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Published: Dec 18, 2006
Author: 82Marine89
Post Date: 2006-12-18 20:31:39 by 82Marine89
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On Friday night, there was only one other guy there, so we decided to fire up the truck and do some sight seeing at night. We drove past some known pick-up points and lo and behold, we come across a group of twenty future democrat voters. A call to the Border Patrol ensured that they would get to celebrate Christmas with their loved ones.
From there, we went to another known crossing area and set up an observation post. The air was crisp, the sky was clear, and the temperature had a pucker factor of 8. Heard lots of noises, but the cold got the best of us and we went to the Indian casino for their buffet and to have a few beers.
Saturday morning two more showed up, our radio operator, a very sweet 72 y/o women that makes our safety in the field better due to her knowledge of coding coordinates and her ability to handle numerous teams in the field and get reports to the BP as required and another search member. Since it is the holiday season, this was our weekend crew.
We left at 0800 to cover the BP shift change and were able to send another 22 home for the holidays. The coyotes know when the BP changes shifts and that is when they make their moves. What screws up their day is civilians trying to do the job that our government won't do. As soon as we popped two groups, our radio operator notified the BP and was able to give some overtime to a few BP agents.
Around 1100, we were hiking some canyons, looking for signs of crossings, and we came across this steep mountainside with something on it. (look for a horizontal white bar at the top, middle of the ridge line)
After viewing it through binoculars, we realized it was a monument marker. The border between the USA and Mexico.
Being former Marines, the three of us decide to check it out. We climbed the face of that mountain in about 30 minutes to go take our photos with it.
It was fun getting there, but once we got there, we didn't feel like going down the way we came up. Instead, we took a 45 minute stroll through Mexico and walked to the end of the ridge line and came down the easy way. The rest of our day was spent driving along the border checking out high points that could be used for observation posts.
We came across another monument marker. Didn't hike to this one. 
We awoke this morning to 33° temperatures and rain. It rained all night long and kept waking us up about once an hour. Below is a picture of the rain/fog and a picture of the building we operate out of and sleep in. 
We spent today driving around checking out observation sites we want to use starting next year. Providing there is no amnesty.
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I support amnesty and look forward to seeing it enacted into law this next year. I would also point out that having been banned by Sally from el pee merely for posting an article from a decades old paper from an organization run by Bob Avakian on May Day concerning the Minutemen, I am always willing to engage in lively discussion on the issue, but I am very set on my opinion on about this.
How can you support amnesty? Don't you believe in protecting the sovereignty of this great Nation?
They do not threaten our sovereignty. They are hapless pawns and inherently decent people whom I like and have worked side by side with on the hill. It is the Neocons treating them, us and everyone else like game pieces on a very Machiavellian game who threaten it, and I am death on them to the extreme. The Mexicans I am willing to support amnesty for. The Irish who are primarily the folks my family were part of heard all this danger to the U.S. crap before about them, and how they were a bunch of dirty White niggers who were ignorant and less then human. Thus the emotionally xharged and manipulative hyperbole in regards to Mexicans means less then nothing to me.
I do support pay to play measure though, we all should have a common language, and if people stay they really need to learn and use English. I believe in strengthening measures to aid in advancing assimilation, but if they want to stay, let them.
They do not threaten our sovereignty. They are hapless pawns and inherently decent people whom I like and have worked side by side with on the hill. They certainly do threaten our sovereignty. They do not come here to live and act as Americans. They want the entire southwestern United States returned to Mexico because the claim it is rightfully theirs. The Mexicans I am willing to support amnesty for. These people entered our country illegally and need to be deported. If they want to come here legally, then they need to do it the same way your ancestors and my grandparents did. Lawfully.
I tend to agree with you on amnesty also. The recent immigrants were invited here in a de facto basis. That is, though they came here illegally the government knew they were doing it and greased the wheels for them to do it. And since they are here they've put down roots. It would be wrong to make them leave. We have an obligation to let them stay. Regarding whether they're a threat to our sovereignty - the Republicans are a far greater threat to our sovereignty than the 'illegal' aliens are. and the Minutemen support the republicans.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
I agree with you on assimilation and learning English too. and I'm like you in that I've been negatively impacted by their presence. But I live among them and I think we should apply the golden rule. If I were in their shoes I wouldn't want no jack-booted thug to come pick me up and throw me in jail en route to deportation.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
These people entered our country illegally and need to be deported. If they want to come here legally, then they need to do it the same way your ancestors and my grandparents did. Lawfully. i am in total agreement with you.
Nope. The Azlan movement involves a small part of the immigrants. Most of them are quite as apolitical as U.S. citizens and the right counter to a drive by the Azlan movement to enervate these people and U.S. citizens to support this concept - which I myself do not - would marginalize then nicely. Sorry, I am not impressed by a wedge issue bogeyman like these fringe folks. Really now? Well, when the Minuteman grow balls and take on those engineering the influx despite the blood they can draw because they are more economically empowered and political savvy then their Mexican pawns, we can talk. Otherwise I do not take cowards afraid of the power elite doing far more to cause this then those they use as pawns to play one work force against another seriously. The Minutemen are players with their own political agenda they use this wedge issue to promote. I don't consider them honest or worthy of anything but disdain.
i'll tell you what threatens our sovereignty and that's the NAU. america? a memory. what's your feeling about that?
Good post. The Golden Rule is exactly my foundation for my position. I can understand people's fear of change and new people. But people need to challenge and re-examine their first impulse to support the reactionary sort of groups doing volunteer boarder watch. A cool re-examination of the issue in it's entirety free from the taint of xenophobic fears I am fully confident will bring many who are being used by the Minutemen and others around to see the issue more after the fashion you and I do.
Complete and total bullshit. These folks come here and send their money back to Mexico. They do not want to be Americans. I agree that our government has done absolutely nothing to stop it. The last time there was any real effort was in the early 1950's and even then the liberal establishment put a stop to it. Since you feel we have an obligation to let them stay, why don't you invite a few to live with you? Why don't you donate your entire paycheck to the support of these illegal invaders? That's what you are promoting isn't it? Socialism? Why should my tax dollars support these criminals?
Can we agree to deport those illegals currently in our prison system for violation our laws for at least the 2nd time? Also, since we're allowing illegals one free "Break the Law" pass, can we extend this benefit to at all US citizens who might commit a crime sometime during their lifetime? Finally, can we agree to boot illegals off our welfare system, while no longer offering them affirmative action status?
Mike, why don't we just take in and support the whole world?
I should start by saying that I am not, nor was I ever a Minuteman. The Minutemen have taken on the political establishment and are making headway. The problem they face is that both sides of the aisle and the MSM are fighting against them. I am also active politically and have a direct line to my congress critters chief of staff. It pays to be a squeaky wheel and have caller ID. [:{)
correction: the corporate elite globalist government. we ain't got no conservative establishment.
The recent immigrants work in the economy freely thanks to Republicans. and they don't need charity. and they also pay taxes. If you really are a Minuteman, then that means you support Republicans. and if you support Republicans, then you support illegal aliens. Better to get rid of Republicans than to get rid of illegal aliens. Republicans started the war. Illegal aliens didn't.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Anyone supporting the NAU is a traitor and as evil as those in high places who engineered this human wave to play worker against worker. You must understand too, I read 'The Grapes of Wrath' by John Steinbeck. In the Dust bowl years, "Okies" were hated and feared as bad as Mexicans are now, and they were our own assimilated, English speaking people. So I am convinced in this history repeating itself scenario looking at it from the perspective on how measures can be taken to promote return or assimilation down the road, it is our fears here that are our worst enemy, not the Mexicans. I listen to how those in the anti-immigration movement denigrate and dehumanize Mexicans. If I saw the opposition to amnesty treating Mexicans as human beings and diologing with them with an eye to doing what is good for them too, I would be more hospitable to their views. Talk using epithets like 'Wetbacks' and Chili Chokers, etc and treating them like vermin and enemies to their face makes them look bad, and they are missing opportunities to bring the Hispanic community to the table as players to communicate and work together to see if an easier then a round them up like inhuman cockroaches sort of take on things.
