4um: Border Weekend

Title: Border Weekend
Source: ME
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Published: Dec 18, 2006
Author: 82Marine89
Post Date: 2006-12-18 20:31:39 by 82Marine89
Ping List: *The Border*
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I've been to the border quite a few times since my last thread, but this one is worth posting.

On Friday night, there was only one other guy there, so we decided to fire up the truck and do some sight seeing at night. We drove past some known pick-up points and lo and behold, we come across a group of twenty future democrat voters. A call to the Border Patrol ensured that they would get to celebrate Christmas with their loved ones.

From there, we went to another known crossing area and set up an observation post. The air was crisp, the sky was clear, and the temperature had a pucker factor of 8. Heard lots of noises, but the cold got the best of us and we went to the Indian casino for their buffet and to have a few beers.

Saturday morning two more showed up, our radio operator, a very sweet 72 y/o women that makes our safety in the field better due to her knowledge of coding coordinates and her ability to handle numerous teams in the field and get reports to the BP as required and another search member. Since it is the holiday season, this was our weekend crew.

We left at 0800 to cover the BP shift change and were able to send another 22 home for the holidays. The coyotes know when the BP changes shifts and that is when they make their moves. What screws up their day is civilians trying to do the job that our government won't do. As soon as we popped two groups, our radio operator notified the BP and was able to give some overtime to a few BP agents.

Around 1100, we were hiking some canyons, looking for signs of crossings, and we came across this steep mountainside with something on it. (look for a horizontal white bar at the top, middle of the ridge line)

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After viewing it through binoculars, we realized it was a monument marker. The border between the USA and Mexico.

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Being former Marines, the three of us decide to check it out. We climbed the face of that mountain in about 30 minutes to go take our photos with it.

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It was fun getting there, but once we got there, we didn't feel like going down the way we came up. Instead, we took a 45 minute stroll through Mexico and walked to the end of the ridge line and came down the easy way. The rest of our day was spent driving along the border checking out high points that could be used for observation posts.

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We came across another monument marker. Didn't hike to this one.

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We awoke this morning to 33° temperatures and rain. It rained all night long and kept waking us up about once an hour. Below is a picture of the rain/fog and a picture of the building we operate out of and sleep in.

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We spent today driving around checking out observation sites we want to use starting next year. Providing there is no amnesty.

I support amnesty and look forward to seeing it enacted into law this next year. I would also point out that having been banned by Sally from el pee merely for posting an article from a decades old paper from an organization run by Bob Avakian on May Day concerning the Minutemen, I am always willing to engage in lively discussion on the issue, but I am very set on my opinion on about this.

How can you support amnesty? Don't you believe in protecting the sovereignty of this great Nation?

They do not threaten our sovereignty. They are hapless pawns and inherently decent people whom I like and have worked side by side with on the hill.

It is the Neocons treating them, us and everyone else like game pieces on a very Machiavellian game who threaten it, and I am death on them to the extreme.

The Mexicans I am willing to support amnesty for. The Irish who are primarily the folks my family were part of heard all this danger to the U.S. crap before about them, and how they were a bunch of dirty White niggers who were ignorant and less then human.

Thus the emotionally xharged and manipulative hyperbole in regards to Mexicans means less then nothing to me.

I do support pay to play measure though, we all should have a common language, and if people stay they really need to learn and use English.

I believe in strengthening measures to aid in advancing assimilation, but if they want to stay, let them.

They do not threaten our sovereignty. They are hapless pawns and inherently decent people whom I like and have worked side by side with on the hill.

They certainly do threaten our sovereignty. They do not come here to live and act as Americans. They want the entire southwestern United States returned to Mexico because the claim it is rightfully theirs.

These people entered our country illegally and need to be deported. If they want to come here legally, then they need to do it the same way your ancestors and my grandparents did. Lawfully.

