMINARIES AND CHRISTIAN BOOK- PUBLISHING HOUSES and had been able to remove almost all criticism of Jews from Christian literature. In summing up his findings, Henry Ford stated, ****** "The Jews are not the Chosen People, though practically the entire Church has succumbed to the propaganda which declares them to be so." Ford's book caused a furor for a few years but soon disappeared from colleges, universities, and public libraries and became unobtainable at any price. The Churches continued to teach "The Jews are God's Chosen People, Israel," and the (by then) Jewish- dominated news media began to refer to Jews always as Israelites. Anyone opposing the increasing Jewish control of the nations was immediately branded "anti-Semitic;" and Jewish dominated Seminaries taught new ministers to quote Genesis 12:1-3 and sternly warn their flocks that anyone speaking unfavorably of the Jews would be "cursed by God." Jewish control of American society, politics, and religions continued to increase.

In 1951 retired U.S. Military Intelligence Officer, Col. John Beaty, published a scholarly 265-page book IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA. In it Col. Beaty gave overwhelming evidence this strange Race of Eastern European "Jews" were actually Khazar and Mongol Asiatics and had no racial ancestory in Israel at all.

He then proved that by 1951 these "Jews" had a stranglehold on American politics, on Banking and Credit, on all sources of news, on the entertainment industry, on America's education system, and that they were the predominant race as judges, lawyers, doctors, and in organized crime. The Jewish news media refused to review the book, Jewish book dealers refused to handle it, Christian book stores ignored it, and only a few thousand copies were distributed. Most Americans never heard of IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA. Now, because of renewed interest, both THE INTERNATIONAL JEW (in an abridged edition) and IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA have been reprinted and are available. (See ordering information below). The latest, and perhaps the most succinct book on this subject, is ISRAEL'S 5 TRILLION DOLLAR SECRET by Col. Curtis B. Dall, former son-in-law of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and a personal acquaintance of many high officials in the U.S. Govern ment since the 1930's. Col. Dall lives and works in the Washington, D. C. area, and his book, published in 1977. Col. Dall proves again, from reliable sources, that the Jews are NOT Israelites. In fact, Col. Dall calls their masquerade as "Israel" the greatest "hoax" of the last centuries! It should be read by every non-Jew.

You now know their false identity as "Israel" protects these "Jews" from being exposed as aliens and as anti-Americans. Read the books below. Give this sheet to your Minister. Tell him to preach the truth - or resign! Most preaching today is based on the "Jew-Israel" myth, and it is false.

"Fear them not therefore; for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed: and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye on the

housetops" (Jesus, in Matthew 10:26,27). 13trindx.htm

THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE

http://www.biblebelieve rs.org.au/13trindx.htm

============================ Ezekiel 38-39; Rev. 20:7-10

Rev 20:7 ¶ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev020.html#7

Jer 23:29 [Is] not **** my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer [that] breaketh the rock in pieces?

Jer 23:30 ¶ Therefore, behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

Jer 23:31 Behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

Jer 23:32 Behold, I [am] against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

Jer 23:33 ¶ And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What [is] the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.

Jer 23:34 And [as for] the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house.

Jer 23:35 Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken?

Jer 23:36 And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.

Jer 23:37 Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the LORD answered thee? and, What hath the LORD spoken?

Jer 23:38 But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD;

Jer 23:39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, [and cast you] out of my presence:

Jer 23:40 And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Jer/Jer023.html#29

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Jer/23/29.html

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Rev/20/8.html

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Rev/20/9.html

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Isa 58:1 ¶ Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

Isa 58:2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.

Isa 58:3 Wherefore have we fasted, [say they], and thou seest not? [wherefore] have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.

Isa 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as [ye do this] day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

Isa 58:5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? [is it] to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes [under him]? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

Isa 58:6 ¶ [Is] not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

Isa 58:7 [Is it] not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.

Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I [am]. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;

Isa 58:10 And [if] thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness [be] as the noonday:

Isa 58:11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

Isa 58:12 And [they that shall be] of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

Isa 58:13 ¶ If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa058.html#1

Hsa 13:9 — O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me [is] thine help.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Hsa/13/9.html

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mar/Mar012.html#29

http://www.thunderministries.com/history/OneGod.html

BOTH sides don't want to hear the truth, which would set us all free. Kudos to Chuck Carlson et al for obeying God.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-18   9:55:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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