4um: Border Weekend

Title: Border Weekend
Source: ME
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Published: Dec 18, 2006
Author: 82Marine89
Post Date: 2006-12-18 20:31:39 by 82Marine89
Ping List: *The Border*
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I've been to the border quite a few times since my last thread, but this one is worth posting.

On Friday night, there was only one other guy there, so we decided to fire up the truck and do some sight seeing at night. We drove past some known pick-up points and lo and behold, we come across a group of twenty future democrat voters. A call to the Border Patrol ensured that they would get to celebrate Christmas with their loved ones.

From there, we went to another known crossing area and set up an observation post. The air was crisp, the sky was clear, and the temperature had a pucker factor of 8. Heard lots of noises, but the cold got the best of us and we went to the Indian casino for their buffet and to have a few beers.

Saturday morning two more showed up, our radio operator, a very sweet 72 y/o women that makes our safety in the field better due to her knowledge of coding coordinates and her ability to handle numerous teams in the field and get reports to the BP as required and another search member. Since it is the holiday season, this was our weekend crew.

We left at 0800 to cover the BP shift change and were able to send another 22 home for the holidays. The coyotes know when the BP changes shifts and that is when they make their moves. What screws up their day is civilians trying to do the job that our government won't do. As soon as we popped two groups, our radio operator notified the BP and was able to give some overtime to a few BP agents.

Around 1100, we were hiking some canyons, looking for signs of crossings, and we came across this steep mountainside with something on it. (look for a horizontal white bar at the top, middle of the ridge line)

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After viewing it through binoculars, we realized it was a monument marker. The border between the USA and Mexico.

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Being former Marines, the three of us decide to check it out. We climbed the face of that mountain in about 30 minutes to go take our photos with it.

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It was fun getting there, but once we got there, we didn't feel like going down the way we came up. Instead, we took a 45 minute stroll through Mexico and walked to the end of the ridge line and came down the easy way. The rest of our day was spent driving along the border checking out high points that could be used for observation posts.

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We came across another monument marker. Didn't hike to this one.

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We awoke this morning to 33° temperatures and rain. It rained all night long and kept waking us up about once an hour. Below is a picture of the rain/fog and a picture of the building we operate out of and sleep in.

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We spent today driving around checking out observation sites we want to use starting next year. Providing there is no amnesty.

The definition of "insanity" can be one where you do the same thing time and time again and expect different results.

Why should we expect things to be any different if we just repeat what was done in 1986?

The only way any form of amnesty will work is to tell people to choose a country. If they pick the US, they don't go back to wherever - and they have the bodies buried here in US cemeteries and fully assimilate. If they don't do that, we kick 'em out. Even if they were born here.

There's a difference between the immigrants of yesteryear and the immigrants of today. The Irish of yesteryear bought a burial plot in Boston as fast as they could. The Mexicans of today ship the body down south.

To me, that's the criteria. If you want to be an American *and* you are willing to give up your previous citizenship in toto - fine. If you want to play the game of taking the money, crying about "RAAAAAACISM" - and running, then we don't need you.

That may seem harsh, but that's what other countries require. I don't see why we should pay for everyone and pay for an assimilation program and pay and pay and pay to get - what - in return?

who cares about the kid whose parents are taking him to Mexico for 6 months? I know of some american kids who were in a public school where spanish was the only language spoken all day long.

You know the repubs fund the DOE at over 60 billion dollars a year. and they promised us 'school choice' in the 2000 election via George Bush. and at 60 billion a year you can give out $6,000 vouchers for 10 million kids. and that would revolutionize school industry in America in a manner that the liberal bureaucracy in the public schools couldn't stop.

The DOE is very powerful and sets a lot of regulations that guide a lot of resources & policy in the school system. that's my view at least.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

About the kid who will vanish - ask yourself this. Why are you paying $10k+ per year to "educate" this kid when he won't ever graduate?

Current answer: Because each day he shows up, the district gets paid and they want the merry-go-round to continue.

Better answer: Throw the kid out because he's wasting resources. There is no need to save a seat for someone who isn't going to finish. Bring back vocational training and fire any twink who wants to say its "racist" to have that.

More Americans killed and hurt other Americans last year then immigrants did. As long as you are going to have rich people making people's lives hopeless and destitute, Americans will kill Americans and Mexicans and Mexicans will kill Mexicans and Americans.

