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Title: Domestic Turkeys
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URL Source: http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/mathid122706.html
Published: Dec 29, 2006
Author: Sam Mathid
Post Date: 2006-12-29 11:21:09 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 4029
Comments: 295

I buy gold (and silver) for one reason. That reason is that things are about to change. That was my conclusion in June of 2000 and I sense the approach of that change growing ever closer.

I am not just talking about the usual economic reasons such as the gross debasement of fiat currencies around the world, or the insane levels of debt created with enthusiastic abandon by our shifty, self-serving politicians or the equally idiotic levels of private debt; neither am I talking about the sheer indifference and/or incompetence of our governing officials and their enthusiastic squandering of the vast taxes confiscated from the peasants who continue to work and create and produce despite all inducements to not do so.

I am referring to the fact that Western civilisation is beset with a stupidity that is so rampant, so widespread and so ingrained that it cannot continue for much longer. 'Stupidity' is the opposite of 'smart' and both words can only exist in the context of survival in one form or another. We have drifted so far from survival as a race that we have placed survival itself at risk.

How is it possible for people to not understand that rewarding the incompetent by the process of penalising the able will lead to greater incompetence? How is it possible to believe that punishing producers to reward non-producers will do anything but eventually and logically cause a total cessation of production?

We live in a world where the mindless trilling of politicians and aging pop singers is regarded as the font of all wisdom; a world where some people really believe that the end is nigh because of global warming and that the government ought to spend itself billions of dollars even further into debt doing something about it… as if an organization that cannot deliver mail properly could save the world from a meteorological catastrophe. We live in a world where less than 50% of the workforce actually create wealth and who subsequently then have to support the more than 50% who do not; where private employers may no longer dictate the terms of employment to their own employees. A world where general practitioners who are trusted with nations' health are so ignorant of real causation, let alone healing, that it is usually safer not to go to them, and where psychiatrists drug human brains in crazed attempts to solve problems of the mind.

At the same time as our governments have confiscated most of the financial benefits from the most major technological advance of the human race ever, they have managed via their daft social engineering schemes and outright corruption to simultaneously bankrupt western civilisation in the manner of tin-pot African dictators peeling the skins off banana republics.

'Follow the money' has justifiably become the mantra of the age as it is often the only way to find out what is really going on. To do so shows an alarming discrepancy between appearance and reality. The wide-eyed young street activists campaigning for action against global warming are, in a bizarre fact, the unwitting foot soldiers of the nuclear power industry. The white coated psychiatrists cosily posing as healers of the mind are in reality extraordinarily well paid salesmen for unscrupulous pharmaceutical companies. Pious, tax funded promoters of the war against hunger cover their dirty dollar tracks back to vast agri-business concerns like Monsanto who are the manufacturers and promoters of genetically and atomically modified foods which threaten to monopolise the world's food supply.

We live in a world where new legislation banning something or other spews forth every week from our governing elite creating more and more criminals to the point where nothing, and I do mean NOTHING is not covered by some incomprehensibly complex piece of government legislation. The legislation is so obtuse that it is literally not possible to ever comply fully with any certainty even if one was so inclined.

I was speaking with a policewoman a few years ago who told me that she tends to only socially mix with other members of the force. The reason? "Everyone always looks so guilty and uncomfortable when I tell them that I am a police officer. Everyone has done something that breaks the law." And that sums up the truth of the matter. Our governments have made criminals of all of us whilst allowing real criminals to roam free and easy on the streets.

The constant promises of governments to end corruption and inequality and monopolies inevitably lead to greater corruption and greater inequality and greater monopolies and still people cannot see the obvious which is that government control is the problem, not the solution. It is as though the spirit of Walt Disney rules the western world and is producing a vast Road Runner fantasy whereby society can fall over steep cliffs and then pick itself up, dust itself off and carry on as though nothing had really happened. Well we are heading over a cliff, but society will not be able to pick itself up and dust itself off afterwards. Things are going to change big time when and after we reach the bottom.

Survival is based upon making decisions that result in actions conducive to survival. Such decisions can only sanely be made at the level of the individual. Sometimes individuals get it wrong and suffer the consequences, so be it, but with governments taking over the decision making role you can be sure that those wrong calls will become institutionalised; and you can also be sure that there will be an awful lot of wrong calls. That is what has got us to where we are now.

