4um: Border Weekend

Title: Border Weekend
Source: ME
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Published: Dec 18, 2006
Author: 82Marine89
Post Date: 2006-12-18 20:31:39 by 82Marine89
Ping List: *The Border*
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I've been to the border quite a few times since my last thread, but this one is worth posting.

On Friday night, there was only one other guy there, so we decided to fire up the truck and do some sight seeing at night. We drove past some known pick-up points and lo and behold, we come across a group of twenty future democrat voters. A call to the Border Patrol ensured that they would get to celebrate Christmas with their loved ones.

From there, we went to another known crossing area and set up an observation post. The air was crisp, the sky was clear, and the temperature had a pucker factor of 8. Heard lots of noises, but the cold got the best of us and we went to the Indian casino for their buffet and to have a few beers.

Saturday morning two more showed up, our radio operator, a very sweet 72 y/o women that makes our safety in the field better due to her knowledge of coding coordinates and her ability to handle numerous teams in the field and get reports to the BP as required and another search member. Since it is the holiday season, this was our weekend crew.

We left at 0800 to cover the BP shift change and were able to send another 22 home for the holidays. The coyotes know when the BP changes shifts and that is when they make their moves. What screws up their day is civilians trying to do the job that our government won't do. As soon as we popped two groups, our radio operator notified the BP and was able to give some overtime to a few BP agents.

Around 1100, we were hiking some canyons, looking for signs of crossings, and we came across this steep mountainside with something on it. (look for a horizontal white bar at the top, middle of the ridge line)

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After viewing it through binoculars, we realized it was a monument marker. The border between the USA and Mexico.

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Being former Marines, the three of us decide to check it out. We climbed the face of that mountain in about 30 minutes to go take our photos with it.

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It was fun getting there, but once we got there, we didn't feel like going down the way we came up. Instead, we took a 45 minute stroll through Mexico and walked to the end of the ridge line and came down the easy way. The rest of our day was spent driving along the border checking out high points that could be used for observation posts.

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We came across another monument marker. Didn't hike to this one.

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We awoke this morning to 33° temperatures and rain. It rained all night long and kept waking us up about once an hour. Below is a picture of the rain/fog and a picture of the building we operate out of and sleep in.

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We spent today driving around checking out observation sites we want to use starting next year. Providing there is no amnesty.

Not sure why you posted that to FM, pal. I can tell you that although he and I have differences on certain areas, he's here a lot, contributes a lot, and we think of him as family. If that was intended as some kind of threat, you've just reduced your credibility here to zero, and permanently.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

I thought it was funny and cute ! The video being a rather mild response to FM's ridiculous posts ... the ones you think are contributions.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Yeah mother fucker, come out to Eugene and I'll br glad to givve an asshole like you some of that.

Please forgive the language and spelling, Mike's a third grader living in the slums with his single drug addicted mom.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

I think they trained the goons for a reason that exceeds the illegal immigrant problem ... and we should be considering ourselves targets.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Increases in rape, violent crime, poverty, and disease are indeed changes brought by these particular new people. They also bring a culture of corruption and a tradition of aristocracy that treats the peasants as little more than cattle -- these new people are ones the elites can work with.

The worst difficulties from which we suffer do not come from without. They come from within. They do not come from the cottages of the wage earners. They come from a peculiar type of brainy people always found in our country who, if they add something to the culture, take much from its strength. Our difficulties come from the mood of unwarrantable self-abasement into which we have been cast by a powerful section of our own intellectuals. They come from the acceptance of defeatist doctrines by a large portion of our politicians. But what have they to offer but a vague internationalism, a squalid materialism, and the promise of impossible utopias?
Winston Churchill

If the watchmen purposely leaves the door unlocked, is the thief who slips in any less a thief?

good question, but I don't think that getting a job and living here is fundamentally criminal in the same way that stealing property is. getting a job and living are normal human activities. stealing property is not. a law was passed by lawmakers outlawing them getting a job and living, but it is not a law that passes 'common law' standards while laws against property theft do.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

I'm sorry you feel that way. I like to think this is a place where we can post ridiculous things and not worry about somebody making threats, either implied or otherwise.

Intimidation is among the first refuges of the idiot who has nothing substantive with which to respond. Respectful disagreement is a hallmark of intellectual depth.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

Well, apparently Mike responded to the video in the manner the poster intended. I suppose you favor raising the intellectual bar to the level where we're talking about "kicking each other's asses" or "whacking a guy with a stick while wearing a mask"?

I've got a great site for you. It's called "liberty post". That kind of thing is the norm there.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

The concept of a NAU cannot move forward without a steady stream of Mexicans into America. What we're witnessing is the dissolution of our nation. This invasion isn't about foggy liberalism v tight ass conservativism. It's about the union of our nation w/Mexico and Canada. Have I got off on the wrong station?