My 9 y/o daughter had her SSN stolen by an illegal alien. It took us a year to get it straightened out. They wouldn't go after his employer because they said he made an adequate attempt to verify the SSN. Bastards. What I did find of interest is that when an illegal uses an SSN and the legal holder is also using the SSN for legal employment, the legal holder does not get credit for his 'donations' during that time period because it is considered a double deposit. Bastards.
fair enough, but what you fail to realize is that that street goes both ways. there are plenty of them (i believe a lot more than you think) who hate white americans and believe that this is their land, not ours.
I am sorry to hear of your problem with identity theft as someone who as done four days in jail when a tweaker used my driver's license, but amnesty will address and solve ID theft problems, not exacerbate them.
This is what they do to our environment; How come you don't answer JT's questions? Why the selective responses? With regards to your response, you need to say your sorry to all the legal Americans that will have to work longer since their Social Security isn't there for them because of crimes committed by illegal aliens.
And attitudes and polarization caused by groups like the Minutemen inflame this. I am confident that a sane, treating everyone as human beings approach will neutralize and assuage this movement. Look at how our war has made the Iraqis more anti American. The way the Minutemen approach this issue inflames the Axlan movement much like Bush's war creates terrorism. If we are mature, compassionate if firm on the resolve to protect American Sovereignty sort of people when we go up against this Azlan movement, I am sure it will fast become a marginalized paper tiger.
Seen this overplayed set of photos. Amnesty will end that sort of environmental problem too.
Rafael Resendez-Ramirez Juy 15, 2000 Rai lroad Killer Leads Cops to Body OXFORD, Fla. -- Convicted serial killer Angel Maturino Resendiz led authorities Saturday to the skeletal remains of a teen-age girl, a day after admitting to authorities he killed her and her traveling companion three years ago. (External link) The Rafael A Review of the INS's Actions and the Operation of Its IDENT Automated Fingerprint Identification System Discussed on the American Patrol Report radio show on August 6, 2000 January 14, 2000, 9:32 a.m. ET Suspected railroad killer drops request for change of venue HOUSTON (AP) - Angel Maturino Resendiz, suspected in the deaths of nine people while he was riding freight trains across the country, dropped a request Thursday to have his murder trial moved from Houston, saying he did not want to risk facing a jury composed of "rednecks and Germans." March 8, 2000 Accused Serial Killer Death Sought (External link.) Filed at 7:22 a.m. EST By The Associated Press HOUSTON (AP) -- Prosecutors say they will seek the death penalty against accused rail - riding serial killer Angel Maturino Resendiz, after he refused to undergo an exam with a court-appointed psychiatrist. May 18, 2000 Ma turino Resendiz found guilty of capital murder in 'railway killer' case (External link.) HOUSTON (Reuters) -- A rail-hopping Mexican drifter who confessed to being a serial killer but pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity was convicted of capital murder Thursday for the December 1998 death of a Houston physician. May 22, 2000 The admitted railroad killer who made the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List was sentenced to death Monday for killing a Houston- area doctor, one of nine murders he was accused of committing. 'Railway Killer' suspect surrenders in Texas Resendez-Ramirez, 38, turned himself in after relatives -- who had knowledge of his whereabouts -- contacted authorities who then began secret negotiations to win the suspect's surrender. 7-13-99 - 3:09 PM EST Sister brokers Texas surrender of 'Railway Killer' suspect "Mission accomplished," said Don Clark, the Houston-based FBI agent in charge of the investigation. He thanked "the American public for being so responsive to our pleas and requests for assistance in this investigation." 7-13-99 8:06 PM EDT President salutes law enforcers for capture of railroad suspect ``As a result of their determined efforts and the cooperation of Mexican authorities, the suspect is now in custody in the United States,'' the president said. 9/7/99 Resendiz asks to represent himself at trial Maturino Resendiz made the request to state District Judge Bill Harmon during an unscheduled appearance, which was hastily brought together after the judge received a pair of letters from the suspect asking permission to represent himself. 7/9/99 Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua RAILWAY FUGITIVE MAY HAVE KILLED IN MEXICO Suspected serial killer Rafael Resendez-Ramirez, who is wanted in connection with eight slayings in the United States, may be responsible for as many as 15 homicides here, authorities said today. 7-10-99 Police look into alleged sightings Assistant Police Chief Fructuoso San Miguel said Friday that in the last 48 hours, the police department had received four calls of possible Resendez sightings. 7-11-99 Two days after he was released, Ramirez allegedly slipped back across the border, and over the next two weeks allegedly killed four more people in Texas and Illinois; eventually, police would tie him to eight murders. July 13, 1999 -- Updated 11:42 a.m. EDT, 1542 GMT (8:42 AM PDT) -- Rafael Resendez-Ramirez, the rail-riding fugitive suspected of killing at least eight people, has surrendered to U.S. authorities along the Mexican border and was to be brought to Houston later in the day, sources told CNN on Tuesday. He apparently surrendered at the INS checkpoint in El Paso, Texas, and is being processed there before being flown to Houston. Details to follow later. -WVCT 8:48 AM PDT 7-6-99 187 deaths now linked to `Railway Killer' ...It raises the possibility that police could be tracking the biggest serial killer in North American history. 7-7-99 BUCHANAN BLAMES ILLEGAL ALIENS "Here's a character (Resendez-Ramirez) that's gone back and forth across the American border, illegally, for 23 years. He's believed to have murdered eight Americans. He's been held by the (U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service) and border patrol and let go because there's no coordination," Buchanan said. 7-7-99 Jewelry links Resendez-Ramirez to Houston slaying Thirteen of 93 pieces surrendered last month by Resendez-Ramirez's common-law wife have been positively identified by relatives of slain Houston schoolteacher Noemi Dominguez, Houston police Lt. Ron Walker said. 7-8-99 INS OFFERS LENIENCY IN SERIAL-KILLER PROBE The Immigration and Naturalization Service is offering leniency to illegal aliens who help authorities nab suspected serial killer Rafael Resendez-Ramirez, officials said today. 7-6-99 Man resembling fugitive seen near NM rails, two report Two people, including a National Park Service ranger, reported seeing a man resembling the so-called Railroad Killer suspect near a New Mexico rail line Monday. 7-3-99 Railway Killer & The INS INS INCOMPETENCE BLAMED ON COMPUTER "The brutality of the crimes linked to this suspect is unimaginable," Rep. Hal Rogers, R-Ky., wrote in a letter to Attorney General Janet Reno, who oversees the INS. "That the INS would allow a man suspected of such brutality to circulate back onto the streets of the United States, Mexico -- or anywhere else in the world for that matter -- is deplorable." 7-2-99 Lamar Smith Riles Reconquistas TIGHTER BORDER CONTROLS MAKES MEXICO NERVOUS ''You get nine get-out-of-jail free passes before you are deported,'' said Lamar, who said he wants the INS to increase its deportations. 7-1-99 Matt Maggio RAFAEL RESENDEZ-RAMIREZ 7-1-99 - Philly Inquirer More on Mexican Illegal Alien Serial Killer Resendez- Ramirez in custody 9 times "There's no good explanation on the part of INS or the Department of Justice unless we have an agency that doesn't work or doesn't care," said Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, chairman of the House immigration subcommittee. "How many more Ramirez' are out there?" 7-1-99 Washington INS' serial killer suspect handling to be investigated "The Clinton administration wants the FBI to check the background of every law-abiding sportsman buying a hunting rifle in the United States," [Lamar] Smith said. "Why can't it also make the INS and the FBI check the criminal records of anyone who is arrested after entering the United States illegally? 6-30-99 Mexican Illegal Immigrant Serial Killer Update Agents used dogs and helicopters to root out undocumented immigrants sneaking aboard freight trains headed north from this city, the busiest commercial crossing point on the U.S.-Mexico border. Houston, Texas 6-29-99 Harlingen, Texas Rail inspections stepped up in Jesse James-style search for killer Law officers and railroad police are stopping trains and searching boxcars in a Wild West-style manhunt for Rafael Resendez-Ramirez, the tattooed ex-convict wanted in eight slayings along the tracks. 