4um: Border Weekend

Title: Border Weekend
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Published: Dec 18, 2006
Author: 82Marine89
Post Date: 2006-12-18 20:31:39 by 82Marine89
Ping List: *The Border*
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I've been to the border quite a few times since my last thread, but this one is worth posting.

On Friday night, there was only one other guy there, so we decided to fire up the truck and do some sight seeing at night. We drove past some known pick-up points and lo and behold, we come across a group of twenty future democrat voters. A call to the Border Patrol ensured that they would get to celebrate Christmas with their loved ones.

From there, we went to another known crossing area and set up an observation post. The air was crisp, the sky was clear, and the temperature had a pucker factor of 8. Heard lots of noises, but the cold got the best of us and we went to the Indian casino for their buffet and to have a few beers.

Saturday morning two more showed up, our radio operator, a very sweet 72 y/o women that makes our safety in the field better due to her knowledge of coding coordinates and her ability to handle numerous teams in the field and get reports to the BP as required and another search member. Since it is the holiday season, this was our weekend crew.

We left at 0800 to cover the BP shift change and were able to send another 22 home for the holidays. The coyotes know when the BP changes shifts and that is when they make their moves. What screws up their day is civilians trying to do the job that our government won't do. As soon as we popped two groups, our radio operator notified the BP and was able to give some overtime to a few BP agents.

Around 1100, we were hiking some canyons, looking for signs of crossings, and we came across this steep mountainside with something on it. (look for a horizontal white bar at the top, middle of the ridge line)

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After viewing it through binoculars, we realized it was a monument marker. The border between the USA and Mexico.

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Being former Marines, the three of us decide to check it out. We climbed the face of that mountain in about 30 minutes to go take our photos with it.

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It was fun getting there, but once we got there, we didn't feel like going down the way we came up. Instead, we took a 45 minute stroll through Mexico and walked to the end of the ridge line and came down the easy way. The rest of our day was spent driving along the border checking out high points that could be used for observation posts.

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We came across another monument marker. Didn't hike to this one.

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We awoke this morning to 33° temperatures and rain. It rained all night long and kept waking us up about once an hour. Below is a picture of the rain/fog and a picture of the building we operate out of and sleep in.

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We spent today driving around checking out observation sites we want to use starting next year. Providing there is no amnesty.

Here are some others from a backpack left behind by one of those nice folks you talk about:

I lived in Elpaso Texas as a teenager. The Mexicans were mean and would try to bully you. They DID NOT like us white kids. They are largely racists playing on suckers heartstrings. I do feel for them as human beings. I realize many of them want a better life. They should try to make things better in Mexico instead of coming here and screwing things up.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

It was the republicans in 1986 who fixed the law so that employers merely have to take a photo-copy of social security card or other ID documents and not make any real effort to confirm that the information is real. So Republicans made it so that employers could make token efforts and that was enough. Government could easily have required every employer to confirm with a central location that the info is real or not. and republicans stood in the way and stopped that effort.

Minutemen support the republicans, so I'm not sure if they should be deported or not. but it is a good question.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Well you look like a patriotic American concerned about his country. Keep it up.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

Actually it was the democrats that wrote the law. Reagan made the mistake of signing it.

I took an oath to protect this country. Just because I am no longer on active duty does not mean I stop. My word is my word and integrity means something to me.

I tend to agree that we "de facto" grease the wheels that permit them to live and work here. One of the guys recently deported from the Meat Packing Company raids at Cactus, Texas had worked at the plant for 18 years.

The illegal problem in this country has been ordained by the Catholic Church and our criminal politicians. It can only be stopped at the border, not by rounding up illegals after they're here. This is a ruse. The Govt. is using the Mexicans to train for deporting us, enemy combatants.

Migrants need to be screened and follow the law. Rounding them up by raiding different facilities with 300 ninja warriors toting machine guns under the direction of Homeland Security using Gestapo tactics is toxic, and a preview of our future.

Employers and landlords need to be heavily fined, and have their operations shut down when caught and convicted of hiring or housing illegals. Then the illegals will return home and tell their families and friends that the party is over and put an end to the extremely unnecessary expense of rounding them up.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

I read an account in the wall street journal. see democrats controlled house & republicans controlled senate. it was senate leaders who were republicans who would not allow the provisions that reagan wanted into the senate version of the bill to force employers to confirm that a person was legal or illegal prior to hiring. so it was republicans who stood in the way. Perhaps on the house side it was democrats, but in the senate it was republicans.