I tend to agree with you on amnesty also. The recent immigrants were invited here in a de facto basis. That is, though they came here illegally the government knew they were doing it and greased the wheels for them to do it. And since they are here they've put down roots. It would be wrong to make them leave. We have an obligation to let them stay.

Regarding whether they're a threat to our sovereignty - the Republicans are a far greater threat to our sovereignty than the 'illegal' aliens are. and the Minutemen support the republicans.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

I agree with you on assimilation and learning English too. and I'm like you in that I've been negatively impacted by their presence. But I live among them and I think we should apply the golden rule. If I were in their shoes I wouldn't want no jack-booted thug to come pick me up and throw me in jail en route to deportation.

Nope. The Azlan movement involves a small part of the immigrants. Most of them are quite as apolitical as U.S. citizens and the right counter to a drive by the Azlan movement to enervate these people and U.S. citizens to support this concept - which I myself do not - would marginalize then nicely.

Really now? Well, when the Minuteman grow balls and take on those engineering the influx despite the blood they can draw because they are more economically empowered and political savvy then their Mexican pawns, we can talk.

Otherwise I do not take cowards afraid of the power elite doing far more to cause this then those they use as pawns to play one work force against another seriously.

The Minutemen are players with their own political agenda they use this wedge issue to promote. I don't consider them honest or worthy of anything but disdain.

i'll tell you what threatens our sovereignty and that's the NAU. america? a memory. what's your feeling about that?

I can understand people's fear of change and new people. But people need to challenge and re-examine their first impulse to support the reactionary sort of groups doing volunteer boarder watch.

A cool re-examination of the issue in it's entirety free from the taint of xenophobic fears I am fully confident will bring many who are being used by the Minutemen and others around to see the issue more after the fashion you and I do.

Complete and total bullshit. These folks come here and send their money back to Mexico. They do not want to be Americans. I agree that our government has done absolutely nothing to stop it. The last time there was any real effort was in the early 1950's and even then the liberal establishment put a stop to it.

Since you feel we have an obligation to let them stay, why don't you invite a few to live with you? Why don't you donate your entire paycheck to the support of these illegal invaders? That's what you are promoting isn't it? Socialism? Why should my tax dollars support these criminals?

Can we agree to deport those illegals currently in our prison system for violation our laws for at least the 2nd time? Also, since we're allowing illegals one free "Break the Law" pass, can we extend this benefit to at all US citizens who might commit a crime sometime during their lifetime? Finally, can we agree to boot illegals off our welfare system, while no longer offering them affirmative action status?

The Minutemen have taken on the political establishment and are making headway. The problem they face is that both sides of the aisle and the MSM are fighting against them. I am also active politically and have a direct line to my congress critters chief of staff. It pays to be a squeaky wheel and have caller ID. [:{)

correction: the corporate elite globalist government. we ain't got no conservative establishment.

The recent immigrants work in the economy freely thanks to Republicans. and they don't need charity. and they also pay taxes.

If you really are a Minuteman, then that means you support Republicans. and if you support Republicans, then you support illegal aliens.

Anyone supporting the NAU is a traitor and as evil as those in high places who engineered this human wave to play worker against worker.

You must understand too, I read 'The Grapes of Wrath' by John Steinbeck. In the Dust bowl years, "Okies" were hated and feared as bad as Mexicans are now, and they were our own assimilated, English speaking people.

So I am convinced in this history repeating itself scenario looking at it from the perspective on how measures can be taken to promote return or assimilation down the road, it is our fears here that are our worst enemy, not the Mexicans.

I listen to how those in the anti-immigration movement denigrate and dehumanize Mexicans. If I saw the opposition to amnesty treating Mexicans as human beings and diologing with them with an eye to doing what is good for them too, I would be more hospitable to their views.

Talk using epithets like 'Wetbacks' and Chili Chokers, etc and treating them like vermin and enemies to their face makes them look bad, and they are missing opportunities to bring the Hispanic community to the table as players to communicate and work together to see if an easier then a round them up like inhuman cockroaches sort of take on things.

