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Religion See other Religion Articles Title: Hee! Hee! Jesus isn't coming back anytime soon! "There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25 The Bible is filled with references to astrology. This is because astrology was widely accepted as truth in Biblical times. Christians who believe that astrology is Satanic would be surprised to learn that the Bible is filled with astrology and even Jesus himself made numerous references to astrology. People believed in the study of the stars in Biblical times. Everyone knew the influence of the sun on the earth, and the sun was a star. It certainly made a pattern, so far as life on earth was concerned - it shaped everything, or at least nourished everything - and the shape had to be such as to allow the sun to give life to it. One of the great astrological stories in the Bible is the story of the star of Bethlehem. It is written that the star was a sign from God signaling the birth of the Messiah into the world. The Magi, Persian astrologer-kings, determined the time of this birth by the position of this star. In 1600, Johannes Kepler hypothesized that this star was actually a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn. Confirmed by modern astrology, this symbolism ties in with the prophecies of that era concerning a Messiah amongst the Jews. The conjunctions occurred at the end of Pisces, ruled by Jupiter. Jupiter is the planet of kings. Saturn is the planet that rules the Jews, thereby giving the king of the Jews. This was a very infrequent triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn and it occurred in the year 7 B.C. The following are some of the most interesting Biblical references to astrology. According to Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish historian, the Jewish temple at Jerusalem had the twelve signs of the zodiac inlaid in its floor. Josephus also stated that the twelve loaves of showbread in the temple was a reference to the zodiac. In modern times, Israel issued stamps with the zodiac signs identified with the twelve tribes of Israel and the astrological symbolism of the temple. The Bible states that God made the heavenly bodies to show us "signs" of his intentions. These signs can be read by anyone who knows how to interpret them. Astrology is about interpreting these signs in the motions of the sun, moon, planets, and stars. "And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the Earth." And it was so." (Gen. 1:14-15) "And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the Earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the Earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." (Luke 21:25-27) In the verse above, Christ uses astrology to reveal the "signs" in the sky of his coming. The Bible states that the first communication from God came from the stars. David writes in his Psalm: "The HEAVENS declare the glory of God, and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day after day utters his speech and night after night shows his knowledge. There is no tongue or language where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the Earth and their words to the ends of the world. In them (the heavens) he has set a tabernacle for the sun." (Psalm 19:1-4) "Can you bring forth the Mazzaroth (the zodiac) in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? (an astrological constellation)" (Job 38:32) This Bible verse shows God using astrology to answer Job. The Bible also describes an astrological sign called the "Morning Star" which is a reference to the planet Venus. The Morning Star, also known as the "light bringer", is also an astrological symbol that functions as a sign for the onset of dawn. It appears as a brilliant "star" at night just before the sun rises and brings light each morning to earth. The greatest function of this "light bringer" is as a symbolic reference to the Messiah who brings the light of God to the people. The Bible also uses the term "Morning Star" as a reference to all sons of God including Lucifer, the "light bearer". "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright MORNING STAR." (Rev. 22:16) "And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the MORNING STAR rises in your hearts." (2 Peter 1:19) "Just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give him the MORNING STAR." (Rev. 2:27-29) "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the Earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." (Isaiah 14:12-14) "After this, Job opened his mouth and cursed the day of his birth. He said: "May the day of my birth perish ... May its MORNING STARS become dark; may it wait for daylight in vain and not see the first rays of dawn, for it did not shut the doors of the womb on me to hide trouble from my eyes." (Job 3:1-10) "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? ... On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone - while the MORNING STARS sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?" (Job 38:4-7) In one of the prophetic dreams of Joseph, he saw eleven stars bowing down to his star. The interpretation of this dream was obvious and that was that Joseph's brothers will bow down to him. "Then he (Joseph) had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me." When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, "What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?" (Gen. 37:9-11) Of course, we all know the rest of the story that they