Heading down the path that we are currently treading it is a foregone conclusion that both personal and business initiative will cease to exist and that we will be reduced to the intellectual and economic level of Cuba or North Korea. In its ever more obsessive pursuit with saving our bodies our governments are killing our souls and in the process are reducing people to a level of apathy. Most people don't like it, but they don't feel that they can change anything. Is that a definition of apathy, or what leads to apathy? I'm not sure.

Domestic turkeys don't have a high IQ and over the generations have had responsibility for their own survival bred out to the point that when born they have to be trained how to drink water by placing sparkling coloured marbles at the bottom of the water bowl for them to play with. Without this aid the poults (young turkeys) die of thirst. There is a similarity between these poults and the citizens of modern societies who rely on and trust governments to such a degree that they feel no personal responsibility for their own survival.

To place that much faith in unaccountable governments is a sure recipe for non-survival. Because people start with a higher IQ than turkeys the process takes longer, but the result will eventually be the same. The poults actually have the advantage in that it is in the interests of the farmer to keep the turkeys alive… at least until Christmas. No such incentive exists for the politicians. Why would they really care whether you live or die unless it is some way affects their electoral standing? The survival traits of the human race are being bred out by a lazy illusion of permanent prosperity and safety brought about by wise and benevolent Great Nanny States. It is all madness.

Of course it will come to an end. Eventually our apathetic tolerance of such foolishness will give way to anger which will quickly become rage. Change is on the way because we either change or we cease to exist as a civilisation. Our civilisation is like a dule of young turkeys who are in danger of losing their marbles.

One day in the not too distant future I believe that gold and silver will be great investments; almost as good as a stockpile of baked beans.

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#70. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

Selling gold and silver to people as a protection from currency crash is the act of fools or scam artists.

At least you are consistent. You are still the ignorant schmuck you proved yourself to be in our last conversation!

Why on earth would I entrust my financial security with any one else?? When the shit hits the fan, I am the only person I want to have access to my funds!!!

Limited world view is what you hold. You are still looking through that toilet paper tube, insisting that it is a telescope!! (Thank you for that analogy Randge!!! It will be the first thing that comes to mind every time I read something stupid from Destro!)

You may want to consider running a "get out of dodge scenario" yourself, especially living in such a populated area. In your neck of the woods, it will be difficult protecting your stores.

You may want to consider relocating to one for the above mentioned reasons. Not only does the local grocer accept precious metals, so does the local bar, and could easily talk the local gas station into it as well. Plus in the event of emergency relocation (though we plan on sticking it out as long as possible) the horses don't require fuel, and I am sure they would appreciate the lighter burden, and fewer pack animals would attract less attention from the desperate.

Your average American will have a hell of a time leaving this country when the shit hits the fan. The restrictions are being put in place as we speak, do you really think they will just let all of the little sheep run in fear and lighten security for us to leave?? I suppose you think other countries will come to our aid and assist American refugees as America has done for so many countries in the past?? Get real, you had best be where you are safe before it gets deep, travel out of the country will be impossible for all but the richest, and travel within the country will be greatly restricted.

Once again my friend, you remain true to your character. You have talked yourself full circle until you have supported the very point you were against in the beginning.

Reserving part of your assets in precious metals is in my opinion among the wisest of financial moves one could make, especially in this day and age. Not only can it be a quality investment when the economy is stable, but it can be liquid if the need arises, and when the economy turns turtle, eventually, when the new currency is established and the economy running on an even keel again, you have an easier means to reestablish your wealth.

I am not saying that stores of other tangibles is a bad thing. Food, munitions, smokes, beer, whatever you may need is a very wise choice. But any money that I will have available will be in precious metals. I hope to do very little trading for goods. Seeing how with a very large garden, and meat animals here on the farm, supplemented by stores of items that we do not raise here, we should need very little in the way of trade goods. Also, in times of economic strife, if we do trade off any of our stores, it will be for gold and silver, or some other form of barter. As we are fairly well prepared, there will be little that we would prefer over the precious metals.

Remember, Every time a country has hit hyperinflation, the government has seized funds from anyone transferring too large of an amount. When the government issues a currency, they do own those notes. When life gets tough, they can easily seize them.

ladybug  posted on  2006-12-30   23:32:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: ladybug (#70)

You may want to consider relocating to one for the above mentioned reasons.

