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Title: Domestic Turkeys
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URL Source: http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/mathid122706.html
Published: Dec 29, 2006
Author: Sam Mathid
Post Date: 2006-12-29 11:21:09 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 4011
Comments: 295

I buy gold (and silver) for one reason. That reason is that things are about to change. That was my conclusion in June of 2000 and I sense the approach of that change growing ever closer.

I am not just talking about the usual economic reasons such as the gross debasement of fiat currencies around the world, or the insane levels of debt created with enthusiastic abandon by our shifty, self-serving politicians or the equally idiotic levels of private debt; neither am I talking about the sheer indifference and/or incompetence of our governing officials and their enthusiastic squandering of the vast taxes confiscated from the peasants who continue to work and create and produce despite all inducements to not do so.

I am referring to the fact that Western civilisation is beset with a stupidity that is so rampant, so widespread and so ingrained that it cannot continue for much longer. 'Stupidity' is the opposite of 'smart' and both words can only exist in the context of survival in one form or another. We have drifted so far from survival as a race that we have placed survival itself at risk.

How is it possible for people to not understand that rewarding the incompetent by the process of penalising the able will lead to greater incompetence? How is it possible to believe that punishing producers to reward non-producers will do anything but eventually and logically cause a total cessation of production?

We live in a world where the mindless trilling of politicians and aging pop singers is regarded as the font of all wisdom; a world where some people really believe that the end is nigh because of global warming and that the government ought to spend itself billions of dollars even further into debt doing something about it… as if an organization that cannot deliver mail properly could save the world from a meteorological catastrophe. We live in a world where less than 50% of the workforce actually create wealth and who subsequently then have to support the more than 50% who do not; where private employers may no longer dictate the terms of employment to their own employees. A world where general practitioners who are trusted with nations' health are so ignorant of real causation, let alone healing, that it is usually safer not to go to them, and where psychiatrists drug human brains in crazed attempts to solve problems of the mind.

At the same time as our governments have confiscated most of the financial benefits from the most major technological advance of the human race ever, they have managed via their daft social engineering schemes and outright corruption to simultaneously bankrupt western civilisation in the manner of tin-pot African dictators peeling the skins off banana republics.

'Follow the money' has justifiably become the mantra of the age as it is often the only way to find out what is really going on. To do so shows an alarming discrepancy between appearance and reality. The wide-eyed young street activists campaigning for action against global warming are, in a bizarre fact, the unwitting foot soldiers of the nuclear power industry. The white coated psychiatrists cosily posing as healers of the mind are in reality extraordinarily well paid salesmen for unscrupulous pharmaceutical companies. Pious, tax funded promoters of the war against hunger cover their dirty dollar tracks back to vast agri-business concerns like Monsanto who are the manufacturers and promoters of genetically and atomically modified foods which threaten to monopolise the world's food supply.

We live in a world where new legislation banning something or other spews forth every week from our governing elite creating more and more criminals to the point where nothing, and I do mean NOTHING is not covered by some incomprehensibly complex piece of government legislation. The legislation is so obtuse that it is literally not possible to ever comply fully with any certainty even if one was so inclined.

I was speaking with a policewoman a few years ago who told me that she tends to only socially mix with other members of the force. The reason? "Everyone always looks so guilty and uncomfortable when I tell them that I am a police officer. Everyone has done something that breaks the law." And that sums up the truth of the matter. Our governments have made criminals of all of us whilst allowing real criminals to roam free and easy on the streets.

The constant promises of governments to end corruption and inequality and monopolies inevitably lead to greater corruption and greater inequality and greater monopolies and still people cannot see the obvious which is that government control is the problem, not the solution. It is as though the spirit of Walt Disney rules the western world and is producing a vast Road Runner fantasy whereby society can fall over steep cliffs and then pick itself up, dust itself off and carry on as though nothing had really happened. Well we are heading over a cliff, but society will not be able to pick itself up and dust itself off afterwards. Things are going to change big time when and after we reach the bottom.

Survival is based upon making decisions that result in actions conducive to survival. Such decisions can only sanely be made at the level of the individual. Sometimes individuals get it wrong and suffer the consequences, so be it, but with governments taking over the decision making role you can be sure that those wrong calls will become institutionalised; and you can also be sure that there will be an awful lot of wrong calls. That is what has got us to where we are now.

