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Title: War Nerd--Why I Hate WWII
Source: exile.ru
URL Source: http://www.exile.ru/2006-December-15/war_nerd.html
Published: Dec 20, 2006
Author: Gary Brecher
Post Date: 2006-12-20 10:07:19 by Indrid Cold
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Views: 261
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FRESNO -- Everybody's mad because Eastwood's Iwo Jima movie, Flags of Our Fathers, bombed. I read this one review that said every citizen ought to go pay to sit through it even if it is a bad movie, like it's some kind of patriotic duty for me to put $25 in Clint Eastwood's offshore account. (And yeah, I know movies don't cost $25 but I can't sit down in a darkened room unless I've got a Humpback-size diet coke in one hand, a Maxi-tub popcorn in the other, and a spare clip of Milk Duds in my ammo pocket.)

I've got my own theory about why all these WW II movies went down in flames like Zeros in the Marianas Turkey Shoot: because WW II is way overrated. Next to the guy who directed Pearl Harbor, the men who set that war in motion and made all the decisions from 1939-1945 were the biggest idiots in history. And that's why all the lessons of WW II, everything it's supposed to teach us, is either dead wrong or as obvious as a ballpeen hammer in your face, so obvious that even Barney could teach it to his diaper demographic between commercial breaks.

The biggest lie about WW II is that it was a war between good and evil. Bullshit, because there were no good European countries.

Fact No1: They Were ALL Fascists. At a military level, let's face a nasty fact: WW II was Stalin vs. Hitler. The rest was window dressing. Stalin won because--because what, he was a nicer guy? Nope, he won because his brand of fascism was actually way more ruthless and bloody and effective than Hitler's smalltime snobbery, and because Stalin had the whole US industrial machine backing him. There's no moral lesson in that that I can see.

Of course, most of these WW II fans try real hard not to think about Stalin, so they prefer to think about Britain and the rest of Western Europe. Those are officially the good guys. Well, got some bad news for you: they were all fascists too, just weaker than Stalin and Hitler, more sly and suckup-y. The only lesson they've got to offer is that if you want to survive, start out as a raving fascist and when that becomes uncool, turn coward and start pretending you were always in favor of niceness.

Europe before Stalingrad was an alien planet, as crazy and bloodthirsty as any Aztec priest. Nobody realizes the complete flip-flop Europe did in 1945. Before that, it was a continent full of insane fascists. Some were braver, better soldiers, or smarter; those are the only real differences.

And when I say "smarter," I don't want to overdo it, because the Greatest Generation was a bunch of morons. Hitler was the stupidest of all, I grant you that, but he was just the standout in graduating class full of mongoloids in fedoras. Take Churchill, who's supposed to be a God of courage and decency and smarts. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Churchill was a buffoon. He was the moron who got Allied armies into useless Mediterranean campaigns in both World Wars. Gallipoli had Churchill's autograph all over it, and he was so stupid he tried the same crap 25 years later with the Italian adventure. He had this obsession with the "soft underbelly of Europe" which conveniently forgot about these things called "mountain ranges," like the Alps and the Apennines.

There's another inconvenient fact about Churchill: he was a fascist too, every bit as much as Hitler. Only thing is, you can't blame him much for that, because, and I want y'all to listen up here, everybody in Europe was a fascist until 1943--if they were quick on the uptake enough to see the Wehrmacht was doomed--or 1944, by which time it was obvious even to the moron majority that fascism was now officially taboo. I repeat: everybody in Europe. Fascist to the core.

Churchill's one and only reason for fighting Hitler was that he didn't want Germany challenging England for world domination. In 1936, Churchill told a British general, "Germany is getting too strong; we must smash her." That was his only objection to the Nazis. No way he could have minded their brutality, because Churchill was always in favor of violence against anybody who opposed British interests. Long before the war, he supported using concentration camps for the Boer women and kids, strafing Indian villages--and here's his enlightened democratic quote on how to deal with the Iraqi Kurds, everybody's favorite persecuted minority, from a 1919 memo: "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned [sic] gas against uncivilized tribes."

That doesn't make him a bad guy; it just makes him a standard European, pre-1945. They were all like that, only more so. You can go down the list of European countries and come up with a list of homegrown fascist parties, all totally popular and democratic, that make the Nazis look like squeamish moderates. Some of them, like the Iron Guard in Romania, make even me flinch.