I know enough to know who's not loyal to our country. and republicans are not loyal to our country. and minutemen support republicans.

that is my point. it is unjust to just throw them all out. the guy was possibly more american than mexican. a lot of them have kids that speak english only. and the minutemen want to throw them out, but the minutemen support the politicians who invited them.

the solution is to do what reagan wanted in 1986 and that his own party wouldn't support him on. that is to 1 have an amnesty and 2 require the employers to confirm that all new hires are legal and thenpenalize the hell out of the employers who don't comply.

the republicans have this department of education where they control the schools and the schools are discouraging assimilation and english.

it'll do a lot more good to throw out the republicans than to throw out the illegal aliens. the illegal aliens pay taxes all the republicans do is squander money and start wars.

This statement is total bullshit ... Fuck Axlan and their movement. Bush invaded Iraq and deserves Iraqi hatred ... the Mexicans are invading America and they too deserve the hatred they're receiving. (More than they're receiving actually.)

This problem will not be solved until the border is secured. Then migration can be regulated properly to allow workers as needed, and restrain felons etc.

But to grant amnesty "again" is stupidity that will only cause the illegals to believe we aren't serious about our border, our families, our jobs and our country.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

If the two of you support amnesty for illegals according to your interpretation of the Golden Rule, then certainly you must support forcing Mexico to extradite criminals and offer Americans the same rights in Mexico that you support for their people here.

This is a letter I drafted for a local social worker/family guidance counselor related to the recent arrests and deportations.

Looking at recent events conducted in the State of Texas gave me pause to consider what we as a people really stand for besides temporary satisfaction at the expense of those in need of "frienship".

Origin of the Name Texas - The Caddo Indians of eastern Texas called their group of tribes the "Tejas," meaning "those who are friends".

Everytime I cross the State line I witness signage posted that portends this State extends friendship to everyone entering it. However, it seems that we have forgotten our roots and developed a silent form of unfriendliness that is operated either by State or Federal Agents acting as law enforcement.

The recent raids at Swift Meat Packing Plants, one of which is located at Cactus, Texas, were conducted by Federal Government agents working for I.C.E. under the guidance of Homeland Security, and there was nothing friendly in the manner it was handled.

This isn't the first time the Federal Government has over-reacted to a minor problem with monolithic force that truly injures the reputation of the people of Texas. A similar occurrence tarnished Texas' good name a few years ago when 115 federal troops (ATF) arrived in black ski-masks, kevlar vests, brandishing machine guns and finally wound up killing nearly 100 of our neighbors, while they claimed to be looking for one man that frequented the nearby town of Waco Texas on a regular basis and jogged on the county roads frequently. It would appear that there was a better way, a friendlier way to accomplish the task at hand than a full military assault.

Again, we Texans have witnessed the invasion of a military styled assault within our State borders conducted by the Federal Government in an obviously unfriendly over-reaction, by a monolithic attack force consisting of 300 agents, many of which were wearing black ski-masks, kevlar vests, and brandishing machine guns, meant to intimidate and frighten undocumented workers. This state of affairs is intolerable in a State that has as its State Motto ... "Friendship" !

The undocumented workers that were arrested, separated by gender and hauled off to who knows where by the federal agents were guilty of working in a packing plant, possibly possessing false I.D. that is only necessary because the federal law demands it of the employer, and some of these people are now in Juarez, Mexico while their children may be here living with friends or relatives and missing their mom's and dad's for the Christmas Holidays.

Shame on us. Shame on Texas, and shame on a Federal Government that cannot seem to implement appropriate methods of conducting their operations, which in the end sallies the name of the State and its citizens. Both incidents mentioned in this writing came off like Gestapo raids. The sanctity of life ignored, no it would be better stated as being raped, by machine gun toting thugs that had spent 2 months "planning" their surprise move against the Mexican people working at Swift today, and is likely a preview of what will become standard procedure in the future to be operated against Texans, as well as other Americans, once the practice being initiated against the undocumented workers has provided the necessary experience to the agents for quelling any dissent towards the federal government. I say it's time to let the Feds know that Texas is a friendly State and they aren't welcome here if they can't conduct themselves in a more appropriate manner and share our respect and devotion to "FRIENDSHIP".