My 9 y/o daughter had her SSN stolen by an illegal alien. It took us a year to get it straightened out. They wouldn't go after his employer because they said he made an adequate attempt to verify the SSN. Bastards.

What I did find of interest is that when an illegal uses an SSN and the legal holder is also using the SSN for legal employment, the legal holder does not get credit for his 'donations' during that time period because it is considered a double deposit. Bastards.

fair enough, but what you fail to realize is that that street goes both ways. there are plenty of them (i believe a lot more than you think) who hate white americans and believe that this is their land, not ours.

I am sorry to hear of your problem with identity theft as someone who as done four days in jail when a tweaker used my driver's license, but amnesty will address and solve ID theft problems, not exacerbate them.

With regards to your response, you need to say your sorry to all the legal Americans that will have to work longer since their Social Security isn't there for them because of crimes committed by illegal aliens.

And attitudes and polarization caused by groups like the Minutemen inflame this.

I am confident that a sane, treating everyone as human beings approach will neutralize and assuage this movement.

Look at how our war has made the Iraqis more anti American. The way the Minutemen approach this issue inflames the Axlan movement much like Bush's war creates terrorism. If we are mature, compassionate if firm on the resolve to protect American Sovereignty sort of people when we go up against this Azlan movement, I am sure it will fast become a marginalized paper tiger.

Seen this overplayed set of photos. Amnesty will end that sort of environmental problem too.

Rafael Resendez-Ramirez
The Railway Killer
(an illegal Mexican alien "day laborer")

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

Here are some others from a backpack left behind by one of those nice folks you talk about:

I lived in Elpaso Texas as a teenager. The Mexicans were mean and would try to bully you. They DID NOT like us white kids. They are largely racists playing on suckers heartstrings. I do feel for them as human beings. I realize many of them want a better life. They should try to make things better in Mexico instead of coming here and screwing things up.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

It was the republicans in 1986 who fixed the law so that employers merely have to take a photo-copy of social security card or other ID documents and not make any real effort to confirm that the information is real. So Republicans made it so that employers could make token efforts and that was enough. Government could easily have required every employer to confirm with a central location that the info is real or not. and republicans stood in the way and stopped that effort.

Minutemen support the republicans, so I'm not sure if they should be deported or not. but it is a good question.

Well you look like a patriotic American concerned about his country. Keep it up.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

Actually it was the democrats that wrote the law. Reagan made the mistake of signing it.

I took an oath to protect this country. Just because I am no longer on active duty does not mean I stop. My word is my word and integrity means something to me.

I tend to agree that we "de facto" grease the wheels that permit them to live and work here. One of the guys recently deported from the Meat Packing Company raids at Cactus, Texas had worked at the plant for 18 years.

The illegal problem in this country has been ordained by the Catholic Church and our criminal politicians. It can only be stopped at the border, not by rounding up illegals after they're here. This is a ruse. The Govt. is using the Mexicans to train for deporting us, enemy combatants.

Migrants need to be screened and follow the law. Rounding them up by raiding different facilities with 300 ninja warriors toting machine guns under the direction of Homeland Security using Gestapo tactics is toxic, and a preview of our future.

Employers and landlords need to be heavily fined, and have their operations shut down when caught and convicted of hiring or housing illegals. Then the illegals will return home and tell their families and friends that the party is over and put an end to the extremely unnecessary expense of rounding them up.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

I read an account in the wall street journal. see democrats controlled house & republicans controlled senate. it was senate leaders who were republicans who would not allow the provisions that reagan wanted into the senate version of the bill to force employers to confirm that a person was legal or illegal prior to hiring. so it was republicans who stood in the way. Perhaps on the house side it was democrats, but in the senate it was republicans.