Heading down the path that we are currently treading it is a foregone conclusion that both personal and business initiative will cease to exist and that we will be reduced to the intellectual and economic level of Cuba or North Korea. In its ever more obsessive pursuit with saving our bodies our governments are killing our souls and in the process are reducing people to a level of apathy. Most people don't like it, but they don't feel that they can change anything. Is that a definition of apathy, or what leads to apathy? I'm not sure.

Domestic turkeys don't have a high IQ and over the generations have had responsibility for their own survival bred out to the point that when born they have to be trained how to drink water by placing sparkling coloured marbles at the bottom of the water bowl for them to play with. Without this aid the poults (young turkeys) die of thirst. There is a similarity between these poults and the citizens of modern societies who rely on and trust governments to such a degree that they feel no personal responsibility for their own survival.

To place that much faith in unaccountable governments is a sure recipe for non-survival. Because people start with a higher IQ than turkeys the process takes longer, but the result will eventually be the same. The poults actually have the advantage in that it is in the interests of the farmer to keep the turkeys alive… at least until Christmas. No such incentive exists for the politicians. Why would they really care whether you live or die unless it is some way affects their electoral standing? The survival traits of the human race are being bred out by a lazy illusion of permanent prosperity and safety brought about by wise and benevolent Great Nanny States. It is all madness.

Of course it will come to an end. Eventually our apathetic tolerance of such foolishness will give way to anger which will quickly become rage. Change is on the way because we either change or we cease to exist as a civilisation. Our civilisation is like a dule of young turkeys who are in danger of losing their marbles.

One day in the not too distant future I believe that gold and silver will be great investments; almost as good as a stockpile of baked beans.

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#124. To: ladybug (#121)

There is one form of "retreat" that I condone %100. That is retreat from the system that is wrongfully and unlawful abusing the citizens that have been faithfully following. The longer people blindly slave for our government, the more of our rights that are forfeited.

That is fine - but you can not call that being a good citizen. Which is the point you are avoiding I think.

Take for example this article - you fear fiat money collapse. Instead of organizing to get the govt to follow the will of the majority and back the dollar with gold reserves you all engage in the alternative of hording gold as the alternative.

Instead of trying to change the system you are dropping out of it - already admitting defeat.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-05   9:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Destro (#124)

We done been defeated - and that long ago.

It's better to come clean and admit it.

(Which is something our White House doesn't know how to do.)

THERE'S NOT ONE DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT WE WILL FAIL - GW Bush

randge  posted on  2007-01-05   9:28:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Destro (#124)

Instead of trying to change the system you are dropping out of it - already admitting defeat.

The system will never change if we continue to blindly comply.

We can grumble all we want, but unless we hit the legislators where it hurts, in the pocket book, they will not change the way things are.

Furthermore, as I explained in my post, there are many reasons that I am withdrawing from the Social Security system. One of the major reasons is that this system violates my personal beliefs.

How is this being a "bad" citizen if the government it self has made sure to keep this program at least somewhat voluntary, and allow a means to remove yourself from it??

It is not breaking any laws, violating any ones rights, I am not running off to some cave to be a hermit. I have simply decided that participating in this voluntary program is against what I feel is right for me, that since I do not feel it is right I will never draw benefits from it, and I shall no longer pay into it either.

Granted that this will add a few difficulties into my life, but I believe that they are worth it.

I do not understand how this is admitting defeat, I am intelligent enough to understand that I do still have a few unadulterated rights left in this country, and I have chosen to exercise the right to not participate in this program.

Admitting defeat would be something more along the lines of, "yeah, I know it is wrong, and it violates my personal beliefs, but the government has me over a barrel, there is nothing I can do". Myself, on the other hand, I have chosen to take a course of action that will no longer violate my personal beliefs. I am willing to give up my career, and work harder for less, but I can take relief that I am living my life the best way that I know how. That, my friend, is not defeat, but a small personal victory.

