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Published: Dec 29, 2006
Author: Sam Mathid
Post Date: 2006-12-29 11:21:09 by christine
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I buy gold (and silver) for one reason. That reason is that things are about to change. That was my conclusion in June of 2000 and I sense the approach of that change growing ever closer. I am not just talking about the usual economic reasons such as the gross debasement of fiat currencies around the world, or the insane levels of debt created with enthusiastic abandon by our shifty, self-serving politicians or the equally idiotic levels of private debt; neither am I talking about the sheer indifference and/or incompetence of our governing officials and their enthusiastic squandering of the vast taxes confiscated from the peasants who continue to work and create and produce despite all inducements to not do so. I am referring to the fact that Western civilisation is beset with a stupidity that is so rampant, so widespread and so ingrained that it cannot continue for much longer. 'Stupidity' is the opposite of 'smart' and both words can only exist in the context of survival in one form or another. We have drifted so far from survival as a race that we have placed survival itself at risk. How is it possible for people to not understand that rewarding the incompetent by the process of penalising the able will lead to greater incompetence? How is it possible to believe that punishing producers to reward non-producers will do anything but eventually and logically cause a total cessation of production? We live in a world where the mindless trilling of politicians and aging pop singers is regarded as the font of all wisdom; a world where some people really believe that the end is nigh because of global warming and that the government ought to spend itself billions of dollars even further into debt doing something about it… as if an organization that cannot deliver mail properly could save the world from a meteorological catastrophe. We live in a world where less than 50% of the workforce actually create wealth and who subsequently then have to support the more than 50% who do not; where private employers may no longer dictate the terms of employment to their own employees. A world where general practitioners who are trusted with nations' health are so ignorant of real causation, let alone healing, that it is usually safer not to go to them, and where psychiatrists drug human brains in crazed attempts to solve problems of the mind. At the same time as our governments have confiscated most of the financial benefits from the most major technological advance of the human race ever, they have managed via their daft social engineering schemes and outright corruption to simultaneously bankrupt western civilisation in the manner of tin-pot African dictators peeling the skins off banana republics. 'Follow the money' has justifiably become the mantra of the age as it is often the only way to find out what is really going on. To do so shows an alarming discrepancy between appearance and reality. The wide-eyed young street activists campaigning for action against global warming are, in a bizarre fact, the unwitting foot soldiers of the nuclear power industry. The white coated psychiatrists cosily posing as healers of the mind are in reality extraordinarily well paid salesmen for unscrupulous pharmaceutical companies. Pious, tax funded promoters of the war against hunger cover their dirty dollar tracks back to vast agri-business concerns like Monsanto who are the manufacturers and promoters of genetically and atomically modified foods which threaten to monopolise the world's food supply. We live in a world where new legislation banning something or other spews forth every week from our governing elite creating more and more criminals to the point where nothing, and I do mean NOTHING is not covered by some incomprehensibly complex piece of government legislation. The legislation is so obtuse that it is literally not possible to ever comply fully with any certainty even if one was so inclined. I was speaking with a policewoman a few years ago who told me that she tends to only socially mix with other members of the force. The reason? "Everyone always looks so guilty and uncomfortable when I tell them that I am a police officer. Everyone has done something that breaks the law." And that sums up the truth of the matter. Our governments have made criminals of all of us whilst allowing real criminals to roam free and easy on the streets. The constant promises of governments to end corruption and inequality and monopolies inevitably lead to greater corruption and greater inequality and greater monopolies and still people cannot see the obvious which is that government control is the problem, not the solution. It is as though the spirit of Walt Disney rules the western world and is producing a vast Road Runner fantasy whereby society can fall over steep cliffs and then pick itself up, dust itself off and carry on as though nothing had really happened. Well we are heading over a cliff, but society will not be able to pick itself up and dust itself off afterwards. Things are going to change big time when and after we reach the bottom. Survival is based upon making decisions that result in actions conducive to survival. Such decisions can only sanely be made at the level of the individual. Sometimes individuals get it wrong and suffer the consequences, so be it, but with governments taking over the decision making role you can be sure that those wrong calls will become institutionalised; and you can also be sure that there will be an awful lot of wrong calls. That is what has got us to where we are now. Heading down the path that we are currently