6-29-99 - Rodeo, Durango, Mexico Killer Makes Mexican Town a Target ``It feels very ugly because he's a hometown boy,'' said Margarita Rodriguez Campo, director of the Catholic school where Reyes briefly taught English to grade-school and high-school students. 6-29-99 - Mexican Illegal Alien Serial Killer ...The worst-case scenario, of course, is that there will be another railroad murder and that the combined forces of the FBI and all the state and local cops will still be unable to nab the suspect. 6-28-99 - Houston While Mexican Killer Runs Loose, INS 'Scrutinizes Procedures' But officials are unsure of what changes are needed or can be made to prevent another missed opportunity. The Houston Chronicle today quotes INS spokesman Tomas Zuniga as saying: "At the time he was apprehended, we had no idea that he was wanted by the FBI. He was operating under another alias." 6-28-99 - Breaking News - 12:35 PM PST ILLEGAL ALIEN MEXICAN SERIAL KILLER LINKED TO TEN MORE MURDERS IN U.S. 6-27-99 Resendez-Ramirez - Courtesy of a Loose Border 6-26-99 Our Porous Border THIS ILLEGAL ALIEN WAS DEPORTED AT LEAST FOUR TIMES THIS ILLEGAL ALIEN KILLED 4 MORE AMERICANS AFTER HE WAS DEPORTED ON 6-26-99 Harlingen, Texas FBI report: Killer sexually assaulted certain victims, some post- mortem Suspected killer's uncle: Wrong name used in manhunt 6-25-99 Illegal Mexican Alien Serial Killer Update The Immigration and Naturalization Service detained Rafael Resendez- Ramirez on June 1 for being in this country illegally and deported him to Mexico. INS officials said they were unaware he was wanted for questioning in at least four killings. 6-24-99 Illegal Mexican Alien Serial Killer Update NEW PHOTOS RELEASED HOTLINE (800) 889-8161 6-23-99 Resendez-Ramirez Update SERIAL KILLER SUSPECT PROFILED ...Resendez-Ramirez has been arrested as many as 10 times from coast to coast. He has spent time in federal prison and at state prisons in Florida and New Mexico. But most of his history involves burglary and getting caught trying to illegally obtain or use American identification. 6-23-99 East Texas Illegal Alien Fugitive Serial Killer Voted in Presidential Election 6-18-99 Manhunt Continues THE SEARCH FOR RESENDEZ- RAMIREZ The search for accused serial-killer Rafael Resendez-Ramirez results in the arrest of dozens of other illegal aliens at train yards across southwest Texas. 6-17-99 Round Rock, Texas ILLEGAL MEXICAN ALIEN KILLER MAY BE IN CUSTODY A drifter from Mexico known to hop freight trains, Resendez-Ramirez has been wanted by the FBI in connection with five Texas killings and one in Lexington, Ky., since August 1997. All the victims were beaten to death near railroad tracks. Round Rock, Texas Suspected serial killer is NOT man captured in central Texas Fingerprints don't match up. 6-16-99 San Antonio, Texas SEARCH FOR RESENDEZ-RAMIREZ NETS 40 MEXICAN INVADERS "Obviously, it wasn't a party or a quinceañera or anything, so he called the border patrol," said Marcelino Alaniz, a special agent with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service's Anti-Smuggling Unit. 6-14-99 Mexican Serial Killer Update RESENDEZ-RAMIREZ' VICTIMS CAR FOUND The murderous path of a suspected railway-hopping serial killer has stopped cold at Mexico's border, where the car of one of six victims linked to the 39-year-old drifter was found abandoned in a Del Rio parking lot. 6-13-99 San Diego, California Serial killer might be headed here The FBI in San Diego is asking for the public's help in finding a suspected serial killer who is believed responsible for the beating deaths of six people in Texas, and who may be headed to California by rail. Is that pic of you marine?
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
I took those pictures in May of this year. Here are some others from a backpack left behind by one of those nice folks you talk about: Yes, it is.
I lived in Elpaso Texas as a teenager. The Mexicans were mean and would try to bully you. They DID NOT like us white kids. They are largely racists playing on suckers heartstrings. I do feel for them as human beings. I realize many of them want a better life. They should try to make things better in Mexico instead of coming here and screwing things up.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
It was the republicans in 1986 who fixed the law so that employers merely have to take a photo-copy of social security card or other ID documents and not make any real effort to confirm that the information is real. So Republicans made it so that employers could make token efforts and that was enough. Government could easily have required every employer to confirm with a central location that the info is real or not. and republicans stood in the way and stopped that effort. So I say deport the republicans and let the illegal immigrants stay. Minutemen support the republicans, so I'm not sure if they should be deported or not. but it is a good question.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Well you look like a patriotic American concerned about his country. Keep it up.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Actually it was the democrats that wrote the law. Reagan made the mistake of signing it.
I took an oath to protect this country. Just because I am no longer on active duty does not mean I stop. My word is my word and integrity means something to me.
I tend to agree that we "de facto" grease the wheels that permit them to live and work here. One of the guys recently deported from the Meat Packing Company raids at Cactus, Texas had worked at the plant for 18 years. The illegal problem in this country has been ordained by the Catholic Church and our criminal politicians. It can only be stopped at the border, not by rounding up illegals after they're here. This is a ruse. The Govt. is using the Mexicans to train for deporting us, enemy combatants. Migrants need to be screened and follow the law. Rounding them up by raiding different facilities with 300 ninja warriors toting machine guns under the direction of Homeland Security using Gestapo tactics is toxic, and a preview of our future. Employers and landlords need to be heavily fined, and have their operations shut down when caught and convicted of hiring or housing illegals. Then the illegals will return home and tell their families and friends that the party is over and put an end to the extremely unnecessary expense of rounding them up.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
I read an account in the wall street journal. see democrats controlled house & republicans controlled senate. it was senate leaders who were republicans who would not allow the provisions that reagan wanted into the senate version of the bill to force employers to confirm that a person was legal or illegal prior to hiring. so it was republicans who stood in the way. Perhaps on the house side it was democrats, but in the senate it was republicans. I know enough to know who's not loyal to our country. and republicans are not loyal to our country. and minutemen support republicans.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
that is my point. it is unjust to just throw them all out. the guy was possibly more american than mexican. a lot of them have kids that speak english only. and the minutemen want to throw them out, but the minutemen support the politicians who invited them. the solution is to do what reagan wanted in 1986 and that his own party wouldn't support him on. that is to 1 have an amnesty and 2 require the employers to confirm that all new hires are legal and thenpenalize the hell out of the employers who don't comply. and to do as Ferret said encourage english encourage assimilation. the republicans have this department of education where they control the schools and the schools are discouraging assimilation and english. it'll do a lot more good to throw out the republicans than to throw out the illegal aliens. the illegal aliens pay taxes all the republicans do is squander money and start wars.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
This statement is total bullshit ... Fuck Axlan and their movement. Bush invaded Iraq and deserves Iraqi hatred ... the Mexicans are invading America and they too deserve the hatred they're receiving. (More than they're receiving actually.) This problem will not be solved until the border is secured. Then migration can be regulated properly to allow workers as needed, and restrain felons etc. But to grant amnesty "again" is stupidity that will only cause the illegals to believe we aren't serious about our border, our families, our jobs and our country.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
If the two of you support amnesty for illegals according to your interpretation of the Golden Rule, then certainly you must support forcing Mexico to extradite criminals and offer Americans the same rights in Mexico that you support for their people here. Anything else is not reciprocation and thus is a perversion of the Golden Rule.
Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.
This is a letter I drafted for a local social worker/family guidance counselor related to the recent arrests and deportations. Looking at recent events conducted in the State of Texas gave me pause to consider what we as a people really stand for besides temporary satisfaction at the expense of those in need of "frienship". Origin of the Name Texas - The Caddo Indians of eastern Texas called their group of tribes the "Tejas," meaning "those who are friends". State Nickname - The Lone Star State State Motto - Friendship Everytime I cross the State line I witness signage posted that portends this State extends friendship to everyone entering it. However, it seems that we have forgotten our roots and developed a silent form of unfriendliness that is operated either by State or Federal Agents acting as law enforcement. The recent raids at Swift Meat Packing Plants, one of which is located at Cactus, Texas, were conducted by Federal Government agents working for I.C.E. under the guidance of Homeland Security, and there was nothing friendly in the manner it was handled. This isn't the first time the Federal Government has over-reacted to a minor problem with monolithic force that truly injures the reputation of the people of Texas. A similar occurrence tarnished Texas' good name a few years ago when 115 federal troops (ATF) arrived in black ski-masks, kevlar vests, brandishing machine guns and finally wound up killing nearly 100 of our neighbors, while they claimed to be looking for one man that frequented the nearby town of Waco Texas on a regular basis and jogged on the county roads frequently. It would appear that there was a better way, a friendlier way to accomplish the task at hand than a full military assault. Again, we Texans have witnessed the invasion of a military styled assault within our State borders conducted by the Federal Government in an obviously unfriendly over-reaction, by a monolithic attack force consisting of 300 agents, many of which were wearing black ski-masks, kevlar vests, and brandishing machine guns, meant to intimidate and frighten undocumented workers. This state of affairs is intolerable in a State that has as its State Motto ... "Friendship" ! The undocumented workers that were arrested, separated by gender and hauled off to who knows where by the federal agents were guilty of working in a packing plant, possibly possessing false I.D. that is only necessary because the federal law demands it of the employer, and some of these people are now in Juarez, Mexico while their children may be here living with friends or relatives and missing their mom's and dad's for the Christmas Holidays. Shame on us. Shame on Texas, and shame on a Federal Government that cannot seem to implement appropriate methods of conducting their operations, which in the end sallies the name of the State and its citizens. Both incidents mentioned in this writing came off like Gestapo raids. The sanctity of life ignored, no it would be better stated as being raped, by machine gun toting thugs that had spent 2 months "planning" their surprise move against the Mexican people working at Swift today, and is likely a preview of what will become standard procedure in the future to be operated against Texans, as well as other Americans, once the practice being initiated against the undocumented workers has provided the necessary experience to the agents for quelling any dissent towards the federal government. I say it's time to let the Feds know that Texas is a friendly State and they aren't welcome here if they can't conduct themselves in a more appropriate manner and share our respect and devotion to "FRIENDSHIP".
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
We gave them an amnesty and were promised that there would be no more. Why don't penalize the hell out of them now? Make the illegals self deport.
This statement is utter rubbish and bears zero resemblance to reality. Anyone who has worked in education will tell you that the folks in charge are the most loosey-goosey left-wing people you will ever encounter on the planet. Education nowadays is all about "feelings" and "self-esteem" and has nothing to do with actually educating people. Take it from someone who spends a lot of time at an "Alternative" high school -- there is less education going on than you think. To the administration, its a numbers game. Gotta keep enrollment up, gotta keep graduation rates up. Otherwise, we don't get the money. There is no emphasis on actually teaching kids anything. Its about keeping the system rolling.
Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.
mirage. There is a Republican in the White House. The Department of Education is a part of the executive branch of government and reports to the president. In 2001 President Bush approximately doubled spending on the DOE from about 30 billion per year to 60 billion per year. He greatly empowered that organization. and whatever they do is the republicans' fault. you got to hold em responsible. it's the republicans' fault.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Throw out the Democrats and the Republicans ... they're all criminals and they all squander money and start wars. C'mon Red, cut the Dems vs. Reps paradigm ... it's shit.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
I have yet to encounter an individual inside any school district who proclaimed they were a registered Republican. If I can find one, it'll be one in a thousand. The entities that run the schools are the Teachers' Unions and the Administrators. It matters not what DOE says or does. Its a numbers game. All that DOE can do is require that certain criteria be met. A certain number of hours of instruction on this, a graduation rate of that. Its a numbers game pure and simple. But its the lefties who run the schools. The Republicans can only set the criteria like any manager. It is up to the people on the line to meet the goals. So they meet the numbers and discard everything else. That is today's Public School System. ...and where do I get my information from? Relatives who are teachers. I do a lot of volunteer work for them - especially now since I got my layoff package. Its bad - its really bad - the parents aren't any better either. I saw today one kid whose parents are pulling him out for *six months* so they can go back to Mexico to hang with relatives. Tell me - what kind of education is this kid going to get if he isn't even in the classroom?
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It's your fault, not the Republicans. What have you done to stop the status quo that is our government? Don't use posting on a forum or writing letters as an example. Anyone can do that. What form of activism have you done to stop the status quo?
as I was explaining - the story I read in the WSJ in 1986 blamed Republican leaders of the Senate for not requiring the employers to check out new workers. It was known at that time (and the article said so) that the workers would get fake documents and that the employers would be off the hook by merely photographing the documents as the law required and would be allowed to make no efforts whatsoever to find the validity of the documents. I admit the House Democrats are equal to blame. and I admit Reagan was the good guy that you and I both wish won that conflict. but we were lied to in 1986 and anybody who looked closely knew we were lied to at the time. That includes me. I live among mexican immigrants. when there's a little kid who was born here and grew up here it is wrong to just send them back. and the new legislation that Bush favors will mean 100 million new immigrants in 20 years. and you and I are both losers in the politics regardless of what we say. our whole country is a loser. republicans and democrats both have been against us for a long time. probably republicans more than democrats. but what difference does it make? MInutemen support the republicans. so I don't support Minutemen.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
you're right. I need to be more fair. we should throw them both out. we should have a republican guillotine and a democrat guillotine to honor both parties.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
The definition of "insanity" can be one where you do the same thing time and time again and expect different results. Why should we expect things to be any different if we just repeat what was done in 1986? No, we can't repeat it. The only way any form of amnesty will work is to tell people to choose a country. If they pick the US, they don't go back to wherever - and they have the bodies buried here in US cemeteries and fully assimilate. If they don't do that, we kick 'em out. Even if they were born here. There's a difference between the immigrants of yesteryear and the immigrants of today. The Irish of yesteryear bought a burial plot in Boston as fast as they could. The Mexicans of today ship the body down south. To me, that's the criteria. If you want to be an American *and* you are willing to give up your previous citizenship in toto - fine. If you want to play the game of taking the money, crying about "RAAAAAACISM" - and running, then we don't need you. That may seem harsh, but that's what other countries require. I don't see why we should pay for everyone and pay for an assimilation program and pay and pay and pay to get - what - in return? Throwing money down a rathole is stupid. We should not be doing stupid things.