indeed had to bow down to Joseph when Pharaoh made him a prince because of his ability to interpret dreams. Astrology refers to every 2160 years as a new "AGE" which is a different sign of the zodiac that comes into position to influence the Earth. The Bible describes events that will occur according to the signs of the astrological "ages". “And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the AGE.” (Matt. 28:20) “Anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this AGE or in the AGE to come.” (Matt. 12:32) “The harvest is the end of the AGE, and the harvesters are angels. As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the AGE.” (Matt. 13:39-40) “What will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the AGE?” (Matt. 24:3) “No one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this AGE and, in the AGE to come, eternal life.” (Luke 18:29-30) “We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this AGE or of the rulers of this AGE ... None of the rulers of this AGE understood it.” (1 Cor. 3:6-8) “These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the AGES has come.” (1 Cor. 10:11) "[Christ was raised] far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present AGE but also in the one to come.” (Eph. 1:21) “... who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming AGE.” (Heb. 6:5) “Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the AGE of the ages.” (Heb. 9:26) “Just and true are your ways, King of the AGES.” (Rev. 15:3) All these Bible verses are referring to the end of the AGE of Pisces (the fish, the Church age) and the beginning of the AGE of Aquarius (the water-bearer, Christ). Jesus was born under the end of the age of Aries (the ram or lamb) and this may explain why he called himself the "lamb of God." By the time Jesus began his ministry, it was the beginning of the age of Pisces (the fish, the Church age). The sign of the fish has special significance to Christianity because the sign of the fish has been known throughout the millennia to be the sign of Christianity. Jesus recruited "fishermen" as disciples to make them "fishers of men." He fed the masses with a miraculous draft of fishes. His followers were know in Latin as "pisciculi", the "little fishes." A commonly used icon in Christian churches is the "Vesica Piscis", which is Latin for "mouth of the fish". Its shape resembles a fish without a tail. It can be seen in the shape of stained glass windows in many churches and cathedrals. The Pope wears a ceremonial hat in the shape of a fish head. Around the year 2300 A.D., the end of the age of Pisces will occur. The world will then enter a new age, the age of Aquarius (the Water-Bearer). It should be obvious to Christians that the identity of this "Water-Bearer" is the one who (1) came from the waters of Galilee (2) baptized with water (3) changed water into wine (4) walked on the water (5) washed the feet of others with water (6) calmed the ocean waters (7) gives living water (8) says we must be born of water (9) drank the cup from the Father. Sometime before the age of Aquarius arrives, major earth changes were foretold by Jesus to occur. Jesus said that before this happens, there will be wonders in the sun, moon, and stars signaling this coming age of the Christ consciousness. This is a good reason why every Christian should study astrology so that these heavenly signs can be interpreted. Another astrological reference concerning Christianity deals with the winter solstice which begins on December 21. It is the day of the year when the night is longest and the daytime shortest. The ancient Egyptians noticed that on the autumn equinox, the sun does not set farther south and sets in the same place on the horizon for three days. This is an astrological reference to when the sun (Son) goes down for three days (dies) and then begins to rise again (resurrection). Using the crude instruments available, ancient astronomers were able to detect by December 25th of each year that the daytime had become noticeably longer. This date was chosen, and remains, the traditional date for followers of many different religions to celebrate the "rebirth" of the sun. Following the equinox, each succeeding day has slightly more sunlight than the previous day. It was seen as a promise that warmth would return once more to the earth. Numerous pre-Christian religions honored their gods' birth or rebirth on or about that day. The ancient Egyptians knew that as long as the sun rose in the morning, life would continue on the Earth. This explains why the Egyptians used the sun as their symbol for the eternal life of the cycle of the seasons. In many Christian churches today, the symbol of the cross with a circle in the center of it appears on church steeples. This icon of the circle as representing the sun, comes from the Egyptian belief that the sun represents eternal life. In the Book of Revelation, the following symbolism is used to describe the appearance of the Son: “Behold, he comes with clouds and every eye shall see him.” (Rev. 1:7) The Son (sun) is the “light of the world” and is seen by everyone. “The Son (sun) of righteousness arises with healing in his wings.” (Malachi 4:2) The Egyptian religion held that the Sun of God, Horus, was killed under the sign of Virgo (the virgin) but was resurrected in the age of Leo (the lion). This is why the Egyptians built the Sphinx with the head of a woman (Virgo) and the body of a lion (Leo). During the days of Moses, the Hebrews were subject to