And if we rotate the globe, voila!: the Asian theatre also turns out to be a classic battle of fascism vs...more fascism. The Imperial Japanese military caste was beyond fascist. Seriously, they were so hardcore that it was taboo even to suggest the possibility of anything going wrong with the grand plan for total victory, which is why nobody dared to develop anything resembling a strategic plan. That was a good way to get yourself hacked into Kobe beef. The Japanese brass responded like Travis Bickle to questions like that: "You talkin' to us? You askin' us that question? Cuz we don't see any other Japanese brass around here..." Cut to: arterial sprays where the insolent questioner used to be.

And in the opposite corner: Chiang Kai Shek, the Asian Churchill: a totally incompetent military leader and lifelong fascist who saw how the wind was blowing and repackaged himself as a crusader for democracy in order to get aid from the gullible Americans. Chiang only valued one thing: obedience. And he only trusted one guy: himself. That's why he personally held 82 official positions in China, including head of all the armed services. He picked his generals for their incompetence, because he suspected that talented men might turn against him. Any sign of independent thinking, never mind criticism, meant the chop, and I mean that literally. Chiang even had himself declared the head of the Chinese Boy Scouts, that breeding ground of coups. That was the Good Guy of the Asian theatre. Oh wait, I'm forgetting Mao, another champion of human rights.

Even the noncombatant states were fascist before the Marshall Plan showed dictators that there was more profit in talking nice. Countries tried to copy the big, bad fascists with little comedy monsters of their own, like Trujillo in the Dominican Republic or Peron in Argentina. And in their humble way, all these guys did their best to do their worst. Trujillo actually tried to prove that the Dominicans were the lost tribe of Aryanism, and ordered something like 30,000 Haitian immigrants hacked to death with machetes for being "black." Even the Mexicans tried to do the Fascist two-step, only being Mexican they went for the gaudiest color they could find, so while Germany had the brownshirts and Mussolini had the blackshirts, Mexico came up with...the Gold Shirts! "And put some frilly cuffs on that while you're at it!"

After Stalingrad, the world's fascists just figured out that if you wanted to win, you needed US backing like Stalin got, and that meant you needed a cleaner line of patter than the Nazis and Japanese used. Those hick Jerries and Japs talked death, skulls, slaughter, suicide--tsk tsk, way uncool. Stalin, on the other hand, talked peace, friendship between peoples, justice for the working class...and not only killed far more civvies than Hitler did but got funded for it by the American taxpayer. It was the original no-brainer--which was lucky because this was the Dumbest Generation since the Thirty Years War.

Fact No2: The Holocaust is a One-Shot Exception; Genocide DOES Pay.

The Holocaust is the next-biggest non-lesson of WW II. Everybody loves to talk about this particular case of genocide because it failed, or so we're told. The Germans paid a terrible price for what they did to the Jews. Nope; the Germans paid a terrible price for invading Russia. If they'd stuck to holding their half of Eurasia, Stalin would have continued his love affair with Hitler, the only human being he ever liked, and the European Jews would have been a shared buffet, divvied up between concentration camps flying the swastika or the red star.

What made the Holocaust totally unlike most genocides is that we remember the victims; and the only reason we do is, once again, the USA. The European Jews were totally vulnerable and despised over there, but their kin in America were doing fine and cared enough to remember their relatives who died. Compare this to almost any other example of genocide, and there are literally thousands of examples, and you'll see the difference: most of the time (I mean DUH!) the tribe that gets genocided is the most despised, weak and helpless tribe in the region. That means nobody remembers them at all, or if they do they consider the genocide an example of Progress, or just one of those things. If you doubt that, then tell me quick what tribe lived 400 years ago in the city where you're reading this now. I still, after years of trying to find out, don't know what tribe lived around Fresno. Nobody even mentions them on the web--that's how most genocides work. The tribe vanishes forever. That's why they call it genocide, for God's sake! And once it's gone--Duh!--nobody remembers it or cares.

The reason people love to talk about Nazis killing Jews is that, thanks to the Jews in America, there were people who insisted on remembering the victims. If people thought about the genocide of, say, the tribe that lived where you lived, they'd get bummed. They'd realize the world is a slaughterhouse and there are no moral lessons. That's why they'd rather talk about Auschwitz than...Fresno.

Fact No3: There Are NO Military Lessons to Be Learned from WW II

This is my real pet peeve about WW II, because frankly I care way more about bad military history than all that moral bla-bla. Every military lesson people WANT to take away from WW II is wrong, and the one they COULD learn is the one they don't want to learn.