Not a good analogy. You are putting a tiny island in the U.S.'s role and England in Mexico's role in your analogy.

I see the Minutemen and the xenophobia against Mexicans as exacerbating the immigration problem. If people dialog and listen to what each other have to say and work together to find solutions to th problem both sides arrive at and can live with, that will engender a long term solution to the problem.

I don't feel the influx of people is sustainable or that the numbers out of country will stay here ultimately.

We - like the Irish and the English - should treat Mexicans as neighbors; not as some animals to lock out behind a fence and a make mu day immigration policy.

Working together both peoples can find solutions, and yes I know it will be a long and difficult process.

But it will be much more enduring a set of solutions without the dangers of backlash and conflict caused by simmering resentment and anger, or a festering desire for revenge.

Bush looked for th war in Iraq to be a quick and easy solution to the Saddam problem. We all see now it was not.

The same goes for the 'easy' solution of round ups and deportations with a strongly guarded border, we eventually would see it creates more problems then solves, and oppression and oppression of Mexicans makes us equally oppressed and imprisoned.

We should treat the Mexicans as we would want out people treated if the human migration went the other direction, because if we treat them as badly as we would not want to be treated, we lose valuable aspects of ourselves.

Mike is crabby and recovering from a bad cold. He worked ten hours doing order entry barely able to keep up with the information he had to transcribe to get fruit and other goodies to people from Harry and David, then had to do his contract work that gives him his usual income.

He also hates Stone. What in the world are we ever going to do with that bastard? ;-)

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

That is Tori Amos. That is who Con Op wants us to think he is when he uses the RedHeadedStranger handle.

Well, it isn't as if the economic situation in Mexico is some surprise to the US. We've done everything we could over several decades to ensure that Mexico was not economically competitive, and we've discouraged the kind of reforms that have made our economy spin like a top. Could the US tolerate a wealthy, prosperous and strategically powerful rival on our southern border? Would we?

We've never had to, for good reason. In terms of the illegals, an illegal alien can make enough money in a summer of unskilled labor to buy a small house. Coming to the US is like going to a Gold Rush.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

You're also south of the Mason/Dixon. We here on the left coast and also people in the Northeast or Upper Midwest get the loosey-goosey types!

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

Yeah that is a comical post. I watched it and immediately wrote my first thing that came to mind. It gave me an adrenalin surge, and understanding what he was trying to imply made me return the sentiment.

Another thing quite comical is anyone coming up to me and starting violence. I can be gruesomely brutal and overwhelmingly violent in response.

That certainly is not the best attributes of my personality, but so it goes. None of us is perfect. Glad you were amused.

Well, all things considered, I think I'd prefer the loosey gooseys to the watered-down, censored, and downright false information I have to reprogram out of my kids in their current school, which is actually rated the best in this district.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

You're not alone in combating watered-down, censored, and downright false information. Relatives who are teachers here do that constantly and when I go to help out, I'm always sending kids to dictionaries and encyclopedias -- and newspapers.

The teachers here in the Northwest are such Bush haters that they use English classes to pontificate on the subject.

Its not teaching here. Its a political indoctrination, particularly with one who seems to want to "empower" everyone by telling them they can crap on someone else to feel better.

My Mom died of cancer recently. She was the youngest woman to ever get a pilot's license in 1953 in New England. She has a master degree in education and used to work at Yale medical School. With all due respect, I can laugh at myself and don't mind the sport you make here concerning me, but leave my mother out of it.

Well, that's nothing new. When I was in 7th grade in Middleton, RI, my science teacher was a leftover hippy (it was 1979). She once pontificated for fifteen minutes on the Vietnam war, then asked of the boys in the class, "Who would go to the military if they were drafted and who would be smart and go to Canada?"

I was the only one who raised my hand that I'd go to the military (being a good little son of a USAF major and living on base). It was immediately demanded that I explain myself, then the bitch wound up giving me a D in the class (I wound up becoming a National Merit Scholar, so I guess the joke was ultimately on her).

In my kids' school the prevailing mode is GOP think, and the teachers regularly talk about how wonderful George Bush is and talk about how terrible "liberals" are. If my kids are as contrary as I was, I may wind up with a couple of communists on my hands.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

I'm shooting for "wild-eyed independents" when the time is right. Or, at the very least, kids that can form a coherent argument and back it up with logic and fact.

You and I have similar backgrounds, though, I turned down the USNA appointment :-)

I guess I should feel terrible ... but you should learn to spell and quit motherfucking others when you espouse such empathy for everyone.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

A very powerful woman and deeply talented musician whose music is a lens that focuses what she plays and sings about to incredibly powerful and poetic clarity. She is also an accomplished pianist and started playing at age two and a half.