Not really - Survivalist mentality is based on a fantasy that the world will become like the 'Mad Max' movies.

The survivalist approach is just not a practical approach.... You can't head for the hills because everybody else is going to be in the hills.... This is a communal problem that needs a communal approach

In any case I view survivalists like I view the militia movements - dress up fantasists.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-01   1:11:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Destro (#72)

In any case I view survivalists like I view the militia movements - dress up fantasists.

Well, then all I have to say is that I am very glad that I desended from "fantasists" as if they had not been such, they may not have survived the Great Depression, and thus being the case, I would not be in existence to listen to your drivel.

innieway  posted on  2007-01-01   15:00:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: innieway (#75)

Well, then all I have to say is that I am very glad that I desended from "fantasists" as if they had not been such, they may not have survived the Great Depression, and thus being the case, I would not be in existence to listen to your drivel.

There was no militia/survivalist movement during the great depression so what fantasy are you talking about? In fact the last I remember Hoover ordered the army to shoot at the closest thing to a militia movement of that era the so called 'Bonus Marchers'.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-01   19:57:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Destro (#78)

There was no militia/survivalist movement during the great depression so what fantasy are you talking about?

OK schmuck, there you go putting words in peoples mouths again, I don't believe that he mentioned anything about a militia mentality during the great depression.

Yes there are those who are both survivalist and militia type of people, but there can be a survivalist who wants nothing to do with militia (George Gordon perhaps??) and there are people who have the militia mentality yet have no survival instinct. Granted, those with the militia mentality typically are survivalist as well.

Myself, I am a survivalist. I have no desire to go down shooting. On the other hand, if the battle is brought to me, I will defend what is my own and fight along those I love to keep it. This, in my humble opinion, is not a militia mentality, as I do not get off on the idea of having to kill someone, nor am I in any hurry to see it happen. I would far prefer if it never came to that!

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-02   1:34:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: ladybug (#80) (Edited)

OK schmuck, there you go putting words in peoples mouths again, I don't believe that he mentioned anything about a militia mentality during the great depression.

Who knew you knew Yiddish?

Here you are putting words in my mouth - or to be correct words to my fingertips:

I wrote: There was no militia/survivalist movement during the great depression so what fantasy are you talking about?

Since the person above mentioned he was one of those 'fantasists' from the past I enquired which one? Survivalist or militia? That is why that line "/" in "militia/survivalist" implies.

Since the only militia that comes to mind that meets that criteria remotely is the 'Bonus Army' which Hoover busted with force of arms. So since that leaves out the militia what was the survivalist aspect that person was talking about in the 30s?

With that said I consider the militia movements in America as currently comprised and the survivalist movement (Survivalist meaning people going off to live separate from society waiting for the melt down which they will survive with stocked supplies) as wrong headed fantasists.

If you want real world examples of an economic melt down and solutions see what the people of Argentina did - they did not resort to cannibalism like was implied in the 80s Survivalist/Militia movement I grew up around. For some reason the Survivalist literature given to me back in the day always talked about bands of cannibals roaming the country side after the dollar collapsed or a nuclear war went off or Y2K or whatever.

At least they don't talk about the Black Helicopter delusions these days nor the fact that the UN is setting up concentration camps in Alaska for the NWO these days.

I wonder what other delusion has come down the pike to replace the Black Helicopters?

Destro  posted on  2007-01-02   2:25:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Destro (#81)

Who knew you knew Yiddish?

You are the language expert, you should know that schmuck is in the English dictionary and does have English usage. I do believe that we have discussed before that I prefer to use the modern definitions of the English language. Fair is fair, after all, you choose to define words for your own purpose, so I shall be allowed to follow in suit. The main difference is that the definitions that I choose to use are all readily accessible in any English dictionary.

What was the survivalist mentality??? Hmm, let me see here, if trying to figure out how to feed your family is not a survivalist mentality, then I guess I have been incorrect. My mistake is that either you are even more ignorant than I gave you credit for, or those who survived were just lucky. But I am sure that if another "Great Depression" or any comparable event were to hit our society today, the mortality rate would be astonishing. Very few within the cities would have a clue how to feed themselves, and the percentages would only be slightly higher in the country. But according to you, this has nothing to do with survival.