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I trust that your info & take are accurate & credible. who cares about the kid whose parents are taking him to Mexico for 6 months? I know of some american kids who were in a public school where spanish was the only language spoken all day long. You know the repubs fund the DOE at over 60 billion dollars a year. and they promised us 'school choice' in the 2000 election via George Bush. and at 60 billion a year you can give out $6,000 vouchers for 10 million kids. and that would revolutionize school industry in America in a manner that the liberal bureaucracy in the public schools couldn't stop. democrats - republicans - shoot em all. The DOE is very powerful and sets a lot of regulations that guide a lot of resources & policy in the school system. that's my view at least.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
There's something we can agree on. About the kid who will vanish - ask yourself this. Why are you paying $10k+ per year to "educate" this kid when he won't ever graduate? Current answer: Because each day he shows up, the district gets paid and they want the merry-go-round to continue. Better answer: Throw the kid out because he's wasting resources. There is no need to save a seat for someone who isn't going to finish. Bring back vocational training and fire any twink who wants to say its "racist" to have that.
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I agree with your letter and commend you over it.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
what is the matter? can't debate the particulars? More Americans killed and hurt other Americans last year then immigrants did. As long as you are going to have rich people making people's lives hopeless and destitute, Americans will kill Americans and Mexicans and Mexicans will kill Mexicans and Americans. Your graph is deceptive and tries to replace logic with inflammatory exaggeration. The real problem is the inhumane and fascist nature of the Minutemen. I consider them criminals and exploiters of the situation. They should be investigated and those that have been doing the worst crimes should be imprisoned.
Have you ever been in the service? Have you aver done anything besides look down your nose at people and poster your nasty self as a pious, righteous Christian? You are worthless as the day is long. You don't fool me one iota. You care about posturing, not actually doing anything selflesly for anyone else.
Actually, it makes a great deal of sense. Securing the border is a cosmetic measure, healing America's fascist soul and developing empathy and understanding between people will do far more to heal the problem then making a trumped up wedge issue out of this and dehumanizing Iraqis and Mexicans.
You're logic defies logic. The Americans had a right to be here and cause trouble, the illegals shouldn't have had the opportunity to do the same. (And those Americans violating others should be prosecuted appropriately.) The real problem is the inhumane and fascist nature of the Minutemen. I consider them criminals and exploiters of the situation. This is your mindset, and thankfully not the norm. One can be against this illegal invasion and still be for people, Mexican, Canadian, African or otherwise. You're the one that seems to want to make it a racial issue when it's not. [Playing the race card is so tacky] And as far as exploiting the situation ... it's the Mexicans that are exploiting the situation by illegally invading, as illegally as Bush invaded Iraq. Whose picture are you continually posting ? Have you no respect for others right to keep their food down ?
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
The then/than thing sure fucks with your pea brain. Please rethink your other remarks after you come down from your drug induced stupor. Right now I'll simply have empathy for your smoke filled noggin.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
that's a bit of a dysfunctional opinion. the republicans have had real power. when the decision was made in 1986 to let tens of millions of illegal immigrants in it was Republicans in US Senate who held key positions and made key decisions facilitating that. While I was just (and am just) a common citizen, back then I read about it in WSJ as I told you and I informed as many as I could. so who is responsible? I don't buy the democracy ideology. I do not believe that 'we the people' rule.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Yeah mother fucker, come out to Eugene and I'll br glad to givve an asshole like you some of that.
Your sense of empathy is underwhelming ... you brute ! hahahahahahaha !!!!!
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
Can you assure me that an American citizen, working anywhere in America for 18 years with false identification, wouldn't be arrested and prosecuted if caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? If not, why should this privilege be granted to a felon who has broken into this country illegally?
Thus the emotionally xharged and manipulative hyperbole in regards to Mexicans means less then nothing to me. Would you also support unlimited immigration by the English into Ireland? (The English have long sought to subvert Ireland for the Queen. Would you let them just come in and take it....again?)
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The same thing has happened in Tibet, long held by the communist Chinese as a mainland provence. It amazes me that liberalism and political correctness has seeped into mainland American thought to the degree that some people find it impossible to couple this Mexican assault with the NAU vanguard.
what's the meaning of posting that video to Mike?
One thing I can guarantee you, noone. Right now KBR is building massive detention facilities, supposedly for illegal aliens, right? Meanwhile Bush is pushing amnesty and the border is tightening. The thing I can guarantee you is this: If we "solve" the illegal alien situation by granting amnesty and effectively closing the border or substantially stemming the flow of aliens, those camps/detention centers/dungeons will not empty. They will find people to put in them and reasons to fill them when they run out of aliens.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Maybe where you come from. Where I come from they don't teach sex education (abstinence only is mandated) and books of fine art are edited so that the genitalia of statues (like Michelangelo's "David" or the nipples on the statues of Justice) are blurred out. My daughter's second grade teacher told her that Hannukah was how the Jews celebrate the birth of Jesus. I doubt the loosey-goosey lefties are responsible for that! LOL.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Not sure why you posted that to FM, pal. I can tell you that although he and I have differences on certain areas, he's here a lot, contributes a lot, and we think of him as family. If that was intended as some kind of threat, you've just reduced your credibility here to zero, and permanently.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
I thought it was funny and cute ! The video being a rather mild response to FM's ridiculous posts ... the ones you think are contributions.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
Oh yeah, ... how's about this from FM: Yeah mother fucker, come out to Eugene and I'll br glad to givve an asshole like you some of that. Please forgive the language and spelling, Mike's a third grader living in the slums with his single drug addicted mom.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
I think they trained the goons for a reason that exceeds the illegal immigrant problem ... and we should be considering ourselves targets.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
LOL! I'll bet. Increases in rape, violent crime, poverty, and disease are indeed changes brought by these particular new people. They also bring a culture of corruption and a tradition of aristocracy that treats the peasants as little more than cattle -- these new people are ones the elites can work with.
The worst difficulties from which we suffer do not come from without. They come from within. They do not come from the cottages of the wage earners. They come from a peculiar type of brainy people always found in our country who, if they add something to the culture, take much from its strength. Our difficulties come from the mood of unwarrantable self-abasement into which we have been cast by a powerful section of our own intellectuals. They come from the acceptance of defeatist doctrines by a large portion of our politicians. But what have they to offer but a vague internationalism, a squalid materialism, and the promise of impossible utopias? If the watchmen purposely leaves the door unlocked, is the thief who slips in any less a thief?
The worst difficulties from which we suffer do not come from without. They come from within. They do not come from the cottages of the wage earners. They come from a peculiar type of brainy people always found in our country who, if they add something to the culture, take much from its strength. Our difficulties come from the mood of unwarrantable self-abasement into which we have been cast by a powerful section of our own intellectuals. They come from the acceptance of defeatist doctrines by a large portion of our politicians. But what have they to offer but a vague internationalism, a squalid materialism, and the promise of impossible utopias? Less unjust than throwing out none.
The worst difficulties from which we suffer do not come from without. They come from within. They do not come from the cottages of the wage earners. They come from a peculiar type of brainy people always found in our country who, if they add something to the culture, take much from its strength. Our difficulties come from the mood of unwarrantable self-abasement into which we have been cast by a powerful section of our own intellectuals. They come from the acceptance of defeatist doctrines by a large portion of our politicians. But what have they to offer but a vague internationalism, a squalid materialism, and the promise of impossible utopias? good question, but I don't think that getting a job and living here is fundamentally criminal in the same way that stealing property is. getting a job and living are normal human activities. stealing property is not. a law was passed by lawmakers outlawing them getting a job and living, but it is not a law that passes 'common law' standards while laws against property theft do.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
How about ... "trespassing" ???