Tori Amos. If you ever see she is playing near you, go see her preform. She doesn't just entertain with her music, she feeds the heart and soul with it.

An early song where she articulates the thoughts and feeling of women abused and oppressed in their relationships:

She has allot of stuff on Youtube right now, and her new release from Rhino records is excellent. She has a strong cult following and has sold over fifteen million records. She has been hurt in her efforts for greater chart success by record companies seeking to teach her a lesson for being so successful in controlling her music and how it is mixed recorded and presented.

I rarely mis-spell. And everyone who posts enough mis-spells. So the criticism is contrived and you really have to dig to find something here.

I reacted and posted without proofreading. I broke both my lower arms, wrists and hands so badly in 1998 I had to have hip bone grafted into my arms and my wrists don't have much range of motion to them anymore.

I used to touch type very fast, but that was then, this is now. I can't touch type at all anymore. Most mis- spellings are from mis strikes because of the way I have to approach the keyboard. So I don't feel too badly about that.

Looks like were down to this ... and quit motherfucking others especially when you espouse such empathy for everyone.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

You are repeating yourself. I am Wiccan, remember? And Stone is the "never suffer a witch" diatribe master who often denigrates the Goddess.

My comment was a tongue in cheek reference to how he disrespects her. It referred to how badly he trashes all of our mother when he speaks of her as he does. I was not particularly talking about pedestrian human sex and rank and file mothers.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

Wow, that is a bit uncalled for isn't it? seeing as how his mother is dead and all.

Mike, I hope that you don't judge all Christians the same. I was raised that Jesus called us to love - not to hate and condemn, Only He has the power of life and death - for a Christian to call for such things will bring the wrath of God down on them.

I like some Christians, however my attenuation for the manipulation done to assimilate and control belief and behavior by many of them is finely tuned.

In Eugene, the only place for people to go without a home or resources is the Eugene Mission. There, the Christians demonstrate intense weakness. They require people to go to forty minute services regardless of their religious beliefs to get food. And they have bulls to prod and shake sleepers and make non participants leave and go hungry.

I hate the over domineering attitude involving things people do that harm nobody and is due to people merely being who they are. Often I find Christianity to be every bit as wrongfully intolerant as Islam, and I do not stand for that nor tolerate it.

I will not tolerate people interfering with the right for another to be a Muslim, Jewish, Christian or any other religion, but I don't abide by toxic aspects of any of these faiths.

That is so wrong. My church gathers foodstuff and clothes all year long and box/wrap them up and deliver them in the middle of the night to shut-in elderly and poor families. We don't even tag them as being from us.

Giving from the heart and not for honor or praise is what I was taught - and what my church practices.

Often I find Christianity to be every bit as wrongfully intolerant as Islam, and I do not stand for that nor tolerate it.

Sadly, you are correct in alot of ways - the new fundies are even more radical then radical islam and the new Age Christians are as weak as milk toast. It has taken me alot of years and even more churches to find the right one and one that agrees with the holy Spirit inside me.

Really when you get down to it that is the best way to do charity. I'm afraid when I see a Christian on the make heading in my direction I get a fight or flight response physically. I know there are good Christians out there, but I aggressively and in a no compromise fashion tell anyone 'witnessing' to me to at ease that modus and to move it along.

To me, the major religions are all agents of assimilation and a tool the rich use to pacify the masses. I personally do not believe Jesus existed, and even if he did and I was thrust back in time to where he was, I would be pissed and vacate the area with no desire to see or hear anything about him at all.

I find the whole thing bothersome and annoying, and all I usually do is take a Voltaire like stand that 'I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to death your right to believe in or talk about it.'

I find the Old Testament gruesomely ignorant and ridiculous, and I don't want to waste time with the bother of it.

Mike, I hesitated in responding to this post, as I respect you and your opinion. I even respect your choice in faiths, as it seems to serve you well.

But I have noticed that you become enraged when someone disses your belief system & call them all sorts of unseemly names and never say hardly anything good about any other faith besides your own. I am sure that you have reasons, but you should learn how to take the *lumps* as well as serve them up.

I am strong enough in my belief in God, Jesus, the ressurection and the life after this one not to become offended by your beliefs - perhaps you should try to be just a bit more tolerant of other's?

I won't say that there have been certain posters who have resorted to calling you some very awful things and I guess I would get mad too - but you tend to dislpay the very same intolerance towards Christains that they have displayed towards you.

I thought that the foundations of all faiths were based on love of one's fellow man? But then, I have been wrong before....