Odd, I did not know that you had to "drop-out" of society to have the mentality and ability to survive if and when the shit hits the fan. Damn, guess I have had it wrong all along. If disaster hit today I would be doomed. Here on the farm we can produce all of our own food, have horses for transportation, and have stores for things that we cannot raise But I am doomed Destro said so, because I am an active member of my community, I AM DOOMED!!!

I guess I had best inform the local business owners that accept silver that it will do them no good to be prepared, because they are active members in our society, They are doomed as well.

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-02   13:42:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: ladybug (#87) (Edited)

But I am doomed Destro said so, because I am an active member of my community, I AM DOOMED!!!

There you go again putting words into my mouth -

Words do have meaning:

Survivalist is a specific type of person/movement - surviving the Great Depression is not being a 'Survivalist'. So stop with the BS.

Secondly, twit - I am against Survivalist mindsets because these Survivalists are not active members of their community - they run away rather than confront.

Where did I write being an active community member leads to your doom? In fact i wrote that being inactive in politics or the affairs of your world is to be an idiot.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-02   15:17:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Destro (#92)

For starters, I would like to apologize for my delayed response. Do to my job, I am often away from home for a couple of days at a time. This is also the reason that there are times where I must reply to several of your posts at once, as I will be doing here.

I was simply trying to show you how ridiculous your statement appeared to the reader.

In your world, maybe every thing can be so narrowly defined. In the real world it is not so. As inniway showed you in his reply to you, survival, survivalism, survivalist, and survive all take root meaning in the ability to survive. No where in any of those definitions did it say anything about running, retreating, or that someone who "survived" the Great Depression was unworthy of the term survivalist.

You, yourself pulled up wikipidia's definition of survivalism which reads as follows:

May I point out that in your own reference "survivalism" include the practice of being prepared for an event, even one such as a natural disaster. I am taking for granted here that we can both agree that a "survivalist" is someone who practices survivalism.

In preparing for a natural disaster, food shortage, and other such events, a survivalist would have no need, and I doubt any desire to "retreat" nor need for a "militia mentality". A survivalist who practices survivalism does not require the readiness nor desire to retreat or kill.

Here is the comment you made that I facetiously replied to in order to illustrate how ridiculously ignorant your posts may seem to the reader, no matter how perfectly they make sense to you: If my only chance of surviving an event is to drop out or retreat, I would far rather become a statistic. In my humble opinion, I believe that there would be a lesser chance of surviving such an event if you respond by leaving shelter and stores of food behind for the sake of running. And lastly, if being a drop-out or a retreater has anything to do with being a survivalist, hence practicing the ability to survive, I must be blind, because I fail the see that they are unfailingly intertwined.

Granted, I do understand, that in your narrow point of view (as Randge stated, looking through a toilet paper tube, calling it a telescope...) that because some survivalists had retreated in the past, and even labeled themselves as retreater's, you are now convinced that the word survivalist shall now be replaced by retreater forever, no argument, and no one else's view is welcome.

I have to beg to differ, many people posses survivalist ability, but some people of this fiber also tend to retreat. Some people of this fiber have a militia mentality. I simply wish to clarify that not all of us plan nor desire to retreat, neither do all of us have the militia mentality. Granted, some of the survivalists have both.

Also here are a few more quotes from you that I would like to address:

There is one form of "retreat" that I condone %100. That is retreat from the system that is wrongfully and unlawful abusing the citizens that have been faithfully following. The longer people blindly slave for our government, the more of our rights that are forfeited.

When you hold a Social (in)Security card, you hold a taxpayer identification number which obliges you to adhere to a tax code that not even law. The system originally began as a voluntary benefit program. Take it or leave it, but if you desire retirement benefits, you sign up, get a card, pay in all your life and then get some benefits back when you are old.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against the idea, I appreciate that the government cares enough to offer assistance in retirement planning. But this program has gotten blown way out of proportion.

The program is still voluntary, you can walk in to any Social Security office and request the form to withdraw yourself from it(or even download it online), and relinquish any and all money that you have paid in, and give up your association to that number.

But thanks to further illegal legislation, if you choose to not participate in this voluntary program, you have a miserable time trying to find work, you cannot obtain a drivers license, you cannot hook up a telephone, internet, or any bank accounts or many other things that you need this number for. Hmmm, does not sound very voluntary to me. Granted, you can still get out of the system, but not without making your life difficult.