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
I'm sorry you feel that way. I like to think this is a place where we can post ridiculous things and not worry about somebody making threats, either implied or otherwise. Intimidation is among the first refuges of the idiot who has nothing substantive with which to respond. Respectful disagreement is a hallmark of intellectual depth.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Yeah mother fucker, come out to Eugene and I'll br glad to givve an asshole like you some of that. Well, apparently Mike responded to the video in the manner the poster intended. I suppose you favor raising the intellectual bar to the level where we're talking about "kicking each other's asses" or "whacking a guy with a stick while wearing a mask"? I've got a great site for you. It's called "liberty post". That kind of thing is the norm there.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
The concept of a NAU cannot move forward without a steady stream of Mexicans into America. What we're witnessing is the dissolution of our nation. This invasion isn't about foggy liberalism v tight ass conservativism. It's about the union of our nation w/Mexico and Canada. Have I got off on the wrong station?
Not a good analogy. You are putting a tiny island in the U.S.'s role and England in Mexico's role in your analogy. I see the Minutemen and the xenophobia against Mexicans as exacerbating the immigration problem. If people dialog and listen to what each other have to say and work together to find solutions to th problem both sides arrive at and can live with, that will engender a long term solution to the problem. I don't feel the influx of people is sustainable or that the numbers out of country will stay here ultimately. We - like the Irish and the English - should treat Mexicans as neighbors; not as some animals to lock out behind a fence and a make mu day immigration policy. Working together both peoples can find solutions, and yes I know it will be a long and difficult process. But it will be much more enduring a set of solutions without the dangers of backlash and conflict caused by simmering resentment and anger, or a festering desire for revenge. Bush looked for th war in Iraq to be a quick and easy solution to the Saddam problem. We all see now it was not. The same goes for the 'easy' solution of round ups and deportations with a strongly guarded border, we eventually would see it creates more problems then solves, and oppression and oppression of Mexicans makes us equally oppressed and imprisoned. We should treat the Mexicans as we would want out people treated if the human migration went the other direction, because if we treat them as badly as we would not want to be treated, we lose valuable aspects of ourselves.
Mike is crabby and recovering from a bad cold. He worked ten hours doing order entry barely able to keep up with the information he had to transcribe to get fruit and other goodies to people from Harry and David, then had to do his contract work that gives him his usual income. He also hates Stone. What in the world are we ever going to do with that bastard? ;-)
By the way, FM. Who is the chick in the pics?
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
That is Tori Amos. That is who Con Op wants us to think he is when he uses the RedHeadedStranger handle.
I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo
Well, it isn't as if the economic situation in Mexico is some surprise to the US. We've done everything we could over several decades to ensure that Mexico was not economically competitive, and we've discouraged the kind of reforms that have made our economy spin like a top. Could the US tolerate a wealthy, prosperous and strategically powerful rival on our southern border? Would we? We've never had to, for good reason. In terms of the illegals, an illegal alien can make enough money in a summer of unskilled labor to buy a small house. Coming to the US is like going to a Gold Rush. There ain't no keeping 'em out.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
You're also south of the Mason/Dixon. We here on the left coast and also people in the Northeast or Upper Midwest get the loosey-goosey types!
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Thanks. Shows how out of touch I am with pop culture.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Yeah that is a comical post. I watched it and immediately wrote my first thing that came to mind. It gave me an adrenalin surge, and understanding what he was trying to imply made me return the sentiment. Another thing quite comical is anyone coming up to me and starting violence. I can be gruesomely brutal and overwhelmingly violent in response. That certainly is not the best attributes of my personality, but so it goes. None of us is perfect. Glad you were amused.
Well, all things considered, I think I'd prefer the loosey gooseys to the watered-down, censored, and downright false information I have to reprogram out of my kids in their current school, which is actually rated the best in this district.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
You're not alone in combating watered-down, censored, and downright false information. Relatives who are teachers here do that constantly and when I go to help out, I'm always sending kids to dictionaries and encyclopedias -- and newspapers. The teachers here in the Northwest are such Bush haters that they use English classes to pontificate on the subject. Its not teaching here. Its a political indoctrination, particularly with one who seems to want to "empower" everyone by telling them they can crap on someone else to feel better.
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My Mom died of cancer recently. She was the youngest woman to ever get a pilot's license in 1953 in New England. She has a master degree in education and used to work at Yale medical School. With all due respect, I can laugh at myself and don't mind the sport you make here concerning me, but leave my mother out of it.
Well, that's nothing new. When I was in 7th grade in Middleton, RI, my science teacher was a leftover hippy (it was 1979). She once pontificated for fifteen minutes on the Vietnam war, then asked of the boys in the class, "Who would go to the military if they were drafted and who would be smart and go to Canada?" I was the only one who raised my hand that I'd go to the military (being a good little son of a USAF major and living on base). It was immediately demanded that I explain myself, then the bitch wound up giving me a D in the class (I wound up becoming a National Merit Scholar, so I guess the joke was ultimately on her). I was a contrary son of a bitch even then. In my kids' school the prevailing mode is GOP think, and the teachers regularly talk about how wonderful George Bush is and talk about how terrible "liberals" are. If my kids are as contrary as I was, I may wind up with a couple of communists on my hands.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Please forgive the rudeness from noone. He/she's ... well... No one.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
I'm shooting for "wild-eyed independents" when the time is right. Or, at the very least, kids that can form a coherent argument and back it up with logic and fact. You and I have similar backgrounds, though, I turned down the USNA appointment :-)
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I guess I should feel terrible ... but you should learn to spell and quit motherfucking others when you espouse such empathy for everyone.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
A very powerful woman and deeply talented musician whose music is a lens that focuses what she plays and sings about to incredibly powerful and poetic clarity. She is also an accomplished pianist and started playing at age two and a half. Tori Amos. If you ever see she is playing near you, go see her preform. She doesn't just entertain with her music, she feeds the heart and soul with it. An early song where she articulates the thoughts and feeling of women abused and oppressed in their relationships: She has allot of stuff on Youtube right now, and her new release from Rhino records is excellent. She has a strong cult following and has sold over fifteen million records. She has been hurt in her efforts for greater chart success by record companies seeking to teach her a lesson for being so successful in controlling her music and how it is mixed recorded and presented. One Tori is worth a million Britney Spears.
I rarely mis-spell. And everyone who posts enough mis-spells. So the criticism is contrived and you really have to dig to find something here. I reacted and posted without proofreading. I broke both my lower arms, wrists and hands so badly in 1998 I had to have hip bone grafted into my arms and my wrists don't have much range of motion to them anymore. I used to touch type very fast, but that was then, this is now. I can't touch type at all anymore. Most mis- spellings are from mis strikes because of the way I have to approach the keyboard. So I don't feel too badly about that.
Looks like were down to this ... and quit motherfucking others especially when you espouse such empathy for everyone.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
You are repeating yourself. I am Wiccan, remember? And Stone is the "never suffer a witch" diatribe master who often denigrates the Goddess. My comment was a tongue in cheek reference to how he disrespects her. It referred to how badly he trashes all of our mother when he speaks of her as he does. I was not particularly talking about pedestrian human sex and rank and file mothers.
Geez, how could I have forgotten something so pertinent.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
Don't fret, I forgive you.
Wow, that is a bit uncalled for isn't it? seeing as how his mother is dead and all.
Mike, I hope that you don't judge all Christians the same. I was raised that Jesus called us to love - not to hate and condemn, Only He has the power of life and death - for a Christian to call for such things will bring the wrath of God down on them.
I like some Christians, however my attenuation for the manipulation done to assimilate and control belief and behavior by many of them is finely tuned. In Eugene, the only place for people to go without a home or resources is the Eugene Mission. There, the Christians demonstrate intense weakness. They require people to go to forty minute services regardless of their religious beliefs to get food. And they have bulls to prod and shake sleepers and make non participants leave and go hungry. I am revolted by this. I hate the over domineering attitude involving things people do that harm nobody and is due to people merely being who they are. Often I find Christianity to be every bit as wrongfully intolerant as Islam, and I do not stand for that nor tolerate it. I will not tolerate people interfering with the right for another to be a Muslim, Jewish, Christian or any other religion, but I don't abide by toxic aspects of any of these faiths. Hope that gives you an idea where I am coming from here.