But I cannot understand where you think that you have the right to judge whether a persons chosen plans make them a good citizen or not. Could it be that because you are prepared to cut-and-run that you have a guilty conscience. Is that why you insist that all survivalists are retreaters? Because that is a large part of your survival plan? And because of your guilty conscience, you feel the need to demean someone else's citizenship.

You can rest assured, that I know that I am a good citizen, despite your two-bit opinion. Nothing will change in this country unless citizens stand up and lawfully demand change. Think about it this way, if 10% of each of our states population were to follow in the footsteps of myself and the couple of other local citizens who have withdrawn from Social Security, the impact from this would have a ripple effect that would have some of the big money lobbyists screaming for change for our benefit.

I could continue on all day about the repercussions that this would inflict, but right there I highlighted three of the major one's that would start demanding changes, the individual states, the banking industry, and the insurance industry. The voice of any one of the above is much louder than the voices of 100,000 citizens. They have either people already in the house or congress, or lobbyists there to influence the house and congress.

This route would probably take far less than 10% of the population, but I can promise that if people started taking quiet, legal action, in a way that influences the right people, there would be change.

Once again, I am not delusional, I don't believe that my stepping out of the system will be the straw that broke the camel's back, it will take many more people following in suit to implement change. I am doing this because I believe it is right, and if eventually enough people follow in suit to create change, all the better.

Also, I do not run around telling people that they should withdraw. Yes, I believe that it is the best choice for me, but I am also prepared to handle the repercussions. I have horses here I can saddle up instead of driving, my bills are minimal enough that I do not have to chase the almighty dollar, I have already removed my self from the banking system and so on. I am sure to warn anyone who is interested in this course of action of the privileges that they will be giving up.

There are also many privileges to be gained as well. For instance, did you know that if you do not get a birth certificate or a SSN for your child at birth that Social Services can never say one word about how you raise your child. You can educate that child at home in the manner you desire and never have to deal with the government to do it, also that child could never be drafted for the military. But there is also the fact that that child could never attend public school, never qualify for college loans and so on and so forth.

There are many things to balance and consider before one makes such a life changing decision. But making this decision in no way admits defeat. Just the opposite, it is taking action that can implement change, and accepting that your life will be more difficult for doing it. That is something you can take pride in.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-05   14:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Destro (#124)

Take for example this article - you fear fiat money collapse. Instead of organizing to get the govt to follow the will of the majority and back the dollar with gold reserves you all engage in the alternative of hording gold as the alternative.

Every time that I purchase silver and willingly exchange my FRN's for it, I am both sending a message and voting for a bimetal backed currency. I personally don't believe that there is any chance that our totally corrupted government will ever return to something like a gold standard, but you are welcome to believe, that for some unexplained reason, the ruling class will suddenly become fiscally responsible and start acting in the interests of the serfs rather than the bankers and Wall Street.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2007-01-05   14:28:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Arete (#127)

I personally don't believe that there is any chance that our totally corrupted government will ever return to something like a gold standard,

Shucks, I guess you must be a bad citizen as well. Maybe we will have to start a support group for all of us bad citizens on the forum. Who knows, if we ask pretty please with sugar on top, Destro may even counsel us on how to be good citizens. :)

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-05   16:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: ladybug (#128)

The expression, "They work for us" is one of the biggest lies ever told. We the people, have almost no voice at all in government. Congress is nothing more than organized crime working under the ruse of an officially elected constitutional government. Nothing short of armed rebellion is going to change that.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2007-01-05   17:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Arete (#129)

The expression, "They work for us" is one of the biggest lies ever told

I can definitely agree with that. But as far as the armed rebellion, I vote for hitting them in the pocket books first.

As Destro mentioned, peaceful marches on DC are met with some degree of force. Now if you have an armed militia, the government simply labels you some sort of terrorist, extremist, cult or other brand of public nuisance. By pinning this label on you it is open season on the militia, and the sheeple thank the government from saving them from this evil. Then the government can implement more strangle holds on the public, and get a pat on the back for doing so.

IMHO in order to get the governments attention it must be peaceful, yet devastating. Like hitting the pocket books of not only the government, but of banking and insurance people as well. By hitting the funders of major lobbyists we now have what your average Joe cannot even hope to afford, lobbyists being funded for what the people really want and need.