Here is where I do condone one form of retreating. If more and more people were to disassociate themselves from this voluntary program (I believe that it may take hundreds of thousands for this to happen,I am not holding my breath), and deal with a few hardships for a while, then the government would eventually see that they cannot continue to keep the country in this daily increasing strangle hold that we are currently in.

Now this is not necessarily retreating from society. It is standing up for your rights in a very noticeable manner and peacefully requiring the government to make legislative changes.

What makes this system an issue for some, is that the Lord describes many times in the statues that he requires his people to live by strict liability. Also the the constitution and the bill of rights both allow for religious free exercise. Essentially, the God expects us to be liable for our own choices, and the government allows for us the worship as we wish, but if we choose to not participate in Social Security our lives become very difficult. This in my opinion, is very conflicting.

But pulling out of the system does not mean that you are a poor citizen, in fact it tends to bring citizens (at least of the local community) closer together. Employers have to appreciate their employees enough to pay cash and lose some of their normal tax deductions, employees work harder in appreciation of the employer paying cash, and knowing the difficulty of finding a job, if paid my check, the employee has to rely on local merchants to cash it for them as they cannot obtain a bank account, also, for private work done, barter becomes far more common, your grocer, bar, or gas station may even accept silver as payment when you do not have cash available.

You can dispute all of the above as much as you wish, but the above situation is not hypothetical. In my local community this is fact. I do know a couple of people that do not participate in Social Security, and it has caused them to become better and more productive citizens, and because they work so much harder and are so much more appreciative of being hired to work, those in the community that are still tied to Social Security and such are much more willing to help these people trade as needed.

As a matter of fact, in the near future, I will be giving up my social security number as well. Unfortunately I do have a few small debts to clear up before this can happen. This is not an easy choice for me. I am a truck driver, and I really enjoy my job, but there is no way I can hold a CDL (or any other class of drivers license) without a Social Security number. I am not delusional, I do not believe that my giving up my SSN will necessarily change legislation, but do to the fact that participating in this program conflicts with what know from the Bible, I can not continue on in good conscience since I have learned that Social Security is a voluntary program.

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-04   20:28:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: ladybug (#121)

There is one form of "retreat" that I condone %100. That is retreat from the system that is wrongfully and unlawful abusing the citizens that have been faithfully following. The longer people blindly slave for our government, the more of our rights that are forfeited.

That is fine - but you can not call that being a good citizen. Which is the point you are avoiding I think.

Take for example this article - you fear fiat money collapse. Instead of organizing to get the govt to follow the will of the majority and back the dollar with gold reserves you all engage in the alternative of hording gold as the alternative.

Instead of trying to change the system you are dropping out of it - already admitting defeat.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-05   9:19:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Destro (#124)

Take for example this article - you fear fiat money collapse. Instead of organizing to get the govt to follow the will of the majority and back the dollar with gold reserves you all engage in the alternative of hording gold as the alternative.

Every time that I purchase silver and willingly exchange my FRN's for it, I am both sending a message and voting for a bimetal backed currency. I personally don't believe that there is any chance that our totally corrupted government will ever return to something like a gold standard, but you are welcome to believe, that for some unexplained reason, the ruling class will suddenly become fiscally responsible and start acting in the interests of the serfs rather than the bankers and Wall Street.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2007-01-05   14:28:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Arete (#127)

I personally don't believe that there is any chance that our totally corrupted government will ever return to something like a gold standard,

Shucks, I guess you must be a bad citizen as well. Maybe we will have to start a support group for all of us bad citizens on the forum. Who knows, if we ask pretty please with sugar on top, Destro may even counsel us on how to be good citizens. :)

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-05   16:56:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: ladybug (#128)

The expression, "They work for us" is one of the biggest lies ever told. We the people, have almost no voice at all in government. Congress is nothing more than organized crime working under the ruse of an officially elected constitutional government. Nothing short of armed rebellion is going to change that.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2007-01-05   17:46:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Arete (#129)

The expression, "They work for us" is one of the biggest lies ever told

I can definitely agree with that. But as far as the armed rebellion, I vote for hitting them in the pocket books first.

As Destro mentioned, peaceful marches on DC are met with some degree of force. Now if you have an armed militia, the government simply labels you some sort of terrorist, extremist, cult or other brand of public nuisance. By pinning this label on you it is open season on the militia, and the sheeple thank the government from saving them from this evil. Then the government can implement more strangle holds on the public, and get a pat on the back for doing so.