So for starters, here's the real lesson of the war: military superiority in the narrow sense isn't nearly as important as economic strength and propaganda working in tandem.

Now that is a real depressing lesson for all military buffs, and one that took me years to accept, but we have to face it. If military superiority settled things, the Germans and Japanese would have won because they were by far, and I mean by FAR, the best soldiers. A military historian with the unlucky name of Nutter has done a really good job of demolishing the hometown writers who try to assert that allied troops came close to Wehrmacht soldiers in combat power. I'll leave it to him to deal with diehard Greatest Generation fans: http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/armies/introduction.aspx

Until Hitler poured its strength out on the Russian wasteland the Wehrmacht had total supremacy. Once you realize that you can drop a lot of myths, such as the crap that the French were cowards and the Brits brave heroes. The French lost because they had a land border with Germany, period. The British Army did as badly or worse than the French in combat with the Wehrmacht during the invasion of France, and survived for one reason: Hitler, the moron, had this idea that Britain would stand with him against Bolshevism when the Brits came to their senses, so he cancelled the invasion, codenamed Operation Sea Lion. If the invasion had gone ahead, Churchill's speech about fighting them on the beaches, etc., would have had a sequel: "We shall fight them on the beaches...for about ten minutes. We shall fight them in the hills...for about a week," and so on.

The key military struggle of the war was on the plains of Russia, and Hitler lost not because he was evil--what, Stalin wasn't just as evil?--but because he was too much of a snobby hick idiot to look for allies. If he'd courted the Belorussians, Ukrainians, Poles, the peasant landholders forced onto kolkhozes and all the other anti-Commie groups in Eastern Europe he'd have won hands down. And if Stalin had been one smidgen LESS evil, he'd have lost anyway. Stalin won because his soldiers were way more afraid of the NKVD than the Nazis. If a Russian soldier was captured, he was considered a traitor. If he retreated, the commissars were waiting to shoot him. If he bitched, he'd have his fingernails removed and end up begging to be shot.

So the real legacy of this shitty war was a Soviet world, where the way to win is to mix propaganda about love and peace for grabbing US tax dollars with a new kind of violence, a mean cowardly kind that happened in Moscow basement interrogation cells, with 70-year sentences to Office World as the alternative for us lucky Fresno-ites.

Everything they told you is wrong. Everything you believe is wrong, and worse than that--it's dull, too. At least the fascists tried to make it interesting for us non-execs, non-surfers, non-golfers. They were brutal scum, sure...but I have to ask, "compared to who--YOU assholes?"

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#1. To: Indrid Cold, historian1944 (#0)

So the real legacy of this shitty war was a Soviet world, where the way to win is to mix propaganda about love and peace for grabbing US tax dollars with a new kind of violence, a mean cowardly kind that happened in Moscow basement interrogation cells, with 70-year sentences to Office World as the alternative for us lucky Fresno-ites.

JR of FR lives in Fresno, along with a lot of other Bushbots, they should read this; not for accuracy but to expand their minds. Sorry to hear Eastwood's film didn't do so well at the box office.

The Troskyite NeoCommies are doing a good job of extending the Stalin legacy to US. I'm waiting for one who looks like Nikita to stand up and say "I will show you the last priest". He did promise to have one of their own in the Oval office one day.

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973

robin  posted on  2006-12-20   10:20:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin, Indrid Cold, historian1944 (#1)

I am not an expert on WW I or II, but I do have a suspicion this guy is right on. Would like to hear other comments concerning this decidedly non mainstream POV. And as far as being lied to, well, seems everything else we are expected to believe has been a pile of...

tom007  posted on  2006-12-20   10:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: tom007. Robin (#2)

What he failed to mention is that Stalin, FDR and Churchill were Jewish. Also the Rothschilds who loaned Hitler the monetary equivalent of 50,000,000 ounces of gold so he could buy guns in 1935 and start WW II were not mentioned. And he neglected to say that the German army tried to surrender in March of 1939 and the Japanese Emperor tried to surrender in 1938, 1939, 1940 and 1941. If you know someone ignorant enough to have seen that movie, please tell them that the Japanese had tried to surrender prior to the battle of Iwo Jima (i.e. after the Battle of Leyte Gulf) but FDR refused because his good friend Joe Stalin had not seized enough European territory. So what if he had killed 40,000,000 people in real concentration camps. He was Jewish so he was the good guy. And who cares what happens to goyim stupid enough to die for America, a wholly Jewish owned enterprise. Every person who died at Iwo Jima died for the benefit of Zionism, the Rothschilds and Joe Stalin. Not one died to defend America.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2006-12-20   10:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Indrid Cold (#0)

too bad no one can post this over on FR. it would be fun to watch the thread.