treading it is a foregone conclusion that both personal and business initiative will cease to exist and that we will be reduced to the intellectual and economic level of Cuba or North Korea. In its ever more obsessive pursuit with saving our bodies our governments are killing our souls and in the process are reducing people to a level of apathy. Most people don't like it, but they don't feel that they can change anything. Is that a definition of apathy, or what leads to apathy? I'm not sure. Domestic turkeys don't have a high IQ and over the generations have had responsibility for their own survival bred out to the point that when born they have to be trained how to drink water by placing sparkling coloured marbles at the bottom of the water bowl for them to play with. Without this aid the poults (young turkeys) die of thirst. There is a similarity between these poults and the citizens of modern societies who rely on and trust governments to such a degree that they feel no personal responsibility for their own survival. To place that much faith in unaccountable governments is a sure recipe for non-survival. Because people start with a higher IQ than turkeys the process takes longer, but the result will eventually be the same. The poults actually have the advantage in that it is in the interests of the farmer to keep the turkeys alive… at least until Christmas. No such incentive exists for the politicians. Why would they really care whether you live or die unless it is some way affects their electoral standing? The survival traits of the human race are being bred out by a lazy illusion of permanent prosperity and safety brought about by wise and benevolent Great Nanny States. It is all madness. Of course it will come to an end. Eventually our apathetic tolerance of such foolishness will give way to anger which will quickly become rage. Change is on the way because we either change or we cease to exist as a civilisation. Our civilisation is like a dule of young turkeys who are in danger of losing their marbles. One day in the not too distant future I believe that gold and silver will be great investments; almost as good as a stockpile of baked beans.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
His supermarket and gas station accept gold and silver bars? Selling gold and silver to people as a protection from currency crash is the act of fools or scam artists.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I was really ripped off a few years ago when I was hustled into buying gold at $300 and silver for $5.50. With fools and scam artists like that, I don't need an investment adviser. I guess it was just a coincidence that the value of the dollar has gone down while the value of silver and gold have gone up.
............ The tyrannical and dictatorial political state is the direct offspring of scientific materialism and philosophic secularism. Secularism frees man from ecclesiastical slavery only to betray him into the tyranny of political and economic slavery. Materialism denies God, secularism simply ignores him... Recently, secularism has assumed a more militant attitude, assuming to take the place of the religion whose totalitarian bondage it onetime resisted. Twentieth- century secularism tends to affirm that man does not need God. But beware! this godless philosophy of human society will lead only to unrest, animosity, unhappiness, war, and world-wide disaster. Urantia Book
Selling gold and silver to people as a protection from currency crash is the act of fools or scam artists. boy, are you clueless. with everything he said in this article and that's what you highlight?
He'll pay with wheel barrels of Frauds! ($)
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten daughter so that we may worship The Goddess, who we call SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED!"
It does not matter because gold and silver - unless you can store and protect them at home - costs a lot of money to store in any quantity that you can live on in a financial crash (I am not talking commodity speculation for profit). Another downside is that neither gold nor silver are liquid - to get them to buy you anything you need to convert it to the so called worthless cash again. If there was a total melt down in our money economy then barter would be the way the system would work and you would be better off stocking cigarettes and bullets to trade for food than gold.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
It does not matter because gold and silver - unless you can store and protect them at home - costs a lot of money to store in any quantity that you can live on in a financial crash (I am not talking commodity speculation for profit). Another downside is that neither gold nor silver are liquid - to get them to buy you anything you need to convert it to the so called worthless cash again. If there was a total melt down in our money economy then barter would be the way the system would work and you would be better off stocking cigarettes and bullets to trade for canned food goods, etc than gold bars or coins.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
That's why the filter is active. ;0)
"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798
Ping to the unUsual Suspects Richard W.
Why? Are you afraid of other opinions? Freeper bot mentality on display - hating to hear contradictory information - limited world view, etc.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Not so, folks will trade what you need for gold and silver. It is a valuable commodity just like a can of beans. There is no problem with storage of gold and silver. My weapons and ammo take up more space. My water purifier and stored water take up more space. Hell, my survival toilet paper takes up more space.