the religion of Egypt. Before the worship of Amen-Ra (God) was instituted, Egyptians worshipped Isis (the Mother of God). When the Hebrews left Egypt and arrived in Canaan, their religion was influenced by the Canaanite religion whose God was named El (the planet of Saturn). The Star of David is a symbol which comes from the “star” of Saturn (El) which is the planet the ancients used to refer to the Hebrews. With the influence of the religions of Isis, Ra and El, or: Is(is) Ra El(Elohim-Lord) or Mother Father Son(Sun) The Hebrews named their nation Is-Ra-El, or Israel. The Hebrews adopted Saturday (from Saturn's day) as their day of worship. Christians, whose astrological influence was the sun (also from Egyptian origin), worshipped on Sunday (or the sun's day). The story of Jonah (Semetic for "sun") is about a man who is swallowed by a whale (death) and remains in it's belly for three days at which time the man is freed (resurrection). This story is another symbolic of the astrological account of how the sun remains still for three days during the winter equinox. It is also symbolic of the resurrection of Christ. When Moses came down from the mountain, he saw the people worshipping a golden calf. This idol came from the Egyptians astrological worship of the sun. Golden represents the color of the sun. The calf (Taurus the bull) represents the age in which the Moses lived when he wrote the Torah. When history moved into the next sign (Aries the ram), the Hebrews celebrated the approach of their Messiah by blowing rams horns. The sign of Aries influenced many religions to adopt the “lamb of God” concept. The concept of the zodiac is very ancient, with roots in the early cited cultures of Mesopotamia. Astrology is, more than likely, the oldest religion created by humans. The first twelve-sign zodiacs were named after the gods of these cultures. The Greeks adopted astrology from the Babylonians, and the Romans, in turn, adopted astrology from the Greeks. These cultures renamed the signs of the Mesopotamian zodiac to symbols of their own mythologies. This is why the familiar zodiac of the contemporary West bears names out of Mediterranean mythology.
Poster Comment: If one wants to put any faith in astrology (and the Magi did), then all those warped Christian Zionists are as wrong as can be. I don't really anything more than a passing interest in astrology. I find it interesting, though, that the Magi gave him gifts, and it was the political wing of the Jews and Romans that murdered him.
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"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25 The Bible is filled with references to astrology. This is because astrology was widely accepted as truth in Biblical times. Christians who believe that astrology is Satanic would be surprised to learn that the Bible is filled with astrology and even Jesus himself made numerous references to astrology. There is way, way, way too much here to retort in one sitting. One would have to almost go tit for tat on each and every sentence. I don't have the time or energy [and my computer is trying to freeze up] to do it today. However, God condemned astrology in the Bible, contrary to the article's claims. I think he is mixing up astronomy and astrology. I'll give you just three passages on God's view of astrology, if you want to look them up: Isaiah 47:12-13; Jeremiah 8:2-3; Acts 7:42-43. There were signs in the sky when Christ was born, Rev. 12:1, which others say occurred on September 11, 3 BC. See David Chilton's Days of Vengeance http://www.en trewave.com/freebooks/docs/html/dcdv/dcdv.html , around pages 325 - 330, where it talks of the twelve stars, sun and moon coming in conjunction, just as the Bible said. I know there was a comet in the shape of a sword that hung over Jerusalem for a year, before it was destroyed. See Josephus Wars of the Jews at http://preteristarchive.com. . He may have recorded more heavenly signs. But this was astronomy, and not astrology. The Bible also describes an astrological sign called the "Morning Star" which is a reference to the planet Venus. The Morning Star, also known as the "light bringer", is also an astrological symbol that functions as a sign for the onset of dawn. It appears as a brilliant "star" at night just before the sun rises and brings light each morning to earth. The greatest function of this "light bringer" is as a symbolic reference to the Messiah who brings the light of God to the people. The Bible also uses the term "Morning Star" as a reference to all sons of God including Lucifer, the "light bearer". "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright MORNING STAR." (Rev. 22:16) "And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the MORNING STAR rises in your hearts." (2 Peter 1:19) "Just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give him the MORNING STAR." (Rev. 2:27-29) "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the Earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." (Isaiah 14:12-14) oh, brother.....read this article please [the sheep in wolves clothing have infiltrated the church and the seminaries and the Bible publishers forever. Blasphemy of blasphemy, they are equating Satan with Christ.]: NIV Calls Lucifer "Jesus" http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivsatan.htm In one of the prophetic dreams of Joseph, he saw eleven stars bowing down to his star. The interpretation of this dream was obvious and that was that Joseph's brothers