"I am your superior, in every respect..." -- ponchy

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-12-20   10:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Horse (#3)

And he neglected to say that the German army tried to surrender in March of 1939

Germany didn't invade Poland until Sept. of 1939. In March 1939, they were officially "cool" with the world, and not yet at war with Britain and France.

Are you saying that Germany tried to surrender in peacetime?

The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".

Indrid Cold  posted on  2006-12-20   11:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Indrid Cold (#0)

and the lesson seems to be that FASCISM rules the day. it seems to be the state in which the majority of human beings is comfortable.

christine  posted on  2006-12-20   11:36:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Indrid Cold, Christine (#5)

Are you saying that Germany tried to surrender in peacetime?

Churchill wrote of the two German officers sent by the German Military Chief of Staff to London in March of 1939 to offer to arrest Hitler and stop the war before it started. But as ambassador Joe Kennedy said, "Lord Rothschild insisted on war." The rest is history.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2006-12-20   12:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: robin (#1) (Edited)

Eastwood's films tend to be boring and long because no one has the guts to tell him to edit his work -well crafted but long and boring. Spielberg is starting to come to grips with this problem about himself as a film maker - he is a genius at it but lately he is so into the technical crafting of movies he forgot the story telling - not one of his recent movies has a good ending - like he could not figure out how to end his movies. Even the ending to Jaws was stupid but it worked - now his endings just hang there - not resolving the movie at all.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-12-20   15:35:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Horse (#7)

Churchill wrote of the two German officers sent by the German Military Chief of Staff to London in March of 1939 to offer to arrest Hitler and stop the war before it started.

I hope they were hanged as traitors.

The national nightmare has ended... Now begins two years of watching the Congress play "Kick the Gimp".

Indrid Cold  posted on  2006-12-20   15:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Indrid Cold (#0)

I agree with him regarding Churchill.

Other than that he makes too many condescending generalizations about a complicated subject matter he thinks he knows about.

Diana  posted on  2006-12-20   15:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Indrid Cold, robin (#0)

he was too much of a snobby hick idiot

They were brutal scum, sure...but I have to ask, "compared to who--YOU assholes?"

Too bad the genuine intellectuals have been shut out and/or silenced...

Diana  posted on  2006-12-20   15:53:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Indrid Cold (#0)

I just saw this is from the exile, that explains a lot.

Diana  posted on  2006-12-20   15:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Destro, Indrid Cold, robin, Horse, christine, tom007 (#8)

Eastwood's films tend to be boring and long because no one has the guts to tell him to edit his work -well crafted but long and boring. Spielberg is starting to come to grips with this problem about himself as a film maker - he is a genius at it but lately he is so into the technical crafting of movies he forgot the story telling -

Clint Eastwood has always been lousy at character development which makes his movies boring.

Spielberg's movies have no depth, and he feels the need to bash his audience over the head to make a point with over-the-top propaganda, kind of like those boys at EXile magazine do.

Diana  posted on  2006-12-20   16:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Indrid Cold (#0)

Fact No3: There Are NO Military Lessons to Be Learned from WW II

I disagree. The neocons of today had best look at the Finnish Winter War and the Partisan actions of Tito's boys in Yugoslavia to see what happens when you let hubris take the place of common sense and surround yourself with weak "yes" men.

Undergunned "little guy" defending his home turf knocks the shit out of the "Super Powers" of the time.

Finland had an exellent sense of political timing in both the Winter War and the continuation war. In the later, when the Soviets were starting to grind them down in late 1944 they sent a message to Moscow: "We are ready to discuss peace terms. We suggest you accept. We know you can crush us in time, but when you reach Helsinki the Allies will reach Berlin and beyond. So what's it going to be? Finland or Germany? You can't take both."

The lead Russian formations then went into Finalnd in 1939 were marching in parade formation, singing songs, and were told to be expected to be greated as liberators. Instead, they got treatment like this. All that war lacked was photo ops of Stalin strutting around in a flight suit at a forward air field.

Tito also managed some political manuvering in the same fashion as the Finns and both nations avoided becoming total puppets of Moscow like Poland or the Czechs did.

"We can take Finland in 7 days. Send food, fuel, and ammo for 10 days just to be safe." - Soviet General on the eve of the invasion of Finland.

3 months and 125,000 dead later...