That is so wrong. My church gathers foodstuff and clothes all year long and box/wrap them up and deliver them in the middle of the night to shut-in elderly and poor families. We don't even tag them as being from us. Giving from the heart and not for honor or praise is what I was taught - and what my church practices. Often I find Christianity to be every bit as wrongfully intolerant as Islam, and I do not stand for that nor tolerate it. Sadly, you are correct in alot of ways - the new fundies are even more radical then radical islam and the new Age Christians are as weak as milk toast. It has taken me alot of years and even more churches to find the right one and one that agrees with the holy Spirit inside me.
Really when you get down to it that is the best way to do charity. I'm afraid when I see a Christian on the make heading in my direction I get a fight or flight response physically. I know there are good Christians out there, but I aggressively and in a no compromise fashion tell anyone 'witnessing' to me to at ease that modus and to move it along. To me, the major religions are all agents of assimilation and a tool the rich use to pacify the masses. I personally do not believe Jesus existed, and even if he did and I was thrust back in time to where he was, I would be pissed and vacate the area with no desire to see or hear anything about him at all. I find the whole thing bothersome and annoying, and all I usually do is take a Voltaire like stand that 'I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to death your right to believe in or talk about it.' I find the Old Testament gruesomely ignorant and ridiculous, and I don't want to waste time with the bother of it.
To me, the major religions are all agents of assimilation and a tool the rich use to pacify the masses. I personally do not believe Jesus existed, and even if he did and I was thrust back in time to where he was, I would be pissed and vacate the area with no desire to see or hear anything about him at all. I find the Old Testament gruesomely ignorant and ridiculous, and I don't want to waste time with the bother of it. Mike, I hesitated in responding to this post, as I respect you and your opinion. I even respect your choice in faiths, as it seems to serve you well. But I have noticed that you become enraged when someone disses your belief system & call them all sorts of unseemly names and never say hardly anything good about any other faith besides your own. I am sure that you have reasons, but you should learn how to take the *lumps* as well as serve them up. I am strong enough in my belief in God, Jesus, the ressurection and the life after this one not to become offended by your beliefs - perhaps you should try to be just a bit more tolerant of other's? I won't say that there have been certain posters who have resorted to calling you some very awful things and I guess I would get mad too - but you tend to dislpay the very same intolerance towards Christains that they have displayed towards you. I thought that the foundations of all faiths were based on love of one's fellow man? But then, I have been wrong before....
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"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
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"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
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They certainly do threaten our sovereignty. They do not come here to live and act as Americans. They want the entire southwestern United States returned to Mexico because the claim it is rightfully theirs.
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"They certainly do threaten our sovereignty. They do not come here to live and act as Americans. They want the entire southwestern United States returned to Mexico because the claim it is rightfully theirs."
"These people entered our country illegally and need to be deported. If they want to come here legally, then they need to do it the same way your ancestors and my grandparents did. Lawfully."
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I tend to agree with you on amnesty also. The recent immigrants were invited here in a de facto basis. That is, though they came here illegally the government knew they were doing it and greased the wheels for them to do it. And since they are here they've put down roots. It would be wrong to make them leave. We have an obligation to let them stay.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
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And since they are here they've put down roots. It would be wrong to make them leave. We have an obligation to let them stay.
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"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
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liberal establishment put a stop to it.
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why don't you invite a few to live with you?
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The recent immigrants work in the economy freely thanks to Republicans. and they don't need charity. and they also pay taxes.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
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Most interesting - thanks for the pics.
a village is missing its idiot.
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Talk using epithets like 'Wetbacks' and Chili Chokers, etc and treating them like vermin and enemies to their face makes them look bad, and they are missing opportunities to bring the Hispanic community to the table as players to communicate and work together to see if an easier then a round them up like inhuman cockroaches sort of take on things
#22. To: 82Marine89 (#19)
#23. To: christine, Ferret Mike, all (#21)
fair enough, but what you fail to realize is that that street goes both ways. there are plenty of them (i believe a lot more than you think) who hate white americans and believe that this is their land, not ours.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#24. To: Ferret Mike, red jones, Jethro Tull (#22)
I am sorry to hear of your problem with identity theft as someone who as done four days in jail when a tweaker used my driver's license, but amnesty will address and solve ID theft problems, not exacerbate them.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#25. To: christine (#21)
"fair enough, but what you fail to realize is that that street goes both ways. there are plenty of them (i believe a lot more than you think) who hate white Americans and believe that this is their land, not ours."
#26. To: 82Marine89 (#23)
#27. To: They're only here to do the work Americans refuse to do (#14)
The Railway Killer
(an illegal Mexican alien "day laborer")
An old-timer in Arizona asks,
"How many deportable illegal aliens have been interviewed and released
by local police during the national search for serial-murdering mestizo?"
Glenn Spencer asks,
How many more Americans are going to be killed by illegal aliens before our government gets serious about protecting our borders? When will Americans demand action?
Rep. Lamar Smith says,
"There's no good explanation on the part of INS or the Department of Justice unless we have an agency that doesn't work or doesn't care," said Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, chairman of the House immigration subcommittee. "How many more Ramirez' are out there? "
ResendezWashington Post (Free Registration) -- March 8, 2004
Deadly Incompatibility
In 2000 the Justice Department's inspector general issued a report detailing the disturbing case of Rafael Resendez- Ramirez. Mr. Resendez-Ramirez had been arrested while crossing the Mexican border illegally, and the Border Patrol -- unaware that he was wanted for murder -- had returned him to Mexico. He subsequently sneaked over again and killed several more people before being caught. 
Resendez-Ramirez Case:
June 13, 1999 - 10:29 AM PDT
Psycho or terrorist?
"He's reached a level here where he's nothing. He's been a big loser; nobody wants anything to do with him."
6-30-99
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JUNE 2
VCT estimates that Resendez Ramirez could have been deported UP TO 60 TIMES under the current unworkable system!
Mexico City
Cape Girardeau, Missouri
[...then he illegally crossed the porous border and killed four more Americans].
#28. To: 82Marine89 (#0)
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
Seen this overplayed set of photos. Amnesty will end that sort of environmental problem too.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#30. To: A K A Stone (#28)
Is that pic of you marine?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#31. To: christine (#21)
fair enough, but what you fail to realize is that that street goes both ways. there are plenty of them (i believe a lot more than you think) who hate white americans and believe that this is their land, not ours.
#32. To: 82Marine89 (#19)
They wouldn't go after his employer because they said he made an adequate attempt to verify the SSN. Bastards
#33. To: 82Marine89 (#30)
#34. To: Red Jones (#32)
It was the republicans in 1986 who fixed the law so that employers merely have to take a photo-copy of social security card or other ID documents and not make any real effort to confirm that the information is real. So Republicans made it so that employers could make token efforts and that was enough.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#35. To: A K A Stone (#33)
Well you look like a patriotic American concerned about his country. Keep it up.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#36. To: Red Jones (#6)
I tend to agree with you on amnesty also. The recent immigrants were invited here in a de facto basis. That is, though they came here illegally the government knew they were doing it and greased the wheels for them to do it. And since they are here they've put down roots. It would be wrong to make them leave. We have an obligation to let them stay.
#37. To: 82Marine89 (#34)
#38. To: noone222 (#36)
One of the guys recently deported from the Meat Packing Company raids at Cactus, Texas had worked at the plant for 18 years.
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
The way the Minutemen approach this issue inflames the Axlan movement much like Bush's war creates terrorism.
#40. To: Ferret Mike, Red Jones (#18)
Golden Rule
#41. To: Red Jones (#38)
that is my point. it is unjust to just throw them all out.