............ The tyrannical and dictatorial political state is the direct offspring of scientific materialism and philosophic secularism. Secularism frees man from ecclesiastical slavery only to betray him into the tyranny of political and economic slavery. Materialism denies God, secularism simply ignores him... Recently, secularism has assumed a more militant attitude, assuming to take the place of the religion whose totalitarian bondage it onetime resisted. Twentieth- century secularism tends to affirm that man does not need God. But beware! this godless philosophy of human society will lead only to unrest, animosity, unhappiness, war, and world-wide disaster. Urantia Book
Doubt it unless you happen to have a jeweler on hand that can determine that the gold and silver being sold to you is of the purity claimed. If the worst case scenario envisioned by the gold and silver end times enthusiasts pans out you are better off stocking up on bullets or cigarettes or canned goods to trade. I grew up in the 70s fever of the survivalists - I understand it is a religous like mindset for many as it was when I was a babe.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
gold and silver are not liquid? worldwide, they are HISTORICALLY the most liquid items! liquidity is the lowest spread between the ask and the offer price. it is not how easily it is convertible to paper currency since ALL paper currencies fail over time. you turkey, you've lost your marbles !
I dare you to walk into any store in the Western world and use a gold bar or coin to purchase items - double dare you - that is what liquid means to me. I have never seen in my life a store with a gold scale/gold authenticator next to the cash register - except at a jewelers.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
OK lets say that paper currencies fail - you are telling me that you can then break out a gold coin or bar and use that to get a full tank of gass from the Mexican or Pakistani or good 'ol boy operating the gas station? Like they will know that the gold you are offering is not fake? Who would have more luck getting a full tank of gas in the most catastrophic scenario? The guy who shows up with a cold coin for a full gas tank or the guy who shows up with canned goods and cigarettes or bullets to trade for the gas? Be honest.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
"Doubt it unless you happen to have a jeweler on hand that can determine that the gold and silver being sold to you is of the purity claimed." No need, value is determined by the buyer and seller during the trade. No need for the "expert" opinion. "If the worst case scenario envisioned by the gold and silver end times enthusiasts pans out you are better off stocking up on bullets or cigarettes or canned goods to trade." Nope, valuable metals have a place in any survivalist inventory. "I grew up in the 70s fever of the survivalists..." And you weren't paying much attention, I see. "I understand it is a religous like mindset for many as it was when I was a babe." Ahhh, another benefit of religious behavior.
............ The tyrannical and dictatorial political state is the direct offspring of scientific materialism and philosophic secularism. Secularism frees man from ecclesiastical slavery only to betray him into the tyranny of political and economic slavery. Materialism denies God, secularism simply ignores him... Recently, secularism has assumed a more militant attitude, assuming to take the place of the religion whose totalitarian bondage it onetime resisted. Twentieth- century secularism tends to affirm that man does not need God. But beware! this godless philosophy of human society will lead only to unrest, animosity, unhappiness, war, and world-wide disaster. Urantia Book
No need, value is determined by the buyer and seller during the trade. No need for the "expert" opinion. Most likely the guy you offer the gold to would doubt it is real and would not be able to figure it out one way or another and ask for something else that you have to trade. OK, lets say that paper currencies fail (and by the way I am not doubting this is possible - just doubting that gold hoarding would save you) - you are telling me that you can then break out a gold coin or bar and use that to get a full tank of gass from the Mexican or Pakistani or good 'ol boy operating the gas station? Like they will know that the gold you are offering is not fake? Who would have more luck getting a full tank of gas in the most catastrophic scenario? The guy who shows up with a gold coin for a full gas tank or the guy who shows up with canned goods and cigarettes or bullets to trade for the gas? Be honest.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I don't think that there has to be any one particular method of protecting yourself against the government's currency debasement. Buy beans, guns, booze, gold/silver or toilet paper. It is an individual decision. However, if the need ever arises for you to phyically move, you probably won't need a U-Haul truck for your gold and silver while 30 cases of Spam could be a problem. Richard W.