Your graph is deceptive and tries to replace logic with inflammatory exaggeration.

The real problem is the inhumane and fascist nature of the Minutemen. I consider them criminals and exploiters of the situation. They should be investigated and those that have been doing the worst crimes should be imprisoned.

Have you ever been in the service? Have you aver done anything besides look down your nose at people and poster your nasty self as a pious, righteous Christian?

You are worthless as the day is long. You don't fool me one iota. You care about posturing, not actually doing anything selflesly for anyone else.

Actually, it makes a great deal of sense. Securing the border is a cosmetic measure, healing America's fascist soul and developing empathy and understanding between people will do far more to heal the problem then making a trumped up wedge issue out of this and dehumanizing Iraqis and Mexicans.

You're logic defies logic. The Americans had a right to be here and cause trouble, the illegals shouldn't have had the opportunity to do the same. (And those Americans violating others should be prosecuted appropriately.)

The real problem is the inhumane and fascist nature of the Minutemen. I consider them criminals and exploiters of the situation.

This is your mindset, and thankfully not the norm. One can be against this illegal invasion and still be for people, Mexican, Canadian, African or otherwise. You're the one that seems to want to make it a racial issue when it's not. [Playing the race card is so tacky]

And as far as exploiting the situation ... it's the Mexicans that are exploiting the situation by illegally invading, as illegally as Bush invaded Iraq.

Whose picture are you continually posting ? Have you no respect for others right to keep their food down ?

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Please rethink your other remarks after you come down from your drug induced stupor. Right now I'll simply have empathy for your smoke filled noggin.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

that's a bit of a dysfunctional opinion. the republicans have had real power. when the decision was made in 1986 to let tens of millions of illegal immigrants in it was Republicans in US Senate who held key positions and made key decisions facilitating that. While I was just (and am just) a common citizen, back then I read about it in WSJ as I told you and I informed as many as I could. so who is responsible?

Yeah mother fucker, come out to Eugene and I'll br glad to givve an asshole like you some of that.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Can you assure me that an American citizen, working anywhere in America for 18 years with false identification, wouldn't be arrested and prosecuted if caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? If not, why should this privilege be granted to a felon who has broken into this country illegally?

Would you also support unlimited immigration by the English into Ireland? (The English have long sought to subvert Ireland for the Queen. Would you let them just come in and take it....again?)

The same thing has happened in Tibet, long held by the communist Chinese as a mainland provence. It amazes me that liberalism and political correctness has seeped into mainland American thought to the degree that some people find it impossible to couple this Mexican assault with the NAU vanguard.

One thing I can guarantee you, noone. Right now KBR is building massive detention facilities, supposedly for illegal aliens, right? Meanwhile Bush is pushing amnesty and the border is tightening.

The thing I can guarantee you is this: If we "solve" the illegal alien situation by granting amnesty and effectively closing the border or substantially stemming the flow of aliens, those camps/detention centers/dungeons will not empty. They will find people to put in them and reasons to fill them when they run out of aliens.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

Maybe where you come from. Where I come from they don't teach sex education (abstinence only is mandated) and books of fine art are edited so that the genitalia of statues (like Michelangelo's "David" or the nipples on the statues of Justice) are blurred out. My daughter's second grade teacher told her that Hannukah was how the Jews celebrate the birth of Jesus.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

Not sure why you posted that to FM, pal. I can tell you that although he and I have differences on certain areas, he's here a lot, contributes a lot, and we think of him as family. If that was intended as some kind of threat, you've just reduced your credibility here to zero, and permanently.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

I thought it was funny and cute ! The video being a rather mild response to FM's ridiculous posts ... the ones you think are contributions.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Yeah mother fucker, come out to Eugene and I'll br glad to givve an asshole like you some of that.

Please forgive the language and spelling, Mike's a third grader living in the slums with his single drug addicted mom.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

I think they trained the goons for a reason that exceeds the illegal immigrant problem ... and we should be considering ourselves targets.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Increases in rape, violent crime, poverty, and disease are indeed changes brought by these particular new people. They also bring a culture of corruption and a tradition of aristocracy that treats the peasants as little more than cattle -- these new people are ones the elites can work with.