will bow down to him. "Then he (Joseph) had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me." When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, "What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?" (Gen. 37:9-11) This is a metaphor, and the stars, of course, represent the tribes, Joseph's brothers. I haven't given a LOT of thought to the latter part, and am not sure who the sun and moon represent. Maybe the moon represents Islam, maybe the tribe of Dan [see Seasons of the Moon - Night Killer - Tribe of Dan at http://ohr.org]. Not sure about the sun, although the Vatican is a sun-worshipper. Joseph is the head of the 10 Northern tribes, known collectively as ISRAEL [and alternately, as Ephraim, Joseph's youngest son, and that's another story]. Israel is the name the one who wrestled with Jacob [who was in fact the pre-incarnate Jesus] gave to Jacob. Jesus is Saviour and KING of Israel, and His name is also synonymous with it [ http://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/j/jesus-is- israel.html ]. Joseph was sold off into slavery by his brothers, and subsequently saved his family from starvation. In the end, his brothers came and worshipped at his feet. [Genesis 50:15-21]. Later Israel [the 10 tribes] were cast away into the Assyrian captivity. To make a long story short, Israel has evolved into the church [believers in Christ of every tribe, nation, and tongue - Gal. 3:29; Isaiah 49:6; Rev. 5:9-10...see The Church Is Israel Now http://www.preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/provan- charles_dd_01.html ]. Some people don't like to hear that, but that's the way it is. I believe Israel is the "low tree" in Ezekiel 17:22-24 [and Joseph is a "fruitful bough"], and it is planted in America - Psalm 2:6. We've been in slavery as well, but didn't know it - The Us Is Still A British Colony. Now see Rev. 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, but are not and do lie; behold, I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Remind you of Genesis 50? Another lesson: Jesus said, if you do not forgive your brethren, then your Father which is in heaven will not forgive you. See how it works? A lot of the rest of the article, including the references to Is-Ra-El, Isis, Horus, etc. etc., is a lot of mumbo-jumbo Babylonian, Judeo-Freemasonry, and I'm not even going there today. So, most of your article is heathenism which has not yet died in the past 2,000 years. But it will. Ezekiel 36:25, for example. As far as the timing of Jesus' coming, I believe it's in the Bible, but the passage says nothing about the sun, moon, and stars. I think those were mainly prophecies for different times.
The Old Testament is obsolete; I accept none of it. It has been replaced by the New Testament, and those who believe that Jesus coming back has anything to do with Israel or Jews, has another think coming. As for astrology, the unalterable fact remains that the Magi predicted Him and gave Him gifts, and it was the evil people of His time, the Jewish leaders (today the necons, and Christ-deniers such as the Christian Zionists), and the Roman government (today, the U.S. government) who murdered Him, just as they would today murder Him if He returned.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
...that's your perfect right to do. It has been replaced by the New Testament, and those who believe that Jesus coming back has anything to do with Israel or Jews, has another think coming. Couldn't disagree with you more: Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this...... http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Isa/9/7.html still being played, IMO. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Act 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the [son] of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. Act 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according to [his] promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Act/13/23.html so....who is Israel? Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed...... http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom009.html#6 Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. [see seed, verses 16-29]. http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Gal/Gal003.html#29 http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Gal/3/29.html As for astrology, the unalterable fact remains that the Magi predicted Him my Bible says He was foretold.....and the wise men FOUND him by following the star. Matthew - Chapter 2 Mat 2:1 ¶ Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Mat/2/2.html Mat 2:3 When Herod the king had heard [these things], he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. Mat 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. Mat 2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, Mat 2:6 And thou Bethlehem, [in] the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule **** my people Israel......... Mat 2:7 — Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat002.html#7 http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Mat/2/7.html Rev 12:1 — And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Rev/12/1.html maybe they were looking for this: Isa 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. Isa 60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Isa 60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at [thy] side.......... ------------------- Micah 4.
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