"Most likely the guy you offer the gold to would doubt it is real and would not be able to figure it out one way or another and ask for something else that you have to trade." Never happen. He will have learned the value of lots of items as they are offered to him in trade. Come on guy, merchants will catch on quick. This is a non-issue. "OK, lets say that paper currencies fail (and by the way I am not doubting this is possible - just doubting that gold hoarding would save you) - you are telling me that you can then break out a gold coin or bar and use that to get a full tank of gass from the Mexican or Pakistani or good 'ol boy operating the gas station?" Yep, though I would probably only need a hand full of junk silver coins. "Like they will know that the gold you are offering is not fake?" Yep, I can, why can't they learn. Hell, maybe you could too. "Who would have more luck getting a full tank of gas in the most catastrophic scenario? The guy who shows up with a cold coin for a full gas tank or the guy who shows up with canned goods and cigarettes or bullets to trade for the gas?" Most likely, when I show up with the convenient, small valuable little coins, he will smile at me with a thank you attitude as he looks back to his cases of corn and beans that he has accumulated from those folks who have no metal to trade. Actually, a case could be made that he may give you even more gas than you expect because he recognizes the benefit of compact, high value coins. Dude, there was a day, not too many years ago that folks routinely took silver coins for a little gas. duh "Be honest." Watch your mouth.
............ The tyrannical and dictatorial political state is the direct offspring of scientific materialism and philosophic secularism. Secularism frees man from ecclesiastical slavery only to betray him into the tyranny of political and economic slavery. Materialism denies God, secularism simply ignores him... Recently, secularism has assumed a more militant attitude, assuming to take the place of the religion whose totalitarian bondage it onetime resisted. Twentieth- century secularism tends to affirm that man does not need God. But beware! this godless philosophy of human society will lead only to unrest, animosity, unhappiness, war, and world-wide disaster. Urantia Book
My grocer takes silver ... pays spot/oz bullion or spot plus the premium on silver dollars.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
We as a society really need to wean ourselves from their monetary system if we want to rid ourselves of the parasitic effects of a [credit / debt] economic system. Otherwise ... gobble, gobble, gobble marble heads !
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
Let's clear something up. You don't store bullion or ingots. You buy bags of dirty, citculated dimes, quarters and dollars and a few gold coins for major purchases and believe me, it'll be business as usual. Hell, in the darkest Phillipines island jungle a US Silver Dollar is recognized and can be traded. The coinage has value apart from the silver content. Only an idiot would trade a bar of suspect metal for anything of value, and it certainly isn't worth much when buying milk or scallions. And, 10% of your wealth converted to silver coins now will protect your entire fortune when the other 90% is taken in the collapse.
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten daughter so that we may worship The Goddess, who we call SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED!"
What we have here is a religious discussion. Those who believe in precious metals versus those who don't. I'll listen to your arguments with an open mind until you ridicule those who believe as I do as being fools and scam artists. Then I realize you really don't have anything to say that interests me. Incidentally, I think ridiculing those that believe in PMs is more of a freeper bot characteristic.
Running every 'get out of Dodge' scenario still shows gold to be problematic in terms of carrying wealth in this day and age. You can carry it, sure but will the people you meet along this hypothetical Apocalypse road trade for it?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
You think paper is money?
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
you are assuming a lot. Ass-u-me.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Not all of us live in Survivalist enclaves.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
well, personally, i'd rather have it than not..same with my lead.
So the only opinion you will hear is one that does not offend your sensibilities? Anyone who filters based on the fact he was made uncomfortable by hearing a negative opinion needs to be slammed.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
It is for now - and when it is not worth anything - I think barter for goods like Spam will dominate over any trade in gold or silver.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
History says they will. Richard W.
Incidentally, I think ridiculing those that believe in PMs is more of a freeper bot characteristic. Destro just don't get it. One of his favorite ploys is to try to reverse the situation and accuse others of what he is doing himself. That, indeed, is a freeper bot characteristic, and the mark of a disinfo artist. That is why we call him Disinfo Destro.
"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798
You need to spend less time playing with your GI Joe toys and more time studying reading comprehension.
Well, just keep on fuckin up ... it's your choice.
"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938" noone222 12-17-06
lol
pesky history !
I wonder -- were the absurdly high taxes imposed on cigarettes to reduce their attractiveness as a substitute currency? This utilization of cigarettes was evidently common in some Soviet bloc nations towards the end.
The disinfo is on your part - I am talking about forum moderators operating censorship and bannings to control discussions and opinions. I deplore all such censorships and I get a kick out of reading opinions different from mine - unlike you 'bots.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
You need to spend less time playing with your GI Joe toys and more time studying reading comprehension. Destro is another keyboard commando. I seriously doubt he could hold his own, one-on-one, with anyone who has been in the trenches. Been there, done that. And kicked enough ass to know the difference. ;0)
"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798
...Whatever
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI buy gold (and silver) for one reason. That reason is that things are about to change.