I know enough to know who's not loyal to our country. and republicans are not loyal to our country. and minutemen support republicans.

that is my point. it is unjust to just throw them all out. the guy was possibly more american than mexican. a lot of them have kids that speak english only. and the minutemen want to throw them out, but the minutemen support the politicians who invited them.

the solution is to do what reagan wanted in 1986 and that his own party wouldn't support him on. that is to 1 have an amnesty and 2 require the employers to confirm that all new hires are legal and thenpenalize the hell out of the employers who don't comply.

the republicans have this department of education where they control the schools and the schools are discouraging assimilation and english.

it'll do a lot more good to throw out the republicans than to throw out the illegal aliens. the illegal aliens pay taxes all the republicans do is squander money and start wars.

This statement is total bullshit ... Fuck Axlan and their movement. Bush invaded Iraq and deserves Iraqi hatred ... the Mexicans are invading America and they too deserve the hatred they're receiving. (More than they're receiving actually.)

This problem will not be solved until the border is secured. Then migration can be regulated properly to allow workers as needed, and restrain felons etc.

But to grant amnesty "again" is stupidity that will only cause the illegals to believe we aren't serious about our border, our families, our jobs and our country.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

If the two of you support amnesty for illegals according to your interpretation of the Golden Rule, then certainly you must support forcing Mexico to extradite criminals and offer Americans the same rights in Mexico that you support for their people here.

This is a letter I drafted for a local social worker/family guidance counselor related to the recent arrests and deportations.

Looking at recent events conducted in the State of Texas gave me pause to consider what we as a people really stand for besides temporary satisfaction at the expense of those in need of "frienship".

Origin of the Name Texas - The Caddo Indians of eastern Texas called their group of tribes the "Tejas," meaning "those who are friends".

Everytime I cross the State line I witness signage posted that portends this State extends friendship to everyone entering it. However, it seems that we have forgotten our roots and developed a silent form of unfriendliness that is operated either by State or Federal Agents acting as law enforcement.

The recent raids at Swift Meat Packing Plants, one of which is located at Cactus, Texas, were conducted by Federal Government agents working for I.C.E. under the guidance of Homeland Security, and there was nothing friendly in the manner it was handled.

This isn't the first time the Federal Government has over-reacted to a minor problem with monolithic force that truly injures the reputation of the people of Texas. A similar occurrence tarnished Texas' good name a few years ago when 115 federal troops (ATF) arrived in black ski-masks, kevlar vests, brandishing machine guns and finally wound up killing nearly 100 of our neighbors, while they claimed to be looking for one man that frequented the nearby town of Waco Texas on a regular basis and jogged on the county roads frequently. It would appear that there was a better way, a friendlier way to accomplish the task at hand than a full military assault.

Again, we Texans have witnessed the invasion of a military styled assault within our State borders conducted by the Federal Government in an obviously unfriendly over-reaction, by a monolithic attack force consisting of 300 agents, many of which were wearing black ski-masks, kevlar vests, and brandishing machine guns, meant to intimidate and frighten undocumented workers. This state of affairs is intolerable in a State that has as its State Motto ... "Friendship" !

The undocumented workers that were arrested, separated by gender and hauled off to who knows where by the federal agents were guilty of working in a packing plant, possibly possessing false I.D. that is only necessary because the federal law demands it of the employer, and some of these people are now in Juarez, Mexico while their children may be here living with friends or relatives and missing their mom's and dad's for the Christmas Holidays.

Shame on us. Shame on Texas, and shame on a Federal Government that cannot seem to implement appropriate methods of conducting their operations, which in the end sallies the name of the State and its citizens. Both incidents mentioned in this writing came off like Gestapo raids. The sanctity of life ignored, no it would be better stated as being raped, by machine gun toting thugs that had spent 2 months "planning" their surprise move against the Mexican people working at Swift today, and is likely a preview of what will become standard procedure in the future to be operated against Texans, as well as other Americans, once the practice being initiated against the undocumented workers has provided the necessary experience to the agents for quelling any dissent towards the federal government. I say it's time to let the Feds know that Texas is a friendly State and they aren't welcome here if they can't conduct themselves in a more appropriate manner and share our respect and devotion to "FRIENDSHIP".

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"