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Anyone who has worked in education will tell you that the folks in charge are the most loosey-goosey left-wing people you will ever encounter on the planet.

Education nowadays is all about "feelings" and "self-esteem" and has nothing to do with actually educating people. Take it from someone who spends a lot of time at an "Alternative" high school -- there is less education going on than you think.

To the administration, its a numbers game. Gotta keep enrollment up, gotta keep graduation rates up. Otherwise, we don't get the money.

There is no emphasis on actually teaching kids anything. Its about keeping the system rolling.

mirage. There is a Republican in the White House. The Department of Education is a part of the executive branch of government and reports to the president. In 2001 President Bush approximately doubled spending on the DOE from about 30 billion per year to 60 billion per year. He greatly empowered that organization. and whatever they do is the republicans' fault.

Throw out the Democrats and the Republicans ... they're all criminals and they all squander money and start wars.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

I have yet to encounter an individual inside any school district who proclaimed they were a registered Republican. If I can find one, it'll be one in a thousand.

The entities that run the schools are the Teachers' Unions and the Administrators. It matters not what DOE says or does. Its a numbers game. All that DOE can do is require that certain criteria be met. A certain number of hours of instruction on this, a graduation rate of that.

The Republicans can only set the criteria like any manager. It is up to the people on the line to meet the goals. So they meet the numbers and discard everything else.

...and where do I get my information from? Relatives who are teachers. I do a lot of volunteer work for them - especially now since I got my layoff package. Its bad - its really bad - the parents aren't any better either.

I saw today one kid whose parents are pulling him out for *six months* so they can go back to Mexico to hang with relatives.

Tell me - what kind of education is this kid going to get if he isn't even in the classroom?

It's your fault, not the Republicans. What have you done to stop the status quo that is our government? Don't use posting on a forum or writing letters as an example. Anyone can do that. What form of activism have you done to stop the status quo?

as I was explaining - the story I read in the WSJ in 1986 blamed Republican leaders of the Senate for not requiring the employers to check out new workers. It was known at that time (and the article said so) that the workers would get fake documents and that the employers would be off the hook by merely photographing the documents as the law required and would be allowed to make no efforts whatsoever to find the validity of the documents.

I admit the House Democrats are equal to blame. and I admit Reagan was the good guy that you and I both wish won that conflict.

but we were lied to in 1986 and anybody who looked closely knew we were lied to at the time. That includes me.

I live among mexican immigrants. when there's a little kid who was born here and grew up here it is wrong to just send them back.

and the new legislation that Bush favors will mean 100 million new immigrants in 20 years. and you and I are both losers in the politics regardless of what we say.

our whole country is a loser. republicans and democrats both have been against us for a long time. probably republicans more than democrats. but what difference does it make?

we should have a republican guillotine and a democrat guillotine to honor both parties.

The definition of "insanity" can be one where you do the same thing time and time again and expect different results.

Why should we expect things to be any different if we just repeat what was done in 1986?

The only way any form of amnesty will work is to tell people to choose a country. If they pick the US, they don't go back to wherever - and they have the bodies buried here in US cemeteries and fully assimilate. If they don't do that, we kick 'em out. Even if they were born here.

There's a difference between the immigrants of yesteryear and the immigrants of today. The Irish of yesteryear bought a burial plot in Boston as fast as they could. The Mexicans of today ship the body down south.

To me, that's the criteria. If you want to be an American *and* you are willing to give up your previous citizenship in toto - fine. If you want to play the game of taking the money, crying about "RAAAAAACISM" - and running, then we don't need you.

That may seem harsh, but that's what other countries require. I don't see why we should pay for everyone and pay for an assimilation program and pay and pay and pay to get - what - in return?

who cares about the kid whose parents are taking him to Mexico for 6 months? I know of some american kids who were in a public school where spanish was the only language spoken all day long.