#2. To: Destro (#1)
"Selling gold and silver to people as a protection from currency crash is the act of fools or scam artists."
#3. To: Jethro Tull, HOUNDDAWG, Starwind, Arete, innieway, ladybug, Ada, BTP Holdings, IndieTx, Ferret Mike, bluedogtxn, Esso, angle, Pissed Off Janitor, a vast right wing conspirator, mehitable, who knows what evil, tom007, randge, Sam Houston, hammerdown (#0)
#4. To: Destro (#1)
His supermarket and gas station accept gold and silver bars?
#5. To: christine (#4)
#6. To: wakeup (#2)
I guess it was just a coincidence that the value of the dollar has gone down while the value of silver and gold have gone up.
#7. To: christine, HOUNDDAWG (#4)
#8. To: christine (#4)
boy, are you clueless.
#9. To: christine, *unUsual Suspects* (#0)
#10. To: BTP Holdings, christine (#8)
That's why the filter is active. ;0)
#11. To: Destro (#7)
#12. To: wakeup (#11)
Not so, folks will trade what you need for gold and silver. It is a valuable commodity just like a can of beans.
#13. To: Destro (#7)
#14. To: christine (#13)
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gold and silver are not liquid?
#15. To: christine (#13)
it is not how easily it is convertible to paper currency since ALL paper currencies fail over time.
#16. To: Destro (#12)
#17. To: wakeup (#16)
(Edited)
Doubt it unless you happen to have a jeweler on hand that can determine that the gold and silver being sold to you is of the purity claimed."
#18. To: Destro (#17)
#19. To: Destro (#17)
#20. To: Destro (#1)
His supermarket and gas station accept gold and silver bars?
#21. To: Destro (#1)
Selling gold and silver to people as a protection from currency crash is the act of fools or scam artists.
#22. To: Destro, christine (#12)
Doubt it unless you happen to have a jeweler on hand that can determine that the gold and silver being sold to you is of the purity claimed.
#23. To: Destro (#10)
Why? Are you afraid of other opinions? Freeper bot mentality on display - hating to hear contradictory information - limited world view, etc.
#24. To: Arete (#18)
However, if the need ever arises for you to phyically move, you probably won't need a U-Haul truck for your gold and silver while 30 cases of Spam could be a problem.
#25. To: Destro (#1)
Selling gold and silver to people as a protection from currency crash is the act of fools or scam artists.
#26. To: wakeup (#19)
Never happen. He will have learned the value of lots of items as they are offered to him in trade. Come on guy, merchants will catch on quick. This is a non-issue.
#27. To: noone222 (#20)
My grocer takes silver ... pays spot/oz bullion or spot plus the premium on silver dollars.
#28. To: Destro (#24)
#29. To: Sonovademocrat (#23)
#30. To: YertleTurtle (#25)
You think paper is money?
#31. To: Destro (#24)
You can carry it, sure but will the people you meet along this hypothetical Apocalypse road trade for it?
#32. To: Sonovademocrat, Destro (#23)
Why? Are you afraid of other opinions? Freeper bot mentality on display - hating to hear contradictory information - limited world view, etc.
#33. To: Destro (#29)
So the only opinion you will hear is one that does not offend your sensibilities?
#34. To: Destro (#27)
Not all of us live in Survivalist enclaves.
#35. To: noone222 (#34)
Well, just keep on fuckin up ... it's your choice.
#36. To: Arete (#31)
History says they will.
#37. To: arete, *unUsual Suspects* (#12)
If the worst case scenario envisioned by the gold and silver end times enthusiasts pans out you are better off stocking up on bullets or cigarettes or canned goods to trade.
#38. To: BTP Holdings, Sonovademocrat (#32)
Destro just don't get it. One of his favorite ploys is to try to reverse the situation and accuse others of what he is doing himself. That, indeed, is a freeper bot characteristic, and the mark of a disinfo artist. That is why we call him Disinfo Destro.
#39. To: Sonovademocrat, Destro (#33)
So the only opinion you will hear is one that does not offend your sensibilities?
#40. To: Destro (#38)
unlike you 'bots.
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