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2006-12-20   16:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tom007 (#2)

It's kind of a hit and miss kind of article. At the end of WWII, there were many countries that ended up in the Soviet sphere of influence. I think that was less by design than circumstance. At Yalta and Teheran, FDR did allow Stalin to keep lots of territory, but that was mostly circumstance. Exactly how was one going to argue against the Soviets having influence in places the Red Army already occupied or was going to occupy prior to war's end?

He is correct that the military actions were primarily between the Red Army and the Wehrmacht. My source for much of what follows is "When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Defeated Hitler" by David Glantz. Statistics bear this out, over 60% of all casualties were on the Eastern Front. We in the west love to talk about how Alamein was the turning point in the war, when Rommel's 4 German Divisions and Italian Divisions (his total force was something like 195,000, with much less actual combat power available, inflicting around 60,000 casualties. During the same period (Oct-Nov 1942) the Red Army defeated Sixth Army and encircled them, damaged Fourth Panzer Army, and destroyed Romanian Third and Fourth Armies, removing 50 Axis divisions from the order of battle.

The disparity of effort gets better. Over 2 million German and Soviet soldiers fought at Kursk, and 5 million fought later on the front from Smolensk to the Black Sea, and during that time the Allies invaded Sicily to displace 60,000 Germans. Losses of German soldiers totalled just over 11 million (dead and wounded), with 9 million occurring on the Eastern Front. Germans weren't joking when they said that war in the west was more like sport, while on the east, it was hell.

We tend to overestimate the effect of Lend Lease on the Soviets. Without it the war would have went on longer. It is wrong though to say that without it the Soviets could not have won. It would have been much harder, but the end result would have been the same. The most important tactical assistance was the locomotives that we sent that helped the logisical tail keep up with advances. Without, they would have ended sooner, requiring more battles.

I'm not sure where this guy's been, but nearly everything I've read discusses that it generally took 5 Shermans to destroy a German tank (depending on model.) Largely this was because of the shortcomings of the equipment, and what aided us is that the German tanks had slow traversing turrets so the tank ran out of time before one of the tanks got a side shot on it. But it's also been acknowledged that the Germans were at a 4:1 skill advantage versus US and sometimes as high as 10:1 versus the Soviets. Remember, though, that 1944 and beyond, the Germans were largely on the defensive and the Allies on the offensive so casualties would be higher for us. There have been a lot of tactical lessons learned from WWII, such as the effectiveness of maneuver warfare, and the most effective way to defeat it (thank you Soviets). There were lessons to be learned on partisan warfare. Granted many of the lessons have been overtaken by events, much like there's not much tactical knowledge to be gleaned from study of the Civil War.

It is correct that had Hitler not had nearly every man, woman, and child killed during the advance into the Ukraine, they would have found easy allies to help them. Given the devil's choice (die quick with Germans, die slow with continued Soviet leadership) they chose die slow and worked against the Germans. I don't agree that the blocking detachments behind Red Army units was why they won the war, no matter how bad your government, you will fight to protect your country. The blocking detachments were to assist with one of the peculiarities of fighting the Soviets, there were times that they fought like lions, to the last man, and there were other times they tried to just melt away. It is wrong, though, to give them too much credit, especially as the war went on, the Soviets were getting far more effective and didn't need motivation to keep moving forward.

I also agree that the continent was pretty much completely led by fascists, and finished with it being led nearly everywhere by fascists.

historian1944  posted on  2006-12-20   17:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Diana (#13)

other than the Dirty Harry character and Play Misty For Me, i think Eastwood sucks as an actor. he was awful in Bridges of Madison County.

christine  posted on  2006-12-20   17:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: historian1944 (#15)

Thanks for this most interesting info/analysis.

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973

robin  posted on  2006-12-20   18:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Horse (#3)

What he failed to mention is that Stalin, FDR and Churchill were Jewish.

Nope.

You're one of those loons who think everyone in the world's Jewish but you, right?

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-12-20   19:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#14)

You leave out the fact that Finland still lost - twice. What did that beast Stalin care about the number of casualties?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-12-21   10:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: YertleTurtle (#18)

I am partially of Jewish descent on my mother's side. Stalin's original name meant Joe Son of a Jew. His father was a Jewish cobbler in Kiev. Churchill's mother was Jenny Jerome and was a Jewish girl from New York. FDr admitted in 1935 to the New York Times that Roosevelt was a Jewish name.

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Horse  posted on  2006-12-21   12:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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