#42. To: Red Jones (#38)
the solution is to do what reagan wanted in 1986 and that his own party wouldn't support him on. that is to 1 have an amnesty and 2 require the employers to confirm that all new hires are legal and thenpenalize the hell out of the employers who don't comply.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#43. To: Red Jones (#38)
the republicans have this department of education where they control the schools and the schools are discouraging assimilation and english.
#44. To: mirage (#43)
#45. To: Red Jones (#38)
it'll do a lot more good to throw out the republicans than to throw out the illegal aliens. the illegal aliens pay taxes all the republicans do is squander money and start wars.
#46. To: Red Jones (#44)
you got to hold em responsible. it's the republicans' fault.
#47. To: Red Jones (#44)
you got to hold em responsible. it's the republicans' fault.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#48. To: 82Marine89 (#42)
We gave them an amnesty and were promised that there would be no more.
#49. To: noone222 (#45)
Throw out the Democrats and the Republicans ... they're all criminals and they all squander money and start wars.
#50. To: Red Jones (#48)
but we were lied to in 1986 and anybody who looked closely knew we were lied to at the time. That includes me.
#51. To: mirage (#46)
#52. To: Red Jones (#51)
democrats - republicans - shoot em all.
#53. To: noone222 (#41)
#54. To: 82Marine89 (#29)
#55. To: A K A Stone (#33)
(Edited)
"Well you look like a patriotic American concerned about his country. Keep it up."
#56. To: noone222 (#39)
"This statement is total bullshit"
#57. To: Ferret Mike (#54)
More Americans killed and hurt other Americans last year then immigrants did.
#58. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
Securing the border is a cosmetic measure, healing America's fascist soul and developing empathy and understanding between people will do far more to heal the problem then (should be than) making a trumped up wedge issue out of this and dehumanizing Iraqis and Mexicans.
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#55)
#60. To: 82Marine89 (#47)
It's your fault, not the Republicans
#61. To: A K A Stone (#59)
#62. To: Ferret Mike (#61)
Yeah mother fucker, come out to Eugene and I'll br glad to givve an asshole like you some of that.
#63. To: All (#38)
that is my point. it is unjust to just throw them all out.
#64. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
(Edited)
The Mexicans I am willing to support amnesty for. The Irish who are primarily the folks my family were part of heard all this danger to the U.S. crap before about them, and how they were a bunch of dirty White niggers who were ignorant and less then human.
#65. To: Arator, Marine, all (#64)
(Edited)
- Tibet Facts No.2: Chinese Presence in Tibet: Population Transfer - The allegation that Tibet is "being swamped under a tidal wave of non-Tibetan settlers" is now a common feature of discussion about contemporary Tibet. The migration of Chinese into the country is often spoken of as the greatest threat to its stability and its political and economic integrity. The Dalai Lama has referred to the issue as perhaps the gravest threat facing Tibet today.
#66. To: A K A Stone (#59)
#67. To: noone222 (#36)
This is a ruse. The Govt. is using the Mexicans to train for deporting us, enemy combatants.
#68. To: mirage (#43)
Anyone who has worked in education will tell you that the folks in charge are the most loosey-goosey left-wing people you will ever encounter on the planet.
#69. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike, christine (#59)
#70. To: bluedogtxn (#69)
(Edited)
Not sure why you posted that to FM, pal. I can tell you that although he and I have differences on certain areas, he's here a lot, contributes a lot, and we think of him as family. If that was intended as some kind of threat, you've just reduced your credibility here to zero, and permanently.
#71. To: bluedogtxn (#69)
If that was intended as some kind of threat,
#72. To: bluedogtxn (#67)
They will find people to put in them and reasons to fill them when they run out of aliens.
#73. To: Ferret Mike (#11)
I can understand people's fear of change and new people.
Winston Churchill
#74. To: Red Jones (#17)
Republicans started the war. Illegal aliens didn't.
Winston Churchill
#75. To: Red Jones (#38)
it is unjust to just throw them all out.
Winston Churchill
#76. To: Tauzero (#74)
#77. To: Red Jones (#76)
but it is not a law that passes 'common law' standards while laws against property theft do.
#78. To: noone222 (#70)
I thought it was funny and cute ! The video being a rather mild response to FM's ridiculous posts ...
#79. To: noone222 (#71)
Oh yeah, ... how's about this from FM:
#80. To: All (#56)
#81. To: Arator (#64)
#82. To: bluedogtxn (#79)
"Well, apparently Mike responded to the video in the manner the poster intended."
#83. To: Ferret Mike (#82)
#84. To: bluedogtxn (#83)
By the way, FM. Who is the chick in the pics?
#85. To: Ferret Mike (#81)
#86. To: bluedogtxn (#68)
I doubt the loosey-goosey lefties are responsible for that!
#87. To: Minerva (#84)
That is Tori Amos.
#88. To: noone222 (#62)
"Your sense of empathy is underwhelming ... you brute ! hahahahahahaha !!!!!"
#89. To: mirage (#86)
You're also south of the Mason/Dixon. We here on the left coast and also people in the Northeast or Upper Midwest get the loosey-goosey types!
#90. To: bluedogtxn (#89)
Well, all things considered, I think I'd prefer the loosey gooseys to the watered-down, censored, and downright false information I have to reprogram out of my kids in their current school, which is actually rated the best in this district.
#91. To: noone222 (#71)
"Please forgive the language and spelling, Mike's a third grader living in the slums with his single drug addicted mom."
#92. To: mirage (#90)
The teachers here in the Northwest are such Bush haters that they use English classes to pontificate on the subject.
#93. To: Ferret Mike (#91)
With all due respect, I can laugh at myself and don't mind the sport you make here concerning me, but leave my mother out of it.
#94. To: All - What Stone should have posted (#93)
(Edited)
rather than that silly vid. Here we have racist, illegal invaders that really DO need a stick beating.
#95. To: bluedogtxn (#92)
If my kids are as contrary as I was, I may wind up with a couple of communists on my hands.
#96. To: Ferret Mike (#91)
I can laugh at myself and don't mind the sport you make here concerning me, but leave my mother out of it.
#97. To: bluedogtxn (#83)
"By the way, FM. Who is the chick in the pics?"
#98. To: noone222 (#96)
(Edited)
"I guess I should feel terrible ... but you should learn to spell and quit motherfucking others when you espouse such empathy for everyone."
#99. To: Ferret Mike (#98)
and quit motherfucking others
#100. To: noone222 (#99)
(Edited)
#101. To: Ferret Mike (#100)
You are repeating yourself. I am Wiccan, remember? And Stone is the "never suffer a witch" diatribe master who often denigrates the Goddess.
#102. To: noone222 (#101)
"Geez, how could I have forgotten something so pertinent."
#103. To: noone222 (#71)
Please forgive the language and spelling, Mike's a third grader living in the slums with his single drug addicted mom.
#104. To: Ferret Mike (#100)
#105. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#104)
"Mike, I hope that you don't judge all Christians the same. I was raised that Jesus called us to love - not to hate and condemn, Only He has the power of life and death - for a Christian to call for such things will bring the wrath of God down on them."
#106. To: Ferret Mike (#105)
In Eugene, the only place for people to go without a home or resources is the Eugene Mission. There, the Christians demonstrate intense weakness. They require people to go to forty minute services regardless of their religious beliefs to get food. And they have bulls to prod and shake sleepers and make non participants leave and go hungry.
#107. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#106)
"Giving from the heart and not for honor or praise is what I was taught - and what my church practices."
#108. To: Ferret Mike (#107)
I'm afraid when I see a Christian on the make heading in my direction I get a fight or flight response physically. I know there are good Christians out there, but I aggressively and in a no compromise fashion tell anyone 'witnessing' to me to at ease that modus and to move it along.
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