IMHO in order to get the governments attention it must be peaceful, yet devastating. Like hitting the pocket books of not only the government, but of banking and insurance people as well. By hitting the funders of major lobbyists we now have what your average Joe cannot even hope to afford, lobbyists being funded for what the people really want and need.

Option number two, in order for an armed rebellion to work, we would need the vast majority of the country armed and on our side, and massive amounts of organization. I do not see this happening any time soon. The government will have to really tromp all over our rights so much that even the sheeple consider believing that this is for our own benefit. Before the government will go that far they will have armies of immigrants (illegal and otherwise) they don't care about the rights of citizens and will fight simply for their own benefit.

Then not even the sheeple will dare stand, as it was the common gutlessness of mainstream America that put us in this boat to begin with.

Don't get me wrong, if I see no other means of fighting the tyranny, I will fight. Hell, if that day comes, I may be among those who lead the rebellion. I despise what this country is coming to because I love what it was meant to be.

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-05   21:07:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: ladybug (#130)

Like hitting the pocket books of not only the government, but of banking and insurance people as well.

That nail is squarely head-hit. Reduce/eliminate debt, pay in cash, invest in tangible assets, buy in-country manufatured products wherever possible. Starving the government of its green blood is the main route of dissent...

Axenolith  posted on  2007-01-15   11:14:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Axenolith, ladybug (#133)

buy in-country manufatured products

Why buy American? Buy foreign made and kill off American manufacturing even quicker - eliminating a revenue base for the Feds. Buy Chinese whenever you can - no quicker way to eliminate the power of America.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   12:09:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Destro, Axenolith (#135) (Edited)

Why buy American? Buy foreign made and kill off American manufacturing even quicker - eliminating a revenue base for the Feds. Buy Chinese whenever you can - no quicker way to eliminate the power of America.

Destro, you are a moron.

What, you would rather bring on the destruction of this country as quick as you can rather than take the high road and work to preserve the country that our founding fathers worked so hard to build??

I can understand that you think that by strangling the supply of money to the Fed. But look at the civil war, the only reason that the North "won" was that they were self reliant. They had enough manufacturing facilities that they could produce what they needed. The South on the other had to purchase the majority of goods they needed to survive. The two means of purchasing these goods were cotton and the money that they had printed for their new Confederate government. Not only was their monetary means insufficient, but the supply lines were easily controlled by the North, this left the South very vulnerable.

If you remove the Americans ability to sustain themselves you weaken the people. As it is, the ability of this country to produce what we use is already greatly impaired. We export on average only one fourth of what we import. Take the shoe industry, the United States only produces 10% of the footwear that American consumers purchase.

If you truly wish to strangle the Fed and strengthen our country, concentrate on an open market. Whenever possible produce your own or go straight to a small business that produces their own. Take shoes for an example again, my standard footwear is cowboy boots. There are many leather workers who are what I call "little guys", buying boots from them will cost more, but also you generally get what you pay for, and these boots last longer. When purchasing from your average "little guy" if you pay cash and tell them that you do not need a receipt they will typically not report that income, hence not pay taxes on it either.

If I am unable to purchase straight from the source, I will buy American anyway, at least this will provide Americans with jobs. In the case of electronics where it is very difficult to buy American, I will buy used.

The amount of foreign products that we consume is also the reason that the North American Union is on the horizon. Transport of these imported goods can be greatly reduced if they can use a Mexican port (eliminating American dock workers) having the Mexican drivers able to drive the Semi's with very little hassle, and not having to obtain a United States CDL (eliminating American Truck Drivers) or loading trains in Mexico (Eliminating American railroad employees) to deliver goods all over the United States and even up to Canada with minimal cost. This would be a crushing blow to the American economy and would cost Americans many jobs.

I am sure that Americans will not give up their foreign goods, nor Wal-Mart (a huge backer of the North American Union, and major importer of foreign goods)therefore that makes these problems inevitable, so here on the farm we work harder to make sure that we have the ability to produce the vast majority of what we consume. We understand that the economy will crash and crash hard. We also understand that it will do little or no good to be evangelistic and try to warn the masses, because the masses have no desire to change. We simply quietly prepare to feed ourselves and those closest to us. We know that the collapse will hit us hard as well, but at least we won't starve and will not have to steal.