Option number two, in order for an armed rebellion to work, we would need the vast majority of the country armed and on our side, and massive amounts of organization. I do not see this happening any time soon. The government will have to really tromp all over our rights so much that even the sheeple consider believing that this is for our own benefit. Before the government will go that far they will have armies of immigrants (illegal and otherwise) they don't care about the rights of citizens and will fight simply for their own benefit.

Then not even the sheeple will dare stand, as it was the common gutlessness of mainstream America that put us in this boat to begin with.

Don't get me wrong, if I see no other means of fighting the tyranny, I will fight. Hell, if that day comes, I may be among those who lead the rebellion. I despise what this country is coming to because I love what it was meant to be.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-05   21:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: ladybug (#130)

Option number two, in order for an armed rebellion to work, we would need the vast majority of the country armed and on our side, and massive amounts of organization.

The government has become very good at preventing that from ever happening by keeping the population more or less evenly divided and at each others throats. Same crap the rulers do all over the world. Divide and conquer. The puppet government in Iraq wouldn't survive a week if the public hadn't been actively divided.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2007-01-05   21:22:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Destro (#101)

In fact the last I remember Hoover ordered the army to shoot at the closest thing to a militia movement of that era the so called 'Bonus Marchers'.

...in the teens and twenties everyone in the Appalachians was essentially a "militia/survivalist". Merely because there wasn't a lot of violence and death doesn't mean they weren't armed, prepared and capable of generating their own food and operating in localized economies.

So, in the arena of dialogue, you get to infer that the Bonus Marchers with their wives and kids were "Militia" members, while my merely equating the skill level of Appalachian dwellers as equivalent to modern Survivalists is verboten? Kinda disingenuous I'd say, not to mention missing the point...

"pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels – bring home for Emma"

Axenolith  posted on  2007-01-15   11:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: ladybug (#130)

Like hitting the pocket books of not only the government, but of banking and insurance people as well.

That nail is squarely head-hit. Reduce/eliminate debt, pay in cash, invest in tangible assets, buy in-country manufatured products wherever possible. Starving the government of its green blood is the main route of dissent...

"pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels – bring home for Emma"

Axenolith  posted on  2007-01-15   11:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Axenolith (#132)

You are a willful self deceiver.

You damn well know that the term 'survivalist' (also called 'retreater' or 'retreatist' in the early 70s) refers to a movement that arose during the Cold War where people were so afraid society was about to collapse/end they retreated to the mountains and were waiting for the end of the world with the hopes the stocked up enough food to last through the crisis.

This 'Survivalist' is not the same as people who live off the earth because they are poor dirt farmers like the Appalachians. Any attempt by you to link this movement to just natural skills acquired by people who live off the earth but have no political or ideological bent to their being mountain folks is disingenuous.

As for the Bonus Marchers - Militia means an organized force of citizens. The Bonus Marchers was the closest thing to a militia march on DC we have ever seen (and they were unarmed) - ex soldiers - organized and marching and protesting - and they were put down by the US Army with deadly force.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   12:06:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Axenolith, ladybug (#133)

buy in-country manufatured products

Why buy American? Buy foreign made and kill off American manufacturing even quicker - eliminating a revenue base for the Feds. Buy Chinese whenever you can - no quicker way to eliminate the power of America.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   12:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Destro, Axenolith (#135) (Edited)

Why buy American? Buy foreign made and kill off American manufacturing even quicker - eliminating a revenue base for the Feds. Buy Chinese whenever you can - no quicker way to eliminate the power of America.

Destro, you are a moron.

What, you would rather bring on the destruction of this country as quick as you can rather than take the high road and work to preserve the country that our founding fathers worked so hard to build??

I can understand that you think that by strangling the supply of money to the Fed. But look at the civil war, the only reason that the North "won" was that they were self reliant. They had enough manufacturing facilities that they could produce what they needed. The South on the other had to purchase the majority of goods they needed to survive. The two means of purchasing these goods were cotton and the money that they had printed for their new Confederate government. Not only was their monetary means insufficient, but the supply lines were easily controlled by the North, this left the South very vulnerable.

If you remove the Americans ability to sustain themselves you weaken the people. As it is, the ability of this country to produce what we use is already greatly impaired. We export on average only one fourth of what we import. Take the shoe industry, the United States only produces 10% of the footwear that American consumers purchase.