You know the repubs fund the DOE at over 60 billion dollars a year. and they promised us 'school choice' in the 2000 election via George Bush. and at 60 billion a year you can give out $6,000 vouchers for 10 million kids. and that would revolutionize school industry in America in a manner that the liberal bureaucracy in the public schools couldn't stop.

The DOE is very powerful and sets a lot of regulations that guide a lot of resources & policy in the school system. that's my view at least.

About the kid who will vanish - ask yourself this. Why are you paying $10k+ per year to "educate" this kid when he won't ever graduate?

Current answer: Because each day he shows up, the district gets paid and they want the merry-go-round to continue.

Better answer: Throw the kid out because he's wasting resources. There is no need to save a seat for someone who isn't going to finish. Bring back vocational training and fire any twink who wants to say its "racist" to have that.

More Americans killed and hurt other Americans last year then immigrants did. As long as you are going to have rich people making people's lives hopeless and destitute, Americans will kill Americans and Mexicans and Mexicans will kill Mexicans and Americans.

Your graph is deceptive and tries to replace logic with inflammatory exaggeration.

The real problem is the inhumane and fascist nature of the Minutemen. I consider them criminals and exploiters of the situation. They should be investigated and those that have been doing the worst crimes should be imprisoned.

Have you ever been in the service? Have you aver done anything besides look down your nose at people and poster your nasty self as a pious, righteous Christian?

You are worthless as the day is long. You don't fool me one iota. You care about posturing, not actually doing anything selflesly for anyone else.

Actually, it makes a great deal of sense. Securing the border is a cosmetic measure, healing America's fascist soul and developing empathy and understanding between people will do far more to heal the problem then making a trumped up wedge issue out of this and dehumanizing Iraqis and Mexicans.

You're logic defies logic. The Americans had a right to be here and cause trouble, the illegals shouldn't have had the opportunity to do the same. (And those Americans violating others should be prosecuted appropriately.)

The real problem is the inhumane and fascist nature of the Minutemen. I consider them criminals and exploiters of the situation.

This is your mindset, and thankfully not the norm. One can be against this illegal invasion and still be for people, Mexican, Canadian, African or otherwise. You're the one that seems to want to make it a racial issue when it's not. [Playing the race card is so tacky]

And as far as exploiting the situation ... it's the Mexicans that are exploiting the situation by illegally invading, as illegally as Bush invaded Iraq.

Whose picture are you continually posting ? Have you no respect for others right to keep their food down ?

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Please rethink your other remarks after you come down from your drug induced stupor. Right now I'll simply have empathy for your smoke filled noggin.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

that's a bit of a dysfunctional opinion. the republicans have had real power. when the decision was made in 1986 to let tens of millions of illegal immigrants in it was Republicans in US Senate who held key positions and made key decisions facilitating that. While I was just (and am just) a common citizen, back then I read about it in WSJ as I told you and I informed as many as I could. so who is responsible?

Yeah mother fucker, come out to Eugene and I'll br glad to givve an asshole like you some of that.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Can you assure me that an American citizen, working anywhere in America for 18 years with false identification, wouldn't be arrested and prosecuted if caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? If not, why should this privilege be granted to a felon who has broken into this country illegally?

Would you also support unlimited immigration by the English into Ireland? (The English have long sought to subvert Ireland for the Queen. Would you let them just come in and take it....again?)

The same thing has happened in Tibet, long held by the communist Chinese as a mainland provence. It amazes me that liberalism and political correctness has seeped into mainland American thought to the degree that some people find it impossible to couple this Mexican assault with the NAU vanguard.

One thing I can guarantee you, noone. Right now KBR is building massive detention facilities, supposedly for illegal aliens, right? Meanwhile Bush is pushing amnesty and the border is tightening.

The thing I can guarantee you is this: If we "solve" the illegal alien situation by granting amnesty and effectively closing the border or substantially stemming the flow of aliens, those camps/detention centers/dungeons will not empty. They will find people to put in them and reasons to fill them when they run out of aliens.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

Maybe where you come from. Where I come from they don't teach sex education (abstinence only is mandated) and books of fine art are edited so that the genitalia of statues (like Michelangelo's "David" or the nipples on the statues of Justice) are blurred out. My daughter's second grade teacher told her that Hannukah was how the Jews celebrate the birth of Jesus.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.