The worst difficulties from which we suffer do not come from without. They come from within. They do not come from the cottages of the wage earners. They come from a peculiar type of brainy people always found in our country who, if they add something to the culture, take much from its strength. Our difficulties come from the mood of unwarrantable self-abasement into which we have been cast by a powerful section of our own intellectuals. They come from the acceptance of defeatist doctrines by a large portion of our politicians. But what have they to offer but a vague internationalism, a squalid materialism, and the promise of impossible utopias?
Winston Churchill

If the watchmen purposely leaves the door unlocked, is the thief who slips in any less a thief?

good question, but I don't think that getting a job and living here is fundamentally criminal in the same way that stealing property is. getting a job and living are normal human activities. stealing property is not. a law was passed by lawmakers outlawing them getting a job and living, but it is not a law that passes 'common law' standards while laws against property theft do.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

I'm sorry you feel that way. I like to think this is a place where we can post ridiculous things and not worry about somebody making threats, either implied or otherwise.

Intimidation is among the first refuges of the idiot who has nothing substantive with which to respond. Respectful disagreement is a hallmark of intellectual depth.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

Well, apparently Mike responded to the video in the manner the poster intended. I suppose you favor raising the intellectual bar to the level where we're talking about "kicking each other's asses" or "whacking a guy with a stick while wearing a mask"?

I've got a great site for you. It's called "liberty post". That kind of thing is the norm there.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

The concept of a NAU cannot move forward without a steady stream of Mexicans into America. What we're witnessing is the dissolution of our nation. This invasion isn't about foggy liberalism v tight ass conservativism. It's about the union of our nation w/Mexico and Canada. Have I got off on the wrong station?

Not a good analogy. You are putting a tiny island in the U.S.'s role and England in Mexico's role in your analogy.

I see the Minutemen and the xenophobia against Mexicans as exacerbating the immigration problem. If people dialog and listen to what each other have to say and work together to find solutions to th problem both sides arrive at and can live with, that will engender a long term solution to the problem.

I don't feel the influx of people is sustainable or that the numbers out of country will stay here ultimately.

We - like the Irish and the English - should treat Mexicans as neighbors; not as some animals to lock out behind a fence and a make mu day immigration policy.

Working together both peoples can find solutions, and yes I know it will be a long and difficult process.

But it will be much more enduring a set of solutions without the dangers of backlash and conflict caused by simmering resentment and anger, or a festering desire for revenge.

Bush looked for th war in Iraq to be a quick and easy solution to the Saddam problem. We all see now it was not.

The same goes for the 'easy' solution of round ups and deportations with a strongly guarded border, we eventually would see it creates more problems then solves, and oppression and oppression of Mexicans makes us equally oppressed and imprisoned.

We should treat the Mexicans as we would want out people treated if the human migration went the other direction, because if we treat them as badly as we would not want to be treated, we lose valuable aspects of ourselves.

Mike is crabby and recovering from a bad cold. He worked ten hours doing order entry barely able to keep up with the information he had to transcribe to get fruit and other goodies to people from Harry and David, then had to do his contract work that gives him his usual income.

He also hates Stone. What in the world are we ever going to do with that bastard? ;-)

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

That is Tori Amos. That is who Con Op wants us to think he is when he uses the RedHeadedStranger handle.

Well, it isn't as if the economic situation in Mexico is some surprise to the US. We've done everything we could over several decades to ensure that Mexico was not economically competitive, and we've discouraged the kind of reforms that have made our economy spin like a top. Could the US tolerate a wealthy, prosperous and strategically powerful rival on our southern border? Would we?

We've never had to, for good reason. In terms of the illegals, an illegal alien can make enough money in a summer of unskilled labor to buy a small house. Coming to the US is like going to a Gold Rush.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

You're also south of the Mason/Dixon. We here on the left coast and also people in the Northeast or Upper Midwest get the loosey-goosey types!

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

Yeah that is a comical post. I watched it and immediately wrote my first thing that came to mind. It gave me an adrenalin surge, and understanding what he was trying to imply made me return the sentiment.

Another thing quite comical is anyone coming up to me and starting violence. I can be gruesomely brutal and overwhelmingly violent in response.

That certainly is not the best attributes of my personality, but so it goes. None of us is perfect. Glad you were amused.

Well, all things considered, I think I'd prefer the loosey gooseys to the watered-down, censored, and downright false information I have to reprogram out of my kids in their current school, which is actually rated the best in this district.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.