If you truly wish to strangle the Fed and strengthen our country, concentrate on an open market. Whenever possible produce your own or go straight to a small business that produces their own. Take shoes for an example again, my standard footwear is cowboy boots. There are many leather workers who are what I call "little guys", buying boots from them will cost more, but also you generally get what you pay for, and these boots last longer. When purchasing from your average "little guy" if you pay cash and tell them that you do not need a receipt they will typically not report that income, hence not pay taxes on it either.

If I am unable to purchase straight from the source, I will buy American anyway, at least this will provide Americans with jobs. In the case of electronics where it is very difficult to buy American, I will buy used.

The amount of foreign products that we consume is also the reason that the North American Union is on the horizon. Transport of these imported goods can be greatly reduced if they can use a Mexican port (eliminating American dock workers) having the Mexican drivers able to drive the Semi's with very little hassle, and not having to obtain a United States CDL (eliminating American Truck Drivers) or loading trains in Mexico (Eliminating American railroad employees) to deliver goods all over the United States and even up to Canada with minimal cost. This would be a crushing blow to the American economy and would cost Americans many jobs.

I am sure that Americans will not give up their foreign goods, nor Wal-Mart (a huge backer of the North American Union, and major importer of foreign goods)therefore that makes these problems inevitable, so here on the farm we work harder to make sure that we have the ability to produce the vast majority of what we consume. We understand that the economy will crash and crash hard. We also understand that it will do little or no good to be evangelistic and try to warn the masses, because the masses have no desire to change. We simply quietly prepare to feed ourselves and those closest to us. We know that the collapse will hit us hard as well, but at least we won't starve and will not have to steal.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15   16:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Destro (#134)

This 'Survivalist' is not the same as people who live off the earth because they are poor dirt farmers

So what does that make a family who has chosen to be "poor" by eliminating debt and also working away from the house less (hence living on less income) so they can be "dirt farmers" in order to eat healthier and be prepared for an economic breakdown?

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15   16:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: ladybug (#137)

Appalachian like poverty is not chosen by those people nor does it have a political rational - i.e. their poverty is not based on them wanting to belong to a political/social movement.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   16:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: ladybug (#136)

applauding your great post. you are a woman of substance and a fine patriot. ;)

christine  posted on  2007-01-15   16:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: ladybug (#136)

You are confused - you want to destroy the Fed govt tax base yet get upset when I bring up the fact taht imports from China are free from Federal taxation/levies unlike American firms who pay taxes and support the federal beast.

If you are for the destruction of the Federalies then I see no better way to destroy the beast by starvation than starving the beast of manufacturing revenues and empowering a nation that can stand up to the USA overseas.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   16:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Destro (#140)

You are confused

No Destro, you are the one who is confused.

Have you ever considered that the people who sell these goods still pay income taxes, the employees of these companies still pay Social Security and all the rest. Yet these imports contribute very little to the security and prosperity of the average American.

OH, Yeah, that is right, why in the hell would you care, you don't have to worry about the true welfare of this country because you have a little island that you can run and hide on.

No wonder you demand that survivalists must be retreaters and in your mind (a very small, yet empty space) because retreat is your means of survival, all survivalists must be retreaters.

Good luck from retreating from the NWO schmuck. You can do all you wish to bring my country to its knees, then run and hide, but don't forget, this will be an international issue.

Why do you think that I want to empower the "little guy". What American in their would want another government to forcefully take over our country. Hard working Americans need to take the reins and run our own country, hence these are the people we need to empower!!!

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15   16:31:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Destro (#140)

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies."

Correction: "The desire to rule is the mother of Destro". Do you make stupid remarks just to be noticed ?

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

noone222 12-17-06

noone222  posted on  2007-01-15   16:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Destro (#138)

Appalachian like poverty is not chosen by those people nor does it have a political rational - i.e. their poverty is not based on them wanting to belong to a political/social movement.

A. Yes, we choose to live quite poor by American standards.

B. I never said that the people in the Appalachians "choose" to live in their personal state of poverty.

C. My question was what is you narrow minded, view through a toilet paper tube, name for the likes of us here on the farm??