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15   16:05:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: ladybug (#136)

You are confused - you want to destroy the Fed govt tax base yet get upset when I bring up the fact taht imports from China are free from Federal taxation/levies unlike American firms who pay taxes and support the federal beast.

If you are for the destruction of the Federalies then I see no better way to destroy the beast by starvation than starving the beast of manufacturing revenues and empowering a nation that can stand up to the USA overseas.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   16:19:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Destro (#140)

You are confused

No Destro, you are the one who is confused.

Have you ever considered that the people who sell these goods still pay income taxes, the employees of these companies still pay Social Security and all the rest. Yet these imports contribute very little to the security and prosperity of the average American.

OH, Yeah, that is right, why in the hell would you care, you don't have to worry about the true welfare of this country because you have a little island that you can run and hide on.

No wonder you demand that survivalists must be retreaters and in your mind (a very small, yet empty space) because retreat is your means of survival, all survivalists must be retreaters.

Good luck from retreating from the NWO schmuck. You can do all you wish to bring my country to its knees, then run and hide, but don't forget, this will be an international issue.

Why do you think that I want to empower the "little guy". What American in their would want another government to forcefully take over our country. Hard working Americans need to take the reins and run our own country, hence these are the people we need to empower!!!

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15   16:31:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: ladybug (#141)

What American in their would want another government to forcefully take over our country.

Only a delusional American thinks the Chinese will invade America - meanwhile America invades everywhere and sends her fleet to China's shores every now and then in a show of force.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   18:56:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Destro (#146)

Only a delusional American thinks the Chinese will invade America - meanwhile America invades everywhere and sends her fleet to China's shores every now and then in a show of force.

A quote from Destro:

and another:

You yourself were advocating buying Chinese in order to empower a nation that can stand up the the USA overseas,

You are nothing but an argumentative, ignorant, narrow-minded schmuck who cannot even stick to your own argument. Once again (I have lost count as to how many time this has happened) you have talked yourself full circle to prove how flawed your own thoughts are.

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15   19:21:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: ladybug, Arete (#148)

So let me get this down right - you advocate starving the beast that is the evil federalist govt but you don't want to starve it too much so they can fight the Chinese and preserve the American Military Industrial Complex by building more weapons to take on the world than any nation does today - including the Chinese who think they are fine with maybe 200 nukes rather than the thousands we Americans have?

Like I said - your ilk - be they 'survivalists' or 'militiamen' or 'freemen' or 'patriot movement' types have a problem with cognitive dissonance.

My Chinese example was just that - an example.

You types advocate resistance by starving the beast of revenue - so I say cut the penny anty stuff - go for the big revenue stream from corporations and support non American industry. That will kill off the Federal beast quicker then living in the woods eating bark.

Destro  posted on  2007-01-15   22:29:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#153. To: Destro (#151)

You types advocate resistance by starving the beast of revenue - so I say cut the penny anty stuff - go for the big revenue stream from corporations and support non American industry. That will kill off the Federal beast quicker then living in the woods eating bark.

A. I do not eat bark, I save that for the goats

B. I do not wish to support ANY industry, I work to either produce it myself, or purchase from a small private business, but if industry is the only means to acquire what I need, then yes, I will buy American ahead of foreign. Of course I stated all of this in an earlier post that you did not have the attention span to read to its full extent.

C. To the best of my knowledge, if there is a group that I may be stereotyped into, I have yet to discover it. I have only met two other people that are truly like myself. When taking into account the population of this country, never mind the world, you can hardly call three people a group.

D. I want to strengthen the American people, not foreign countries, and not our government. This can be done, though it is not easy. I know I have mentioned many times that if more people lived as we do here on the farm there would be massive change. But I have also mentioned just as many times that I know this will not occur, your average American is far to lazy and spineless to live as we do. Nonetheless that does not mean that I will simply bow down and contribute to the problem. I will continue to do what I know to be best. If by some miracle enough American people would begin to implement changes by their actions, I would call it a miracle, as that is what it would be.

ladybug  posted on  2007-01-15 22:59:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: Destro (#151)

including the Chinese who think they are fine with maybe 200 nukes rather than the thousands we Americans have?

No one has to fear a Chinese invasion.

They will simply take up the reins of civilization after the west becomes one big dust-heap.

Diana  posted on  2007-01-16 07:28:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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