I am posting my previous comment to save you the trouble of looking back and maybe getting lost so that you may answer my original question.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15   16:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: christine (#139)

you are a woman of substance and a fine patriot. ;)

Thank you, but no great compliments are due. We simply live as we see fit and follow our hearts to do what we feel is truly right.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15   16:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: ladybug (#141)

Have you ever considered that the people who sell these goods still pay income taxes

according to you they are the enemy - feeding the beast are they not?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   18:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: ladybug (#141)

What American in their would want another government to forcefully take over our country.

Only a delusional American thinks the Chinese will invade America - meanwhile America invades everywhere and sends her fleet to China's shores every now and then in a show of force.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   18:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: noone222 (#142)

Correction: "The desire to rule is the mother of Destro". Do you make stupid remarks just to be noticed ?

I don't want to rule a thing. I do want to free America from her demons - that includes the demon of ignorance most Americans have been possessed of in the last 3 decades.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   18:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Destro (#146)

Only a delusional American thinks the Chinese will invade America - meanwhile America invades everywhere and sends her fleet to China's shores every now and then in a show of force.

A quote from Destro:

and another:

You yourself were advocating buying Chinese in order to empower a nation that can stand up the the USA overseas,

You are nothing but an argumentative, ignorant, narrow-minded schmuck who cannot even stick to your own argument. Once again (I have lost count as to how many time this has happened) you have talked yourself full circle to prove how flawed your own thoughts are.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15   19:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: ladybug (#148)

Like it or not, the center of the economic universe is shifting to Asia. It looks unstoppable whether you buy the cheap toaster or the more expensive German one. It won't be long before those German toasters will be made by Bulgarians. The West is on its last legs.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2007-01-15   19:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Arete (#149)

Like it or not, the center of the economic universe is shifting to Asia

Yes, I do see this myself. But I refuse to contribute to the problem.

If you live in an inner city neighborhood where murder rates are off the charts, do you just throw your hands in the air and say "if you can't beat 'em join 'em"? Do you become a murderer yourself? No, you do what you can to keep you and your family alive.

That is what we do here.

IF the majority of Americans would refuse to buy products from Asia, and maybe even gravitate towards American made, yes, we could change this trend.

But I know well, this will never happen. That is why I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, being evangelistic and trying to warn the masses will not help the problem, the masses do not want to change.

Instead, we do what we can to support American industry, and preferably free trade (no, not NAFTA, or International free trade, but free trade between two individuals without the government getting a piece of the action)and try to be as self sufficient as possible for when our economy does collapse.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15   19:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: ladybug, Arete (#148)

So let me get this down right - you advocate starving the beast that is the evil federalist govt but you don't want to starve it too much so they can fight the Chinese and preserve the American Military Industrial Complex by building more weapons to take on the world than any nation does today - including the Chinese who think they are fine with maybe 200 nukes rather than the thousands we Americans have?

Like I said - your ilk - be they 'survivalists' or 'militiamen' or 'freemen' or 'patriot movement' types have a problem with cognitive dissonance.

My Chinese example was just that - an example.

You types advocate resistance by starving the beast of revenue - so I say cut the penny anty stuff - go for the big revenue stream from corporations and support non American industry. That will kill off the Federal beast quicker then living in the woods eating bark.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   22:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Destro (#112)

'Retreater' was what the Survivalists were once self-called.

False.

"I've been running from the devil and he hasn't caught me yet."--Jason Boland and the Stragglers.

Redheadedstranger  posted on  2007-01-15   22:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Destro (#151)

You types advocate resistance by starving the beast of revenue - so I say cut the penny anty stuff - go for the big revenue stream from corporations and support non American industry. That will kill off the Federal beast quicker then living in the woods eating bark.

A. I do not eat bark, I save that for the goats

B. I do not wish to support ANY industry, I work to either produce it myself, or purchase from a small private business, but if industry is the only means to acquire what I need, then yes, I will buy American ahead of foreign. Of course I stated all of this in an earlier post that you did not have the attention span to read to its full extent.

C. To the best of my knowledge, if there is a group that I may be stereotyped into, I have yet to discover it. I have only met two other people that are truly like myself. When taking into account the population of this country, never mind the world, you can hardly call three people a group.

D. I want to strengthen the American people, not foreign countries, and not our government. This can be done, though it is not easy. I know I have mentioned many times that if more people lived as we do here on the farm there would be massive change. But I have also mentioned just as many times that I know this will not occur, your average American is far to lazy and spineless to live as we do. Nonetheless that does not mean that I will simply bow down and contribute to the problem. I will continue to do what I know to be best. If by some miracle enough American people would begin to implement changes by their actions, I would call it a miracle, as that is what it would be.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15   22:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Redheadedstranger (#152)

Retreater' was what the Survivalists were once self-called.

Unfortunately Destro is somewhat correct on this one (as much as I do not like him)

But I despise that because one group of survivalists during one period in American history did call themselves "retreaters" that now all survivalists (in Destro's small mind) are retreaters.

"Don't Steal, the government hates competition."

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-16   3:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Destro (#103)

Retreating is not resistance. It is avoidance.

If masses of blood-thirsty gangs are charging towards you and your loved ones, would you stand there in order to be a "good citizen" or would you wish you had retreated to safety instead?

Diana  posted on  2007-01-16   5:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Destro, Arete (#109)

I repeat "survivalist-retreater" to be more accurate - it is something I find Americans lack - the ability for the current American mind to think accurately so I need to clarify each statement to the max.

Come on Destro get real...

Diana  posted on  2007-01-16   6:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: ladybug, Destro, Arete (#126)

It is not breaking any laws, violating any ones rights, I am not running off to some cave to be a hermit.

There have always been people who were loners who wanted to leave society, get away from people and become mountain-men or just go to the backwoods and live off the land. No one ever suggested such people were bad citizens, maybe a bit eccentric, but they were never thought of in the least bit as being bad and certainly not criminal. I find this thread very interesting, reading between the lines of Destro's posts is very telling.

No one should have to be defensive about their choice of life-style as long as no laws are broken and no one gets hurt, isn't that what the media repeatedly tells us, Destro? In fact the homosexual lifestyle is often touted as a positive form of diversity. So what is the big deal if someone chooses to live as a "retreater"?

Diana  posted on  2007-01-16   6:59:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: Destro, Axenolith (#134)

This 'Survivalist' is not the same as people who live off the earth because they are poor dirt farmers like the Appalachians. Any attempt by you to link this movement to just natural skills acquired by people who live off the earth but have no political or ideological bent to their being mountain folks is disingenuous.

No he/she is not being disingenuous, as you have portrayed all such people who retreat as being bad citizens.

Diana  posted on  2007-01-16   7:09:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: Destro (#151)

including the Chinese who think they are fine with maybe 200 nukes rather than the thousands we Americans have?

No one has to fear a Chinese invasion.

They will simply take up the reins of civilization after the west becomes one big dust-heap.

Diana  posted on  2007-01-16   7:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Diana (#155)

If masses of blood-thirsty gangs are charging towards you and your loved ones

Only in your 'Turner Diaries' wet dreams...

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-01-16   9:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: Destro (#160)

That was a low blow Destro.

I don't wish harm on you or anyone, perhaps you do though to think up such a thing.

Diana  posted on  2007-01-16   11:24:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: Destro (#157)

I was NOT implying that you are a homosexual if that is what you are so angry about, I was using that as an example of an alternative, acceptable life-style that we are all very familiar with.

Diana  posted on  2007-01-16   11:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: ladybug (#148) (Edited)

You yourself were advocating buying Chinese in order to empower a nation that can stand up the the USA overseas,

Destro is a thoroughbred member of the Synagogue of Satan, and ... nothing but an argumentative, ignorant, narrow-minded (motherfucker) schmuck who cannot even stick to his/her own argument.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

noone222 12-17-06

noone222  posted on  2007-01-16   11:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Diana (#162) (Edited)

I was NOT implying that you are a homosexual if that is what you are so angry about,

Don't apologize to this worm. "It" (he/she) is a spineless piece of maggot shit and likely a fag too.

"They say Justice is blind and I agree ... so much so that she hasn't found her way into a courtroom since 1938"

noone222 12-17-06

noone222  posted on  2007-01-16   12:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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